[00:33] <io_elephant> I am on ubuntu 17.04 and looking at /etc/network/interfaces, how come my wireless network is not there? it is working fine, but i am trying to change the dns server it uses. all articles point to going to /etc/network/interfaces, adding it there and restarting networking service, but i dont have an entry for my wireless there
[00:36] <doke> quit
[00:36] <doke> oops
[00:47] <nrdb> hi I am having trouble running skype... anyone know what to do?
[00:51] <donofrio> even though windows folks say that they do not see this as a microcode update so patch has to come from hardware vendor?
[00:51] <donofrio> do we get new microcode today for thankgiving? https://apaste.info/K4cn - https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/27150 ;(
[01:06] <benbro> Ansible Vault can encrypt sensitive files and let you decrypt them in memory only when used to setup a server
[01:07] <benbro> is there a general tool I can use without Ansible?
[01:10] <element> How would I group where clauses together? I need to do (detail_type = available && detail_value = 1) && (detail_type = price_updated_at && detail_value != curdate() )
[01:10] <element> sorry wrong channel.
[01:19] <okdana> what's the procedure to request some activity on a package that hasn't been updated in a few releases? do i just file a bug against it?
[01:20] <okdana> the maintainer is just listed as ubuntu developers
[01:25] <kaosine> idk might want to ask on the forums if no one answers here...I've never messed with that and not sure how many have. (I have the annoying luck of finding guides with outdated methods or packages such as wine changing things last year apparently...)
[01:43] <okdana> i went for the bug report, seems there's a tag for it
[01:43] <okdana> thanks anyway
[01:45] <The_Wraith> Hi. One of my systems is running ubuntu-14.4 and I cant upgrade atm, but I need opensc to be the current git version. How can I do it, so that apt is aware and keeping track of dependencies etc, when I install the git version from source?
[01:55] <superherointj> I've just installed Ubuntu 17.10. And the power button of my computer doesn't work. It opens a Dialog that says it is going to do something in 60s. That is not what I want. I just wanted it to power down I press the power button. How can I fix this?
[01:58] <ponyrider> superherointj: edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf?
[02:00] <Bashing-om> superherointj: My system the action of the power button is a bios setting .
[02:00] <superherointj> When I press power button it goes to stand by mode.
[02:00] <superherointj> I need it to really power down.
[02:02] <ponyrider> superherointj: check that file...
[02:02] <superherointj> ponyrider, In /etc/systemd/logind.conf I've changed HandlePowerKey=poweroff ... and it doesn't work!
[02:03] <superherointj> By pressing the power down button the computer hibernates (or goes stand by mode).
[02:03] <ponyrider> superherointj: you have to: $ systemctl restart systemd-logind.service >> BEWARE, WILL LOG YOU OUT
[02:03] <superherointj> I have rebooted the machine after changing that.
[02:06] <superherointj> Is it expected of Ubuntu 17.10 to screw up the power button so it is no longer the power button?
[02:07] <superherointj> I've also tried this command you suggested and it did reboot but the power button problem persists.
[02:08] <ponyrider> superherointj: do you have fastboot enabled in the bios? perhaps that
[02:08] <ponyrider> although.. strange
[02:09] <superherointj> I've googled and I see many people having same issue: https://askubuntu.com/questions/967098/shutdown-power-off-button-does-always-go-to-suspend-on-17-10
[02:09] <superherointj> https://appuals.com/how-to-shutdown-ubuntu-with-the-pc-power-button/
[02:09] <superherointj> But that solution doesn't seem 'right'.
[02:11] <ponyrider> superherointj: what happens when you $ shutdown -h now?
[02:12] <superherointj> It powers off for real.
[02:12] <superherointj> https://askubuntu.com/questions/968070/after-upgrade-to-ubuntu-17-10-suspend-restart-and-power-off-does-not-work
[02:14] <superherointj> Just tried disabling wayland and didn't work.
[02:18] <superherointj> Ubuntu is quite broken lately.
[02:18] <superherointj> I give up for today. Thanks for the help.
[02:24] <cuddlesquid> hello, https://askubuntu.com/questions/790745/connected-to-wifi-but-no-internet
[02:25] <cuddlesquid> having this very exact issue, ubuntu installed along side windows 7, after booting into windows 7, resolving dns or similar wont work once booted into ubuntu
[02:25] <cuddlesquid> any way around this?
[02:27] <Doc-Saintly> I think my remote display (vino) got messed up when changing from unity to gnome. Is there an easy way to completely remove it, install it fresh, and enable remote connection?
[02:28] <ponyrider> cuddlesquid: ip addr
[02:29] <cuddlesquid> ill have to reboot into ubuntu :/
[02:29] <cuddlesquid> ponyrider should i run that command?
[02:29] <ponyrider> yes
[02:30] <cuddlesquid> oki ill try
[02:30] <cuddlesquid> thank you ponyrider
[02:30] <ponyrider> but im not fini..
[02:31] <kaosine> you shoudl know by now if you're used to irc that's going to happen
[02:32] <kaosine> people think 5 minutes is long enough, this isn't like you're chatting with people paid to support anf fix issues that fix it fast like that
[02:41] <snkcld> how can i disable update-initramfs from compressing my initrd?
[03:00] <nrdb> is there an easy way to double check that my CPU can take a 64bit OS
[03:07] <kaosine> nrdb: I'd see if what you're on will tell you. I know windows has a place in system info to tell you but not sure about anytihng else tbh
[03:34] <theboxtheory> any1 know a good ppa manager ? y ppa manager seems broken, it will launch but it wont do anything when i click the options
[03:41] <snkcld> anyone know where i would put "Disable=Headset" with the new version of bluez?
[03:42] <rosvi> Besides Gnome Disks and Gparted, are there other graphical partitioning tools? Preferably GTK3?
[03:43] <Bashing-om> nrdb: ' grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo ' If you see "lm" in red, it's 64 bits. Otherwise it's 32 bits. It's a flag for "long mode", meaning it's 64 bit capable .
[04:10] <pankaj_> Sometimes I want to open an application in X window with terminal but I do not know the name of application that can open it. What to do then?
[04:23] <pepinardo> mmm
[04:23] <pepinardo> hello
[04:24] <jaime_miro> can we install java jdk -9 along Open jdk on Ubuntu 16.04?
[04:25] <pepinardo> I think it replaces it
[04:26] <jaime_miro> Well I wanna install Jdk 9 by removing openjdk, but getting too much of errors
[04:26] <nrdb> Bashing-om, thanks for the help
[04:27] <jaime_miro> sometimes dpkg get unlocked
[04:27] <jaime_miro> sometimes the archives doesn't lock
[04:27] <Bashing-om> nrdb: We try and help :)
[04:29] <nrdb> Bashing-om, now all I have to is backup everything -- and install a 64bit OS, I must have made a mistake a long time back, its running 32bit atm
[04:31] <donofrio> how do I install server and then install all that xfce4 provides what packages needed for full workstation gui?
[04:32] <nrdb> donofrio, there should be a xfce-desktop meta package
[04:32] <donofrio> and that is al l I need to install server and poof its a workable workstation?
[04:33] <nrdb> donofrio, I haven't done it myself I found . "xfce4 - Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment"
[04:35] <nrdb> donofrio, I have done similar with other desktops.
