[06:36] <didrocks> good morning
[07:08] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:16] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[07:21] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks! Martin va mieux?
[07:28] <didrocks> oSoMoN: bof, 39.8°C cette nuit, mais au moins, ça descend avec le doliprane. 38.4 ce matin
[07:28] <didrocks> et réveillé très tôt
[07:52] <pitti> didrocks: bonojour ! uh, bon rétablissement pour le petit Martin !
[08:18] <didrocks> bonjour pitti, merci ! :)
[08:53] <willcooke> morning
[08:56] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:57] <oSoMoN> good morning willcooke
[09:03] <Laney> ello
[09:05] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:05] <seb128> hey willcooke oSoMoN Laney
[09:05] <seb128> re didrocks
[09:06] <willcooke> o/
[09:06] <seb128> how is everyone today?
[09:06] <willcooke> giving thanks
[09:06]  * Laney waits for the thanks
[09:06] <seb128> oh, right, that day
[09:06] <Laney> hey seb128!!!
[09:06] <willcooke> "The day before black Friday Day"
[09:07] <seb128> don't expect the frenchs to buy into english-speaking-people traditions :p
[09:07] <willcooke> :))
[09:07]  * Laney has been to the physio this morning
[09:07] <Laney> LAME
[09:07] <seb128> your shoulder still?
[09:08] <Laney> problems reoccured
[09:09] <didrocks> :/
[09:10] <Laney> getting a surgical opinion!
[09:10] <Laney> https://giphy.com/gifs/turk-t5WU6eFWmwwla
[09:13] <willcooke> good luck Laney
[09:13] <Laney> thx
[09:14] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[09:14] <Laney> they might not be able to offer anything, but worth seeing I guess
[09:14] <Laney> :'( hope I can still climb :'(
[09:14] <Laney> anyway
[09:14] <Laney> how's it going for everybody else?
[09:14] <pitti> bonjour seb128 et Laney !
[09:15] <pitti> between broken RHEL infra and sucking Chrome debug protocol, pretty well actually :) basketball was fun last night, the good kind of sore muscles today :)
[09:15] <seb128> salut pitti, comment ça va ?
[09:15] <pitti> Laney: ouch, shoulder sounds awful; sports? or the lack thereof?
[09:16] <pitti> seb128: ça va bien, merci ! et toi ?
[09:17] <oSoMoN> not too bad here. The black Friday thing is getting big around here too, collective consumer craziness…
[09:17] <Laney> hey pitti
[09:17] <Laney> still doing chrome stuff?
[09:18] <Laney> pitti: yeah I dislocated it a couple of times while climbing :(
[09:18] <pitti> Laney: yeah, still trying to ditch PhantomJS
[09:18] <pitti> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/cockpit/logs/pull-8069-20171122-232121-f56c5a77-verify-fedora-27/backup.U76MqO/log.html#152
[09:18] <seb128> pitti, I think I'm starting to get the babyflu but good otherwise!
[09:18] <pitti> 153 down, 12 to go!
[09:19] <seb128> I don't get that black friday thing
[09:20] <seb128> are the special offers on that day so much better than regular discounts and such you can find during the year?
[09:20] <Laney> was hearing on the radio that they're often fake discounts
[09:20] <Laney> like raise the price earlier in November compared to before
[09:20] <Laney> then you can claim a bigger % discount
[09:21] <Laney> the guy's advice was to wait until late in December to buy stuff
[09:21] <willcooke> uk.camelcamelcamel.com is your friend (for Amazon stuff anyway)
[09:22] <willcooke> But yeah, the "special" prices are very ordinary when you look at the history over the year
[09:22] <Laney> ya that's a good one
[09:23]  * didrocks might buy a ps4
[09:23]  * willcooke too
[09:23] <willcooke> I want the VR headset
[09:23] <willcooke> but $$$$$$
[09:24] <seb128> didrocks, one for 30€? ;)
[09:25] <didrocks> seb128: ahah, I wish I was quick enough, and I wish they would honored the command despite their mistake :p
[09:25] <seb128> :p
[09:25] <didrocks> which it seems they won't :p
[09:25] <didrocks> scandalous!
[09:25] <seb128> right
[09:25] <seb128> they said they would give a 10€ voucher
[09:25] <seb128> lame!
