| ochosi | ali1234: oh, hmm, so it's all fine for you? strange. i guess i have to test whether the docker container makes any difference | 00:17 |
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| ali1234 | it seems to be | 00:18 |
| ochosi | i mean functionally autohide and intelli-hide work as they should | 00:18 |
| ochosi | it just seemed like there were unwanted flickers | 00:18 |
| ochosi | caused by too many signals that made the panel hide/show more often than needed | 00:19 |
| ali1234 | its possible | 00:19 |
| ochosi | did you hover the mouse over the top 3px when opening the menu? | 00:20 |
| ali1234 | no? | 00:20 |
| ochosi | cause then the mouse stays on the autohide-window and triggers another hide/show | 00:20 |
| ochosi | anyway, i'll try to write down clearer reproducing instructions tomorrow | 00:20 |
| ali1234 | okay i see | 00:21 |
| ali1234 | i can reproduce that - but it seems to be because the window open right under the mouse | 00:21 |
| ali1234 | something like this | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | 1. mouse enters autohide window, triggering unhide | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | 2. panel appears | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | 3. autohide window disappears - at this point the mouse leaves the autohide window because the autohide window moved, triggering a hide event | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | 4. panel gets hidden | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | 5. autohide window moved back under the mouse | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | 6. mouse is now in the autohide window triggering unhide | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | repeat... | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | if i click on the menu and then close it without moving the mouse the panel appears and reappears 3 times | 00:24 |
| ali1234 | but yeah, i'd look carefully at the mouse input events | 00:25 |
| ochosi | yeah | 00:29 |
| ochosi | just not sure how to solve that or why it worked in gtk2 | 00:29 |
| ali1234 | signal order changed probably | 00:37 |
| ali1234 | i'd verify that input events get disabled on the autohide window as soon as its state changes | 00:37 |
| ali1234 | and before its position changes | 00:37 |
| bluesabre | Seems like the lp build bots are stuck | 02:58 |
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| subhadip | Hi. I am a developer and I want to make myself useful in the Xubuntu development. Although I have gone through the articles mentioned on the website, I would like if somebody present here could talk about it or give me a pointer to begin with. Thanks. | 15:45 |
| genii | subhadip: It's a slow week, but if you idle in here something will eventually happen :) | 16:31 |
| subhadip | genii: I hope so :) | 16:35 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Part of the use of the upgrade tool is to remove packages as well, I'm fairly certain we're going to want to add a few to that this time around. Keeping in mind that config won't override user config though. | 18:46 |
| Unit193 | Eg, we may not want to remove voluemd+-sound as pa-plug wouldn't get automatically added to the panel, -application, but mate/gnome switch is fine. | 18:49 |
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| ochosi | subh: hi, what would you like to work on? | 21:56 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: makes sense. We also have some migration scripts that we may need to poke to update the keyboard shortcuts and whatnot | 22:32 |
| ochosi | hey bluesabre | 22:32 |
| Unit193 | :3 | 22:33 |
| bluesabre | hey ochosi | 22:33 |
| bluesabre | hey Unit193 | 22:33 |
| Unit193 | Hellos. | 22:33 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: regarding the pa-plugin, what do you wanna do regarding flocculant's suggestions for the menu? | 22:33 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: was planning on just trying a few different layout options and see what we like | 22:33 |
| bluesabre | obviously somewhat limited with using a popup menu | 22:35 |
| ochosi | yup | 22:36 |
| ochosi | i would also try not to overload it | 22:36 |
| bluesabre | Yup | 22:36 |
| ochosi | so having all of this in one row seems a little excessive: | 22:36 |
| ochosi | [ icon | volumescale | switch | submenu> ] | 22:37 |