[04:36] <donofrio> I'm reloading my ibook g4 ;)
[04:36] <donofrio> I broke the system when I changed source.list to zeaty....lol
[04:37] <pepinardo> this machine is an IBM NetVista from 1998
[04:37] <nrdb> donofrio, I need to re-install myself
[04:37] <pepinardo> running ubuntu 10
[04:38] <nrdb> pepinardo, that is an old machine ... and I thought mine was old
[04:40] <donofrio> it looks like I'm stuck with 16.04 it seems....anyone have a 17.04 powerpc repo?
[04:44] <pepinardo> 16.04 is a good one :)
[04:44] <pepinardo> also, 17.04 is not a LTS release :c
[04:47] <Toadisattva> not too long till 18.04
[04:51] <nrdb> do the powerpc version only happen with the lts releases?
[04:52] <donofrio> they are being stopped after 17.04 I thought....sadness but it might even be 16.04 last
[04:54] <donofrio> I've got two g5's upstairs, are they elppc64? does that mean power8 and higher?
[05:00] <donofrio> pulling down 16.04.3 powerpc iso now....the fun begins
[05:01] <pepinardo> you can later try with arch linux too...
[06:47] <shalok> Why does the Ubuntu installation default to creating misaligned partitions?
[06:48] <shalok> Most drives use 4k blocks but the Ubuntu installer only aligns to 512 bytes resulting in needlessly reduced performance.
[07:01] <xtron> I've added a new-user in ubuntu... so if I delete that user "del-user" will it also delete the data of that account or not?
[07:21] <EriC^> xtron: "man deluser" By  default,  deluser  will  remove  the user without removing the home       directory,the mail spool  or any other files on the  system  owned  by       the  user.
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^
[07:22] <EriC^> hey lotuspsychje
[07:29] <rosvi> I accidentaly deleted about 200gb worth of data. Stopped using the partition at once, gonna run photorec but it needs somewhere else to put it and I don't have a 200gb partition available. Could I somehow pool together all the unused space across all HDs to make one big virtual one for the backup?
[07:30] <Triffid_Hunter> rosvi: sure, make image files with dd and feed them to lvm through losetup or something perhaps
[07:32] <rosvi> Triffid_Hunter: one small complication is that I can't reboot. Can I make an lvm logical partition like that on the fly?
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> rosvi: whatever you do, dont use the same HD for recover data
[07:32] <Triffid_Hunter> rosvi: of course, this is linux :P
[07:32] <rosvi> lotuspsychje: it's safely unmounted and untouched since the rm -rf fiasco
[07:33] <rosvi> Triffid_Hunter: Will look into it, thanks!
[07:33] <Triffid_Hunter> rosvi: only time we actually need to reboot is if the hardware gets into a weird state that the kernel can't deal with
[08:12] <liefer> Can i see the default config files for ubuntu 17.10? Im an idiot who changed /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf without taking a backup of them first
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> liefer: # interfaces(5) file used by ifup(8) and ifdown(8)
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> auto lo
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> iface lo inet loopback
[08:23] <liefer> thank you, but i seem to have a bridge interface, virbr0, that i forget how was configured
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> liefer: https://hastebin.com/buruyedayi.ini networkmanager.conf
[08:24] <liefer> awesome, thank you!
[08:27] <ducasse> liefer: virbr0 is set up automagically by libvirt
[08:28] <liefer> ducasse, yeah... i decided to mess with it and now im not sure what its defaults were :S
[08:31] <ducasse> right. not sure how/where that's set up, tbh - i always just create my own...
[08:44] <adac> is it possible to connect to more then one VPN server with the network manager?
[08:45] <J3089TE> how do I configure a single app e.g. ktorrent to use the openvpn connection and rest over my normal connection?
[08:55] <ducasse> J3089TE: see bottom answer - https://superuser.com/questions/294008/use-vpn-connection-only-for-selected-applications#644130
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> !vpn | adac
[09:08] <adac> lotuspsychje, thanks!
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> adac: https://askubuntu.com/questions/190899/is-it-possible-to-connect-to-multiple-vpn-networks-at-once-via-network-manager
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> answer3 looks usefull
[09:11] <adac> lotuspsychje, ok I see thanks. Seems to be a limitiation for now
[09:11] <adac> :/
[09:12] <MJCD2> hey I cant get virtualbox shares to show up
[09:12] <MJCD2> appears to be all configured, mount -a gives no errors
[09:12] <MJCD2> but its not where I set it to inside the vm
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> MJCD2: perhaps the #vbox guys might know that one
[09:13] <MJCD2> yeah I dont actually think its a vbox issue because there's just like 3 buttons in vbox
[09:13] <MJCD2> haha
[09:13] <MJCD2> I select an existing local path
[09:13] <MJCD2> set the mount path to /home/user/thing
[09:13] <MJCD2> start vm
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> MJCD2: you might idle here and wait, until someone can help
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> MJCD2: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[09:14] <MJCD2> 16.04
[09:14] <rly> In Plasma, the plasma audio applet shows a red speaker, presumably suggesting that it doesn't work (no volume controls are available either). What can I do about that?
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> MJCD2: did you doublecheck these: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/SharedFolders
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> !sound | rly try all these steps plz
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> MJCD2: big thread here also: https://askubuntu.com/questions/161759/how-to-access-a-shared-folder-in-virtualbox
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> rly: is this what you experience? https://neanderslob.com/2016/04/21/kubuntu-16-04-gui-audio-controls-not-working/
[09:19] <rly> lotuspsychje: from the title yes, let me look
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> rly: if its a config issue, you can also go test your guest account
[09:20] <rly> lotuspsychje: there isn't a lot of intelligence there, though.
[09:21] <rly> lotuspsychje: and this shows just that backwards compatibility is not taken seriously.
[09:21] <rly> lotuspsychje: deleting ~/.config is *crazy*.
[09:21] <rly> lotuspsychje: imagine a random user doing that without understand its consequences.
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> rly: i didnt say you have to delete, i asked if thats what your experience
[09:22] <rly> lotuspsychje: I am not blaming you.
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> rly: testing things is the key to success
[09:23] <rly> lotuspsychje: I have little doubt that it would work.
[09:23] <rly> lotuspsychje: thing is, that it will take an hour to get to the bottom of this and this is known for over a year.
[09:23] <lotuspsychje> rly: check your guest account first to see if its a config issue or not?
[09:23] <ducasse> rly: has sound ever worked under ubuntu at all?
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> rly: system up to date also?
[09:24] <rly> lotuspsychje: it isn't a "config issue"; it's an issue where the programmers of Kubuntu created broken software.
[09:24] <rly> lotuspsychje: if an old configuration was valid, after an upgrade that same configuration should still work.
[09:24] <rly> lotuspsychje: everyone in the commercial software development business understands this.
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> rly: if you find a bug, you are free to share it
[09:25] <rly> lotuspsychje: I am sure the author of the plasma-pa package knows what is causing this.
[09:25] <rly> lotuspsychje: it's just that apparently he wants to have further motivation to fix what he has broken.
[09:25] <ducasse> rly: please stay on topic. there's really no use complaining to us - we're only support volunteers, here to help.
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> rly: help the community and do a few tests
[09:26] <rly> ducasse: the problem is that there is no culture of assigning blame to someone when mistakes have been made. There is no consequence for making a mistake.
[09:26] <rly> ducasse: within such a culture there is no need to ever improve.
