[09:06] <CyberManifest> I'm not sure if I'm in the right place, but I was trying to use: "Ubuntu Kernel Update Utility (Ukuu) v17.2.3) to update to the latest Kernel that was released a few hours ago: "4.14.2" and it wasn't present. I was wondering if you guys were aware of the release of 4.14.2 and if it would soon be available in the Ubuntu repositories ?
[09:25] <apw> CyberManifest, those are the mainline test builds i assume
[09:26] <CyberManifest> apw, mainline stable builds
[09:26] <apw> CyberManifest, mainline test builds is what they are ... as i build them :)
[09:26] <CyberManifest> apw: https://www.kernel.org/
[09:27] <CyberManifest> ^ listed as stable
[09:27] <apw> they are stable kernel branch tags yes, but the builds are simply test builds to confirm they are buildablwe
[09:28] <CyberManifest> apw: for how long?
[09:28] <apw> for how long what ?
[09:31] <apw> CyberManifest, anyhow apparenly the test-build is building at the moment
[09:32] <CyberManifest> apw, cool guess that answers my question; I was wondering how long they are in "test-build" before releasing to "stable"
[09:33] <apw> CyberManifest, no i think you have gotten wholey the wrong end of the stick
[09:33] <apw> CyberManifest, upstream is releasing stable kernels, those are tested before release and released when they deam they are stable
[09:33] <apw> CyberManifest, automation here notices those and schedules test-builds of those for ubuntu so we know they are viable to
[09:34] <apw> CyberManifest, apply as stable updates and the like, and for use in bisection
[09:34] <apw> CyberManifest, from our perspective they are never anything other than test-builds, we never evaluate them for use and bless them
[09:35] <apw> CyberManifest, for a start they do not include any ubuntu patches so they are not guarenteed to be compatible with ubuntu userspace even
[09:36] <apw> CyberManifest, so that v4.14.2 was tagged at 07:37 UTC and was picked up for building at the 08:30 UTC scan, so things are going pretty snappy
[09:37] <CyberManifest> apw, first, I'm a user, coming from a Microsoft world, so I don't know what "upstream" is. Second, you're telling me they aren't ever considered "stable" by Ubuntu's standards? I'm so confused, all I'm really interested in knowing is when will Linux kernel 4.14.2 be available in/on Ubuntu Kernel Update Utility (Ukuu) ?  
[09:38] <apw> CyberManifest, you would want to ask the person who writes that (who isn't the Ubuntu kernel team), but assuming it is waiting for the test-build to complete, i'd say another hour
[09:39] <CyberManifest> apw, the app Fetches list of kernels from kernel.ubuntu.com
[09:40] <CyberManifest> when does kernel.ubuntu.com get propagated ?
[09:40] <apw> CyberManifest, yes, from the Mainline "Crack" Test Builds repository, not from anywhere officially supported
[09:40] <apw> CyberManifest, the current test-build will hit that in about an hour by my estimation of watching the log of it building wizzing by
[09:41] <CyberManifest> apw: what does "Mainline "Crack" Test Builds repository" mean? I'm using Linux Mint by the way.
[09:41] <apw> CyberManifest, it is pulling them from the repository which has the following as its offical description: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[09:41] <CyberManifest> Linux Latitude-E6230 4.14.1-041401-generic #201711210430 SMP Tue Nov 21 09:32:36 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[09:42] <apw> CyberManifest, we call them crack builds, from an affectionate term for people wanting the latest every single morning, rather than something that has been validated
[09:42] <apw> CyberManifest, they are affectionatly know as the 'crack-of-the-day' builds
[09:43] <CyberManifest> apw, does that mean there will be more stable branch releases in the 4.14 series?
[09:43] <CyberManifest> perhaps I should revert back to 4.10 ?
[09:45] <apw> CyberManifest, there are usulally 5 or 6 in each series minimum, as greg supports those until the 
[09:45] <apw> next mainline kernel comes out v4.15 in this case
[09:46] <apw> CyberManifest, i always recommend running official kernels, but then i produce them
[09:46] <apw> (where "i" is our team not me)
[09:47] <CyberManifest> apw but won't the newer *crack* kernels have better security there have been a lot of exploit activity lately
[09:52] <apw> CyberManifest, that is difficult to be sure about, any truly urgent fix will be applied to official kernels first
[09:52] <apw> CyberManifest, before they are even published in upstream stable
[09:53] <CyberManifest> apw, ok, I think I understand
[09:53] <CyberManifest> apw: thank you for the information and help
[09:53] <apw> np
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