[00:00] <Blade2021> I'm running an ubuntu server on a VM, trying to conect to it from outside my LAN, everything works inside my LAN and I have the firewall and router forwarded but I keep getting a connection timeout when trying to connect to it
[00:00] <Blade2021> Any ideas?
[00:01] <Tenacious-Techhu> I have an idea; a hamburger patty between two slices of pizza would be delicious.
[00:04] <Blade2021> Awesome response but I'm full.
[00:04] <Blade2021> I got it.
[00:04] <Blade2021> thanks.
[00:17] <michael2> when I am in gnome terminal and it sees a link - if I click on it it opens chrome - does any one know how to specifiy which browser is open when click on link in gnome terminal so it opens firefox?
[00:23] <allizom> michael2: open settings/details/default applications and select Firefox as default
[00:27] <ponyrider> michael2: or you can set the default browser in xresources
[00:34] <Tenacious-Techhu> Anyone know a complete guide on exactly how adduser works?
[00:34] <Tenacious-Techhu> I'm trying to figure out where the parts of a new user's files that don't come from the skel come from.
[00:34] <kk4ewt> man adduser?
[00:35] <bcowan> man adduser
[00:35] <bcowan> oops
[00:35] <Tenacious-Techhu> "man adduser" doesn't seem to go into that sort of detail.
[00:36] <kk4ewt> info adduser
[00:36] <bcowan>  If the file /usr/local/sbin/adduser.local exists, it will  be  executed  after
[00:36] <bcowan>        the  user  account  has been set up in order to do any local setup.
[00:36] <michael2> ponyrider: hey they did it thanks :) do you know if its possible to do that from the comand line?
[00:37] <ponyrider> bcowan: look at useradd, that is more linux generic
[00:38] <Tenacious-Techhu> bcowan, that's definitely helpful, but it doesn't actually answer the question I just asked; how does adduser actually do its job, and where do the unspecified files come from?
[00:38] <ponyrider> michael2: do what from the command line?
[00:38] <michael2> set the default browser
[00:39] <ponyrider> michael2: set the mimetypes
[00:39] <bcowan> Tenacious-Techhu, what other files are you talking about
[00:40] <ponyrider> i think ubuntu is /etc/mime.types ..?
[00:40] <Tenacious-Techhu> bcowan, skel specifies some files, but there's a lot that aren't specified that get created anyway...
[00:40] <ponyrider> michael2: ^
[00:40] <Tenacious-Techhu> Where do those come from?
[00:40] <bcowan> lots of settings from gnome etc get added the first time you log into a session
[00:41] <michael2> ponyrider: you mean in ~/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list   ?
[00:41] <ponyrider> michael2: that would be your user specific override, not systemwide. you could edit that though
[00:50] <michael2> ponyrider: didnt have any success with those file, but this command lists the default: xdg-mime query default text/html
[00:51] <ponyrider> michael2: are you using 'xdg-open' to open the file?
[00:56] <michael2> in this case im just clicking on links that appear in gnome-terminal
[00:57] <michael2> ponyrider: your GUI solution works so I'll just go with that rather than spending any more time trying to get a shell command to work
[01:10] <cnnx> i just discovered ubuntu from windows 10 app store
[01:11] <cnnx> is it like a virtual box thing?
[01:11] <cnnx> or is it running ubuntu natively?
[01:11] <ltx128> yes
[01:11] <cnnx> which
[01:11] <spinbee> mativ
[01:12] <cnnx> thats amazing
[01:12] <cnnx> much better than using putty
[01:12] <cnnx> i was sick of putty
[01:14] <Krennic> cnnx is a subsystem in windows 10 is actually ubuntu  is not like virtualbox
[01:14] <cnnx> Krennic: so direct access to the hardware?
[01:15] <cnnx> microsoft is doing great things
[01:15] <cnnx> combining my love of linux with windows
[01:15] <michael2> ponyrider: found the file - its ~/.config/mimeapps.list and when you modify default browser through the GUI this is the file that gets changed
[01:17] <cnnx> Krennic: interestingly enough if i run the top command from within the ubuntu subsystem it doesn't show me the processes that task manager in win10 would show me
[01:17] <cnnx> just the userspace local linux pid
[01:18] <cnnx> is it not sharing the same memory space?
[01:20] <Krennic> is like runing both oerating systems from your computer at the same time what you do in ubuntu  is in ubuntu and what you do in windows in in windows
[01:21] <Krennic> tu see linux aplication you need to use xming
[01:21] <Krennic> server
[01:23] <Krennic> you dont gonna see the linux files cause they are hidding but i suggest you not to try to touch them you can mess up your pc
[01:26] <Krennic> cnnx the subsystem is use from you own computer as i said is like runing both operating systems in at the same time in you computer
[01:53] <Tenacious-Techhu> If I edit a skel to have some subdirectories in order to place a file to overwrite on the creation of a new account, will the otherwise empty subdirectories overwrite the populated directories, or will those directories not be overwritten?
[02:08] <ksbalaji> Somehow I got back my desktop with application launching enabled. But fonts in desktop icons, widows etc are tiny. How to restore please?
[02:53] <tacomaster> I have a radeon hd 6310 that all this box will ever do is play netflix and youtube. Can someone help me try to get the video not so choppy?
[02:54] <tacomaster> Under windows it plays just fine so I know that the gpu can handle it but windows 10 is just so sluggish for this machine. Ubuntu feels so much faster but just not as great support for video drivers
[02:54] <tacomaster> anything that you need just let me know
[03:24] <pennTeller> Wow the gnome channel sucks
[03:24] <pennTeller> I'm glad this channel exists
[03:28] <sharpish> I think I am not recieving updates, for example my firefox is listed as version 54.0 while the current version is listed as 57. The software updater runs, and reports all software is up to date. I have also tried apt-get clean, apt-get update then apt-get upgrade, this also tells me that all the software on the system is up to date. I have searched around, but havent found any results to this particular issue. Any ideas?
[03:34] <Bashing-om> sharpish: What release are you running ?
[03:35] <sharpish> Bashing-om, 16.04
[03:36] <sharpish> sorry 16.10
[03:37] <Bashing-om> sharpish: 16.10 is end of live and gets no updates .. as the repo is closed down .
[03:37] <sharpish> ahhhhh
[03:38] <Bashing-om> !16.10 | sharpish
[03:39] <sharpish> Bashing-om, The thought never crossed my mind it was eol. Thanks!
[03:40] <Bashing-om> sharpish: Happens , get current asap . 16.04 is the present LTS release ,
[03:42] <Bashing-om> sharpish: going forward in your case is 17.04 - 17.10 .
[03:43] <sharpish> Bashing-om, I will do now. Thanks again!
[03:44] <Bashing-om> sharpish: Np .. help where I can :)
[03:46] <Tenacious-Techhu> Bashing-om, you know anything about skels?
[03:47] <Zensei> any noticeable differences between 16.04 and 17.10
[03:52] <Bashing-om> Tenacious-Techhu: hances are not .. as I do not recognize the term skels .
[03:53] <Bashing-om> chances*
[04:06] <apb1963> Tenacious-Techhu, you mean like /etc/skel ?
[04:12] <platzhirsch> How can I insert the invisible new line ASCII 10 in Ubuntu?
[04:13] <platzhirsch> Would Ctrl + Shift + U0010 do the trick?
[04:13] <pennTeller> Guys does anybody get notifications when somebody DM's you using Hexchat in ubuntu gnome 16.04? I have to contantly be checking the client since I never get a notification.. :(
[04:17] <apb1963> Decimal 10 is a Line Feed. (The ascii table from man ascii is wrong.)
[04:18] <apb1963> Newline is actually an LF coupled with a CR
[04:22] <Tenacious-Techhu> apb1963, yes, that is what I mean; I'm new to dealing with skels, and I'm not sure how to use them properly.
[04:26] <apb1963> planigan, Why do you want to do that?
[04:26] <apb1963> planigan, sorry, wrong nick
[04:27] <apb1963> Tenacious-Techhu, I haven't used them, but afaik you just create and/or modify the files there and the system will do the rest when you add a user.  Have you tried?
[04:31] <Tenacious-Techhu> apb1963, my concern is this... if I need to make a bunch of subdirectories in order to put a file in the required place, will the emptiness of those directories then overwrite the existing layout, or will only the existing file overwrite? And, if so, how would you then enforce overwriting with empty subdirectories if that is what you wanted?
[04:37] <stevie> hey
[04:38] <stevie> I have a dino, this thing is basically about to be oil - the version of crunchbang (defunct) too - is there a ubuntu package for checking system specs/hardware?
[04:38] <kode54> stevie: inxi?
[04:39] <stevie> do I need to compile it
[04:39] <kode54> no
[04:39] <kode54> there's also screenfetch
[04:40] <stevie> oh true, this might have screenfetch
[04:40] <stevie> nop
[04:41] <stevie> so I can't apt-get inxi
[04:41] <stevie> oh I see the ppa
[04:43] <stevie> the ppa 404'd
[04:43] <kode54> https://github.com/KittyKatt/screenFetch you could grab the script manually
[04:43] <stevie> hardinfo worked
[05:39] <hellimod> Drone, you are broken
[05:52] <so_lost> hello guys, question regarding running ubuntu bash on win and trying to open files through terminal? is it possible? also: is there a way to show images INSIDE the terminal if the bash cannot access the win file sys?
[05:55] <mozammel> Hello guys I've a problem, I cant use Single Click on nautilus file manager, even Single click option activated on preference, I'm using Ubuntu 17.10 gnome DE, Nautilus 3.26.0
[05:55] <thepardoxer02> some help, i ran into this problem
[05:55] <thepardoxer02> https://dpaste.de/wtZc
[05:56] <thepardoxer02> i tried installing libpq-dev, still no luck
[05:57] <edisonbulb> how do I hide all snap packages in gnome-software?
[05:57] <edisonbulb> i only want to see debs
[06:23] <alkisg> thepardoxer02: it sounds like you added some ppa or something that has some updated versions, which conflict with the rest. Try disabling that PPA and restoring ubuntu versions for all your packages.
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> morning alkisg
[06:33] <alkisg> Good morning lotuspsychje, hi all! :)
[06:39] <edisonbulb> what could cause an IRC client to freeze, but only if I go to a specific channel?
[06:39] <Triffid_Hunter> edisonbulb: broken client + script kiddies playing.. try kvirc instead of hexchat :P
[06:40] <edisonbulb> so that must mean that there are script kiddies messing around on ##linux
[06:40] <Triffid_Hunter> edisonbulb: I'm there, nothing weird happening at the moment
[06:40] <edisonbulb> hmm
[06:41] <edisonbulb> weird
[06:41] <edisonbulb> i'll try switching clients & see what happens
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> edisonbulb: what client?
[06:42] <edisonbulb> hexchat as Triffid_Hunter said (idrk how he knew that though)
[06:43] <Triffid_Hunter> edisonbulb: because that's the one that folks always seem to have performance issues with, also it's the only one installed by default on ubuntu last time I checked :P
[06:44] <edisonbulb> there needs to be a website devoted completely to crowdsourced open source software reviews -- focusing mainly on the stability and correctness of the programs rather than how "user-friendly" they are
[06:45] <edisonbulb> omg i need to stop posting everything that pops into my head -_-
[06:45] <alkisg> edisonbulb: there is. Their bug trackers.
[06:45] <alkisg> Did you post any "review" there?
[06:45] <edisonbulb> i would if i knew what to complain about in my review ;)
[06:45] <alkisg> !bug
[06:46] <alkisg> See, that easy.