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> rly: what you call a mistake, can be just a bug..that happens on any Os
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> and bugs are there to solve things
[09:27] <rly> lotuspsychje: it's a LTS system.
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> so?
[09:27] <rly> lotuspsychje: it's supposed to be the most stable available.
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> rly: that doesnt mean LTS cant have a bug?
[09:27] <rly> lotuspsychje: stability should imply more than just not changing things.
[09:27] <rly> lotuspsychje: sound applets worked in Windows 95.
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> ok listen, this goes the wrong way
[09:28] <rly> lotuspsychje: at some point you need to draw the line as to what is reasonable for what should work and should not.
[09:28] <rly> lotuspsychje: there is no reasonable way to argue that it should ever be the case that an audio applet breaks after an upgrade of a LTS system.
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> rly: do you want to do something about your issue or not?
[09:29] <rly> lotuspsychje: yes, I want to make it clear that this is something your "volunteers" should fix with an upgrade.
[09:29] <rly> lotuspsychje: I shouldn't be expected to debug this.
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> lol..we are volunteers, not the owners of your system
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> rly: im sure alot of kubuntu users have audio working fine
[09:30] <rly> lotuspsychje: my audio works fine.
[09:30] <rly> lotuspsychje: it's just the applet which doesn't.
[09:30] <Ben64> so figure out the problem, report the bug
[09:30] <Ben64> ranting here does nothing
[09:31] <rly> Ben64: I reported around 50 bugs. Probably 45 are still open.
[09:31] <Ben64> so you already know how to do it
[09:31] <rly> Ben64: if I had any belief that reporting a bug would result in a fix, I would surely report a bug.
[09:32] <rly> Ben64: all I see are people arguing for two years after which the issue is then closed by some automated system.
[09:32] <Ben64> well you have a 10% success rate for reporting bugs, and 0% chance complaining here will work so... probably go with reporting bugs
[09:33] <rly> Ben64: nah, I will just get rid of Ubuntu once I have the time for that. I already moved the rest of my systems.
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> rly: reporting a bug succesfully, also means testing things out yourself
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> rly: so the devs dont have to guess whats happening to your system
[09:33] <Ben64> moving from ubuntu won't fix kde bugs
[09:33] <rly> Ben64: actually, it would.
[09:34] <Ben64> nope
[09:34] <rly> Ben64: I would be able to roll back to a previous version after an upgrade.
[09:34] <rly> Ben64: I could just report the issue and then wait until it is fixed.
[09:34] <rly> Ben64: zero time lost.
[09:34] <Ben64> so the same things you can do on ubuntu, neat
[09:34] <rly> Ben64: with Ubuntu it is pray and hope that an upgrade works. Downgrades are certainly unsupported.
[09:35] <rly> Ben64: how do you suppose downgrading works in Ubuntu?
[09:35] <Ben64> you can install an older version of a package
[09:35] <rly> Ben64: it's the whole system, not just a single package.
[09:35] <Ben64> the bug is in a package, not the whole system
[09:35] <rly> Ben64: to know which specific package it is, I would have to actually debug things again, which costs time.
[09:35] <rly> Ben64: sure, in this case.
[09:36] <Ben64> in every case
[09:36] <rly> Ben64: and even that is not clear.
[09:36] <rly> Ben64: no
[09:36] <xflacko> hello, while trying to boot a clean install of lubuntu 16.04.0 LTS with amdgpu-pro-16.60-379184 drivers installed the boot seems to hang/stop at the following message: [drm] Cannot find any crtc or sizes - going 1024x768
[09:36] <rly> Ben64: a bug could be in any of thousands of packages.
[09:36] <xflacko> i tried googling solutions but to no avail
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> xflacko: upgrade to 16.04.3 first plz
[09:36] <rly> Ben64: that is the difference between 14.04 and 16.04.
[09:36] <rly> Ben64: the Ubuntu model is to have users waste their time.
[09:36] <Ben64> rly: you're not making sense
[09:36] <rly> Ben64: no, you are just not very intelligent.
[09:36] <xflacko> lotuspsychje i kind of require kernel 4.4.0
[09:36] <xflacko> which is why i went with 16.04.0
[09:37] <Ben64> rly: but i can see this is going nowhere so if you've got a support question, you can ask it, otherwise this channel doesn't seem to be for you
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> !usn | xflacko check here why
[09:37] <rly> Ben64: sure
[09:38] <xcom169> hello all
[09:38] <xcom169> anybody here?
[09:40] <rly> xcom169: a bunch of bots that deny problems are here.
[09:40] <xflacko> rly lol
[09:41] <rly> xflacko: I will tell SETI when I find intelligent life her.e
[09:42] <rly> "Ubuntu Community Appreciation Day" lol. Are you serious?
[09:43] <rly> I will happily celebrate your party when you ship a release that has zero problems during an upgrade.
[09:43] <hateball> !ot | rly
[09:55] <dbrownns>   /quit
[10:03] <xflacko> hello, while trying to boot a clean install of lubuntu 16.04.3 LTS with amdgpu-pro-16.60-379184 drivers installed the boot seems to hang/stop at the following message: [drm] Cannot find any crtc or sizes - going 1024x768
[10:04] <xflacko> (this is when my amd gpu is connected to the pci)
[10:29] <tsukiyomi> Hi :) tracker-extract/tracker store seem to be eating up my CPU even while idling. Why is this happening?
[10:43] <absurdist> garbage in the database?
[10:45] <tsukiyomi> absurdist: which database ?
[10:46] <mr_lou> Listing capabilities of my Blu-ray burner (with lshw), I'm given a list like: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram.
[10:46] <mr_lou> For some reason I don't see "bd-r bd-re" and such, which probably explains why I suddenly can't burn Blu-rays anymore. It used to work just fine, but suddenly no more.
[10:46] <absurdist> tracker miner db
[10:47] <mr_lou> Does anyone have any ideas what I can do to put bd-r and bd-re back on the capabilities list of my Blu-ray burner? Thanks.
[10:47] <tsukiyomi> absurdist: I'm not sure, it happened rather suddendly. It`s been going on since yesterday
[10:49] <frostschutz> mr_lou, exact brand / model number? and are you really sure about this? there are bluray drives that can write dvd but not bluray (essentially bluray readers, dvd writers).
[10:50] <mr_lou> frostschutz, Well it's been working fine for years.
[10:50] <mr_lou> frostschutz, It was an Asus drive. Took it out and into a Windows machine instead, where it works fine. Then bought another drive for myself from LG, which does the same. Pretty sure it has to do with some Ubuntu update recently.
[10:51] <mr_lou> frostschutz, Model number for the LG one is BH16NS55.A
[10:54] <frostschutz> mr_lou, do you have full lshw output? what's the drive connected to? for example asm1061 chipset that many boards have for additional sata slot, doesn't support optical drives well. but that's just a guess ...
[10:55] <absurdist> just kill the process
[10:56] <mr_lou> frostschutz, All I know is that it's sata. I can paste full lshw output. And if it didn't support optical drive, then why has it worked fine for years? I've burned many blu-ray discs. (Been working on a Blu-ray project for the past 5 tears, and burned many test copies. Now I'm done with the project and need to make the final copies, and then the burner doesn't work).
[10:56] <mr_lou> frostschutz, I also tried switching to another SATA wire.
