[00:08] <bobsmith> wxl in the haus?
[00:08] <wxl> what up bobsmith
[00:09] <bobsmith> more questions for ya! mostly about partitioning, again, sorry, boring
[00:09] <wxl> hit me
[00:10] <bobsmith> I used this guide: https://askubuntu.com/questions/343268/how-to-use-manual-partitioning-during-installation
[00:10] <bobsmith> but setting swap as the only primary partition, as well as the boot? i dunno, its all good?
[00:12] <bobsmith> ubuntu help resources are the best! lots of digestable documentaton out there.
[00:13] <wxl> if you're doing an MBR scheme, you can only have four partitions
[00:13] <wxl> to get around that you can create an extended partition with logical paritions inside it
[00:14] <wxl> windows can't boot from logical partitions, fwiw
[00:14] <bobsmith> right just 4 primary
[00:14] <wxl> tl;dr if you're doing 4 or less partitions on MBR, you can just make everything primary
[00:14] <wxl> and if you're doing GPT, it doesn't matter. you can do whatever you want.
[00:15] <bobsmith> what MBR vs. GPT difference does it make?  I'm not going to dual boot anything with windows
[00:16] <wxl> either's fine, really
[00:16] <bobsmith> so, if I'm doing linux only machines, but with multiple distros per machine?
[00:17] <wxl> doesn't matter really
[00:17] <bobsmith> ok.  somethings do matter on partitioning, but there's not too many rules to worry about i guess?
[00:19] <wxl> well one thing i would consider is using LVM
[00:20] <wxl> and make sure you use a file system that allows for easy resizing and such
[00:20] <bobsmith> yes, that would probably be better for trying different distros i suppose (= virtual machine, yeah?)
[00:21] <wxl> if you want to use vms, it doesn't matter what you do with partitioning
[00:24] <bobsmith> change gears for a minute:  today, I tried to boot lubuntu from live USB on a chromebook.  no worky- graphics problem.   I dont suppose theres any such support?
[00:26] <bobsmith> I have heard people using different flavors of ubuntu on chromebooks successfully, however.
[00:31] <wxl> bobsmith: perhaps not, depends. there's some common kernel parameters to get around display issues
[00:33] <bobsmith> I didnt really expect it would work. this from my experience last week trying to get that old eeepc working with lubuntu.  same kinds of graphics display problems.  I put that one on back burner for now...
[00:36] <bobsmith> one more gear change:  if/when I get some flavor of linux OS working on chromebook, would it be possible/advisable to use say, a 64GB SD card as /home?? rather than try and replace the 16GB SSD?
[00:38] <bobsmith> couldnt I just make it so in /etc/fstab? and any reason I couldnt make it FAT?
[00:41] <bobsmith> shoot, one more thing I'm remembering now- per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving, I did move /home around successfully, and using leafpad to edit rather than vi! fyi...
[00:43] <wxl> a separate home is always good. and you can put it on the SD card. no idea about using FAT though. never tried.
[00:44] <wxl> bobsmith: try nomodeset for graphics issues. it's a start. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[00:53] <bobsmith> ok, I'll chew on those leads.  thx!
[01:59] <sjsu2> https://thepasteb.in/p/lOhOEqKRDBXFB
[02:02] <sjsu2> Having a problem installing Ubuntu on my old C2D MacBook... https://thepasteb.in/p/lOhOEqKRDBXFB
[05:06] <mr17> hello
[05:06] <mr17> can anyone help me getting a 3g USB modem working with lubuntu 17.10 ?
[05:07] <mr17> went thru the guide, choce country, provider and connection options... no go
[05:07] <mr17> worked perfedt with 17.04
[05:10] <mr17> worked with live usb, now installed ... no go :/
[19:33] <mr17> hello :)
[19:34] <mr17> can someone help me getting a 3g USB modem to work with  lubuntu 17.10 ?
[19:36] <mr17> it worked when live, now when lubuntu installed, it wont connect
[19:42] <mr17> hmm
[19:43] <wxl> this might suck if you have no connectivity, but did you try installing proprietary drivers?
[19:43] <mr17> hi wxl , yes i did, and everything is updated
[19:44] <mr17> it finds the modem, and i set it up, like i use to, using the guide.. but wont connect, pretty weird
[19:44] <wxl> i bet you there's still some driver or another you need, but did you look in the logs to see if there are any obvious errors, mr17 ?
