[01:00] <bluesabre> flocculant, ochosi, this seems like an improvement https://i.imgur.com/cXWUI52.png
[01:02] <bluesabre> options moved below, only shown if more than 1 device found, no longer bold, no longer including device type
[01:09] <bluesabre> Unit193: thoughts?
[01:10] <Unit193> Hi.
[01:10] <bluesabre> Howdy.
[01:11] <Unit193> I'm fairly sure I'm not the best to ask.
[01:11] <bluesabre> :D
[01:11] <Unit193> Perhaps it's good?
[01:13] <Unit193> (I plan on upgrading to ayatana-indicator-sound.)
[01:13] <bluesabre> Alrighty
[01:14] <Unit193> No offence meant. :3
[01:15] <bluesabre> None taken. Just more work to do to convert you ;)
[01:16] <Unit193> Based on the planned UI, I'm not too keen.  The function of the play/pause/etc is a bit finicky still, ayatana looks a bit better, and I can't stand switches (which I gather others like, soo..)
[01:16] <Unit193> I'm willing to test of course, mind.
[01:36] <subh> ochosi: Hi, thanks for replying. Sorry I fell asleep. I know a bit python, not so good with c++. But I am good at learning new stuffs. So can you tell me if I can work on anything with my current skillset or do I need to acquire anything new to be able to contribute to anything to start with?
[01:36] <Unit193> bluesabre's applications tend to be python, Xfce is in C.
[01:36] <Unit193> (ochosi is the artwork guy, bluesabre is head of dev, I'm all around noise maker.)
[01:37] <bluesabre> gtk-theme-config is in vala
[01:37] <bluesabre> We have a few different options available :)
[01:42] <bluesabre> subh: We usually recommend just starting by looking around at bug reports or digging into things that are broken and annoy you
[01:42] <bluesabre> The best way to get started is to be selfish :)
[01:43] <Unit193> We should create a list of low hanging fruit.
[01:44] <subh> bluesabre: I understand. But it can still be a lot for somebody who's just starting. 
[01:44] <subh> Had I asked you to give me something to start with, would you have anything in mind?
[01:45] <bluesabre> subh: maybe take a look at https://launchpad.net/sgt-launcher, it has a pretty simple code base and shows off some standard GTK+ python conventions
[01:47] <bluesabre> subh: otherwise, things that probably have some bugs in order of complexity ascending: lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings (https://launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings), mugshot (https://launchpad.net/mugshot), catfish (https://launchpad.net/catfish-search), and menulibre (https://launchpad.net/menulibre)
[01:48] <bluesabre> I wish I'd already identified some easy to tackle bugs, but if I did, they'd be tackled :)
[01:51] <subh> bluesabre: I understand your point :) I will go through those projects and try to pick up unresolved bugs. And I might ask you if I need any help. Thanks again.
[01:52] <bluesabre> Sure thing, thanks subh!
[06:03] <flocculant> bluesabre: mmm - my 'issue' though is that it just looks like it's hanging there without the icon
[06:15] <krytarik> With regards to the Custom Actions discussion earlier tonight, I should probably mention that we indeed have imagemagick on the images currently anyway, pulled in as a recommend of cups-filters.
[07:24] <ochosi> bluesabre: indeed, that feels better!
[11:04] <bluesabre> flocculant: it looks a bit better with greybird where the separator line is visible, https://i.imgur.com/ywkoKcx.png
[11:14] <bluesabre> (looks like ochosi still needs to make the 100% tick visible in greybird)
[15:55] <knome> that subh* guy needs to be around more ;)
[15:55] <knome> slickymaster, around?
[15:55] <knome> apparently not
[15:59] <knome> what is atril's menu item name?
[15:59] <knome> is it "Document Viewer" or not?