[10:57] <mr_lou> frostschutz, You want all of the lshw output, or just the one for the cdrom entry?
[10:59] <mr_lou> frostschutz, https://pastebin.com/F4fdzMLg
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:02] <frostschutz> mr_lou, okay, simple answer: lshw doesn't even support detecting bd- capabilities, so it's normal for lshw to not report them
[11:03] <frostschutz> just checked lshw source ;)
[11:04] <frostschutz> mr_lou, or at least that's what it looks like here https://ezix.org/src/pkg/lshw/src/master/src/core/cdrom.cc line 74-100
[11:04] <mr_lou> frostschutz, Oh, ok. Hm... well... any ideas then why I suddenly can't burn Blu-rays anymore? It will burn CD and DVD fine. It also reads Blu-rays fine. And remember it used to be able to burn Blu-rays just fine. Why suddenly no more?
[11:05] <mr_lou> Anything I can do?
[11:05] <frostschutz> mr_lou, which software are you using?
[11:06] <mr_lou> frostschutz, Ubuntu 16.04....   been using ImgBurn with Wine (because no burner apps on Linux lets me create UDF 2.5 which I need, but ImgBurn does).
[11:07] <mr_lou> frostschutz, Currently, ImgBurn just says "No devices deteched"..  but it's not a Wine problem I think. Because if I try burning a Blu-ray ISO (24 gb) with growisofs, it tells me it's too big to fit on a DVD. In other words, it simply can't see that it's a Blu-ray burner.
[11:07] <frostschutz> not sure if writing bluray with wine can work at all
[11:07] <mr_lou> frostschutz, As I said, it works. I have burned many many Blu-ray discs this way.
[11:08] <mr_lou> frostschutz, I've created this: 8bitMemoirs.com - a Blu-ray eBook. Tested on many different hardware players. Burned on Ubuntu with ImgBurn. It works. Just all of the sudden my burner no longer wants to let me burn Blu-rays.
[11:10] <mr_lou> frostschutz, But Wine suddenlyt can't detect the drive anymore, and UBuntu doesn't recohnize it as a Blu-ray burner.
[11:12] <mr_lou> frostschutz, There's also the app called "cd-drive" which can list capabilities. That one also leaves out BD-R and BD-RE etc.
[11:12] <mr_lou> frostschutz, I don't know if these were included before though. There was no need to check since everything worked fine.
[11:14] <mr_lou> frostschutz, Is there any way I can go back to a previous kernel?
[11:14] <frostschutz> mr_lou, give cdrecord a whirl ( https://launchpad.net/~brandonsnider/+archive/ubuntu/cdrtools ) would be interesting to know what that has to say about the drive
[11:15] <mr_lou> frostschutz, My cdrecord currently points to wodim, which isn't recommended to use for Blu-ray
[11:17] <mr_lou> Gonna experiment booting with an older kernel if I can figure that out.
[11:18] <mr_lou> bbl
[11:18] <uusr> in vim, setting ':set hlsearch' doesn't take effect for highlight search. What additional setting is required?
[11:23] <Ben64> uusr: works here
[11:33] <mr_lou> frostschutz, As suspected. Booting with Linux 4.4.0-43 gives me the drive back in ImgBurn.
[11:34] <mr_lou> (But my mouse disappeared).
[11:34] <mr_lou> Gonna try with -98 now.
[11:42] <mr_lou> frostschutz, Ok, so my Blu-ray drive is there when booting kernel 4.4.0-43, but not with 4.4.0-98 and not with 4.4.0-101
[11:42] <mr_lou> frostschutz, So.... a kernel issue, right?
[11:43] <mr_lou> Obviously I'll just have to boot 4.4.0-43 then. Just have to figure out why my mouse is gone then, and how to get it back. Internet is also gone when booting 4.4.0-43...  :-/
[11:53] <grauzikas> Hello, i`m trying to reconfigure ubuntu 14.04 network interfaces and service network restart doesnt works
[12:11] <uusr> Ben64: but it doesn't work on my ubuntu 16.04 LTS.
[12:24] <Ben64> uusr: well it's something you're not doing properly then
[12:25] <uusr> Ben64: where can I check related setting that might go wrong?
[12:25] <uusr> I don't change anything in fact after installation.
[12:34] <Exterminador> hello guys. I'm having a few problems running my oidentd server. it seems to reply with the proper ident with znc but not working with other clients (such as TheLounge). is this the right place to ask?
[12:46] <doge-doge> hey guys, any reports of some live youtube streams not loading in firefox 57?
[12:49] <oerheks> doge-doge, works fine here, what ubuntu version exactly?
[12:49] <doge-doge> 16.04
[12:50] <oerheks> oke, so not wayland/17.10
[12:50] <doge-doge> funny thing is that some live feeds work like france24, but not sky news
[12:51] <doge-doge> regular videos not affected, only livestreams
[12:51] <xflacko> hello, while trying to boot a clean install of lubuntu 16.04.3 LTS with amdgpu-pro-16.60-379184 drivers installed the boot seems to hang/stop at the following message: [drm] Cannot find any crtc or sizes - going 1024x768 (this is when my amd gpu is connected to the pci)
[12:52] <doge-doge> oh btw, they all load in Chromium, so it's gotta be a firefox issue. Or an extension issue.
[12:58] <oerheks> doge-doge, indeed, if i play fox live, there is an error..
[12:58] <oerheks> odd..
[13:03] <mr_lou> Ok, whatever changes were made from linux-image-4.4.0-97 to linux-image-4.4.0-98, it has messed up Ubuntus ability to detect a Blu-ray burner. <-- frostschutz
[13:04] <mr_lou> Now all I need is to figure out why my internet is gone when I boot 4.4.0-97....  :-/    Ubuntu won't even go online through my phone.
[13:05] <frostschutz> mr_lou, sorry, it seems I'm unable to help you there :-/ good luck with everything
[13:05] <mr_lou> Thanks. :-)
[13:05] <mr_lou> At least I got my drive back.
[13:06] <mr_lou> That was important, since I need to make a bunch of copies soon.
[13:13] <tomreyn> xflacko: i haven't actually tried amdgpu-pro, just the open drivers with RX 580, which I'm quite happy with. do you have a specific use for -pro?
[13:14] <tomreyn> * use case
[13:46] <Lavinho> good afternoon
[14:06] <digcloud> I installed ubuntu 17.10 and the desktop has a top bar that I want to trade for a regular tray.
[14:06] <digcloud> It says "Activities" on the right and sometimes shows an application menu sort of thing. On the right it shows wifi and sound controlers.
[14:07] <ezra-s> digcloud: it's called gnome-shell
[14:07] <digcloud> The problem is that there are a lot of things that would normally show up in a tray that don't show up on this new bar
[14:07] <ezra-s> digcloud: the only way you can change its behaviour that I know of is through extensions
[14:07] <ezra-s> extensions.gnome.org perhaps
[14:08] <digcloud> @ezra-s is there some way to just go back to an old bar that has a tray
[14:08] <digcloud> ?
