[04:53] <mint> hi
[04:57] <valorie> hi mint
[04:57] <valorie> how can we help?
[05:01] <mint> valorie: ty i dont need help
[05:02] <valorie> cool
[05:03] <mint> i'm looking at mirc alternatives
[05:03] <mint> i installed konversation
[05:04] <valorie> that's what I use
[05:04] <valorie> ever since moving from mirc on windows
[05:04] <valorie> many many years ago
[05:04] <mint> nice :)
[05:05] <valorie> just keeps getting better!
[05:05] <valorie> there has been a recent security upgrade, so be sure to run the latest packaged version
[05:07] <mint> i see i use windows sometimes
[05:07] <mint> i am currently use a linux
[05:08] <mint> i like it konversation
[05:09] <valorie> me too
[05:09] <valorie> I believe that konvi runs on windows as well
[05:09] <valorie> most KDE applications do
[05:10] <mint> which distrubiton?
[05:10] <valorie> I'm using Kubuntu
[05:10] <valorie> I no longer run Windows
[05:10] <valorie> since about 2001
[05:11] <mint> :)
[05:11] <valorie> https://binary-factory.kde.org/job/konversation-stable-win32/
[05:11] <mint> i am using mint and ubuntu
[05:11] <valorie> ah
[05:12] <mint> where are u from?
[05:19] <valorie> here in Washington state, in the northwest of the US
[05:19] <valorie> you?
[05:20] <mint> Turkey (Istanbul)
[05:23] <valorie> oh very nice!
[05:23] <valorie> I love to see users all over the world
[05:23] <mint> me too
[05:24] <mint> but there is a language problem :)
[05:24]  * valorie is rather ignorant and knows little but English
[05:24] <valorie> sadly
[05:26] <mint> we are little know english :)
[05:26] <mint> English education is bad in Turkey
[05:27] <mint> we are talking in reverse
[05:28] <mint> turkish language :)
[05:31] <mint> for example valorie
[05:31] <mint> what is your name?
[05:31] <mint> turkish
[05:31] <mint> senin(your) adin(name) ne(what) dir(is)
[05:32] <mint> your name what is
[05:32] <mint> .
[05:32] <mint> this is big problem
[05:32] <mint> it is confusing
[05:36] <valorie> my name is Valorie Zimmerman
[05:37] <valorie> well, I talk to people from all over, so the grammar or word order aren't *super* important
[05:40] <mint> me too
[05:40] <mint> i know :)
[05:41] <mint> my name is Gokhan
[05:41] <mint> nice too meet u
[05:41] <valorie> nice to meet you, Gokhan
[05:41] <valorie> what do you do in Instanbul?
[05:42] <valorie> I've always wanted to visit the ancient Constantinople, but .....
[05:42] <valorie> not so far
[05:42] <valorie> and relations between our governments seems to be not getting better
[05:43] <valorie> Gokhan, can you join #kubuntu-offtopic so that we can continue talking?
[05:43] <advo> Hello?
[05:43] <valorie> this is offtopic
[05:43] <valorie> hi advo, how can we help ya?
[05:43] <mint> okay
[05:43] <valorie> just click the name and you'll join
[05:46] <advo> I'm in clueless land. I want to get kubuntu 16 what not on my rebuilt machine. I can't get win 7 working again, partly because the HDD it was installed on is crapping out? Thing always was that it was unreliable but once it booted it never messed up. At any rate, I want an OS on one of the other HDD to help me manage the whole thing.
[05:47] <advo> I don't have a DVD writer, but I do have a fresh USB drive that has more than enough room to help install... but and I have it dled, but I don't know how to go from here.
[05:47] <valorie> so it sounds like you want 16.04, the LTS (long term support)
[05:47] <valorie> !usb
[05:47] <advo> Yup, that's what I downloaded.
[05:48] <valorie> so click that first link above
[05:48] <valorie> it's pretty easy to "burn" a USB drive
[05:48] <advo> What's a persistent live usb install? That where you can have the host be on the USB drive?
[05:48] <valorie> yes
[05:48] <valorie> some people use that when traveling, for instance
[05:48] <advo> Neat. But not needed. I'll check the top link.
[05:48] <valorie> so they don't have to trust foreign computers
[05:50] <advo> What's an ubuntu flavour?
[05:54] <advo> That just a term for brand, like kubuntu is a flavour?
[05:57] <valorie> yes
[05:58] <valorie> kubuntu was the first; now there are quite a few others
[05:58] <valorie> lubuntu, xubuntu, etc.
[06:00] <advo> Trying to do this from a chromebook is proving frustrating...
[06:01] <advo> Hmm... found a typo...
[06:02] <valorie> uhoh, on the help page?
[06:04] <advo> Creating a bootable Ubuntu USB flash drive from Windows
[06:04] <advo> "If you are a beginnier, you find good information a"
[06:04] <advo> Just a little one.
[06:05] <valorie> ah
[06:05] <valorie> not sure I have the power to fix that
[06:05] <valorie> it's not an ordinary wiki page
[06:06] <advo> I don't think I'll be able to do this from this chrome book...
[06:06] <valorie> :(
[06:06] <valorie> can you do dd ?