[06:46] <alkisg> You say "I tried to join that channel and it hanged"
[06:46] <alkisg> And you give feedback whenever asked about it
[06:46] <edisonbulb> the thing is it didn't hang when i tried to join that channel two hours ago :o
[06:47] <alkisg> There are bugs that are not always reproducible
[06:47] <alkisg> That doesn't mean that they shouldn't be reported
[06:47] <edisonbulb> hmm never thought of that... how does one go about fixing a non-reproducable bug? now I'm just curious lol
[06:49] <rh10> hey! guys, which software allow save screenshots to cloud (dropbox at windows has this functionality)?
[06:49] <rh10> xfce desktop
[06:49] <alkisg> edisonbulb:  An example? Suppose that you report the bug, and the developer thinks, "ah it's that realloc() that I was doing for the users list, which happens when little RAM is available, let's fix it now that someone was actually affected by it"
[06:49] <edisonbulb> oop, found another thing to "review"... right clicking a hyperlink and hitting "open in browser" does nothing
[06:50] <alkisg> Right, so start reviewing already
[06:50] <alkisg> :)
[06:53] <edisonbulb> it cannot be a coincidence that every package I have problems with was installed with snap
[07:01] <edisonbulb> https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/issues/2098
[07:01] <edisonbulb> https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/issues/2097
[07:02] <edisonbulb> bugs submitted. also kvirc's scripting feature gets in the way of authentication bc my password contains a dollar sign
[07:02] <Triffid_Hunter> edisonbulb: should work with the auto nickserv auth thingy?
[07:10] <thepardoxer02> i am trying to make a mongoserver, i am getting this error https://dpaste.de/qMh5 , i google and find out that i need to install libpq-dev, but it is already installed in my system
[08:18] <Neo3> Hi!
[08:19] <Neo3> I can close tor see this link http://storage2.static.itmages.com/i/17/1127/h_1511770761_6041895_3415b842c0.png
[08:20] <Neo3> killed process of tor and this couldn't help
[08:21] <ducasse> how did you kill it?
[08:22] <Neo3> ducasse: see it, I found new http://storage6.static.itmages.com/i/17/1127/h_1511770951_4966103_0b0d0138b4.png
[08:23] <Neo3> I killed using system monitor
[08:23] <gnomethrower> Neo3: look for firefox-bin too
[08:23] <gnomethrower> err, actually no, disregard that. ignore me
[08:25] <Neo3> see I run tor, but it doesn't appear on launch panel, When I focus other window, tor is disappearing
[08:25] <ducasse> Neo3: try 'kill -9 11504 10654'
[08:26] <Neo3> ducasse: I killed, he launch but doesn't show in panel
[08:26] <Neo3> http://storage4.static.itmages.com/i/17/1127/h_1511771154_6838224_dd3c485d00.png
[08:27] <Neo3> ducasse: when I press hide window '-' he'll wholly disappear and I'll can't find it
[08:28] <Neo3> ducasse: do you use tor?
[08:28] <ducasse> can't help you with that, i don't use gnome. wait for someone who knows it.
[08:28] <Neo3> ubuntu software is broken too
[08:30] <Neo3> I was installing chore and when press on .deb archive should be run 'ubuntu software' but this didn't work from begin, and why it run if I made ' sudo apt remove ubuntu-software ', it should be disappeared
[08:31] <Neo3> there seems two apps, ubuntu-software and software-center
[08:31] <Neo3> software-center is old, and new ubuntu-softwre
[08:31] <Neo3> new is broken
[08:31] <ducasse> don't use software center, use gnome software instead. or just install from command line, you get more control.
[08:32] <Neo3> yes I installed tore from comand line and everything is installing using it
[08:34] <Neo3> but software center is not bad too, there list of app, and you can seek what you need.
[08:34] <Neo3> Where you find the needed apps?
[08:34] <Neo3> I need editor for open psd files, for make html markup
[08:34] <Neo3> GIMP
[08:35] <Neo3> and for SVG I use Ilustrator
[08:35] <hateball> Neo3: There's Inkscape for vector graphics
[08:36] <Neo3> hateball: and for rastr graphics?
[08:38] <Neo3> hateball: I need only editor that will open Photoshop PSD, I watched video there people use GIMP
[08:41] <ducasse> then try gimp, see if/how well it works
[08:43] <Neo3> ducasse: it's supported psd
[08:43] <Neo3> http://storage4.static.itmages.com/i/17/1127/h_1511772200_1275153_ca8f69bd2a.png
[08:45] <Neo3> of course for designers who well know photoshop it's not suit, but I don't know photoshop, only get from psd sometimes images and squeeze image sizes "save for web"
[08:45] <ducasse> Neo3: please stop posting screenshots when they're not necessary
[08:45] <Neo3> ok
[08:48] <Neo3> what terminal is better use?
[08:48] <Neo3> in video I saw there people use 'terminator'
[08:48] <Neo3> but I like more old
[08:49] <ducasse> depends what you like and need
[08:49] <Neo3> and what something for ssh, in windows I use pussy
[08:50] <ducasse> for ssh you just use a terminal and the normal openssh client
[08:50] <Neo3> ducasse: dont know still, see in windows for edit and record video I use camtasio studio, and now I can record  video in linux save file to common disc, reboot in vindows and continue use camtasio.... The same with photoshop
[08:53] <Neo3> common disc accessible for windows and for ubuntu. Yesterday I though put my passwords to google disc and then load in ubunty, today tried specify path to old file and all my password started work.
[08:53] <Neo3> Shortly all my disc data accessible, in both OS ) I though will only 20Gb accessible.
[09:02] <Neo3> I guested where tor disappeared, he places to firefox icon
[09:02] <Neo3> all right work
[09:51] <vahe1> I use ALSA for sound , but in the morning no sound, can you help me to understand why?  I don't know where to start checking
[09:54] <TaZeR> vahe1: are you sure its not muted?
[09:55] <vahe1> TaZeR: https://lut.im/niW9pfhsik/aSklgM8sR00Zqd4m.png
[09:56] <vahe1> https://lut.im/qri10KTOBy/O0wN249H33XdH6jK.png
[10:07] <Neo3> how get all directories in correct way
[10:07] <Neo3> I use it $ ls -d */
[10:09] <spajderix> I have a freshly reinstalled PC with ubuntu 17.10. Whenever I play anything I can hear high pitched clicks at random intervals. When I've switched output from pulse to alsa on music player (deadbeef) the problem goes away. Did not have this issue on 16.04. Any ideas on how to fix this?
[10:10] <Thunder_Tw> Neo3: $ ls -d [path]   should do it, a path is optional. If you want to research your options do $man ls
[10:12] <Neo3> Thunder_Tw: ls -d doesn't work, I tired, with */ only work
[10:13] <Ben64> Neo3: what exactly are you trying to do
[10:13] <Thunder_Tw> Neo3:  yeah i've been playing on OpenComputers a bit too much.
[10:13] <Neo3> Ben64: create file in apache2/available-sites
[10:13] <Ben64> Neo3: uh, how does that relate to listing directories
[10:13] <Neo3> I try to navigate to that folder
[10:13] <Ben64> cd /etc/apache2/sites-available
[10:14] <Neo3> Ben64: I want navigate there and create file
[10:15] <alkisg> Neo3: find . -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type d
[10:15] <alkisg> Eh, sorry, I didn't read the context after the initial question. Yeah, cd and <tab> for autocomplete is fine :)
[10:15] <Neo3> Ben64: I want to create file subdomain.example.com.conf ?
[10:16] <Neo3> alkisg: find / -type f -name file_name.txt
[10:17] <Ben64> Neo3: could be called anything really
[10:19] <Thunder_Tw> Neo3:  $ ls -D [path]      with a capital D seems to be used on Ubuntu, my mistake.
[10:20] <Neo3> Thunder_Tw: no doesn't work -d and -D, only  ls -d */
[10:22] <alkisg> Neo3: ls -d */ is the same as echo */, it's handled by bash, not by ls
[10:22] <alkisg> Find is the correct command to find files or directories
[10:23] <Neo3> understood
[10:31] <Neo3> alkisg: see if we're doing */ we don't get list dirs, should do with ls -d */
[10:32] <Neo3> if we do*
[10:32] <Neo3> we won't get
[10:33] <alkisg> Neo3: echo */
[10:33] <alkisg> Lists dirs
[10:33] <alkisg> Neo3: anyway, gotta go, good luck
[10:33] <Neo3> alkisg: well, bye
[10:36] <mar77i> I think I misconfigured my zesty; it's a qemu guest here and connects to the internet through NAT. I have this weird thing where I can dig domain, ping remote ip but not ping domain...
[10:38] <mar77i> this is just weird. so 8.8.8.8 and 208.67.222.222 work, but the nameservers I have on my host (including 192.168.122.1 which is my host) don't...
[10:41] <ltx128> the guest nat is most likely not on the same subnet
[10:41] <Ben64> how is that weird? dns servers work as dns servers but your computer doesn't?
[10:48] <mar77i> the guest net is 192.168.122*
[10:49] <mar77i> so why would those mainstream servers work?
[10:50] <Ben64> because they are functioning dns servers?
[10:50] <mar77i> and why is dns on my host working?
[10:52] <mar77i> I'm not exactly sure I'm able to find out what the problem is.
[10:53] <Ben64> i don't think i understand your question
[10:53] <ThinkT510> mar77i: describe what you expect to be happening
[11:04] <mar77i> I expect ping google.com and system upgrade (because the *.archive.ubuntu.com cannot be found) to work with the same resolv.conf as on the host, or at least find out how I can figure out why it doesn't.
[11:04] <erio> hey
[11:04] <erio> I am on 16.04
[11:04] <erio> Ubuntu 16.04
[11:04] <erio> Unity
[11:04] <erio> I have a command running as root for quite some time: updatedb.mlocat
[11:04] <erio> it's making my cpu hot as it's using a core at 100%
[11:04] <hellimod> Honestly this nickserv script used by the drone is completely broken
[11:04] <erio> is this command necessary?
[11:04] <erio> is there anything on the pc that uses the locate command? (maybe unity)
[11:04] <respawn1> hey guys. I'm getting DNS leaks on Ubuntu 17.10 using a VPN. Any advice on dealing with it would be appreciated
[11:04] <mar77i> ThinkT510: was that detailed enough?
[11:05] <ltx128> respawn1: lennart poettering, pbuh, hails that systemd-resolved shall be hard-wired to use 8.8.8.8 if the dns server you want to use takes too long to respond
[11:06] <mar77i> ltx128: you just helped me solve my problem. of course.
[11:07] <mar77i> thanks for making me aware of my lennart-radar
[11:07] <respawn1> ltx128: far be it for me to question the almighty poettering
[11:10] <mar77i> ...so I disabled systemd-resolved, added my opennic resolvers and it's working...
[11:11] <mar77i> even across reboots. which is nice.
[11:11] <ltx128> it was unpleasant learning the idiosyncrasies of dnsmasq.. going through this fun all again :D
[11:13] <respawn1> mar77i: did disabling systemd-resolved.service without opennic work?
[11:15] <mar77i> respawn1: well you do have to add a valid nameserver to resolv.conf, which the gateway can probably do (virtual machine host or isp router)
[11:16] <mar77i> I'm not saying the problem is blond and gawky, but sometimes he's making it hard to think otherwise.