[14:08] <ezra-s> digcloud: the icon tray is "obsolete" according to gnome devs
[14:08] <ezra-s> digcloud: if there is, probably only through extensions, I don't know more, sorry
[14:08] <kostkon> digcloud, what tray icons are you missing
[14:08] <digcloud> ezra-s: I'm not sure if it is, but some applications like parcellite settings only shows up as a tray icon
[14:09] <ezra-s> digcloud: IIRC ubuntu has something like the topicon plus extensions for the icon tray
[14:09] <digcloud> I have to switch to cinammon desktop to interact with certain settings
[14:09] <ezra-s> digcloud: yes, I know, I have a few too, I installed topicon plus extension for that
[14:09] <ezra-s> at work I use debian though, so I haven't dug that issue enough with ubuntu at home
[14:10] <kostkon> digcloud, you need to find a clipboard manager that works in gnome shell
[14:10] <digcloud> kostkon: do you have any recommendations?
[14:11] <kostkon> digcloud, not really, but there are a few you could try
[14:18] <digcloud> ezra-s: topicon worked for my parcellite settings. Thank you
[14:32] <ezra-s> digcloud: glad
[14:34] <ezra-s> ubuntu tried to get rid of icon tray and failed, now gnome-shell devs, it will take some time for them to realize many day to day applications still use them and force everyone to stop using this method is not precisely ideal.
[14:41] <arup_r> What command I should use to find highest size files in the current directory rexursively?
[14:43] <joadr_> hello
[14:44] <hateball> arup_r: find
[14:45] <arup_r> what  other options I should use with it?
[14:45] <joadr_> I've changed my keyboard layout to spanish.. the thing is that the whole layout changes correctly except for the key to the left of the Z, in english you have the key that inputs \| and in spanish we have <>, the thing is that the whole keyboard changes except that one and I dont have a way of writing those keys
[14:49] <arup_r> ok got some ref
[14:56] <hegemoOn> how can i get a key by wget from keyserver.ubuntu.com knowing it's id ?
[14:57] <ezra-s> joadr_: in Settings - Region & Language which input sources do you have?
[14:57] <hegemoOn> i cannot find it using the gpg key id
[15:00] <hegemoOn> any help ?
[15:01] <hateball> !patience | hegemoOn
[15:01] <joadr_> ezra-s: english (US, International with dead keys) and Spanish
[15:03] <joadr_> ezra-s: found out what the issue was... It's weird because all I needed was to move the spanish to the top of the list. Even If I choose the language, that key keept being english but not the rest... now that I moved Spanish to the top, It works
[15:04] <joadr_> thanks anyway :)
[15:08] <ezra-s> joadr_: :)
[15:33] <erealz> sup
[15:34] <mr_lou> Hm...  so signing up at launchpad is the only way of sending a bug report?
[15:35] <tomreyn> mr_lou: you can submit a bug using the "ubuntu-bug" command on ubuntu, no launchpad account required
[15:36] <brainwash> tomreyn: it won't open the launchpad site and ask for a login?
[15:37] <tomreyn> brainwash: no
[15:37] <tomreyn> brainwash: actually yes, sorry :)
[15:37] <tomreyn> i hadnt done it in a while
[15:38] <tomreyn> okay that sucks
[15:38] <nicomachus> it's awful.
[15:38] <nicomachus> I get why it's needed, but it makes less bug reports get submitted.
[15:38] <brainwash> why that? makes sense to me
[15:39] <nicomachus> people don't want to set up an account just for that.
[15:41] <mr_lou> tomreyn, Thanks! Will look into that.
[15:42] <tomreyn> mr_lou: you'll still need an account, i was wrong
[15:42] <mr_lou> Oh.. damn
[15:42] <mr_lou> mkay
[15:43] <tomreyn> mr_lou: you could try this: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[15:44] <mr_lou> hmmm
[15:44] <brainwash> just setting up a launchpad account looks way easier to me
[15:45] <mr_lou> yea..
[15:45] <mr_lou> I looked into that, but then got "scared" by the guide encouraging you to submit a whole bunch of info including picture etc.
[15:45] <brainwash> what is the actual problem though?
[15:46] <mr_lou> Just wanna report a bug that apparently has happened in kernel from v 4.4.0-97 to 4.4.0-98.
[15:46] <mr_lou> That is, v4.4.0-97 is fine. 4.4.0-98 is not.
[15:46] <brainwash> right. any problems with having a lp account?
[15:46] <brainwash> it shouldn't take long to create one
[15:46] <mr_lou> Oh.
[15:46] <mr_lou> Well.. didn't get that far.
[15:47] <mr_lou> Everyone gets to a point at some point where  they realize they have too damn many accounts everywhere.
[15:47] <nicomachus> mr_lou: stick to family friendly language, please. :D
[15:47] <mr_lou> I was just told that scenesat.com was hacked in April, and that all users e-mail and encrupted password is "out there".
[15:48] <brainwash> you should use a unique password
[15:48] <mr_lou> So at this point I suppose I should change my password.....everywhere...
[15:48] <hypercore> is ubuntu a good server for running a webserver off?
[15:48] <nicomachus> hypercore: yes.
[15:48] <brainwash> yes
[15:48] <mr_lou> Yea right.... a distinct password each site....  riiight.
[15:48] <brainwash> ubuntu server is the most popular one
[15:49] <nicomachus> mr_lou: use Lastpass or Keepass. makes it super easy. but that's all off-topic for this channel.
[15:49] <hypercore> 1. Why is it, 2. what's the difference between ubuntu desktop and ubuntu server
[15:50] <oerheks> mr_lou, but current kernel for xenial is 4.4.0.101.106
[15:50] <brainwash> mr_lou: what is the problem with 4.4.0-98? it's possible that the issue has been already reported
[15:50] <nicomachus> 1. it's a lightweight server environment that a huge portion of the internet already runs on. 2. ubuntu desktop has a... desktop! server is CLI only.
[15:50] <mr_lou> brainwash, The problem persists up to 0-101. In short it's this: My Blu-ray burner is no longer detected after v0-97
[15:51] <brainwash> mr_lou: 102 is in -proposed
[15:51] <mr_lou> brainwash, One will only discover it when needing to burn a Blu-ray disc. Something I do a lot, but which I doubt many other people do (anymore).
[15:52] <mr_lou> brainwash, During my Googling, I read that this part is handled by the kernel, which is why I got the idea of trying an older one, and sure enough.
[15:52] <hypercore> nicomachus: great, thanks. Also, 1) Why use ubuntu-server over debian, 2) is this ubuntu-server or desktop (https://app.vagrantup.com/ubuntu/boxes/xenial64)
[15:53] <oerheks> "Why use ubuntu-server over debian"  this is ubuntu technical support, distro discussion in #ubuntu-discuss please
[15:54] <oerheks> vagrant is a cloud image, of a desktop in that url
[15:54] <nicomachus> hypercore: debian is a bit slower to update packages. They really push for a completely stable environment. LTS releases of ubuntu server are stable as well, just a bit quicker to update packages. It comes down to user preference, really. 2. not sure, it doesn't say.
[15:54] <hypercore> nicomachus: great, thanks
[15:54] <nicomachus> hypercore: it's super easy to install desktop on server, or to remove the desktop from the desktop version and make it a server install.
[15:55] <hypercore> nicomachus: last questions, 1) how can i tell what version of ubuntu i'm using? (e.g. uname -a or a similar command), 2) how can i remove the desktop components to make it like ubuntu-server?
[15:56] <hypercore> or would i just see if gnome or some other DE is installed
[15:56] <mr_lou> brainwash, I'll just be using 4.4.0-97 for a while now. So I'm good. But wanted to report anyway of course, if it helps.