| bluesabre | I thought I might replace the current volume indicator icons with just a generic input/output device icon on the device selection above | 22:37 |
| ochosi | if there is such an icon in "the icon themes" then why not | 22:37 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 22:38 |
| ochosi | it's probably not what people are used to seeing there... | 22:38 |
| ochosi | but it could work ok | 22:38 |
| bluesabre | Yeah | 22:38 |
| bluesabre | Current version feels unbalanced | 22:38 |
| bluesabre | Volume indicator on a different row from the slider also feels wrong | 22:38 |
| bluesabre | So thought that would be the next experiment | 22:38 |
| ochosi | another suggestion is to go back to a larger icon with rowspan=2 | 22:40 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 22:41 |
| ochosi | also, i think with the scale next to the icon it's little superfluous to have the icon update according to the volume state (apart from muted) | 22:41 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 22:41 |
| ochosi | the scale tells you much more nicely what the actual state is | 22:42 |
| bluesabre | except it doesn't convey muted at all | 22:42 |
| bluesabre | But the switch is right next to it | 22:42 |
| bluesabre | So thats fine | 22:42 |
| bluesabre | The icon gives the clearest indication of the current state | 22:43 |
| bluesabre | Another option is to move the scale row to the top and have the options below (if more than 1) | 22:44 |
| bluesabre | The icon identifies whether it is in or out and current state | 22:44 |
| bluesabre | The rest is just extra | 22:44 |
| ochosi | the scale could convey muted, but then you would have to set it to insensitive | 22:45 |
| ochosi | which would be a feature loss imo | 22:45 |
| bluesabre | Yup | 22:45 |
| ochosi | because it's nice to be able to control what volume you "unmute" to | 22:45 |
| bluesabre | I like adjusting volume before unmuting | 22:45 |
| ochosi | maybe moving the output below the scale would work better | 22:47 |
| bluesabre | Yeah | 22:47 |
| ochosi | than the bold text could also be dropped | 22:47 |
| ochosi | because it wouldn't be a headline anymore | 22:47 |
| bluesabre | Sounds like an improvement | 22:47 |
| ochosi | would make it more readable | 22:47 |
| ochosi | and the volume icon would just be a boolean | 22:48 |
| bluesabre | Might even be necessary since I'm going to add device channels at some point | 22:48 |
| ochosi | i still like the idea of having the icon itself used as "mute" button, but it's not discoverable enough | 22:48 |
| bluesabre | It might be | 22:54 |
| bluesabre | More things for me to play with | 22:54 |
| ochosi | regarding the xubuntu cycle, do you really wanna work on pidgin? | 22:55 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: only if I find that the patch doesn't take days to work out | 22:55 |
| ochosi | just because it's on our blueprint yet again | 22:55 |
| ochosi | (i'd personally like it because i like the theme and it was some work too) | 22:56 |
| bluesabre | Yup | 22:56 |
| bluesabre | I'd like to have it | 22:56 |
| bluesabre | More things to show off | 22:56 |
| bluesabre | Also saw | 22:56 |
| bluesabre | [xubuntu-dev] thunar: Provide more default custom actions (printing, convert to pdf): TODO | 22:56 |
| bluesabre | I think you added this? | 22:56 |
| ochosi | yeah | 22:56 |
| ochosi | the printing can be done for images and especially pdfs with lpr | 22:57 |
| ochosi | very simple one | 22:57 |
| ochosi | if we want libreoffice support too, it'd have to be a bash-script so we can handle both | 22:57 |
| ochosi | and convert to pdf would work for .docx, .ods via libreoffice too | 22:58 |
| ochosi | for everything else we *could* use imagemagick, but it's probably too heavy to ship on our default image just for that | 22:58 |
| ochosi | (at least i think we don't ship it currently) | 22:58 |
| ochosi | i just felt thinking about some custom actions wouldn't hurt | 22:59 |
| ochosi | and those two i have on every laptop of mine, so i thought i'd propose them | 22:59 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: sounds handy | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | want to submit a MP or bug report with those? | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | We'll need translations for those, so getting them in earlier would be better | 23:05 |