[09:25] <didrocks> after raising the PS4 pro price by 10€ ;)
[09:26] <jamesh> willcooke: there's a new version of the PSVR coming out shortly, which is why there's lots of deals for the current version
[09:26] <didrocks> willcooke: still waiting for a killer VR game, not convinced yet
[09:26] <didrocks> but I have the whole PS4 game catalog backlog to play first ;)
[09:26] <willcooke> jamesh, oooooh!!! Nice tip, thanks
[09:27] <seb128> pitti, since you are around I'm going to try my chance and ask if you know about systemd-resolved issues under captive portal (bug #1727237), one of the comment state that the captive portal dns doesn't get added, unsure if that's true/the issue/is a n-m pb... just asking in case you have an idea of know if it's a known issue
[09:27] <willcooke> Could it be related to:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1624320 as well?
[09:28] <tjaalton> i have a similar bug on xenial.. wife can't connect to her outlook account because of dns issues
[09:28] <seb128> xenial doesn't use systemd-resolved though
[09:29] <tjaalton> ok, something fishy still
[09:30] <seb128> yeah, I guess it needs debugging, difficult to say like that
[09:34] <oSoMoN> seb128, I've prepared a new libreoffice upload, need your sponsoring: https://people.canonical.com/~osomon/libreoffice-5.4.3/
[09:35] <seb128> oSoMoN, how is that ppu application going? :p
[09:36] <seb128> just kidding, let me have a look and do it now so I don't get busy on other things and delay as I did a couple of times
[09:37] <seb128> nice to see that the previous one migrated, it means they sort out some of the transitions!
[09:39] <Laney> yeah the migration of hell went in
[09:39] <seb128> well done to those involved!
[09:41] <oSoMoN> seb128, thanks! let me get a few more sponsored uploads under my belt before I start thinking of PPU ;)
[09:44] <oSoMoN> jamesh, would you mind commenting on https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/call-for-testing-libreoffice-5-4-3/2935/2 ? should snaps see fonts in ~/.fonts ?
[09:44] <seb128> oSoMoN, uploads done :)
[09:50] <jamesh> oSoMoN: sure.
[09:50] <seb128> hey jamesh! how are you?
[09:50] <oSoMoN> seb128, jamesh: thanks!
[09:50] <seb128> oSoMoN, np
[09:51] <jamesh> oSoMoN: as an initial guess, the sandbox can probably read the fonts but doesn't see them due to $HOME being changed
[09:52] <jamesh> seb128: good.  Learning how to put together some spread tests for some of the snapd PRs I've been working on
[09:53] <jamesh> seb128: and looking forward to the charity bike ride on Sunday
[09:54] <seb128> jamesh, what are the snaps/desktop improvement coming? I liked to read about this in your summary in the meeting but you missed a few ones recently I think
[09:55] <seb128> I saw you updated the user mounts one, is that the main thing atm?
[09:55] <jamesh> seb128: yeah.  The user-mounts one is infrastructure to support xdg-document-portal
[09:57] <jamesh> seb128: once I've got that sorted, I plan to add portal access to the desktop interface.  Combined with a patched xdg-desktop-portal, we should be able to support functional desktop apps without access to the user's full home dir
[09:58] <seb128> nice
[10:06] <jamesh> oSoMoN: I think the fonts thing can be fixed in the snapcraft-desktop-helpers part
[13:52] <alexarnaud> Hello all :) !
[13:54] <alexarnaud> Trevinho: I'm in the process to translate Compiz a11y modules into French. How can I give new the updated translation ?
[13:55] <alexarnaud> There is this bug about translation : https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1722732
[13:55] <alexarnaud> Do you want a code merge request until the Lauchpad translation module works ?
[14:26] <Saviq> hey all, any idea why I wouldn't be able to switch to vt3..vt9? vt1 is gdm, vt2 is my session, and trying to switch to any other with Ctrl+Alt+F3..F9 just results in input being gone, but I can still see my vt2 session...
[15:36] <willcooke> Saviq, humm, I think we saw that somewhere else...
[15:36] <willcooke> didrocks, do you remember hearing about that one? ^ (vts not switching properly)
[15:37] <didrocks> didn't hear about that one, normally systemd is spawing them on demand
[16:07] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, how are you?
[16:08] <seb128> cyphermox, is there a chance you could have a look to
[16:08] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1727237 .
[16:08] <seb128> ?
[16:13] <cyphermox> sure, I'll have a look
[16:52] <Saviq> didrocks: doesn't seem like that's the problem http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26029015/
[16:52] <Saviq> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26029017/
[16:52] <didrocks> waow, interesting… that the services are spawn…
[16:53] <Saviq> didrocks: maybe I was going through Ctrl+Alt+F* and that triggered them?
[16:53]  * Saviq reboots
[16:56] <didrocks> Saviq: yes, that triggers them AFAIK, but it should as well create the logind session
[16:57] <Saviq> didrocks: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26029054/
[16:59] <didrocks> are you kidding?