[15:57] <nicomachus> hypercore: 1. `uname -a` will show what release, `lsb_release -a` may show a bit more. 2. `sudo apt remove ubuntu-desktop` removes it, apt install ubuntu-desktop installs it. super easy.
[15:59] <hypercore> nicomachus: apparently that vagrant box is ubuntu-server, easy!
[15:59] <hypercore> nicomachus: thanks for the help man, appreciate it
[15:59] <nicomachus> hypercore: no problem. good luck!
[16:01] <ducasse> hypercore: uname does not show you the release, only the kernel version - you need lsb_release to get the release version
[16:13] <unicron> where should i report a GPL violation based on ubuntu?
[16:14] <oerheks> unicron, file a bugreport/launchpad
[16:15] <Richard_Cavell> Is the parted command actively maintained?  It seems that the most recent update was in 2014.  But it's still the standard command line partitioning tool, right?
[16:15] <unicron> thx oerheks
[16:16] <Allanis> Richard_Cavell: gparted?
[16:16] <Richard_Cavell> No, I mean parted. As I understand it gparted is just a graphical user interface to libparted.  Am I right?
[16:17] <Allanis> As far as I'm aware it's still the standard. I have not known anything better crop up.
[16:18] <Allanis> And yes, you are right.
[16:18] <oerheks> after trusty parted is up2date https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parted >> http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/parted/
[16:20] <xflacko> hello, while trying to boot a clean install of lubuntu 16.04.3 LTS with amdgpu-pro-16.60-379184 drivers installed the boot seems to hang/stop at the following message: [drm] Cannot find any crtc or sizes - going 1024x768 (this is when my amd gpu is connected to the pci)
[16:20] <xflacko> google doesn't seem to be my friend in this situation
[16:23] <nicomachus> !info parted | Richard_Cavell
[16:24] <nicomachus> !info parted xenial | Richard_Cavell
[16:24] <nicomachus> looks like it's still being maintained.
[16:24] <Richard_Cavell> Yeah, it is, but last update was in 2014
[16:24] <oerheks> some software never get updates, as it is written perfectly
[16:25] <Richard_Cavell> I hope that simply means that no one has found a bug or thought of a new feature in 3 years
[16:25] <oerheks> we think so too :-)
[16:43] <pavlos> Richard_Cavell: parted seems active  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parted
[17:09] <darrenalcorn> Hi all -- I have installed Ubuntu / Lubuntu etc before, but am having problems even getting to the installer on my desktop... I have tried both 16.04 and 17.10 -- When I select to "install ubuntu" i see a black screen and nothing else happens... I tried changing grub to "text" and "nomodeset" but still nothing
[17:10] <darrenalcorn> I'm trying to install the Ubuntu Server version, but had same issue with Ubuntu Desktop ISO
[17:19] <rullie> does anyone else experience gnome shell freezing when fullscreening videos in any browser?
[17:19] <rullie> on 17.10 wayland
[17:20] <rullie> this happens on sway too, but at least i can ctrl-alt f3 to a tty, but not so with gnome shell
[17:23] <v2zz> hi! recently my back-in-time began crushing on startup every time. is everybody experiencing the problem?
[17:23] <v2zz> purge\install won't help
[17:24] <Allanis> Last time I used it was ~two months ago.
[17:24] <Allanis> Worked fine then.
[17:24] <Allanis> (Can't test now though, I'm at work).
[17:24] <ducasse> v2zz: try moving/deleting the prefs in your or root's home folder, depending on which uid it runs under. it works fine here.
[17:26] <v2zz> ducasse which prefs? prefs of backintime? they don't exist there
[17:52] <darrenalcorn> guys I figured out my issues
[17:52] <darrenalcorn> disregard
[17:53] <mentalita> you thought all this was real?
[17:58] <auronandace> !yay | darrenalcorn
[18:01] <ducasse> darrenalcorn: can you quickly sum up the cause and solution, for the benefit of others?
[18:02] <darrenalcorn> ducasse: I was having black screens after install.  I changed BIOS to not use UEFI, which required me to make my startup disk using dd writing to /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1
[18:03] <darrenalcorn> ducasse: there was also a setting i changed in the MSI Z170A BIOS to use "4G latency" to support more graphics cards for mining -- i also turned that off but not sure if that had any impact -- will try switching it back after install to see if it still works
[18:04] <ducasse> darrenalcorn: right, thanks. unfortunately there are a lot of non-compliant uefi firmwares out there...
[18:07] <darrenalcorn> ducasse: yea I think UEFI was the issue -- and the USB stick wasn't working when i turned UEFI off because i was writing the image to /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sda on my laptop
[18:26] <donofrio> how do I get startx to run from startup on server, gui xfce4 is working I just have to login first then startx...would like what desktop can do with auto gui
[18:29] <ducasse> donofrio: install a display manager, like lightdm or gdm
[18:30] <donofrio> also I installed xfce4 but cannot find "whisker" menu to add like I'm used to
[18:31] <ducasse> that should be in the package xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin
[18:32] <donofrio> what is ubuntu built in bash pastebin command?
[18:33] <ducasse> no built-in, but pastebinit should be installed by default on recent releases
[18:44] <disruptivefive> Ok So I'm trying to get discord to work on ubuntu
[18:44] <disruptivefive> And it says it's corrupted
[18:44] <disruptivefive> I installed it through a .deb, but sudo apt-get install discord to update it doesn't work
[18:44] <disruptivefive> anybody have any ideas?
[18:45] <ducasse> !doesntwork | disruptivefive
[18:47] <ducasse> disruptivefive: iirc correctly there is also a snap of discord - you could try that
[18:47] <Toadisattva> I've got discord working fine on 16.04
[18:47] <Toadisattva> don't remember how i installed it, I wanna say command line
[18:47] <Toadisattva> maybe remove/purge it and try the apt install again?
[18:48] <disruptivefive> ok I'll try that
[18:48] <disruptivefive> I'll let you know how it works in a minute
[18:48] <ducasse> or try the snap, which is updated automatically
[18:49] <disruptivefive> what's a snap
[18:50] <ducasse> canonicals new packaging system
[18:50] <mutante> Snap Inc. must love that, heh
[18:52] <ducasse> offers contained applications complete with all dependencies, isolated from the rest of your environment for security. transactional updates, so you can easily rollback an update
[18:52] <disruptivefive> oh
[18:52] <disruptivefive> so it works, but I get a red banner still saying the installation is corrupted
[18:53] <Toadisattva> curious
[18:53] <disruptivefive> ikr
[18:53] <Toadisattva> snaps sound cool
[18:54] <Toadisattva> that's pretty legit, can't believe this is the first I'm hearing of them
[18:55] <ducasse> 'snap install discord', or use gnome software. i'd remove the .deb version first to avoid confusion about which one you're running.
[18:58] <ducasse> it also lets you install applications for a single user, in your homedir, unlike apt/dpkg
[18:58] <disruptivefive> so it's installing rn
[18:59] <disruptivefive> there's a cool animation
[19:00] <disruptivefive> aaaand its still corrupted
[19:01] <ducasse> hmm... could be the config?