[15:59] <knome> flexiondotorg, ^
[16:00] <knome> i guess i could also look it up but feeling lazy
[16:01] <bluesabre> knome: "Atril Document Viewer" it seems
[16:01] <knome> right
[16:01] <knome> cheerio
[16:02] <bluesabre> :)
[16:03] <bluesabre> flocculant: I added multimedia key support to pa-plug... currently in git
[16:11] <knome> https://code.launchpad.net/~knome/xubuntu-docs/bionic-mate-apps-migration
[16:12] <knome> a docs branch ready to be merged if/once we decide to do the migration for good
[16:19] <knome> pleia2, flyer is updated with the new logo... though the content is still the same :)
[16:19] <knome> we need to update at least the screenshot
[16:20] <knome> ochosi, what do you think if we actually moved onto one single plymouth background from 18.04?
[16:20] <knome> ochosi, eg. not a blurred version of the wallpaper, but something that was specifically "designed" for this?
[16:21] <knome> i guess everybody else as well ^
[16:24] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-docs:: [bionic-mate-apps-migration] r641 Prepare the change to MATE apps.... (by Pasi Lallinaho)
[16:24] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-docs:: [bionic-mate-apps-migration] r642 Update changelog... (by Pasi Lallinaho)
[16:28] <knome> pleia2, i made some notes about updating the flyer here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-b-marketing
[16:29] <knome> slickymaster, ^
[16:48] <knome> bbl
[16:48] <knome> subh, hello, and welcome ;)
[16:49] <knome> subh, i've read you want to get involved with xubuntu before and just wanted to say hello before i leave... and say that feel free to ask any questions about anything related to xubuntu in this channel, regardless if people (you know) are around or not - we will eventually reply
[16:49] <knome> but now, off to do sth completely different
[16:49] <knome> o/
[16:59] <pleia2> knome: ok thanks, I'll have a look :)
[17:03] <subh> knome: Thanks! Will do. :)
[17:50] <flocculant> bluesabre: if I had multimedia keys on the kbd I would test it ... sorry this time ;)
[17:52] <flocculant> bluesabre: re plugin - I'm not seeing anything in that imgur screeny that stops it - in fact the same thing can be seen at the bottom where Audio mixer ... random white space at the left
[17:54] <pleia2> knome: made some edits to the description to add some of my flyer ideas, it's time to add social media links! ;)
[18:59] <knome> pleia2, yeah... and do we really want to keep with the 3-fold? :)
[18:59] <pleia2> yeah, it's a thing
[18:59] <knome> haha
[18:59] <knome> ok
[18:59] <knome> i suggest 6-fold then
[19:00] <knome> because it's obviously two times better!
[19:00] <pleia2> trollol
[19:00] <knome> and it can fit the amount of content we can realistically maintain (:
[19:00] <pleia2> what would you suggest instead?
[19:00] <knome> (that was as much pointed to myself than anybody else)
[19:00] <knome> well, maybe 2-fold
[19:00] <knome> it's also easier to do for most people
[19:00] <pleia2> like a card?
[19:01] <knome> yeah, it could be like a card
[19:01] <knome> and with that thought, i think it could be smaller too
[19:01] <pleia2> yeah
[19:01] <pleia2> the current one has too many words
[19:01] <knome> like half of the current total paper space
[19:01]  * pleia2 nods
[19:02] <knome> so A6 for the page size, meaning an A5 folded once
[19:02] <knome> eg. two flyers per paper
[19:02] <knome> we'll of course always have the "old" layout too, so we can still peruse that in case we have a special event or sth coming up
[19:03] <knome> there's quite a lot in the current flyer we can drop without too much pain
[19:03] <pleia2> I'll have to look into what makes sense for professional printing
[19:03] <knome> like the "asides", the debian, xfce stuff
[19:03] <pleia2> currently a 3-panel one is a thing places do, not sure about 1 per letter page
[19:03] <pleia2> s/1/2
[19:03] <knome> usually it's the standard sizes, so A5 is just as good as A4 for example
[19:04] <knome> right, professional printing meaning small print shops that print the stuff for you "live"
[19:04] <knome> yeah, but even if they only did one sheet, it's relatively easy to cut it into half
[19:04] <knome> so even if they don't offer that...