[11:16] <respawn1> mar77i: thanks. will try it out
[11:17] <Neo3> guy if I place in bin folder file with name sites and put there #cd /var/www/ , I get www folder?
[11:18] <mar77i> respawn1: be aware that you have to manage resolv.conf now, because otherwise that service should have managed it for you.
[11:18] <respawn1> mar77i: understood (albeit frustratingly)
[11:18] <Neo3> in from any place? As I understand in bin folder places all files that run with one string in terminal
[11:19] <respawn1> I can't believe these sorts of issues are still present in 2017
[11:20] <mar77i> the caged init experience appears to be here to stay.
[11:20] <mar77i> that is we should probably report more bugs
[11:22] <mar77i> respawn1: having mentioned opennic though, taking control over one's dns resolving is sure better than telling google or some other company one hop away from the government where you go search for porn.
[11:26] <respawn1> mar77i:yup, been using opennic for a while on my own machine
[11:27] <Neo3> I create /bin/test and put there this row #! echo hello, saved and called $ test and nothing happen
[11:27] <frib> i'm suddenly having trouble displayng pages properly in firefox, especially text. Anyone know of this problem?
[11:28] <mar77i> Neo3: read up on how shebangs work
[11:28] <Neo3> mar77i: I'll do
[11:28] <mar77i> the first line should probably be some variation of #!/bin/bash
[11:28] <Neo3> for run bush I saw it
[11:29] <Neo3> #! /bin/bash
[11:29] <Neo3> echo hello
[11:29] <Neo3> Well,
[11:29] <mar77i> do you really need that space?
[11:30] <donkeykon>  My disk is full and I've tried to delete a massive 38Gb log file, however Syslog-NG currently has the file open.  I've tried to restart the syslog-ng service but that fails.  What's my next step?
[11:30] <mar77i> also, /bin/test in particular is probably occupied by an implementation of the builtin with the same name. you should create your own ~/src/bash/test and run it from ~/src/bash as ./test
[11:32] <Neo3> ~/src and in this folder every files will available from terminal only use one string?
[11:32] <Neo3> !# /bin/bush
[11:32] <Neo3> echo 'hello'
[11:32] <Neo3> Doesn't work
[11:33] <mar77i> 12:29 < mar77i> do you really need that space? << I asked because I'm not sure you're allowed to add a space after the !. that said, you probably need to make it executable too: chmod +x test
[11:34] <Ben64> Neo3: what exactly are you trying to do
[11:34] <mar77i> also keep in mind that you are usually advised not to have . in the path, that means you have to specifically add a relative path ./test or an absolute path ~/src/test
[11:34] <Neo3> Ben64: run first scrip for example
[11:34] <Neo3> just trying how it work
[11:35] <Neo3> I'll do it later
[11:35] <Neo3> well
[11:35] <mar77i> Neo3: I expect you to tell me what about the last two lines you tried.
[11:36] <Neo3> mar77i: do like we put in terminal 'echo hello and we'll get hello
[11:36] <Neo3> it's terminal comman echo
[11:37] <Neo3> I thought that script like terminal
[11:37] <mar77i> no, it's a shell command. and that same shell comes with a built-in test command that will probably run instead of /bin/test
[11:37] <mar77i> or ./test, but I hope you haven't tried to make that work.
[11:38] <Neo3> yes I won't, Do it later,
[11:39] <Neo3> mar77i: much info http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_02_01.html
[11:40] <mar77i> to give you a piece of advice that might change the course of your life: join #bash and get off tldp. :)
[11:41] <Neo3> I don't know what it is
[11:41] <mar77i> quote from that channel: "The TLDP bash guides are outdated, and in some cases just plain wrong."
[11:41] <Neo3> I'll configure LAMP
[11:41] <Neo3> understood
[11:42] <Neo3> I tired this commands rm, mkdir, rm -r dir, touch filename
[11:42] <Neo3> for file name we use touch
[11:43] <Neo3> I tired this sudo vim test and vim not run
[11:43] <Neo3> in ubuntu all use nano?
[11:43] <Neo3> everybody use nano in ubuntu?
[11:44] <Neo3> mar77i: see I'll manage VPS using SSH, what editor I should use?
[11:44] <mar77i> you can use whatever you want. but you are required to minimally know your way around the cli or graphical package manager. :)
[11:45] <Neo3> wlll, understood, it's personal preferences...
[11:45] <Neo3> I'll use nano
[11:51] <backtrack_> hello
[11:51] <backtrack_> 0% [Connecting to 192.168.10.254 (192.168.10.254)]
[11:51] <backtrack_> what the hell apt is still using a proxy?
[11:51] <backtrack_> very nervous problem
[11:51] <backtrack_> i do not have any /etc/apt/apt.conf
[12:00] <ajhansen> Hi guys, how do I upgrade from 16.04 LTS server to 17.10 server?
[12:04] <ezra-s> ajhansen: afaik you can't unless you touch things manually and with uncertain consecuences, as in you can upgrade from LTS to LTS but if you jump from LTS to non-LTS you have to go version by version, someone please correct me if I'm wrong
[12:05] <EriC^^> ajhansen: type suo nano /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and make sure Prompt=normal then run sudo do-release-upgrade
[12:05] <EriC^^> *sudo nano
[12:06] <ajhansen> EriC^^: okay cool. Also thanks ezra-s - but will this have weird consequences?
[12:06] <Guest81985> Hi All. I had 16.04 and was getting really slow screen refresh over VNC with no CPU usage. I decided to update to 17.10 to try to fix it, and now the VNC server doesn't seem to work at all. In the process, I also removed ubuntu-desktop, unity, and replaced with ubuntu-gnome-desktop . Can anyone give me an idea of where to start?
[12:08] <EriC^^> ajhansen: oh i just remembered, you wont get to 17.10 i think, it'll jump to 17.04 then you'll have to upgrade again to get 17.10 (which will become unsupported in july 2018)
[12:13] <ezra-s> ajhansen: unexpected errors while upgrading? version conflicts? not too long ago you should just change /etc/apt/sources.list do apt-get update then upgrade then dist-upgrade and reboot, you are welcome to try and let us how it worked for you :)
[12:14] <ajhansen> ezra-s: okay ill give it a shot :)
[12:14] <ajhansen> esra-s: I'll let ya know in a bit
[12:16] <ajhansen> ezra-s: it's just a private dev server so it's not that important
[12:17] <ezra-s> ajhansen: probably you would spend less time making a new install hehe
[12:17] <ajhansen> yeah but if I could avoid setting nginx up again I'd be nice.. I know there's a risk still but well :P
[12:18] <ajhansen> ezra-s: it could be nice to know if it's worth the time :)
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:19] <ajhansen> BluesKaj: howdy :)
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Hi ajhansen
[12:22] <EriC^^> ajhansen: ezra-s dont change /etc/apt/sources.list and dist-upgrade , it's known to break ubuntu (or so people say that), it's different than debian's approach to release upgrading
[12:22] <EriC^^> do-release-upgrade is the ubuntu way ™
[12:23] <ajhansen> EriC^^: do-release-upgrade asks to change sources.list to zesty itself.. so I really see no need for changing it manually
[12:23] <EriC^^> ajhansen: ah right, since 16.10 is eol you need to do that and then run do-release-upgrade
[12:23] <EriC^^> !eolupgrades | ajhansen
[12:23] <ezra-s> EriC^^: yes, that's what I tried to say when I mentioned "unexpected results", probably not the best way
[12:24] <ajhansen> I changed /etc/update-manager/release-upgrade to Prompt=normal and it's running now - so far so good
[12:25] <ezra-s> EriC^^: can you confirm if he can do 16.04 -> 17.10 jump directly?
[12:25] <ajhansen> You can't it seems
[12:25] <ajhansen> it jumps to 16.10 first
[12:25] <ezra-s> alrighty then, that confirms it
[12:25] <ajhansen> so i probabply have to run it 3 times in total
[12:25] <BluesKaj> ajhansen, hope you updated/upgraded your existing packages first
[12:26] <ajhansen> 16.04=>16.10=>17.04=>17.10
[12:26] <ajhansen> they we're fully updated
[12:26] <ajhansen> :)
[12:26] <BluesKaj> good
[12:26] <EriC^^> ajhansen: you shouldn't have to change any sources.list to upgrade to 16.10 i think
[12:26] <ajhansen> EriC^^: i didn't, but do-release-upgrade did
[12:26] <EriC^^> oh ok
[12:27] <BluesKaj> no need to change the sources.list m do-release-upgrade takes care of that
[12:27] <EriC^^> honestly i think you'd be better off with a fresh install
[12:27] <ajhansen> BluesKaj: exactly
[12:27] <ajhansen> it actually asks if you want to
[12:27] <ajhansen> :P
[12:27] <EriC^^> it would be way easier
[12:28] <ezra-s> and would take less time indeed :)
[12:28] <ezra-s> ajhansen: for future reference it is good to have a separate /home filesystem, so you can just re-install everything and you can keep all your data you need there or in a backup directory
[12:29] <ajhansen> ezra-s: duely noted, I'm not at all expirenced but I see your point - I'm just concerned that I'll run out of space on one partition
[12:30] <ajhansen> EriC`^^: probabply will due to the separation of filesystems
[12:32] <ezra-s> ajhansen: LVM can help you resize your partitions if you run out of space in one, and there is enough free space in disk to assign. But you can go super simple and assign a lot to / and the rest for /home (not mentioning swap or any other you may need like /boot/efi)
[12:35] <ajhansen> ezra-s: its a Linode VPS
[12:51] <ajhansen> ezra-s: When changing from LTS to normal releases it upgrades to the first normal at first, second time it skips 17.04 apparently
[12:53] <ezra-s> ajhansen: oh, nice
[12:54] <ajhansen> I will do a complete install in a few days to get the partitions separated but that's also since I get a dedicated server by then
[13:29] <Chilestuff> Greetings all
[13:30] <Chilestuff> I just installed Ubuntu a couple weeks ago and so far loving it!
[13:30] <j4g0> hiho, i am trying to mount a network share to /mnt/share and symlink it to tow different user's desktops who should each be able to read/write(/execute). In /etc/fstab i am using the credentials option + uid and gid of the first user. The second user was added to the first users group for testing purposes. file permissions in the symlinked folder on user2's desktop show that user1 (who is the owner uid=1001) can read/write, but user2 can only read the
[13:30] <j4g0> files (-rwxr-xr-x 1 1001 1001). I was wondering what i'd have to do to make it 775 instead of 755
[13:30] <Chilestuff> But being an orphan of winblows, some things are unfamiliar
[13:31] <Chilestuff> Is there any way to use quickbooks thru an imulator or such?
[13:32] <Chilestuff> That one program is the only thing keeping windows on my other laptop
[13:34] <j4g0> Chilestuff, hi, ppl who run windows software on linux more often than not use wine to do so, see https://www.winehq.org/
[13:35] <Chilestuff> Thanks
[13:36] <adrian_1908> Chilestuff: Not sure how representative this is: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=120
[13:37] <adrian_1908> I'd see if there's a wine IRC channel or forum and ask about other experiences before giving up on that idea!
[13:37] <Chilestuff> hmm
[13:37] <Chilestuff> Fighures
[13:38] <Chilestuff> Gold or better for all but the one I have  :/
[13:38] <adrian_1908> Which version do you have?
[13:38] <Chilestuff> 2013 pro
[13:39] <adrian_1908> The sample size is VERY small and Wine itself might have undergone changes, hence my recommendation to ask around (regardless).