[19:03] <Toadisattva> yeah my discord is working fine
[19:03]  * Toadisattva shrugs
[19:03] <ducasse> see if you have ~/.config/discord - if so, move it out of the way. if not, it's stored somewhere else - i don't use discord myself
[19:07] <Toadisattva> can confirm ~/.config/discord is the correct path I've got it
[19:13] <donofrio> I have lightdm installed now but my password is not working from lightdm but does work on tty's
[19:28] <p1l0t> Using the mail program do you guys know how to list previously read messages?
[20:04] <donofrio> anayone know now that I have lightdm installed now but my password is not working from lightdm but does work on tty's
[20:13] <espacito> hello
[20:17] <pinkisntwell> How is it possible that "nslookup download.docker.com" gives results but "curl download.docker.com" gives "could not resolve host"?
[20:17] <espacito> sorry
[20:17] <espacito> I dont know
[20:18] <akik> pinkisntwell: nslookup queries the dns server but curl is checking the naming sources through nsswitch.conf
[20:19] <akik> pinkisntwell: how does your hosts: line look like in /etc/nsswitch.conf ?
[20:20] <pinkisntwell> akik: hosts:          files resolve [!UNAVAIL=return] dns
[20:21] <akik> pinkisntwell: that doesn't look like ubuntu's nsswitch.conf setting
[20:21] <akik> maybe it is, i don't know
[20:22] <pinkisntwell> I just installed Ubuntu on this computer
[20:22] <akik> pinkisntwell: which version?
[20:22] <pinkisntwell> 16.04
[20:22] <akik> pinkisntwell: hmm doubtful about that :)
[20:22] <pinkisntwell> akik: why?
[20:22] <akik> pinkisntwell: it should look like this: hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns
[20:22] <pinkisntwell> akik: sorry, it's 16.10
[20:25] <ioria> pinkisntwell, it was a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1624071    , btw you need to upgrade because 16.10 is dead
[20:32] <Peyam> Hi, For developing c# apps, do I install MonoDev or .Net core?
[20:32] <ioria> Peyam, i'd go with mono-complete and mono-runtime
[20:33] <Peyam> ioria, why?
[20:33] <ioria> Peyam, if you want you can install monodevelop
[20:34] <Peyam> ioria, I can install .net core too
[20:34] <ioria> Peyam, what pkg are you referring to ?
[20:34] <Peyam> https://www.microsoft.com/net/download/linux
[20:35] <ioria> Peyam, sharp is available in te ubuntu repos
[20:35] <ioria> *the
[20:35] <Peyam> you are not clear
[20:35] <Peyam> what is sharp
[20:35] <Peyam> what does it do
[20:35] <ioria> guess
[20:35] <ioria> c# is c sharp
[20:36] <Peyam> it is a language
[20:36] <Peyam> what about the run time and framwork
[20:36] <ioria> included in mono-complete
[20:43] <JoshuaD> i tried switching from gdm3 to lightdm. After I did that at console (dpkg-reconfigure etc) my system couldn't get past the plymouth animation. I couldn't get a login prompt or to any tty's. I got to a console (by going into recovery mode) and tried switching it back to gdm3. Same problem. Then I tried switching it to lxdm. Still didn't work, but I could get to a tty. Finally chose sddm and got a login prompt. I'd like to use the lightdm
[20:43] <JoshuaD> login that comes with xubuntu. Is there any way to reset any residual settings for lightdm so I can try again?
[20:46] <ioria> JoshuaD, xubuntu uses lightdm ....
[20:46] <JoshuaD> Yea, sorry if my question wasn't clear. I installed ubuntu gnome. Switched to xfce. I prefer xfce. Have been having fun manually switching things over to be more like xubuntu.
[20:46] <JoshuaD> Ran into this problem when trying to switch from gdm3 to lightdm
[20:51] <ioria> JoshuaD, ubuntu gnome uses gdm3 ? i thought it was gdm
[20:55] <JoshuaD> I couldn't say for sure. I only knew it by the UI until today, and I don't recall which I un-installed. Whichever was installed by default by ubuntu gnome 16.10
[20:57] <ioria> !16.10 | JoshuaD
[20:57] <JoshuaD> so we're not allowed to talk about it here?
[20:58] <ioria> JoshuaD, 16.10 it's not supported anymore
[20:59] <JoshuaD> I am aware of that. I'm still running it (because the 16.04 installer hangs on my computer and I'm hesitant to upgrade and cause problems, so I'm waiting until 18.04). Does the fact that it's not supported mean we're not allowed to discuss it here?
[21:00] <genii> JoshuaD: The extent of the discussion would be along the lines of "Install a supported version"
[21:00] <JoshuaD> why?
[21:00] <genii> Or assisting with !eolupgrade
[21:03] <genii> JoshuaD: If there's someone that wants to help you, they can feel free to do so. But you're not likely to receive much help unless it's upgrading to something that is still being actively supported, or on a still-supported LTS previous to 16.10
[21:04] <JoshuaD> Cool, that make sense and is reasonable. So I'll wait for a bit and see if anyone has any insight.
[21:06] <akik> JoshuaD: how much did you debug the 16.04 boot problem? it would be supported for a long time
[21:09] <JoshuaD> @akik: I did a little googling and gave up, back in November 2016 and again today. Both times the installer hung on the "enter your username" screen (after I filled in my info and hit next). I couldn't find anything to work from on google, so last year I just installed 16.10, and today I gave up.
[21:13] <akik> JoshuaD: does the live session start ok? try without installing
[21:13] <JoshuaD> i'll give it a shot now. If not, is there some way I can get access to the log if it freezes?
[21:14] <akik> JoshuaD: i don't know if the whole computer freezes
[21:14] <JoshuaD> on the install, the computer didn't freeze. I entered my username, computer name, password, etc, and hit next. Then the spinning circle cursor appeared for about 15 minutes and nothing happened.
[21:14] <JoshuaD> mouse was still responsive, just nothing was happening.
[21:15] <akik> JoshuaD: install finished properly?
[21:15] <JoshuaD> I don't think so. I can check that drive and see if anything is written on it. It didn't get to the screen that showed the install progress bar slowly increasing.
[21:15] <donofrio> anyone know how I can get powerpc updates for 16.04 (just security i guess)
[21:16] <JoshuaD> let me try mounting that drive real quick and see if anything got written
[21:19] <JoshuaD> @akik: interesting. It looks like there's all of the normal root directory folders there. 251 entries in sbin (compared to the 202 on my 16.10 system).
[21:19] <JoshuaD> let me see if I can get my current grub to point at it and try booting from it.
[21:20] <JoshuaD> yea, I am. BRB gonna see what happens
[21:20] <JoshuaD> *am able to
[21:22] <Goop> What would I use in PHP to create a password hash that is compatable with /etc/shadow ??
[21:25] <JoshuaD> @akik: I got some kernel panic. Guessing that means I reset the computer before it could finish installing. later today I'll try letting it sit for an hour or so at that screen and see what happens.
[21:25] <akik> JoshuaD: there's a kernel parameter that controls the acpi system in your machine
[21:26] <akik> JoshuaD: you could check the value for it while in 16.10 and then use it while installing 16.04
[21:27] <akik> JoshuaD: sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows
[21:27] <JoshuaD> Microsoft Windows
[21:27] <JoshuaD> Microsoft Windows NT
[21:27] <JoshuaD> Windows 2001
[21:27] <JoshuaD> Windows 2006
[21:27] <JoshuaD> Windows 2009
[21:28] <akik> JoshuaD: then add the new kernel parameter "acpi_osi=Windows nnnn" when you boot the installer
[21:28] <JoshuaD> literally "nnnn" or pick one?