| ochosi | yeah, the lpr one is almost done | 23:07 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: want to get some fresh packaging together for [xubuntu-dev] elementary-xfce: Split packaging for distribution improvements: TODO ? We could land it in Xubuntu first and propose it to debian | 23:07 |
| ochosi | still lacking the "patterns" prat | 23:08 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Who'd be maintaining it in Debian? And could try and assist. | 23:09 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: probably us, elementary-xfce could go into pkg-xfce | 23:10 |
| ochosi | iirc we discussed adding all kinds of distro logos and handling symlinking to distributor-logo via the packaging | 23:13 |
| ochosi | then there would be no split packaging needed | 23:14 |
| ochosi | or did you have anything else in mind? | 23:14 |
| bluesabre | basically, it's packaged now as "xubuntu-icon-theme" in Ubuntu | 23:15 |
| bluesabre | it could be "elementary-xfce" and "xubuntu-icon-theme" could be a branded version that just provides the alt distributor-logo to the elementary-xfce themes | 23:16 |
| bluesabre | or smth | 23:16 |
| bluesabre | Gives more flexibility to flavors and our downstreams that we don't want using our logo | 23:17 |
| ochosi | right, the flavors argument makes sense | 23:17 |
| ochosi | i think pasi already prepped everything in the icon theme | 23:18 |
| bluesabre | and general availability in more than *buntu means more users and maybe more contributors | 23:18 |
| bluesabre | He did | 23:18 |
| bluesabre | Just need a packaging poke | 23:18 |
| ochosi | so be aware of that for the next upload | 23:18 |
| ochosi | indeed | 23:18 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: I'll probably take a look at libreoffice soon and send you some missing icon notes | 23:21 |
| ochosi | ah right, that too | 23:22 |
| ochosi | the save as icon is fairly prominent... | 23:22 |
| bluesabre | :) | 23:23 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: need anything else from me? | 23:27 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Oh, and general poke about all your Debian packages. :P | 23:27 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: indeed, need to refresh those | 23:28 |
| bluesabre | everything was easier when I could just svn-inject my updates | 23:28 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: well more patches would be nice ;) | 23:28 |
| Unit193 | gbp is soooo much easier. | 23:28 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: sure thing, I'll start submitting more PRs when I can get away with symlinks or other people's work | 23:29 |
| bluesabre | you probably don't want my icon handiwork | 23:29 |
| Unit193 | And you usually keep me far away from all things artwork and design too. :( | 23:30 |
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| ochosi | symlinks should hopefully do a lot of the jobs | 23:31 |
| ochosi | i totally forgot how ridonculous the LO icon themes were... | 23:36 |
| bluesabre | :D | 23:37 |
| ochosi | pfff | 23:39 |
| ochosi | they added savemodified_extralarge.png | 23:39 |
| ochosi | used to be just "savemodified_large.png" | 23:39 |
| genii | I'm still waiting for all icons to be svg | 23:40 |
| bluesabre | ochosi, glad you're quick to find them though | 23:40 |
| ochosi | well... | 23:40 |
| ochosi | genii: the icons in my theme are svg | 23:40 |
| ochosi | they're just png-ified for LO | 23:40 |
| bluesabre | we should try to get these all fixed by Dec/Jan, LibreOffice 6 is due then, I believe | 23:40 |
| * genii pats ochosi on the back for good work | 23:41 | |
| bluesabre | aha | 23:41 |
| bluesabre | Week 51 , Dec 18, 2017 - Dec 24, 2017 Libreoffice 6 UI freeze | 23:42 |
| bluesabre | https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/6.0 | 23:42 |
| * bluesabre appreciates having ochosi around | 23:43 | |
| ochosi | crap, i have no idea anymore how pull requests against LO work with their gerrit :'( | 23:45 |
| ochosi | anyway, time to sleep | 23:45 |
| ochosi | (downside of having this merged to upstream) | 23:45 |
| bluesabre | nighty ochosi | 23:46 |
| Unit193 | Could be worse, could be what KDE is using. :P | 23:46 |
| ochosi | sucks also that Sweetshark was sacked by canonical, so no help from the desktop team anymore... | 23:48 |
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