[13:39] <Chilestuff> Good idea either way
[13:40] <Chilestuff> I think I have wine already, at least for games
[13:40] <Chilestuff> Well if there is a wine channel it ain't named #wine  :)
[13:41]  * Chilestuff would try whine, but won't risk running into my ex wife
[13:42]  * j4g0 offers cheese
[13:42] <adrian_1908> Chilestuff: #winehq
[13:42] <Chilestuff> Thanks
[13:44] <Chilestuff> Guess I shoulda looked at the links closer
[13:44] <adrian_1908> Of course, if you have the hardware for it (i.e. plenty storage and a capable CPU), you could consider running a Virtual Machine in Ubuntu and hence keep Windows around that way for those tasks that need it.
[13:46] <Chilestuff> I heard wine did a better job
[13:46] <Chilestuff> And honestly QB is the only windows app I haven't found a replacement for in Ubuntu
[13:46] <Chilestuff> Of course, I should take more time to get familiar with Ubuntu
[13:47] <adrian_1908> Yeah ok, in that case it might be overkill. A virtual machine doesn't have the shortcomings of Wine, since you're effectively running full Windows, so compatibility is less of a concern.
[13:47] <Chilestuff> What is the command to install new software?
[13:47]  * Chilestuff forgets
[13:47] <hateball> Chilestuff: there's KMyMoney for accounting stuff otherwise
[13:47] <snpresent> 大家好啊
[13:48] <hateball> Chilestuff: If it does all you require, that I do not know
[13:48] <Chilestuff> Well I was going to for games, but have found linux versions of all my favs
[13:48] <adrian_1908> If you want to stick to the command-line, the package manager "apt" is used, e.g. `apt search wine`
[13:48] <Chilestuff> hateball, can you convert QB files or import?
[13:49] <adrian_1908> Otherwise, I think there's a Software Center and the tool "aptitude" for installing/managing packages.
[13:49]  * Chilestuff has spent a buttload of money for a bookeeper to keep QB updated ... hate to start all over
[13:50] <hateball> Chilestuff: I dont know. I only used it for personal finance, and I havent ever used quickbooks
[13:50] <hateball> Chilestuff: it's free to install and test for yourself tho
[13:51] <hateball> Chilestuff: There is also GNUCash but I havent used that myself
[13:51] <adrian_1908> The way I see it, before you annoy yourself with reboots or using an extra machine, install Windows on a virtual machine and get it over with, even if that's 10GB of Windows just just one program.
[13:51] <Chilestuff> wht is the supueruser? (is that right?) command
[13:51] <adrian_1908> sudo
[13:52] <Chilestuff> That's i!
[13:52] <Chilestuff> Is there a tutorial for newbs to learn that stuff?
[13:53] <Chilestuff> Can you reccomend a quality VM?
[13:53] <adrian_1908> If you mean VM, just install VirtualBox, the user interface was pretty self-explanatory the last time i tried it. Regarding the commands, I don't know. I just searched the web and asked around I guess.
[13:54] <jluc> hello
[13:54] <Chilestuff> Then I guess I'm in the right place  :)
[13:56] <Chilestuff> hmm
[13:56] <Chilestuff> Not finding Virtual Box in software
[13:57] <adrian_1908> Chilestuff: Try in one word, withou the space.
[13:57] <Chilestuff> what category would it be in?
[13:58] <adrian_1908> You can use the command line too, i.e. `sudo apt update && sudo apt -y install virtualbox`
[13:58] <Chilestuff> Doh!
[13:58] <Chilestuff> Guess I could use "search"  :/
[13:59] <adrian_1908> Chilestuff: Here's a video to give you an idea how VirtualBox looks, I found it very user friendly, though I haven't used it in years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psj-UlmaCA0
[13:59] <Chilestuff> apt is what?
[13:59] <Chilestuff> In the commands line
[14:00] <adrian_1908> The package manager of Ubuntu (Debian)
[14:00] <adrian_1908> You can use it to install/update/remove software.
[14:01] <Chilestuff> Thanks
[14:02] <adrian_1908> For many commands, you can type `man <command>`, e.g. `man ls` to get some information on it.
[14:03] <Chilestuff> Well, off to work
[14:03] <Chilestuff> Thanks for the help
[14:03] <adrian_1908> No problem, hope you get things to work.
[14:04] <enthus1ast> hi, where would you place an autostart for an xinput line?
[14:05] <enthus1ast> i am totally lost since this systemd thing...
[14:06] <Moopz> So I "accidentally" uninstalled python3.. and I cannot reinstall it. I get this when I try to: https://pastebin.com/EvZaAiKS
[14:06] <adrian_1908> Moopz: Which Ubuntu version?
[14:07] <Moopz> 16.04
[14:07] <adrian_1908> Does plain `apt-get -f install` work, as suggested by the error?
[14:07] <jluc> i used to use "Drawers" to add a menu with shortcuts toward files and folders in the launcher bar
[14:08] <jluc> do you know what new tool does that with ubuntu 17.10 ?
[14:09] <adrian_1908> Moopz: also may want to try `sudo apt -y full-upgrade`
[14:09] <Moopz> Hmm ok that worked, silly me.
[14:10] <Moopz> Now I'm back to my original error though. When I do: "/usr/bin/pkg-config --atleast-version=3.5 python3" it returns 1, instead of 0, even though when I do: "python3 --version" I get "Python 3.5.2"
[14:11] <Moopz> It should return 0 though
[14:19] <adrian_1908> Strange. `which python3` is /usr/bin/python3, yes?
[14:20] <j4g0> if i type "which python" "/usr/bin/python3" is what i get, yes
[14:22] <adrian_1908> ^ Sorry, I meant Moopz. Not sure what the issue could be regarding version comparison.
[14:22] <j4g0> i am sorry, i am just confused today
[14:22] <adrian_1908> Without context, my comments could have been a question no doubt.
[14:25] <Moopz> adrian_1908: Yeah, /usr/bin/python3
[14:28] <adrian_1908> Moopz: Sorry, I got nothing. Do you need Python 3.5 as a dependency or why the test?
[14:29] <Moopz> adrian_1908: Yeah, a submodule I have has 3.5 as a depedency.
[14:33] <jluc> No more drag'n'drop for files and folders in nautilus ???
[14:41] <mar77i> does ubuntu usually endless-loop in the update process or is my virtual machine gues special
[14:41] <mar77i> *guest
[14:48] <mar77i> okay, my stuff is special. dpkg-configure -a or something after reboot appears to have done the trick
[15:03] <restia> hi guys
[15:03] <restia> I want to fix my sound card issus
[15:03] <restia> plz help me...
[15:04] <skinux> I used dd to create a backup image. Can that backup image to turned into a bootable installation image?
[15:05] <restia> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5c5d742772f24c5b95ea244771baff50
[15:05] <restia> this is my system info and
[15:05] <hateball> restia: What's the issue?
[15:05] <restia> I can't listen any sound...lol
[15:05] <restia> my sound card is
[15:06] <restia> Creative Labs Sound Core3D [Sound Blaster Recon3D / Z-Series]
[15:06] <restia> this
[15:06] <restia> Sound Blaster Z
[15:06] <restia> hateball: please help me...
[15:06] <Anticom> Hi all. I'm trying to get into flex/bison. I've found this (https://www.gnu.org/software/bison/manual/html_node/A-Complete-C_002b_002b-Example.html) tutorial which says that the examples can be found at ".../bison/examples/calc++". However since i've installed bison via apt i dunno where to look for the examples directory
[15:07] <Mathisen> Anticom, just look for it with find or locate
[15:07] <jer> Anticom, this may be wrong, but check under the /usr/share hierarchy if it's somewhere under there... alternatively, just pull down the bison source and check it out in there =]
[15:07] <jer> yeah using find... find /usr/share -name "bison" -type d
[15:07] <Anticom> Mathisen: dpkg-query --listfiles bison | grep examples didn't yield anything
[15:08] <jer> then grab the bison source and check out those examples locally
[15:08] <Anticom> k
[15:08] <jer> easier
[15:08] <Anticom> thought i could avoid it somehow
[15:08] <jer> it's not huge by any means =]
[15:09] <Anticom> jer: my concerns are more about version compatibility. I'd like to keep the installed bison version and the examples in sync
[15:09] <Anticom> so they don't break when i look at them later
[15:09] <Anticom> bummer that there's no bison-examples package etc.
[15:10] <hateball> restia: looks like it probably has no proper support judging by this thread https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2326126
[15:10] <jer> Anticom, to be fair, bison hasn't changed in any significant way in years
[15:11] <jer> but understandable
[15:11] <Anticom> jer: another concern would be that the examples would be removed if i uinstalled bison. I just switched to ubuntu as my primary OS and i want to do things right now and as a consequence might be a bit too careful ;)
[15:11] <Anticom> i'll just grab the sources
[15:13] <jer> i'm more of a "do what needs to be done" kind of person which means, i tend to be less tidy with my filesystem =] sorry
[15:15] <tomreyn> Anticom: https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/all/bisonc++-doc/filelist
[15:15] <tomreyn> examples usually go into doc packages
[15:16] <alexas> any success I can face running ArchiCAD on Ubuntu?
[15:16] <Anticom> tomreyn: https://media.giphy.com/media/VOPK1BqsMEJRS/giphy.gif
[15:16] <alexas> through virtualization, I guess...
[15:17] <cuddlesquid> is apt-get same as apt, apt-get update or apt update
[15:18] <restia> hateball: ohh...anyway, thanks for your support
[15:18] <hateball> restia: well there seemed to be a patch in that thread but... yeah you'd need to know what you're doing to build your own modules
[15:18] <Neo3> I've got new domain http://american-chat.ru
[15:18] <Neo3> Want put on digitalochean and create chat
[15:19] <hateball> restia: You can always file a !bug if there isnt one on launchpad already
[15:19] <hateball> !bug | restia
[15:19] <tomreyn> cuddlesquid: the 'apt' command is a (relatively) newly introduced, more simple frontend. it should not be used in scripts. the 'apt-get' command is the more versatile, more complex, one, which can be scripted.
[15:21] <restia> hateball: hmm...ok
[15:22] <restia> hateball: but... I'm not programmer... I'm computer engineer lol
[15:25] <cuddlesquid> tomreyn, thanks
[15:25] <cuddlesquid> tomreyn, best to stick with apt-get
[15:26] <Neo3> see guys, I've found apply shell programming, for example we can run using php shall script and got some data from internet and put users, we can determine server using linux app whois and put data users
[15:26] <nicomachus> restia: you don't have to be a programmer to file a bug report.
[15:26] <Neo3> and any other app, can use maybe google translator. using curl
[15:28] <Neo3> I think shall language worse learn, it gives opportunity to create real powerful web service
[15:28] <nicomachus> Neo3: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[15:28] <Neo3> no
[15:28] <tomreyn> !ot | Neo3
[15:29] <nicomachus> Neo3: then please find another channel. This channel is Ubuntu support only.
[16:12] <LordDoskias> hello, i installed apache-fop via the fop package but when i try to run it i get: /usr/bin/fop: 304: exec: /usr/local/java/jdk1.8.0_131/bin/java: not found
[16:12] <LordDoskias> my java is actually /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java
[16:34] <jrabbit> is bumblebee or primus officially preferred for optimus systems?