[06:06] <valorie> from the commandline
[06:06] <valorie> !dd
[06:06] <valorie> pff
[06:07] <valorie> https://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal
[06:07] <valorie> advo: ^^^
[06:08] <valorie> pretty simple -- just get the command correct or you'll hose another drive
[06:08] <advo> Dunno. Currently I can't get it to show me how big the damn iso file is. I'm just going to keep this one up for now and grab the other netbook... it runs on win10.
[06:14] <advo> And I'm definitely running into a 'none of this makes sense' wall.
[06:15] <valorie> bummer
[06:15] <valorie> dd is slow but simple
[06:15] <valorie> and I've never managed to mess up, by being super-careful
[06:17] <advo> This is the sort of thing that's always ended my attempts at doing anything linux. All of a sudden it's a pile of code and stuff and my eyes go fuzzy.
[06:28] <valorie> advo: :(
[06:28] <valorie> I find the commandline *sometimes* simpler and faster
[06:29] <valorie> also, the up-arrow is more powerful than anything else
[06:29] <valorie> you don't have to type and retype
[06:29] <valorie> there is the tab-complete just like long nicks here in IRC
[06:30] <valorie> and up and down arrow to repeat commands
[06:33] <advo> Command lines. Yeah. I mean, I kinda get it, but also... isn't that what a gui is for?
[06:34] <advo> But my opinion may be from how I seem to not be able to understand how command lines work.
[06:41] <advo> Alright. I'm exhausted. Thank you for your help. It got me moving in the right direction.
[06:47] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:48] <valorie> morning, lordievader
[06:48] <lordievader> Hey valorie
[06:48] <lordievader> How are you?
[06:49] <valorie> um, good
[06:49] <valorie> dreading the holidays a bit
[06:49] <valorie> time is zooming too fast!
[06:50] <valorie> how are you?
[06:50] <lordievader> Doing good :)
[10:13] <quimnuss> Hello everyone
[10:14] <quimnuss> I have a question regarding networking but apparently the channel goes only on invite
[10:15] <quimnuss> Is it possible to deliver ftp transfers throught a different interface other than the one where the request was made?
[10:18] <lordievader> quimnuss: I suppose it is possible. But will most likely break the TCP connection on  the client side.
[10:19] <lordievader> Since your client suddenly receives traffic from a, presumably, different IP address.
[12:13] <user|78386> anyone here
[12:14] <lordievader> Many people are... if you are prepared to wait more than a minute.
[12:15] <lordievader> You'd think, such an old protocol... people would realize how things go.
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:37] <R_Rios> Hello, all. The animation of the busy wheel in Plasma is super fast for some reason. Any ideas?
[13:57] <burt_> G'day everyone  or night dpending on where you are.
[13:58] <BluesKaj> hi burt_
[14:02] <burt_> I am new to Linux and Kubuntu. I was hoping that someone here could tell me how to hide the categoriy "Development" found in KDE application launcher without hding it KDE Menu Launcher. I have followed the KDE articles but without success . Your help is greatly appreciated.
[14:02] <burt_> BluesKaj: Hello
[14:05] <burt_> I am new to Linux and Kubuntu. I was hoping that someone here could tell me how to hide the categoriy "Development" found in KDE application launcher without hding it in KDE Menu Editor. I have followed the KDE articles but without success . Your help is greatly appreciated.
[14:06] <burt_> Also I suspect the literature I have read on this topic is out of date.
[14:08] <hateball> burt_:  I don't think that is possible
[14:10] <BluesKaj> burt_,  afraid not, but it is 2 layers down in the menu so if you're worried about someone discovering it they'll have to know where to look
[14:12] <burt_> hateball: based on 2 well known distributions based on Kubuntu Linux Mint KDE edtion and Maui Linux they have done it . I can see the category "Development" in the KDE Menu Editor and does not appear in the KDE Menu Launcher.  Based on that observation I think it must be possible dont you ?
[14:14] <burt_> BluesKaj: hateball: based on 2 well known distributions based on Kubuntu Linux Mint KDE edtion and Maui Linux they have done it . I can see the category "Development" in the KDE Menu Editor and does not appear in the KDE Menu Launcher.  Based on that observation I think it must be possible dont you ?
[14:16] <burt_> BluesKaj:  hateball thank you both for responding to my question .
[14:16] <BluesKaj> burt_, what's is your 'issue' with this dev thing, there's no harm in it
[14:18] <burt_> I want to hide "Development" category in the KDE menu Launcher without it being invisible in KDE Menu Editor. Thanks
[14:23] <burt_> BluesKaj: I want to hide "Development" category in the KDE menu Launcher without it being invisible in KDE Menu Editor. Thanks
[14:27] <BluesKaj> burt_, that's a very unusual request, and I don't think it's possible, perhaps the experts at the #kde chat can help you.
[14:39] <burt_> BluesKaj: Thank you for the link, but it must be possible Linux Mint and Maui Linux both do it and well I'd love to know how they did it lol
[14:40]  * BluesKaj shrugs
[14:41] <lordievader> burt_: You could always make a whishlist bug report for a hide functionality... but I don't think it will quickly be done, or at all.