[19:04] <knome> i mean ultimately we could even look into a yet smaller one
[19:04] <pleia2> yeah, but with vistaprint they even folded the 3 panel ones for me, that was spiffy :)
[19:05] <knome> yeah
[19:05] <knome> like a postcard-card
[19:05] <pleia2> I think a post card size we're getting into different terratory, not much of a flyer anymore
[19:05] <knome> that's something completely different from a flyer, but it can serve the same purpose in a better way
[19:05] <knome> sure, but then again we can point people to our website more
[19:05] <knome> which is easier to maintain
[19:06] <knome> and then the printed stuff doesn't get outdated so fast
[19:06] <knome> but yes, i realize these are two different things
[19:06] <knome> which one would you rather pick up from a convention/event?
[19:06] <knome> a 3-fold US letter sized thing or a postcard?
[19:07] <pleia2> idk :)
[19:07] <flexiondotorg> knome: Saw the earlier ping about Atril naming. 
[19:07] <knome> the postcard could even be designed as a postcard... like the address field etc. ready
[19:07] <pleia2> that would be cute
[19:07] <knome> flexiondotorg, we figured it out, it's "Atril Document Viewer", right?
[19:07] <knome> yep
[19:07] <flexiondotorg> There is a simple way for me to address this for Xubuntu. 
[19:07] <knome> flexiondotorg, the question was simply for our documentation purposes
[19:07] <flexiondotorg> If you want to drop the Atril prefix. 
[19:07] <knome> nah, it's fine :)
[19:07] <flexiondotorg> OK
[19:08] <knome> pleia2, so then a nice image on the "front" and some preprinted text on the back of the card
[19:08] <knome> plus probably some space for a customized message (or even autograph :P)
[19:08] <knome> and then the usual postcard stuff
[19:09] <knome> i can draft this relatively quickly if we want to investigate it
[19:10] <knome> "The only ISO 216 size in the post card range is A6."
[19:10] <knome> which is not a problem, but actually a good thing, because one size only, right? :P
[19:10] <pleia2> maybe something to explore separate from the flyer :)
[19:10] <knome> sure
[19:10] <knome> i would still propose to migrate away from the 3-fold
[19:10] <pleia2> yeah it should be fine, probably want postcards printed on cardstock so printing at home is less likely
[19:10] <knome> but if you want to keep that... i'll live with it
[19:11] <knome> yep
[19:12] <knome> hmm, well, it seems vistaprint for example doesn't want A6, but tbh, it's easy enough to do one design and then just cut the borders from the smaller one
[19:12] <pleia2> yeah
[19:13] <knome> or even do two very similar designs
[19:13] <pleia2> so the only reason I'd stick with the 3-panel is because we've already figured out sizing and stuff, we can just put in more pictures if we want it to be less tl;dr
[19:13] <knome> lol
[19:13] <knome> wfm
[19:13] <knome> and yes, we probably want to do that
[19:13] <knome> want a pad in which to figure out the text?
[19:14] <pleia2> sure
[19:14] <knome> will put the text in here: http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-1804-flyer
[19:19] <knome> i just started editing there, removing text i want to delete (eg. not striking through)
[19:20] <pleia2> ok
[19:21] <knome> because blah
[19:21] <pleia2> I need to get ready for family things momentarily
[19:21] <knome> sure, np
[19:21] <knome> hf :)
[19:21] <pleia2> thanks :)
[19:34] <subh> \quit
[19:36] <knome> i'm starting to think about the scribus alternative again...
[20:16] <ochosi> knome: re: plymouth yeah sounds sensible
[20:16] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, i still need to make that tick visible...
[20:19] <ochosi> woohoo, managed to create a LO pull request \o/ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/45175/
[20:39] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, the marks below the scale in pulseaudio plugin are now visible with Greybird