[16:34] <jrabbit> I didn't have prime as an option on my last install
[16:34] <vimart> Hello everybody
[16:36] <Xano> Hiya! I just upgraded from 16.10 to 17.10, and am looking for the same keyboard layout I had in 16.10 with GNOME, which is US International, with a euro sign on the 5, and AltGr dead keys. There are "English (international AltGr dead keys)" and "English (US, with euro on 5)", which seem identical and do most of what I need, but AltGr+shift+6+e does not produce an "ê", for instance, and AltGr+tm does not produce "™". What's the layout I'm looking for?
[16:38] <oerheks> jrabbit, prime is current, with nvidia
[16:38] <nicomachus> Xano: you could just set those manually.
[16:46] <Xano> nicomachus, Those are examples of the layout I'm looking for. There are other shortcuts I'm used to that don't immediately come to mind :)
[16:55] <Hyouchuu> hallo o/
[16:57] <winmutt> howdy
[16:57] <vimart> Hello Hyouchuu
[16:58] <winmutt> ive got a problem when i am on openvpn client where my default route keeps getting reset by something, i am guessing network manager
[16:58] <winmutt> rigth now ive got a while loop readding the route :(
[17:00] <Hyouchuu> vimart: Hello, do you sell the ability to quit?
[17:00] <Hyouchuu> ha ha.... >.>
[17:01] <nicomachus> >ask question
[17:01] <nicomachus> >wait 2 mins
[17:01] <nicomachus> >leave
[17:01] <nicomachus> ok.
[17:04] <winmutt> howdie. im having probs when im on openvpnclient with some helpful soul trying to change my default gw and wrecking my connection
[17:05] <winmutt> right now ive got a while loop pinning my default gw back to where it should be
[17:05] <winmutt> im guessing this is network manager making my life fun, but dont know and dont know how to fix
[17:05] <Uzzi> hi, I've a nas joined samba4 dc,linux client joined samba4 dc. On client i want to login 2 domain user. Authetication works fine, now I want to mount user1 shares on login (by ath credential) and user2 different shared dir on login
[17:05] <nicomachus> winmutt: yes we saw that, but then you left before anyone could answer
[17:06] <winmutt> ya sorry about that, like i said im hahving problems :)
[17:07] <winmutt> new laptop as well and touchpad is overly sensitive sometimes, causing things like windows to close randomly
[17:08] <Hyouchuu> winmutt: I assumed your connection got wrecked :P
[17:08] <Fenster> hey guys, how do I remove something from ubuntu pastebin?
[17:08] <nicomachus> Fenster: this isn't the right channel for that... I honestly don't even know who manages it.
[17:10] <winmutt> any suggestions on my routing issues? network manager has always been a mystery to me.
[17:11] <winmutt> until i connect to vpn, everything seems ok
[17:12] <mustmodify> I'm having an issue. I have had it before but can't **quite** remember the steps to resolve. It starts with "the following packages have unmet dependencies: blah blah" and ends with either updating the kernel or some other low-level OS thing because the place where such things are stored is out of space.
[17:12] <mustmodify> but that's all I remember.
[17:13] <mustmodify> So (a) what's the fix and (b) how do I stop this from happening in the future?
[17:13] <nicomachus> winmutt: I've been seeing a similar issue on my HTPC at home lastly, so I'm waiting as well.
[17:14] <nicomachus> mustmodify: can you paste the full output of 'sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade' to a pastebin and link it here please?
[17:15] <mustmodify> nicomachus: https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/991ef908cb98e0b9c6957913040547e1
[17:19] <Jynxie> I am having this issue with ubuntu 17.10 where my ssh sessions will be terminated (broken pipe) this is not due to the internet connection but the OS
[17:19] <Jynxie> what could this be
[17:22] <nicomachus> mustmodify: and did you try 'apt -f install'?
[17:22] <mustmodify> no, that hasn't worked in the past. But I'm happy to try it if you want.
[17:22] <jwash> hi everyone, i've got a usb/wifi dongle which was pretty hard to find a good driver for. I got it working, but only through compiling and installing the driver myself. Is there interest in me making an official package for it?
[17:23] <nicomachus> mustmodify: looks like that Yarn package doesn't have an install candidate for Ubuntu.
[17:24] <mustmodify> nicomachus: https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/991ef908cb98e0b9c6957913040547e1
[17:24] <mustmodify> updated gist with `apt-get install -f`
[17:24] <mustmodify> says drive is out of space
[17:24] <mustmodify> not my primary drive.
[17:25] <nicomachus> mustmodify: `ls /boot`
[17:25] <mustmodify> added
[17:25] <nicomachus> mustmodify: you're pretty far behind on the kernel, too.
[17:26] <nicomachus> mustmodify: too many kernels filling up /boot. You need to remove some old ones.
[17:27] <nicomachus> mustmodify: remove all but the 2 most recent. You're a few versions behind, though, so keep removing until you can get up to date, then keep the two most recent. here that is -101 and -98
[17:27] <nicomachus> on 16.04
[17:28] <oerheks> apt autoremove
[17:28] <nicomachus> oerheks: may not work if /boot is full though. but definitely try it first mustmodify
[17:30] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:30] <nicomachus> o/ lotuspsychje
[17:34] <Younder> I use separate partions for var, tmp, home and /usr/local just in case. That makes backup easier as / is all packages anyways and shouldn't be installed from backup but by reinstalling the OS.
[17:35] <pavlos> mustmodify: remove a couple of OLD kernels from /boot manually, then 'apt autoremove' should work
[17:40] <oerheks> Younder, there are 2 ways, with a full backup you don't need internet to get back online, but preferrably would be the package list like this: dpkg --get-selections > installed-software
[17:40] <oerheks> https://wiki.debian.org/ListInstalledPackages
[17:40] <oerheks> or apt-clone
[17:44] <mustmodify> the kernels are a set of files with the same version like -81 ?
[17:46] <oerheks> linux-headers-xxx-generic, linux-headers-xxx and linux-image-xxx-generic
[17:47] <Younder> You need to manually then remove the oldest images and then rebuild grub manually
[17:48] <mustmodify> ok, updated that gist with my latest attempt.
[17:48] <oerheks> sudo update-grub after that indeed
[17:48] <pavlos> mustmodify: yes, there are groups of files, system.Map, config, initrd.img, vmlinuz
[17:48] <pavlos> mustmodify: ... and abi
[17:51] <Younder> https://www.amazon.com/How-Linux-Works-Superuser-Should/dp/1593270356 gives you the basics of what happens when linux starts up
[17:51] <mustmodify> So
[17:51] <mustmodify> that didn't seem to work.
[17:52] <mustmodify> boot is back up to 100% full.
[17:52] <prutheus> I have an ruby application running with gtk, and on ubuntu there is just a whole container missing ... just disappeared .. any idea?
[17:52] <prutheus> just happening on ubuntu
[17:52] <mustmodify> oh wait. You don't want me to remove from /boot, you want me to remove from /usr/src?
[17:52] <mustmodify> Even though that isn't full?
[17:53] <mustmodify> is that right?
[17:53] <pavlos> mustmodify: can you pastebin /boot (ls -l /boot | nc termbin.com 9999)
[17:53] <alkisg> mustmodify: if your /boot is full, the easiest way is to temporarily move it to the real file system, and after you finish updating etc, to put it back. Do you want instructions for that?
[17:54] <mustmodify> yes, that sounds fabulous.
[17:54] <alkisg> OK. sudo -i <enter> cp -a /boot /boot-new
[17:55] <alkisg> When that finishes, always under sudo, run: umount /boot; mv /boot /boot-old; mv /boot-new /boot; apt install -f
[17:55] <alkisg> Tell me if you see any errors at all.
[17:55] <mustmodify> pavios: previous: https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/991ef908cb98e0b9c6957913040547e1#file-gistfile4-txt, now: https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/991ef908cb98e0b9c6957913040547e1#file-gistfile6-txt
[17:55] <mustmodify> is sudo -i like sudo su?
[17:55] <alkisg> Yes, but more correct
[17:56] <alkisg> sudo su is a bad command
[17:56] <mustmodify> ok
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> !kernelcleanup | mustmodify
[17:56] <mustmodify> alkisg: can't unmount; target is busy.
[17:57] <EriC^^> mustmodify: cd / then do your thing
[17:57] <alkisg> mustmodify: possibly you have ran `cd /boot` in a terminal.
[17:57] <faekjarz> Hi, i'm looking for a RTL-8811AU a/b/g/n/ac wifi driver. (I didn't buy it yet, so no lsmod.) Since i've already found proof of existence via ddg, i'd now like to learn The Most Efficient Method™ ;-D to confirm that a driver for this [type of] device is available on my current install. …how would i do that? …grep /lib/firmware …grep */modules/* …probably not apt search …"<another command> search 8811" maybe …how do i list / search _
[17:57] <alkisg> mustmodify: for example, if you first run cd /boot; then sudo -i, you need to exit from sudo, and run cd /, and then run sudo -i again
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> !realtek | faekjarz
[17:58] <lotuspsychje> faekjarz: check also realteks website for latest linux drivers
[17:59] <pavlos> mustmodify: you could remove anything with 4.4.0-72 in /boot
[18:01] <mustmodify> yeah, I don't think I'm in it.
[18:01] <mustmodify> alkisg: I'm checking fuser, etc., but I don't see anything.
[18:01] <alkisg> mustmodify: to be sure, you can close all terminals, and open a new one. If you're sure, sudo lsof /boot tells you
[18:01] <mustmodify> `sudo lsof /boot` results in nothing.
[18:01] <mustmodify> I did that with the terminal.
[18:02] <mustmodify> should I restart and try again?
[18:02] <alkisg> mustmodify: and sudo umount /boot now tells you it's still in use?
[18:02] <mustmodify> yep
[18:02] <alkisg> If it's easy to restart, sure, do that, because something weird is going on and it's best to solve it even by rebooting
[18:03] <alkisg> mustmodify: mount | grep boot, does that return only /boot, or something more?
[18:04] <alkisg> e.g. efi...
[18:04] <faekjarz> lotuspsychje: thanks, but i already have sufficient (general) proof of driver existence …i'm sure i could compile it myself, if need be …however, this guide refers to Ubuntu 9.10, that's 2009 ;) …i'm sure there've been some changes in 16.x / 17.x
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> faekjarz: can you tell us your purpose exactly, new buy with realtek chipset?
[18:05] <alkisg> mustmodify: run umount /boot/efi first
[18:05] <mustmodify> @alkisg: https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/991ef908cb98e0b9c6957913040547e1#file-mount_grep_boot
[18:06] <alkisg> mustmodify: yeah, so no reboot needed, sorry I didn't know you have efi. Run umount /boot/efi first
[18:06] <mustmodify> Ah! that worked.
[18:07] <oerheks> faekjarz, as you didn buy it yet, buy a better supported wifi device, not realtek
[18:07] <mustmodify> so
[18:07] <mustmodify> mv /boot /boot-old; mv /boot-new /boot; apt install -f
[18:07] <mustmodify> ?
[18:07] <faekjarz> lotuspsychje: i'd like to find out whether i can actually use (should buy) that somewhat cheapest usb wifi dongle i've found in 16.x or newer
[18:07] <alkisg> mustmodify: right
[18:07] <alkisg> Stop on errors :)
[18:08] <mustmodify> yes
[18:10] <faekjarz> oerheks: why not realtek …you seem to have made a general advice against the manufacturer, rather than a specific chip(-set) …why …i mean, i've seen search results, pointing to github, for RTL-8811AU
[18:11] <oerheks> faekjarz, as realtek does not provide linux drivers
[18:11] <winmutt> howdie. im having probs when im on openvpnclient with some helpful soul trying to change my default gw and wrecking my connection, im guessing this is network manager but not sure what to do to fix it long term
[18:11] <mustmodify> @alkisg: That seems to have worked.