[21:28] <akik> JoshuaD: pick the newest
[21:29] <akik> JoshuaD: do you think it could be a problem with your storage device?
[21:29] <JoshuaD> I don't think so -- I tried it on a platter disc last november, and today on a sandisk solid state. Same result in both cases.
[21:30] <JoshuaD> 16.10 installed onto that same platter disc
[21:32] <JoshuaD> I'll go try the acpi_osi kernel paramater in a few and let you know how it goes
[21:33] <akik> JoshuaD: it's strange that the installer would stop at that stage
[21:34] <JoshuaD> based on the info written to the disk, I'm thinking the installer kept running but didn't update the UI for me for some reason
[21:35] <JoshuaD> is the next step in the installer the progress bar / installing?
[21:36] <akik> JoshuaD: it's the last step that asks for user input
[21:36] <akik> JoshuaD: yes i think that's correct
[21:39] <JoshuaD> Thanks for the help. I'll mess with it later, including that acpi_osi paramater, and see what happens
[21:56] <skinux> What happened to mod_rewrite? I can't find it in the repo, but Apache documentation for 2.4 still shows the doc for configuring it.
[22:00] <zautomata1> hi, whats the name of the ubuntu bios bug that halts the computer?
[22:00] <genii> Windows
[22:00] <genii> ;)
[22:00] <Toadisattva> zing!
[22:01] <zautomata1> :)
[22:01] <zautomata1> i am helping a friend
[22:01] <zautomata1> but i had that bug and fixed it somehow
[22:01] <zautomata1> i needed to modify some system files, and ubuntu stoped crashing
[22:02] <genii> There are different issues that can happen with bios that will prevent Ubuntu from loading, so it's difficult to say. Best to just describe the symptoms of what's happening instead.
[22:02] <zautomata1> it halts randomly
[22:02] <genii> Is this a new AMD system?
[22:02] <zautomata1> yes
[22:04] <Goop> What are acceptable hashes for /etc/shadow ?
[22:04] <Goop> hash algorithms*
[22:05] <genii> zautomata1: This should be fixed with kernels 4.10 and later. What version Ubuntu and what kernel  he has right now?
[22:06] <genii> work, AFK
[22:08] <zautomata1> not responding :)
[22:08] <zautomata1> i thought it was a common thing! it took me like 5mins to find it on stackoverflow when i had it, it was pretty popular, now i can't find it
[22:09] <daveylib> Hey guys! Is there anyone who could help me with configuring TFT display on Ubuntu Mate (running on NanoPi microcomputer)?
[22:09] <donofrio> zautomata1, inxi -Fxz pastebin it here
[22:10] <zautomata1> found the link https://askubuntu.com/questions/761706/ubuntu-15-10-and-16-04-keep-freezing-randomly
[22:11] <zautomata1> donofrio genii thanks
[22:11] <donofrio> genii?
[22:17] <daveylib> Is there any way to connect this display https://www.adafruit.com/product/2354 to computer running Ubuntu Mate?
[22:20] <TaZeR> you can use the hdmi/dvi decoder thats sold underneath it
[22:20] <TaZeR> and connect it like you would a regular display i think
[22:22] <TaZeR> or is that decoder only for the pi im not sure if not but something simular would be needed
[22:26] <genii> zautomata1: I'm back for a bit now. So if you are running 16.04 then you need to make sure you have the xenial-updates and xenial-security repositories enabled, and then install the linux-generic-hwe-16.04 package to get from the 4.4 kernel to 4.10
[22:30] <daveylib> TaZeR: Yes, I've got hdmi/dvi decoder. It works with RaspberryPi running Raspbian. I've tried to connect it to my iMac and it also works.
[22:31] <daveylib> TaZeR: xrandr shows "can't open display" information. After connecting the display to NanoPi I see only white screen which is turning to black.
[22:33] <AurorasAura> Hi everyone. I have a weird question. I have 2 Ubuntu servers no gui. Both running 16.04. What I am asking is how would I add a network drive on one server from the other server?
[22:34] <AurorasAura> Cause I have plex installed on one with no media and media on the other but no plex
[22:34] <genii> If they're both running some kind of linux then use NFS
[22:34] <AurorasAura> NFS?
[22:34] <genii> !nfs
[22:35] <Goop> What password hash algorithms are acceptable to Shadow?
[22:35] <AurorasAura> Ill give it a go lol
[22:40] <genii> Goop: SHA-512 is the default. If you look at any in there now you see they start with $6, which means SHA-512
[22:43] <Goop> genii, does it support blowfish?
[22:45] <genii> Goop: Not by default. But you can sequentially tell PAM what ones to try in a particular order, including that.
[22:54] <donofrio> nm-applet works and it says I'm on wifi but I cannot ping and booting stalled till ethernet was plugged in when I rebooted 10 min ago
[22:54] <Goop> genii, how do I configure PAM to also accept blowfish?
[22:54] <donofrio> I canoot ping yahoo.com like I can
[22:58] <donofrio> shouldn't nm-applet bring down eth0 when wlan0 is up?  ping didn't work till i "ifconfig enP1p32s15f0 down" the bingo pings came from yahoo.com
[22:58] <genii> Goop: Currently beyond my payscale
[23:00] <genii> Goop: Actually, looks like this page might be useful for you. https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=300208
[23:42] <donofrio> why does in boot it say "A start job is running for Raise network interfaces" I'm wifi...
[23:43] <donofrio> and just hangs with 2min 12s / 5min 1s?
[23:43] <donofrio> its stil counting up just why pause for this?
[23:44] <wyseguy> would this be the right room to ask about ubuntu on a macbook pro?
[23:44] <Ben64> donofrio: wifi is a network interface, but it's just trying to get your network going i guess
[23:45] <donofrio> its not progresssing past this 5min wait?
[23:45] <Ben64> it'll continue after it hits the 5m
[23:45] <Bashing-om> wyseguy: Sure - but I am not Mac savvy . Ask and see what the response is .
[23:45] <donofrio> probably but how to skip or why does this happen, when I plug in ether it jumps on with the boot....
[23:46] <wyseguy> well the macbook pro i have has dual videocard, not sure how well ubuntu deals with switching when the vc is needed
[23:46] <donofrio> wyseguy, what is your question
[23:46] <wyseguy> just asked
[23:47] <Bashing-om> wyseguy: nvidia does well .. AMD has it's issues . Depends on what the cards are .
[23:48] <wyseguy> intel iris pro and nvidia geforce gt 750m
[23:48] <wyseguy> issue is i have multiple computers both mac and pc, want an os that can be the same across all platforms
[23:48] <donofrio> I use synergy
[23:49] <donofrio> wyseguy, I use synergy for multiple desktops
[23:50] <Bashing-om> wyseguy: I would expect no issue - for a proprietary driver, be the 384 version for nvidia .
[23:52] <wyseguy> donofrio no need for synergy, just want the same os installed on all computers, have just heard that there can be issues with linux and controlling the 2 videocards and switching back and forth issues, or only using the nvidia card and causing the battery to die faster
[23:57] <daveylib> Guys? What should I do when I have "unknown monitor" in Ubuntu Mate and the only resolution is 1280x720?