[19:45] <mr17> where do i find the logs?
[19:45] <wxl> /var/log/syslog should be a good start
[19:45] <wxl> you can tail -f it and then try to connect
[19:45] <mr17> ok ty, will check
[19:46] <mr17> tail -f ?
[19:48] <mr17> ohh i see
[19:50] <mr17> wxl: it says modem registered, and connecting..
[19:51] <mr17> the connection animation just goes forever
[19:51] <mr17> "ModemManager[435]: <info>  Simple connect state (4/8): Wait to get fully enabled"
[19:52] <mr17> "NetworkManager[461]: <info>  [1511812299.2950] device (cdc-wdm0): state change: failed -> disconnected (reason 'none', internal state 'managed')"
[20:01] <wxl> mr17: does it have an ethernet connection?
[20:02] <mr17> right now im using cable
[20:02] <wxl> try running the proprietary driver check again
[20:02] <mr17> it doesnt make sense, since it worked fine when running the LIVE usb...
[20:03] <mr17> ok
[20:04] <mr17> 1 driver in use: Processor microcode firmware for intel ...
[20:04] <wxl> bah
[20:04] <wxl> ok so let's see if we do some searching
[20:05] <mr17> been using that on 17.04 too
[20:06] <wxl> could you pastebin lsusb -v?
[20:06] <mr17> ty for the help wxl .. yes, hang on
[20:06] <wxl> np
[20:07] <wxl> though know that i'm shooting in the dark here because i don't have a similar device to test with
[20:08] <mr17>  do you just need the huewai device ?
[20:08] <mr17> "Bus 001 Device 012: ID 12d1:1506 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. Modem/Networkcard"
[20:11] <mr17> wxl: -> https://pastebin.com/c7V1ZjC8
[20:12] <wxl> mr17: you got a log file at /var/log/usb_modeswitch.log ?
[20:13] <mr17> wxl: nope
[20:13] <wxl> mr17: are you using wv dial?
[20:14] <mr17> no
[20:14] <mr17> i downloaded modem manager, but no change
[20:14] <wxl> hm well i don't know if this is old and irrelevant but it seems that usb_modeswitch is relevant
[20:14] <wxl> as is wvdial to do the actual connecting
[20:15] <wxl> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/artful/en/man1/usb_modeswitch.1.html
[20:16] <mr17> yes i read about that
[20:16] <wxl> did you try using it? it seems specifically related to that chip
[20:16] <mr17> i'll reread, and retry that option
[20:16] <wxl> sudo usb_modeswitch -J -v 0x12d1 -p 0x14fe
[20:16] <mr17> thx wxl  :)
[20:16] <wxl> just install usb_modeswitch and then run that
[20:17] <wxl> the switches with the arguments refer to the chip id
[20:17] <mr17> ok thanks
[20:17] <wxl> the -J is "huawei new mode"
[20:17] <wxl> i guess something specific to that range of devices
[20:18] <mr17> will it change the usb device, or only settings in linux? - would hate to render the modem dead
[20:18] <wxl> apparently if you want the specific string you would add -M '55534243123456780000000000000011062000000100000000000000000000' and remove the -J
[20:18] <wxl> no, this only affects the os
[20:19] <wxl> i also see someone else doing this which may be important to finally kick it into place:
[20:19] <wxl> modprobe option && echo 12d1 1506 > /sys/bus/usb-serial/drivers/option1/new_id
[20:20] <mr17> "No devices in default mode found. "
[20:21] <mr17> i get a permission denied with modprobe.. even with sudo
[20:23] <wxl> which usb_modeswitch did you use?
[20:23] <wxl> um i THINK you may be able to use -W to get more output
[20:24] <mr17> i disconnected the device, so i had to change the id
[20:25] <mr17> usb_modeswitch "can't use storage command in MessageContent with interface 0; interface class is 255, expected 8. Abort"
[20:25] <wxl> is that with -J or -M?
