[07:40] <SuperMatt> morning all
[09:00] <foobarry> https://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_600562.html?wid=4&utm_source=mail_api&utm_medium=mail&utm_campaign=GB_special_171125_1511607696&eo=qg9sGukAVhqbdBHM
[09:01] <foobarry> really cheap phone. does it suck as much as price suggests?
[09:02] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:05] <zmoylan-pi> i hope that 16gb rom means 16gb internal storage...
[09:06] <zmoylan-pi> i have had a few ~100 phones. prepay jobbies on tescomobile... they work ok, for what they are. i use them as media players for podcasts and downloads.  1-2 games, 1-2 apps. nothing special. not great battery life. some shovelware
[19:08] <diddledan> what's wrong with my tellingbone?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2A8q3XIhu0
[19:12] <daftykins> we used to have such a museum :(
[19:18] <ali1234> the worst thing is when they play a catchy tune but interrupt it every 5 seconds with "we will answer your call soon"
[19:19] <daftykins> yip :)
[19:20] <ali1234> and speaking of compression. i did some back-of-the-envelope calculations the other day and it turns out that with modern codecs, voice comms are cheaper if i use internet data than make a call
[19:21] <ali1234> based on 3p/minute for calling and 1p/megabyte for data
[19:21] <ali1234> it's like 10x cheaper in fact
[19:23] <daftykins> *nod* so often the case
[19:24] <ali1234> its mainly due to inertia but it could lead to a sudden change in the way people use smartphones soon i think
[19:29] <diddledan> that's why a lot of companies bundle free calling minutes
[19:30] <ali1234> well... the thing is that with the old codecs specified by the standards calling is appropriately priced. it's just that modern codecs use less data
[19:30] <diddledan> it works out better if they keep you calling on the voice network via subscription minutes than using voip
[19:30] <ali1234> it doesn't though :)
[19:31] <diddledan> foor them I mean
[19:31] <ali1234> no, not for them
[19:31] <ali1234> it costs about the same
[19:31] <ali1234> in terms of "data used"
[19:32] <diddledan> monetarily
[19:32] <ali1234> perhaps
[19:32] <diddledan> they earn more per minute of calling if they get you to use voice gsm
[19:33] <ali1234> but it also increases the infrastructure costs
[19:35] <diddledan> with 4G there's VoLTE coming down the pipe soonish which means it'll all be the same pipe (data/IP-based) rsther than voicevs data