[18:11] <mustmodify> Now what?
[18:11] <alkisg> mustmodify: now try `apt purge --auto-remove`, to see if it removes the older kernels. Put the result to pastebin BEFORE pressing yes
[18:13] <faekjarz> oerheks: i don't really care who provides them, i'm on a very tight budget, and if there are _working_ drivers for a device, i'd buy it, regardless ODM support
[18:13] <mustmodify> https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/991ef908cb98e0b9c6957913040547e1#file-dangerous-purge
[18:14] <alkisg> mustmodify: do you need those node* packages? They seem to be left-overs...
[18:14] <faekjarz> lotuspsychje: sorry for not using the oxford comma: …i didn't find "in 16.x or newer", i've just found it, but i'd like to know how to search it in ubuntu
[18:14] <mustmodify> Well I'm not sure but I think not.
[18:14] <alkisg> mustmodify: good enough, they're not normally installed; press yes.
[18:15] <mustmodify> I feel like I'm on a roller-coaster
[18:15] <alkisg> Hehe
[18:15] <mustmodify> when this finishes either it'll crash or it'll have been good.
[18:15] <alkisg> That now is typical mainenance btw
[18:15] <alkisg> You no longer have space issues...
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> faekjarz: in most cases wifi just works in ubuntu
[18:15] <mustmodify> still purging
[18:16] <alkisg> mustmodify: in other words, remember that command, and use it montly.
[18:16] <alkisg> *monthly
[18:16] <mustmodify> purge?
[18:16] <alkisg> apt purge --auto-remove
[18:16] <mustmodify> k
[18:16] <Nitrigaur> Ubuntu 16.04 Somehow after an update my Window compositor started using my CPU rather than my GPU. How can I fix this? I'm running plain vanilla Ubuntu Desktop and dconf reset / did not restore this setting.
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: he can use the autoremove command proposal after updating system in terminal also right?
[18:17] <alkisg> lotuspsychje: sure, the main problem is his small /boot though, which shouldn't fill too often...
[18:17] <mustmodify> so if I reboot I'll go back to having a mounted /boot ?
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> Nitrigaur: are you up to date to latest .3?
[18:17] <Nitrigaur> I'm now in an i3 session, which does not have these issues, but on the same machine.
[18:17] <alkisg> mustmodify: *don't* reboot now, we have to put /boot back
[18:17] <mustmodify> oh ok.
[18:17] <mustmodify> ok it finished.
[18:17] <pavlos> mustmodify: paste your /boot contents again
[18:17] <alkisg> pavlos: not yet
[18:18] <Nitrigaur> lotuspsychje, .3? Well, The Update manager told me that there were no updates available, so my system is probably up-to date.
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> Nitrigaur: you can check with lsb_release -a
[18:18] <alkisg> mustmodify: so now: mv /boot /boot-new; mv /boot-old /boot; mount /boot; rm -rf /boot/*; cp -a /boot-new/* /boot; rm -rf /boot/efi/*; mount /boot/efi
[18:18] <alkisg> :D
[18:19] <mustmodify> https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/991ef908cb98e0b9c6957913040547e1#file-gistfile7-txt
[18:19] <alkisg> At that point, if you don't see any errors, you're ready to reboot
[18:19] <lotuspsychje> Nitrigaur: wich gpu chipset are you on?
[18:19] <mustmodify> @pavios: https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/991ef908cb98e0b9c6957913040547e1#file-gistfile7-txt
[18:20] <pavlos> mustmodify: so it kept the last 3 kernels ...
[18:20] <alkisg> pavlos: the 2 last kernels, and the running one
[18:20] <Nitrigaur> lotuspsychje, I can confirm that I run .3, I have an nVidia GPU using the propriatary driver from nVidia
[18:20] <alkisg> He's on an older kernel now
[18:20] <alkisg> Not on the latest
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> Nitrigaur: are you on best driver for your system? see the list with: ubuntu-drivers list
[18:22] <Nitrigaur> Yes, I'm using the latest (and hopefully) greatest driver by nVidia, but packaged by Canonical.
[18:22] <mustmodify> ok, all that seemed to work.
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> Nitrigaur: wich version would that be?
[18:22] <alkisg> mustmodify: ok, cross your fingers, reboot, and if it fails... boot with a live usb stick. I don't think it'll be needed. :)
[18:22] <Nitrigaur> lotuspsychje, 384
[18:23] <mustmodify> oh thanks.
[18:23] <alkisg> np
[18:23] <mustmodify> back on the roller-coaster.
[18:23] <Nitrigaur> lotuspsychje, or more complete: nvidia-384
[18:23] <lotuspsychje> Nitrigaur: wich driver did ubuntu use by default?
[18:24] <jollydutchman> On 17.10 with the default Gnome desktop, how can I change the default GDM session from Wayland to X?
[18:25] <Nitrigaur> lotuspsychje, the same, the driver was updated by the Ubuntu update process, not by a human action.
[18:25] <Nitrigaur> lotuspsychje, the detailed driver version is 384.90
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> kk
[18:25] <pavlos> jollydutchman: https://itsfoss.com/switch-xorg-wayland/
[18:26] <oerheks> logout/change/login
[18:27] <mustmodify> fun.
[18:27] <Nitrigaur> lotuspsychje, the GPU itsel is an Geforce GTX 1060 and the nvidia settings window does not detect any errors.
[18:27] <Nitrigaur> îtsel -> itself
[18:27] <mustmodify> it says: file /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-89-generic.efi.signed not found
[18:27] <mustmodify> alloc magic is broken at ...
[18:27] <mustmodify> aborted, press any key to exit
[18:28] <mustmodify> So I take it that's bad?
[18:28] <jollydutchman> pavlos: I know how to change sessions from the GDM greeter. I have auto login configured for my user account and I need to know how to persistently change the default session from Wayland to Xorg.
[18:29] <oerheks> disable autologin in useraccounts? then change and set it up again?
[18:29] <mustmodify> well it seems to be doing something now.
[18:29] <jollydutchman> Surely I can just edit one of the config files to get the desired behavior
[18:29] <oerheks> jollydutchman, nope.
[18:30] <jollydutchman> How about with dconf-editor?
[18:30] <pavlos> jollydutchman: https://askubuntu.com/questions/961304/how-do-you-switch-from-wayland-back-to-xorg-in-ubuntu-17-10
[18:31] <alkisg> mustmodify: did it boot?
[18:32] <oerheks> "WaylandEnable=false" is that a real solution?
[18:32] <jollydutchman> Meh. That's not necessarily a bad solution. But I don't need the Wayland session to be completely disabled, I just want the system to go into Xorg by default.
[18:32] <oerheks> all this trouble for a task of a few clicks..
[18:32] <mustmodify> @alkisg: it seemed to boot. It waited a minute or so after something about the mouse drivers.
[18:32] <mustmodify> So I'm not sure what that error was about.
[18:32] <alkisg> mustmodify: cool, try dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi-amd64 to fix any issues remaining
[18:33] <alkisg> (with sudo)
[18:33] <jollydutchman> Somewhat related question: Is there a single good reason to use Wayland instead of X? I can't even think of one
[18:34] <jollydutchman> The best feedback I've heard from reviewers on distributions that have switched to Wayland is that you usually won't notice the difference
[18:34] <oerheks> depending on hardware, yes.
[18:34] <jollydutchman> On the con side, I can't even use Synaptic. Is this a joke
[18:35] <mustmodify> Weird. It's still going on about optical mouse drivers.
[18:36] <jollydutchman> Which would be one thing if there was at least an error dialog or something telling you that it won't work with Wayland. But no, instead, popular applications that you can get from the Ubuntu Software Center will just refuse to launch with no explanation
[18:36] <akik> jollydutchman: you need to use xhost to give your root needing apps more privileges: xhost +si:localuser:root
[18:38] <Nitrigaur> Ubuntu 16.04, nVidia 384.90 After update my ubuntu-desktop uses software window compositing, which almost immediately pushes the CPU to 100%, which makes the system unusable. Any way to force compiz to use my GPU?
[18:38] <davidleon> what's the channel for vscode
[18:39] <oerheks> !alis
[18:39] <Nitrigaur> My i3 session does not suffer from this issue. It only arises when using the std. ubuntu-desktop.
[18:44] <jollydutchman> I have another issue as well. When I select shut down from the Gnome panel, my system always reboots after it goes down. Is there a way I can fix this?
[18:47] <ash_workz> is there a risk to installing postgresql-server-dev-X.Y ?
[18:47] <ash_workz> on a production server I mean
[18:49] <mustmodify> @alkisg: so it finished booting into initramfs
[18:50] <Nitrigaur> ash_workz, as a matter of principle you should only install what you really *need* on a production server. Any extra package can contain a security hole or an unexpected bug that compromises or bogs down your server.
[18:50] <mustmodify> I take it that's bad?
[18:51] <alkisg> mustmodify: yup, it's bad, any error messages?
[18:52] <ca_cabotage> hey all, i've got a 16.04 server with an encrypted home folder. It is showing that the entire 200GB /home/user/.Private folder is full - but the VM is showing only 111MB of disk in use. Given what I do on the server, and how long it's been up (only built it last night) there should certainly not be that much data in use - any siggestions on why this happenned and how to fix?
[18:53] <Nitrigaur> ca_cabotage, have you checked the number of inodes in use as well?
[18:54] <Nitrigaur> ca_cabotage, the volume might used up all it's available inodes on tiny files (hence the small space consumption)
[18:55] <Nitrigaur> ca_cabotage, what filesystem are you using for that encrypted volume?
[18:56] <ca_cabotage> i'm only at 8% on inodes
[18:57] <ash_workz> Nitrigaur: right, that's why I'm wary... I'm just getting desperate for a simple solution to getting a sample of an entire database
[18:57] <ash_workz> but my instincts in many ways tell me, "don't do that"
[18:58] <ash_workz> but I feel like with our lack of workflow, my hands are tied.
[18:58] <Nitrigaur> ash_workz, if you want to experiment, please make a backup beforehand, or if your filesystem supports it, a snapshot.
[18:59] <Nitrigaur> ash_workz, and keep it within the service window ;-)
[18:59] <ca_cabotage> its ext4
[19:00] <ca_cabotage> encryoted vol is ecryptfs
[19:01] <Nitrigaur> ca_cabotage, hmmm... Are you using VirtualBox as virtualisation method by any chance?
[19:02] <ca_cabotage> esxi
[19:02] <Nitrigaur> ca_cabotage, VMWare, ok. So it can't be an issue of an automatically growing volume then...
[19:04] <Nitrigaur> ca_cabotage, what was the exact error message stating that your drive was full?
[19:22] <Nitrigaur> Ubuntu 16.04, nVidia 384.90 After update my ubuntu-desktop uses software window compositing, which almost immediately pushes the CPU to 100%, which makes the system unusable. Any way to force compiz to use my GPU?
[19:23] <Nitrigaur> My i3 session does not suffer from this issue. It only arises when using the std. ubuntu-desktop.
[19:29] <BluesKaj> Nitrigaur, make sure you UEFI/BIOS is setup to use pci-e card/nvidia rather than the onboard cpu/gpu combo
[19:30] <Fenhl> hello! I'm setting up my first Ubuntu desktop, after having used debian for servers for a while, and I'm having trouble setting up command-not-found. On debian, there is an `update-command-not-found` command which can be run as a cronjob to update the command database. On Ubuntu, there is no such command. Does it have a different name? Or does Ubuntu update the database automatically?
[19:30] <Nitrigaur> BluesKaj, I'm not using a laptop, so that should not be an issue, or would it?
[19:31] <Nitrigaur> BluesKaj, besides, the onboard GPU is switched off in my EFI.
[19:32] <BluesKaj> Nitrigaur, if it's a desktop it might be the issue
[19:33] <BluesKaj> the cpu/gpu should not be handling the graphics
[19:34] <Nitrigaur> BluesKaj, I agree, but that's exactly why I turned it off in the EFI (modern variant of BIOS)
[19:35] <BluesKaj> yes, but if the EFI doesn't have your pci-e card enabled, graphics will automatically default to cpu/gpu
[19:37] <Nitrigaur> BluesKaj, my pci-e card *is* enabled, it is my only GPU card in my system. If it were not enabled, nvidia-settings would an error, which it doesn't.
[19:37] <mustmodify> @alkisg: Sorry, I got distracted.
[19:37] <BluesKaj> nope, think you had better check that \
[19:39] <Nitrigaur> BluesKaj, the output of lspci|grep VGA shows only one GPU detectable in my system.
[19:39] <mustmodify> @alkisg: https://photos.app.goo.gl/NFnHuKxwNDPQkTV53
[19:43] <mustmodify> Anyone have a suggestion of what I should do with this? "Target filesystem doesn't have requested /sbin/init": https://photos.app.goo.gl/NFnHuKxwNDPQkTV53
[19:43] <mustmodify> I'm at an "initramfs" prompt.
[19:44] <Nitrigaur> mustmodify, basically it means that the system cannot find the files it would expect to be on a root partition
[19:45] <mustmodify> So I guess it didn't work out when we redid the boot partition...
[19:45] <mustmodify> what should I do now/
[19:46] <Nitrigaur> mustmodify, you can edit the boot parameters so that the initial drive for root points to a partition of which you *know* that it contains the root filesystem
[19:48] <BluesKaj> Nitrigaur, then it seems we have a mystery on our hands, unless the performance option in the Nvidia card is set to a minimum
[19:50] <mustmodify> I was working on this chanel with @alkisg and we tried to fix an issue with /boot being full. But it seems like we f'd up things.
[19:50] <mustmodify> So do I reinstall?
[19:50] <mustmodify> ubuntu?
[19:50] <mustmodify> or like ...
[19:50] <mustmodify> what?
[19:51] <ca_cabotage> Nitrigaur: i didnt see an alerted message, my zoneminder just quit running saying that disk was @ 100%
[19:52] <ca_cabotage> Nitrigaur, so, i checked the VM where it said that only 110MB of the disk was in use, then df -H says that encrypted home directory is full, but nothing else is
[19:59] <alkisg> mustmodify: back
[20:00] <alkisg> The actual error is above the "cannot find" line, but it doesn't appear in the photo
[20:00] <alkisg> Do you have a live usb?
[20:00] <alkisg> Otherwise, you need to press "e" to edit grub.cfg, to properly point to / (root)
[20:03] <oerheks> did he upgrade-grub?
[20:06] <alkisg> I think update-grub was called while /boot wasn't mounted... this shouldn't really hurt with efi... so dunno
[20:12] <mustmodify> @alkisg: sorry.
[20:12] <mustmodify> back.
[20:12] <mustmodify> I do not have a live USB. Should I make one?
[20:13] <alkisg> mustmodify: nah, not really
[20:14] <mustmodify> ok. So then I'm at a prompt that says 'initramfs' what now?
[20:14] <alkisg> mustmodify: run lsblk, see which is your root device, e.g. /dev/sda2
[20:14] <mustmodify> lsblk: not found
[20:15] <alkisg> blkid
[20:18] <winmutt> howdie. im having probs when im on openvpnclient with some helpful soul trying to change my default gw and wrecking my connection, im guessing this is network manager but not sure what to do to fix it long term
[20:22] <mustmodify> @alkisg: https://photos.app.goo.gl/vBRHPSxpKzonAOkl1
[20:23] <alkisg> mustmodify: mount /dev/mapper/logopolis--vg-root /root
[20:24] <alkisg> (I'm guessing this is your root?)
[20:24] <mustmodify> well, let's see...
[20:25] <alkisg> mustmodify: after that, `ls /root` should show you /bin, /usr etc etc
[20:25] <mustmodify> I had two of them. I think logopolis-root was the old one.
[20:25] <mustmodify> Yep, looks like it. So let's say yes.
[20:25] <alkisg> Is this the old or new one?
[20:25] <mustmodify> it says "can't read /etc/fstab/
[20:25] <mustmodify> "
[20:25] <mustmodify> (no such file or directory)
[20:26] <alkisg> Erm, at which point, at the mount command?
[20:26] <mustmodify> right.
[20:26] <alkisg> Use tab to autocomplete, you misstyped something
[20:26] <mustmodify> it's: "mount: can't read '/etc/fstab': No such file or directory"
[20:26] <alkisg> E.g. mount /dev/mapper/logo<tab>
[20:27] <mustmodify> used autocomplete. Same result.
[20:27] <alkisg> ls /dev/mapper/logopolis--vg-root; ls /root
[20:27] <alkisg> Do both exist?
[20:27] <mustmodify> and `ls /etc` has only 10 files.
[20:27] <alkisg> No, /etc is in the initramfs, while root will get mounted in /root/, so the real etc will go to /root/etc.
[20:28] <mustmodify> first file exists
[20:28] <mustmodify> 7 bits/bytes
[20:28] <mustmodify> oh, bytes, duh
[20:28] <danili> Who would have acces to a chmod 777 file in a chmod 700 folder?
[20:30] <alkisg> danili: root and the user
[20:30] <alkisg> (the folder owner)
[20:30] <mustmodify> @alkisg: however, it's not the correct root.
[20:30] <alkisg> mustmodify: you managed to mount it?
[20:30] <mustmodify> It's an old drive
[20:30] <mustmodify> I guess.
[20:30] <alkisg> umount /root
[20:30] <mustmodify> I mean, I saw that error
[20:31] <mustmodify> but apparently it worked anyway
[20:31] <alkisg> mount /dev/mapper/logopolis-root /root
[20:31] <mustmodify> oh wait
[20:31] <mustmodify> I tried logopolis-root after the other one.
[20:31] <mustmodify> I got that error then, too.
[20:31] <mustmodify> but what's mapped now is logopolis-root
[20:31] <mustmodify> so let me try the other one again.
[20:31] <alkisg> Erm, wait
[20:31] <alkisg> It's possible that you mounted both of them one on top of the other
[20:32] <alkisg> Run 2 unmounts first
[20:32] <alkisg> umount /root; umount /root
[20:32] <alkisg> Then start over
[20:32] <mustmodify> device busy.
[20:32] <mustmodify> do I umount /root/something-else first?
[20:32] <alkisg> if you ran cd, now run cd /
[20:32] <mustmodify> i'm at /
[20:33] <alkisg> type "mount" and see if something else is mounted below it
[20:33] <alkisg> Btw, which ubuntu version is that?
[20:33] <mustmodify> a bunch of stuff.
[20:33] <alkisg> I mean, on /root/something
[20:34] <alkisg> Try `mount | grep root` if it helps you read them better
[20:34] <danili> alkisg, I'm asking because I wonder how apache can access the cert folder from certbot, the folder is owned by root:root and have chmod 700, the certs themself is chmod 777. As far as i know apache use the www-data user and as far as i know it isn't root? :/
[20:34] <mustmodify> root/run root/dev/pts root/dev
[20:34] <mustmodify> so I'll do those first
[20:34] <alkisg> mustmodify: which ubuntu version is that?
[20:34] <mustmodify> I've forgotten
[20:35] <mustmodify> 16 maybe?
[20:35] <alkisg> cat root/etc/os-release
[20:36] <alkisg> danili: I'm not sure about the context, but some services run as root, access the files they need, and *then* they drop privileges and run under a user account
[20:36] <mustmodify> ok.
[20:37] <mustmodify> I unmounted root and then I did vg-root again.
[20:37] <alkisg> mustmodify: so the plan is that once you mount the correct one, you type "exit" and it continues booting
[20:37] <alkisg> Once it boots, you type "update-grub" so that it's properly fixed for subsequent boots
[20:38] <danili> alkisg,  might be how it does it, thanks :)
[20:38] <alkisg> np
[20:40] <mustmodify> I got a bunch of errors, but it worked.
[20:41] <mustmodify> https://photos.app.goo.gl/vgEJUbhsjvmt3jKm1
[20:42] <mustmodify> typed exit.
[20:42] <alkisg> mustmodify: the ext3 error is ok, it just needs ext4 to mount it
[20:43] <mustmodify> and I think this is a panic.
[20:43] <mustmodify> https://photos.app.goo.gl/jlS0Xo9wW27qNLjw1
[20:43] <mustmodify> oh yeah, it even says that.
[20:44] <alkisg> Yeah. Oh well, create a live cd then, it'll take less time than typing that in grub.
[20:47] <mustmodify_> Well!
[20:47] <mustmodify_> I restarted my machine. So if you send me anything since my last, I missed it.
[20:47] <mustmodify_> sorry I mean
[20:47] <mustmodify_> I restarted the wrong machine.
[20:47] <alkisg> (10:44:35 μμ) alkisg: Yeah. Oh well, create a live cd then, it'll take less time than typing that in grub.
[20:47] <mustmodify_> Because I'm dumb.
[20:56] <Aikar> how do you make the Displays menu not suck? windows try to snap but wont let me rearrange them correctly. wont snap to where they should be, cant move them to where they should be
[20:57] <Aikar> arandr was smoother, but doesnt seem to retain the configuration of docked vs undocked
[21:24] <mustmodify_> @alkisg: so I don't have an optical drive attached to that machine.
[21:24] <mustmodify_> Did you say there was a USB option?
[21:26] <alkisg> mustmodify_: sure, in the ubuntu download site, they have a link to a tutorial on how to create a usb stick
[21:27] <alkisg> mustmodify_: an alternative is to press  "e" in grub, and change root=UUID=xxx, to root=/dev/mapper/vg-root-whatwasthename
[21:27] <alkisg> And f10 to boot.
[21:39] <P4> Hello
[21:40] <P4> how can I reload kernel in Ubuntu/Xenial 16.04 4.4.0-93 + systemd so I don't need to be onsite to provide LUKS secret during a boot time? 4.4.0-101 is installed with dpkg
[21:48] <Chilestuff> boo
[21:53] <Chilestuff> I have backups for both T-bird and Firefox done thru win10 with mozbackup ... can the backup files be restored to the Ubuntu version of the programs?
[21:56] <oerheks> Chilestuff, that would be a good test
[21:56] <Chilestuff> lol
[21:56] <mustmodify_> @alkisg: so current it says "set root='hd0,msdos'"
[21:56] <Chilestuff> Story of my life ... dive in to find out how deep the water is and find the rocks  :/
[21:57] <mustmodify_> so I need to change that to "set root='UUID,xxx'  " ?
[21:58] <Chilestuff> oerheks, I am a total newb ... just installed a couple weeks ago and know NOTHING
[21:58] <Chilestuff> I don't even know how to "test"
[21:59] <oerheks> well, i see htere is no linux version of mozbackup?
[21:59] <Chilestuff> ?
[22:00] <Chilestuff> I don't know how to find out
[22:00] <Chilestuff> Being an orphan of winblows, I'm unfamiliar with command line of any kind
[22:01] <Chilestuff> But it's either learn or go "Office Spcae" on my new laptop
[22:01] <EriC^^> Chilestuff: apt-cache search mozbackup
[22:01] <Chilestuff> Space
[22:01] <mustmodify_> @alkisg: so I got the USB key to work.
[22:01] <Chilestuff> Nuthin
[22:01] <mustmodify_> Do I want to install a new server?
[22:02] <mustmodify_> or is there a way to fix this?
[22:04] <mustmodify_> I'm trying "rescue a broken system"
[22:04] <Chilestuff> hmm
[22:04] <Chilestuff> You'd figure Mozilla would have a linux based backup
[22:05] <auronandace> Chilestuff: if you have a firefox account you can use firefox sync
[22:05] <Chilestuff> No account
[22:08] <mustmodify_> sorry, I got booted again.
[22:08] <mustmodify_> question: messing with the boot partition seems to be what caused my bruhaha. I'm in "rescue mode." It's asking if I want to boot the separate boot partition.
[22:09] <mustmodify_> I'm thinking no...
[22:09] <mustmodify_> does that seem sensible?
[22:15] <Chilestuff> Ok, how do I find the profile for tbird and firefox?
[22:15] <Chilestuff> The file structure in Ubuntu is quite different than win
[22:17] <mustmodify_> @alkisg: I think it's working now!
[22:17] <mustmodify_> thanks.
[22:17] <rdz> hey all. how can i disable scanning for btrfs devices at boot time? i want to keep btrfs-tools installed, it's just that there is no btrfs to be mounted autmatically
[22:18] <kostkon> Chilestuff, in ~/.mozilla
[22:18] <Moppy> Can someone please confirm the python versions in artful?
[22:19] <Chilestuff> That seems to be the problem ... where is ~?
[22:19] <auronandace> Chilestuff: that is your home directory: /home/username/
[22:20] <Chilestuff> All I have is a "public" folder which is empty
[22:21] <auronandace> Chilestuff: notice the dot? it means it is a hidden folder. you need to show hidden folders to see them
[22:21] <hypercore> how does ssh work?
[22:21]  * Chilestuff smacks his head
[22:22] <oerheks> !info python3.6
[22:22] <Chilestuff> Told ya I was a newb  :/
[22:22] <oerheks> !info python
[22:22] <Chilestuff> Thx
[22:22] <oerheks> no 2 in artfull
[22:22] <auronandace> Chilestuff: we all start somewhere
[22:23] <Moppy> oerheks: Thank you
[22:23] <Chilestuff> Ok, in mozilla all I have is extensions and firefox
[22:23] <oerheks> but you can install python2 ofcourse
[22:24] <Chilestuff> Tbird is installed, but a blank slate
[22:24] <Chilestuff> And no folder in mozilla
[22:25] <kostkon> Chilestuff, .mozilla
[22:25] <Chilestuff> Yeah that's what I meant
[22:26]  * Chilestuff is still learning syntax
[22:27] <Moppy> !info python3
[22:27] <auronandace> Chilestuff: when you launch an application for the first time it will create its settings folder in your home directory
[22:28] <auronandace> Chilestuff: the home directory will contain the settings for your particular user
[22:28] <Chilestuff> I did launch it
[22:29] <auronandace> Chilestuff: and you don't have a .thunderbird folder in your home directory?
[22:30] <Chilestuff> *sigh* ... I was looking in .mozilla
[22:30] <Sveta> oops
[22:30] <auronandace> Chilestuff: it has been a little while since mozilla let thunderbird go
[22:31]  * Chilestuff can see already he's gonna have to get a lot of shipping info to thank everyone properly
[22:31] <Sveta> it is subjective... thunderbird is maintained by a few peeps, just with a bit less free time, that is all
[22:31] <Chilestuff> see chilestuff.com
[22:32] <hypercore> guys?
[22:32] <hypercore> anyone know?
[22:32] <Sveta> hypercore: hi
[22:32] <hypercore> Sveta: hello
[22:32] <Sveta> hypercore: ssh works over tcp
[22:32] <auronandace> hypercore: man ssh
[22:32] <Sveta> hypercore: it allows you to connect to a remote computer.. what is the context of that question?
[22:32] <Chilestuff> Ok so I can drop the .pcv files into the respective folders? Or do they need to be in "profiles"? (which don't currently exist
[22:33] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH
[22:34] <hypercore> Sveta: i've been creating VMs using vagrant, and it stores the private_key file in .vagrant/.., so i could always refer to that when i wanted to SSH into my vm, but now i've created a droplet using doctl and i have no idea how to get the private_key file
[22:35] <oerheks> you might want to reask in #vagrant
[22:35] <hypercore> oerheks: it's not a vagrant related issue MATE
[22:36] <Chilestuff> hmm
[22:36] <Chilestuff> That don't work
[22:37] <hypercore> oerheks: don't ever question me in front of the children again
[22:38] <oerheks> oh doctl, digital ocian .. https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-doctl-the-official-digitalocean-command-line-client#making-ssh-connections
[22:39] <hypercore> oerheks: been looking at that, but don't understand it
[22:39] <Chilestuff> Ok, I'm "testing"
[22:40] <Moppy> I have a USB with a small 126KiB partition at the start that I can't delete. Some kind boot partition, I think, maybe from a Mac. I've tried gparted and it won't delete it.
[22:40] <Chilestuff> the .pcv acts like a zip in Ubuntu, and it's full of the same files in the gibberish name default user folder
[22:41] <Chilestuff> Overwriting ... or not
[22:42] <Moppy> i get a warning: "The driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes, but Linux says it is 512 bytes."
[22:42] <Chilestuff> Woot!!
[22:42] <Moppy> then i get an error "Partition map has no partition map entry!"
[22:42] <Moppy> If i press fix, it says it's deleted it, but it remains
[22:44] <Moppy> Blah, formatted it, and it vanished. This is like an ancient magic ritual.
[22:45] <Chilestuff> Yo oerheks , you just earned a bag of the best jerky on the planet!
[22:46] <Chilestuff> Werewolf Jerky ... made with 100% farm raised werewolf
[22:47] <Chilestuff> (We don't use wild ones ... too tough and stringy)
[22:47] <Moppy> How is that even beef?
[22:47] <Moppy> Oh I can't read. You said BEST jerky, not beef jerky.
[22:47] <Chilestuff> Who said anything about beef?  :D
[22:48] <Chilestuff> heh
[22:48] <Chilestuff> It's actually grass fed, hormone and antibiotic free, no nitrites and lowest sodium content of any jerky made
[22:48] <Chilestuff> And so tender even people with dentures can eat it
[22:50] <Chilestuff> See, the constant back and forth from human to werewolf and back stresses out the meat and makes it tough. But thanks to modern technology, and our brand new "Full Moon Dome", we keep our werewolfs under full moon 24/7
[22:51] <Chilestuff> Makes em nice and tender
[22:56] <Chilestuff> brb
[22:57] <Chilestuff> WooHoo!
[22:57] <Chilestuff> Got both working!
[22:58] <Chilestuff> Now all I need to do is get quickbooks working in a virtual machine and I can take a baseball bat to this $#%$%^$#$$%* windows 10 machine
[22:59]  * Chilestuff is ready to kill Bill Gates over this %^%^$ "Let's update your privacy settings wether you want to or not"
[23:00] <Chilestuff> I'm sorry, I don't care if microsoft wrote it or not, anything that won't let you do ANYTHING on yer own machine until you fold to it's demands is a virus
[23:01]  * Chilestuff will NOT be extorted by anyone or anything
[23:02] <Chilestuff> So I uninstalled the updater long enough to backup everything and then I'm gonna slag that POS back to faqctory )s
[23:02] <Chilestuff> 0s even
[23:03] <Chilestuff> My FFS is more pronounced when I'm ticked off  :P
[23:05] <Chilestuff> I know Ubuntu is good for old machines, but how is it with newer tech?
[23:06] <jollydutchman> I changed my login password earlier today and now my Gnome keyring no longer unlocks automatically when I log in. Is there a way to fix this?
[23:07] <DJAnonimo> hello
[23:07] <DJAnonimo> i'm trying to compile from source liquidsoap
[23:07] <DJAnonimo> on configure error is: pkg-config knows about ao... configure: error: ao.pc not found.. Do you need to set PKG_CONFIG_PATH?
[23:07] <DJAnonimo> anyone can help?
[23:14] <akik> DJAnonimo: you can set the environment variable PKG_CONFIG_PATH to the dir which has ao.pc
[23:22] <MrPockets> Is there a linux compatible teamviewer-like utility i can use to remote to my buddy's Ubuntyu box?
[23:23] <akik> MrPockets: yes, teamviewer :)
[23:24] <oerheks> vnc, teamviewer, x2go ..
[23:24] <moppy> Finally upgraded personal machine to artful. Works so far. They changed the GUI again :-/
[23:26] <MrPockets> VNC isnt' an option due to NAT
[23:26] <MrPockets> and TeamViewer's website isn't loading for some reason on his system
[23:27] <oerheks> wget https://download.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_i386.deb
[23:27] <CarlFK> MrPockets: can you expose a port to him?
[23:29] <MrPockets> 'eh
[23:29] <MrPockets> I could
[23:29] <MrPockets> thats a lot of work.
[23:31] <moppy> Aww, artful still points `/usr/bin/env python` to version 2. They chickened out of defaulting to 3.
[23:32] <DJAnonimo> akik: and which one has it?
[23:33] <moppy> Finally supports natural scrolling! this is the feature I upgraded for. Mouse wheel is the right way up now.
[23:35] <akik> DJAnonimo: you can find it with "find / -iname ao.pc"
[23:36] <DJAnonimo> akik: not found
[23:37] <akik> DJAnonimo: ok you need to install it too then, or compile from source if you go that way
[23:38] <DJAnonimo> which package it is?
[23:38] <akik> DJAnonimo: no idea
[23:38] <DJAnonimo> i found this one: https://github.com/rmens/liquidsoap-ubuntu
[23:39] <DJAnonimo> it says is 16.04
[23:39] <DJAnonimo> with git clone?
[23:40] <bazhang> DJAnonimo, what version of ubuntu you on now
[23:41] <DJAnonimo> Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[23:41] <bazhang> liquidsoap is in the latest repos
[23:41] <DJAnonimo> yes but not with aacplus
[23:42] <DJAnonimo> in the link above you can see... Liquidsoap + aacplus on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[23:42] <DJAnonimo> but i dont know how to install it
[23:42] <DJAnonimo> bazhang: maybe you can help me?
[23:49] <Sveta> DJAnonimo: the link you provided has an install script.
[23:49] <DJAnonimo> yes
[23:49] <DJAnonimo> i just executed it
[23:49] <DJAnonimo> waiting for the result
[23:49] <DJAnonimo> trying to install liquidsoap the whole day
[23:49] <DJAnonimo> getting crazy
[23:49] <Sveta> DJAnonimo: https://sourceforge.net/p/savonet/mailman/savonet-users/thread/51522D8B.3070601@spc.org/ suggests installing libao-dev for the error you provided.
[23:50] <Sveta> DJAnonimo: what is aacplus?
[23:50] <DJAnonimo> audio codec
[23:51] <Sveta> ok
[23:53] <DJAnonimo> no luck with bash
[23:55] <Sveta> you need to show the error message
[23:56] <DJAnonimo> oh. i retried and now compiled
[23:56] <DJAnonimo> maybe the sh script fixed something