[20:25] <mr17>  sudo usb_modeswitch -J -v 0x12d1 -p 0x1506
[20:28] <wxl> try this usb_modeswitch -v 12d1 -p 15ca -V 12d1 -P 1506 -M "55534243123456780000000000000011062000000100000000000000000000"
[20:29] <mr17> "Found devices in target mode or class (1) Look for default devices ...  No devices in default mode found. Nothing to do. Bye!"
[20:29] <mr17> hmm
[20:29] <wxl> that, i think, suggests that you're good to go, BUT as far as i know, that should change the output in lsusb.. the id should actually change
[20:30] <wxl> as an example https://askubuntu.com/a/843835
[20:33] <mr17> i see.. but it still keeps the running thing besides the clock, and eventually time out
[20:34] <mr17> must have messed up the usb_modeswitch i guess
[20:34] <mr17> ill recheck
[20:35] <wxl> well, i *THINK* the issue about it complaining about not being in default mode means that the modeswitch was already done
[20:36] <mr17> reconnected device.. checked the ids.. same, still same error from usb_modeswitch "Error: can't use storage command in MessageContent with interface 0; interface class is 255, expected 8. Abort"
[20:36] <wxl> sadly, i'm at a loss
[20:37] <mr17> i noticed this happned when i wrote the iso using unetbootin
[20:37] <mr17> whn i used the "startup disk creator", it worked fine .. could it be something ?
[20:37] <wxl> dumb question: did you check the hashes of the iso?
[20:37] <wxl> and then check the media you're using to install?
[20:37] <wxl> because if you didn't, you may just have something wrong with the install, thus the strange behavior
[20:38] <mr17> i didnt.. but should be the correct iso.. downloaded using torrent
[20:38] <wxl> failing that as an option, i'd post on askubuntu.com. looks like there are lots of users of that modem. if you search by the chip id i'm sure you'll find a lot
[20:38] <mr17> ok big thanks for your help and time wxl .. ill go read :)
[20:38] <wxl> the torrent SHOULD take care of checksuming the thing, but it's worth a double check. that also doesn't take into account possibly copy areas to the media of choice (unless you're using a vm)
[20:39] <wxl> s/areas/errors/
[20:39] <mr17> no wm... just an oldcomputer (512mb ram)
[20:39] <wxl> when doing installs, you always have to check everything
[20:39]  * mr17 agrees
[20:40] <wxl> otherwise you run the risk of an error.. one bit might be enough to allow the thing to act perfectly right.. except in some strange area
[20:40] <toni8tones> Hey I just installed Lubuntu, it took a few tries for sure, on a Lenovo IdeaPad 120s, and everything seems to be working well except for my keypad
[20:40] <toni8tones> driver issue I am sure...
[20:40] <toni8tones> anyone have any fixes?
[20:40] <mr17> i wrote the iso to usb using startup creator, no problems whatsoever, but had to use unetbootin, to see the usb, and copy backup files to a seperate folder
[20:41] <wxl> toni8tones: you're not really explaining what's wrong with it.....
[20:41] <mr17> once again, thx for your time and help wxl .. i got stuff to read :)
[20:42] <wxl> mr17: there's a check at the grub boot screen you can use to test the media
[20:42] <wxl> mr17: good luck. OH one other suggestion: you might ask at #ubuntu if anyone's having problems with that particular device. it's not a lubuntu-specific issue
[20:43] <mr17> no it seems kinda random... thx, will check the grub boot screen, and #askubuntu
[20:43] <toni8tones> it skips around, I will be entering text in one box or area and it skips to eithe ra different text box or goes back into an earlier part of the text and starts typing there
[20:43] <wxl> so this is within a browser, mr17 ?
[20:44] <wxl> oops i meant that for toni8tones
[20:44] <toni8tones> it's anywhere, in anything
[20:44] <mr17> i started by dist-upgrade from 17.04.. worked ok, but some programs went dead, so decidedto reinstall 17.19
[20:44] <mr17> *17.10
[20:44] <mr17> yes wxl
[20:44] <toni8tones> it can be a text document, a box on a web browser, email composition
[20:44] <wxl> so it happens in terminal, toni8tones ?