[14:59] <AV-81> hey
[15:00] <BluesKaj> hi AV-81
[15:00] <AV-81> thank god! somebody replied!
[15:00] <AV-81> i was trying for so long
[15:01] <AV-81> by the way how long have you been using ubuntu?
[15:02] <BluesKaj> AV-81, usually someone will reply if you ask a question, just saying hi doesn't indicate a need for support to some members here
[15:06] <lordievader> !question
[15:06] <lordievader> That ^ sort of summarizes it.
[15:08] <AV-81> How does canonical does business while ubuntu is free?
[15:09] <lordievader> Support contracts mostly.
[15:10] <lordievader> Companies pay for the support of Ubuntu.
[15:13] <burt_> Can someone please tell me how to hide the category "Development" found in KDE Application Launcher without hiding it on the left side of the  KDE Menu Editor. Your help is greatly appreciated.
[15:14] <burt_> Two Kunbuntu based distros Mint and Maui Linux do this by default I'l like to know how they did it, so I can customize my KDE Application Launcher
[15:16] <lordievader> Maybe ask there?
[15:38] <burt_> lordievader:  I did ask there but no one responded. I was hoping since Linux Mint and Maui Linux are based on Kubuntu that someone here could answer my question.
[19:24] <alesan> hello
[19:31] <alesan> what is in kubuntu, the program that allows users to login in the graphical environment?
[19:33] <BluesKaj> aitorpazos, sddm
[19:34] <BluesKaj> aka the login  page
[19:37] <alesan> I'm using 16.04 LTS
[19:37] <alesan> sddm does not seem to be incorporated
[19:39] <BluesKaj> I bet you have autologin enabled so it boots directly to the desktop from grub  not showing the login page
[19:41] <BluesKaj> alesan, ^
[19:49] <alesan> well that is probably right BUT
[19:49] <alesan> what I realized I'm looking for is when I open the lid of the laptop
[19:49] <alesan> it comes out of suspend mode
[19:49] <alesan> and asks for a password
[19:49] <alesan> who manages *that*
[19:50] <alesan> lightdm maybe?
[19:50] <alesan> it is currently in the process list
[19:51] <editheraven> hi there. how can I get all opengl extensions in latest kubuntu? the open driver from the repos seems "bare-bones", with minimal opengl support. thank you.
[19:51] <BluesKaj> aitorpazos, system settings>stsrtup&shutdown>login scree>advanced tab, uncheck auto login
[19:51] <BluesKaj> alesan, sorry ^
[19:52] <BluesKaj> editheraven, which gpu?
[19:53] <editheraven> oh sorry. ati amd hd 6xxx series
[19:53] <editheraven> 6770 precisely
[19:54] <BluesKaj> alesan, ssytem settings>power management
[19:54] <alesan> OK I would like to reduce the time it waits after I type a wrong password
[19:57] <BluesKaj> editheraven, run,  lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' , include the quotes ..that should tell us the driver in use
[19:57] <editheraven> BluesKaj, Kernel driver in use: radeon
[19:59] <editheraven> with only these extensions. "direct rendering: Yes     GL_ARB_direct_state_access, GL_ARB_draw_buffers,      GL_ARB_draw_indirect, GL_ARB_draw_instanced,      GL_ARB_multi_draw_indirect, GL_ARB_occlusion_query2,"
[20:00] <BluesKaj> editheraven, install the, xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu , driver
[20:02] <editheraven> BluesKaj, ok. Let me restart the x server
[20:08] <editheraven_> BluesKaj, looks like the kernel loaded the same module. Moreover, amdgpu driver didn't registered any kernel module when installed
[20:09] <BluesKaj> do yopu have dkms installed?
[20:09] <BluesKaj> you
[20:10] <editheraven_> BluesKaj, yes. which dkms /usr/sbin/dkms
[20:12] <editheraven_> I have virtualbox and it can register kernel modules just fine
[20:14] <editheraven_> strangely the kernel module exists "/lib/modules/4.13.0-17-generic/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu.ko"
[20:16] <editheraven_> ok so I can load the kernel module without error
[20:17] <editheraven_> i2c_algo_bit           16384  2 amdgpu,radeon ttm                    94208  2 amdgpu,radeon drm_kms_helper        167936  2 amdgpu,radeon drm                   356352  11 amdgpu,radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helperi2c_algo_bit           16384  2 amdgpu,radeon ttm                    94208  2 amdgpu,radeon drm_kms_helper        167936  2 amdgpu,radeon drm                   356352  11 amdgpu,radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper
[20:20] <BluesKaj> editheraven_, if you see any difference in performance hegatively then remove the amdgpu, I'm not sure it the right one
[20:21] <BluesKaj> sorry , my mistake, editheraven_
[20:21] <BluesKaj> think I'll call it a day
[23:12] <ubsafder> looks like my kubuntu updated automatically firefox can i revert to previous version ?
[23:16] <ubsafder> i could even review the update is that  kubuntu expected beheavior ?
[23:22] <krytarik> ubsafder: Every Firefox update is also considered a security one - so 2.) yes, and 1.) I would not.