[16:59] <didrocks> you edited it
[16:59] <didrocks> no? ;)
[16:59]  * didrocks is puzzled
[17:00] <didrocks> I don't know enough of gdm, I think robert_ancell looked more into it
[17:00] <Saviq> didrocks: nopes
[17:00] <didrocks> but it's weird that your previous login didn't get that
[17:01] <didrocks> you really expect gdm to spawn the first session on tty2
[17:01] <didrocks> then tty3, and so on…
[17:01] <didrocks> do you have anything lightdm related still installed on your system?
[17:01] <didrocks> I wonder if there a service listening to account-manager events and stepping up
[17:07] <Saviq> didrocks: this is from fresh boot http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26029101/
[17:08] <Saviq> I do have lightdm installed still
[17:08] <Saviq> but it's not running
[17:08] <didrocks> ok, you have agetty running, this is all fine on my side but I didn't touch this systemd part for 3 years at least, I think this is something that xnox_ would follow more than I do as he's touching systemd quite a lot
[17:09] <Saviq> sure, you're the victim is all since you replied ;)
[17:09] <Saviq> I'll wait for some others you pung to weigh in a bit
[17:09] <didrocks> why did I do that while I'm having in-depth conversation on #gnome-design? ;)
[17:09] <didrocks> good luck!
[17:10] <xnox> didrocks, i was not in the channel in my irc client, but i got a push notification.
[17:10] <xnox> didrocks, somehow.
[17:10] <xnox> didrocks, i have no idea what the context is, something something systemd something something?
[17:11] <didrocks> why have you enabled such things? :)
[17:11] <didrocks> Saviq: ^
[17:11] <xnox> didrocks, to stalk people.
[17:11] <didrocks> xnox: context is: //pastebin.ubuntu.com/26029101/
[17:11] <didrocks> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26029101/
[17:11] <xnox> didrocks, znc-push plugin in the znc bouncer
[17:11] <didrocks> crazy ;)
[17:12] <xnox> Saviq, ok, what is your emergency?
[17:13] <xnox> Saviq, the pastebin looks fine; gdm on tty1, logged in user on tty2, first regular getty console available is tty3. Welcome to the new world order, where login manager is not on tty7
[17:13] <xnox> Saviq, thus you need ctrl-alt-f3 to get a getty terminal....
[17:13] <didrocks> xnox: you missed the "[17:13] <xnox> instead of like ctrl-alt-f1
[17:13] <didrocks> "
[17:13] <didrocks> no input
[17:13] <Saviq> xnox: yeah, ctrl+alt+f1 just moves input to vt3
[17:13] <didrocks> or logging prompt
[17:13] <xnox> ah
[17:13] <Saviq> but not graphics
[17:13] <xnox> halarious
[17:13] <Saviq> I still see my vt2 session
[17:14] <xnox> that would be session management bullshit
[17:14] <xnox> i hate that my hangouts audio is killed when moving to like tty3 and back.
[17:14] <xnox> Saviq, can you do $ ubuntu-bug systemd -> and go from there?
[17:14] <Saviq> sure
[17:14] <xnox> Saviq, i'm not sure how session stuff works, but it does smell broken.
[17:15] <xnox> Saviq, also comment things like if you are using wayland or x in session; in gdm; if you have rebooted since upgrading your system; etc.
[17:15] <xnox> Saviq, if there is something funky about the laptop....
[17:16] <xnox> possibly need a dump from loginctl / udevadm to see if the devices are tagged with the right active seat and "move" appropriately with ctl-alt-f toggles....
[17:20] <Saviq> xnox: bug #1734160
[17:21] <Saviq> I could run `apport-collect` over ssh after Ctrl+Alt+F3 if that may shed a light
[18:01] <cyphermox> seb128: so, nothing jumps out in the DNS bug; and I'm not anywhere close to a captive portal to do some more digging (which is what I think will be the only way to figure it out); it will have to wait until tomorrow or next week
[18:04] <Laney> got to dash for a gig
[18:04] <Laney> laters!
[19:21] <yetoo> Does Ubuntu 18.04 Bionic currently use the new gnome layout or is it regular?
[19:21] <yetoo> Because I'm finding that I'm still seeing regular gnome even though my gnome-session package is gone.
[20:49] <seb128> cyphermox, k, well you took the time to have a look so thanks for that!
[20:49] <seb128> yetoo, hey, what do you call "new gnome layout"?
[23:52] <jbicha> robert_ancell: hi, snapd-glib is now in Debian and synced to Ubuntu. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/snapd-glib
[23:53] <jbicha> are you interested in becoming a Debian Maintainer?