[20:44] <wxl> wait a minute
[20:44] <toni8tones> yes anywhere
[20:44] <wxl> did you hit num lock? XD
[20:45] <mr17> if you on laptop toni8tones , check that the numkeypad are off... use the FN button
[20:45] <toni8tones> oh I actually don't know if it happens in terminal to be honest
[20:45] <toni8tones> but i don't even have a number lock on this keypad
[20:45] <toni8tones> no reason for it, this is a tiny laptop
[20:45] <mr17> ok, thats ruled out :)
[20:46] <wxl> i'd be shocked if you don't have one somewhere
[20:46] <wxl> does 5 work fine?
[20:46] <toni8tones> the number 5?
[20:46] <wxl> keypad = 10 key, right?
[20:47] <mr17> cya folks, thx for help
[20:47] <wxl> good luck mr17
[20:47] <wxl> if you figure it out, spread the word!
[20:48] <toni8tones> 10 key?
[20:48] <toni8tones> F10?
[20:48] <toni8tones> the only two things I see that look like they could be a numlock are F9 which has a like pad lock icon on it
[20:49] <wxl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keypad
[20:49] <toni8tones> and... actually that's all. ha
[20:49] <wxl> that's what i interpret as a keypad
[20:49] <wxl> also known as "10 key"
[20:49] <wxl> actually i meant this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeric_keypad
[20:50] <wxl> usually 5 has no additional function so it should work just fine
[20:50] <toni8tones> oh sorry it's not my keypad then it's my keyboard
[20:51] <wxl> so the whole keyboard doesn't work?
[20:51] <toni8tones> it works, I am typing on it right now, it just wont stay in one text line for even like a whole sentence, it bounces to either a different text box
[20:51] <toni8tones> or it will go back intingtheren o something I've already typed and start typ
[20:52] <toni8tones> like that... see where it messed up? the mouse just hopped back there without any reason and started typing there.
[20:52] <toni8tones> usually this is a driver issue
[20:52] <wxl> wait your mouse is a problem now?
[20:52] <toni8tones> no it's the keyboard
[20:53] <toni8tones> the cursor
[20:53] <toni8tones> sorry cursor not mouse
[20:53] <wxl> so are any keys working fine?
[20:54] <wxl> are you using some weird keyboard layout?
[20:54] <toni8tones> all the keys individually work fine.  it's that the typing flow gets inturrupted and the cursor moves to someplace random and then I can't type a complete sentence
[20:55] <toni8tones> no, trust mrng this issue ing if anytone knows where to get the driver for lenovo keypads or if anyone else is havie I have had this happen so many times on computers running windows, it's always the driver, so I am wonde
[20:55] <toni8tones> oh ugh - see sorry it just did it right there
[20:55] <wxl> why do you keep saying keypads?
[20:55] <toni8tones> whenever this has happened with a windows machine it's always the driver
[20:56] <toni8tones> so I am wondering if anyone knows where to get lenovo ideapad keyboard drivers
[20:56] <wxl> in general keyboards need no drivers unless they have some special features not on a normal keyboard
[20:56] <wxl> (or rather, they need no drivers not already included in the kernel)
[20:58] <toni8tones> hmmm...
[20:58] <wxl> what specific model do you have?
[21:03] <toni8tones> lenovo ideapad 120s
[21:07] <wxl> toni8tones: unfortunately google doesn't provide much help. i will tell you this is not a *L*ubuntu issue, but a general ubuntu one. go ask at #ubuntu and maybe someone there has one with some experience
[21:08] <toni8tones> oh okay I wasn't sure about that so thanks
[21:08] <toni8tones> have a good one
[21:31] <wxl> uhhhh
[21:31] <wxl> for masto?
[21:32] <wxl> oops
[22:23] <mr17> hi again wxl ..lol i think i know why the 3g usb wont work...
[22:23] <mr17> i downloaded the desktop version... not the alternate... not really sure what is different.. but now it works like a charm :)
[22:23] <mr17> owe you a case of beer :)
[22:24] <wxl> do you know if the hashes lined up on the original one, mr17 ? if not, it may be that you got unlucky.. then lucky
[22:24] <mr17> hashes was ok
[22:25] <mr17> seems the dekstop version will somehow not recognie 3g usbs
[22:25] <mr17> *recognize
[22:26] <mr17> been unlucky on pokerTH all night too... must be it ;)
[22:27] <mr17> once again, thx for your time and help :) .. bye bye
[22:27] <mr17> wxl: