=== chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [04:42] tg://join?invite=Baj4lhJ4XRotoeGk1QxuRQ [04:50] @Wildnislehrer, He can try Meizu Pro 5 and install UT [05:08] wondering if Google Treble will be a good thing for projects like UBports [05:45] I noticed no Korean keyboard? Any idea how to make Korean language work on UT? Works on Ubuntu desktop... [06:29] Hey, is it possible to use python-tk in UT? (With clickable) [06:31] deepu11 was added by: deepu11 [06:37] @BlueKenny, if tkinder uses qt5 bindings then ues [06:37] or if it uses gtk2 bindings then also yes, but via xmir [06:38] and xmir scenario os not clickable [06:38] afaik there is no way to make click app use xmir [06:38] on ut [06:38] if it was possible i would love to ise it [06:43] @KrisJacewicz, Thank you :) … i'm going to learn QML 🙈 [06:46] @KrisJacewicz, Can't you just add the xmir parts to a launch script which your desktop file calls? something like … ```Xmir -rootless :2 … export DISPLAY=:2 … exec @``` … And then in your desktop file add … ```X-Ubuntu-Touch=true … X-Ubuntu-XMir-Enable=true … Exec=/launchscript myapp``` … I would have thought this should work [06:46] @DanChapman, brilliant workaround, love it! [06:47] will test [06:48] how about :2 part, is it like a constant or every time xmir runs it uses out one display from the pool? [06:49] @DanChapman, ah I just remembered what was th problem from the past (I actually tired that, except the parts in the script, which i really thank you for): [06:50] the problem was that click upon installation generates .desktop fle at ~/.local/share/applications/ and your X-Ubuntu-* flags WON'T be preserved in that generated launcher [06:50] that was the problem I faced [06:50] i don't even think it is a bug, rather a lack of feature in click logic [06:50] not sure [07:00] @deepu11, Hello deepu and welcome! I'm part of the UBports welcoming team. … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :) [07:10] @DanChapman thank you for the Dekko 2update 😎 [07:11] What's new? [07:11] And thanks to the core debs for clock and camera paps for improving! [07:12] *developers *apps 😁 [07:54] @KrisJacewicz ah i see there is some troubles there. Some possible good new though. There was a patch in xenial which enables ubuntu-app-launch to start apps with xmir https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/tickets?search=2531 so once we have some xenial based devices, things should get a bit easier for you. Although looking at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfAlgJtqSLM i see there are some gtk apps there running on mir. So maybe you won't even need xmir o [08:14] @DanChapman, wow, great news in deed!!! [08:14] I mean, that would be HUGE news for everything that I do if gtk could run directly on mir, man I would start making apps like crazy! hehe [08:15] and would start talking to Lazarus community to get involved as well, I'm sure they'd have good number of people interested in it [08:19] @KrisJacewicz, Lazarus can bind QT5 as well, but I was not successful with it, because apparently Lazarus bindings require min qt5.6, but even when that requirement gets fulfilled, I still don't know if qt on UT is fully binary compatible with equivalent on xorg, if yes, than that would be good news for Lazarus as well. … Some of my apps do graphic rendering, and in such case xmir is too slow for me. That will also be a bottleneck for others [08:19] use whatever language/ide to make their gtk apps. That is why I am interested in trying out xwayland, because AFAIK it really is NOT like xmir, except purpose-wise, but not under the hood. xwayland has no hw acceleration for rendering either, but at least it supports glamor (https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Glamor/) [08:19] however, if gtk were to be supported natively in mir, then whoah, the possibilities are endless! [08:40] hmm the gtk mir integration isnt that much code [08:40] but it is in a bad state.. [08:41] I spent some time working on it.. but that was at a time when we also reworked the buffer ownership in mir. [08:41] This is all I know in the subject: … https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/gtk-mir.html [08:42] but apparently UT does not have this port included (I'm talking 15.04), not on my end [08:44] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~attente/gtk/gtk-mir/files/head:/debian/patches/ and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~attente/gtk/mir-copy-paste/files/head:/debian/patches/ is probably the most recent status [08:44] there should be proper git repo somewher [08:47] (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/PQgkOM0u/file_2458.jpg so my UT does not have this [08:48] @anpok, can you install this with apt-get? [08:49] I am not sure about dependencies.. [08:49] @anpok, I wonder if installing mir's gtk backend would or would not conflick with also existing on ut backend for x, do you know if that'd be an issue? [08:50] could both backends co-exist? [08:50] yes they would [08:50] in the end you control that via the environment [08:50] I'm willing and ready to test drive it, could you suggest initial steps? [08:50] I mean, to install that backend on my ut? [08:51] figure out which gtk version is in the ppa/15.04 .. and whether there are matching gdk-mir patches for that gtk version [08:51] @anpok, I only need to install the patches, no need to install some initial libraries fisrt? [08:52] these patches will add mir support onto the original gtk libraries? [08:52] also is gtk+ a synonym for gtk3? [08:53] or only gtk2? [08:53] or both? [08:53] found this: … "GTK/GTK+ and GTK2 are different versions of the same API. GTK is an old, deprecated version, GTK2 is the previous one, GTK+ 3/GTK3 is the current version. … GTK+ is the correct name of the old API, but most people just call it GTK. … The C++ bindings for GTK+ are part of the project GTKmm." … source: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5830731/what-is-the-relation-between-gtk-gtk-and-gtk2 [08:54] no the patches are the differences between the specific upstream mir integration of gdk and the current state of development at that time [08:55] so those patches will not work with the 15.04 version of gtk [08:56] @anpok, seems like it's gtk+3.0 3.14.12-0ubuntu2 … source: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/gtk+3.0 [08:56] ahh now I remember why we did not enable the mir backend.. [08:56] cairo has (or hopefully had) some annoying limitation wrt to byte ordering [08:57] and the android gles drivers could not match the color channel order [08:57] so that remains unresolved? [08:58] @anpok, you mean little endian vs big endian? [08:59] or color format? [08:59] GL_RGBA GL_ABGR GL_BGRA .. or GL_ARGB .. insanity.. [08:59] I see [09:00] but wondering, since cairo works on arm linux under x, so that problem is only regarding translating these to gles calls? [09:01] *gles calls on android? [09:01] yes [09:01] but would a static mapping table solve that? [09:01] or was figuring the mapping the problem? [09:02] some inconsistencies? [09:04] if I had some guidance I would even be willing to try to figure such mapping experimentally [09:04] if that would bring gtk to mir, I would love to help [09:05] perhaps even I could figure out a routine to run during initialization, that runs tests to figure out the mapping automatically [09:06] test based, call gles apis with different mappings until the results are valid for used input, and then remember that mapping for use aftr the initialization [09:14] @wayneoutthere, At the pull down menu it allows you to select any language but in keyboard settings only a few are implemented. In principle it shouldn't be complicated to add more but I have no idea how to do that. Adding all would bloat the system [09:16] with just a little guidance I could take the work off someone else's shoulders, but I need help in setting up the environment for testing, and some list of APIs to translate between gtk and gles [09:24] @KrisJacewicz, Hey Kris, I am trying to run KeePass2 off my phone with X forwarding. I am getting … X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0 … Unhandled Exception: … followed by a bunch of errors. … What am I missing? [09:25] @delijati, Ok. Thanks. I'll try. [09:31] @TomasOqvist, idk, but I can try to troubleshoot you, how did you install KeyPass2, with apt-get or sth else? [09:31] I will get it on my ut as well and see if I can run it [09:31] @KrisJacewicz, apt-get and then edited the desktop file [09:32] the package name? [09:32] keepass2 [09:32] $ apt-get install keypass … or sth else? [09:32] ok, bare with me [09:32] apt-get install keypass2 [09:32] sorry keepass2 [09:38] (Photo, 724x463) https://irc.ubports.com/msnddaqA/file_2460.jpg mono runtime part [09:39] (Video, 143s)https://irc.ubports.com/T0rH34f6/file_2461.mp4 I think it's related to mono [09:39] Install the native version [09:39] I believe it was keepassx2 [09:39] @vanyasem, +1 [09:39] screw Mono [09:40] yes it works! [09:41] ☺️ [09:41] (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/3fXCVlNg/file_2463.jpg $ sudo apt-get install keepassx [09:42] Ok, so install keepassx instead and edit the desktop file? [09:42] you can also try keepassxc (I think it has a better gui) [09:43] nah.. quite similar, sorry [09:46] (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/An1b0AMu/file_2465.jpg i installed natve version [09:47] (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/oy0sjBHB/file_2467.jpg this is without wm [09:47] (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/QwB69p9r/file_2469.jpg and this is with wm [09:47] if you still hv a problem let me know I'll get you thru ;) [09:49] Yes, keepassx works, but I need to export my kdbx database to one compatible with keepassx. Also, starting it locally only shows half of the app in the top right corner of the phone. [09:51] @KrisJacewicz: may I ask, why do you have 2 Telegram launchers on your phone? [09:52] @TomasOqvist, because you do not run it with a wm, if you do then you get it fullscreen, see my 2 case scenarios above with screenshots [09:52] @PureTryOut[m], one is on th ephone, another is just a launcher that starts Telegram from my Ubuntu desktop over WiFi onto my phone [09:53] keepass2 is better as it uses later and more secure file format I think. Seems I have to export to KeePass 1.x format, which isn't supported in Ubuntu version of KeePass2. [09:53] the one that has (x86_64) added in the name [09:53] @KrisJacewicz, How do I run it with wm? [09:53] @TomasOqvist, one step at a time, perhaps keepassx2 is available just not in the official repos, try asking goole ;) [09:54] @KrisJacewicz, He he, I turn out to be just as impatient as you are... [09:54] @TomasOqvist, I call bash wrapper from my .desktop launcher, so I have wrapper at /usr/bin/start-keepassx, and the actual launcher at /usr/share/applications/keepass2.desktop, let me show you... [09:55] (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/7HHjx7zU/file_2471.jpg this is my wrapper script [09:55] (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/ctippMgB/file_2473.jpg and this is my launcher [09:55] BUT, you need to have wm installed first, I am using matchbox [09:56] @KrisJacewicz ooh that is pretty cool actually. I assume that's with all your `(x86_64)` launchers then? [09:56] $ sudo apt-get install matchbox … *approx 30* MB [09:56] also, I recommend KeepassXC over KeepassX [09:56] @PureTryOut[m], correct, I wrote about it and demoed: http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2017/11/desktop-apps-on-ubuntu-phone.html [09:57] cool! [09:57] @TomasOqvist, also in this article you actually will find all these things explained, even though it talks about Lazarus IDE, but the xmir setup is explained in great detail: http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2017/11/lazarus-on-arm-ubuntu.html [09:58] @KrisJacewicz, MISS Mir Scopes Suck... lol😂 [09:59] @KrisJacewicz, Ok, I think I already installed matchbox. I'll try that. [09:59] @PureTryOut[m], Can it read .kdbx files? [10:01] @SergioSRM, off course scopes don't suck, just that I'm aversed to them, it's putely subjective ;) [10:03] Keepassxc is the one i reommend too [10:03] (Photo, 768x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/frUtu6rG/file_2475.jpg that's what I use instead, it actually uses my ~/Desktop for content, and will soon add folder support [10:03] uploading a video showing it in action [10:03] unfortunately because of xmir slow renderring it is less spectacular than it could be, I had to give up on fancy animation effects [10:04] so I want a normal desktop experience, not an app scope [10:04] and I want to see my wallpaper, otherwise it doesn't matter that I can have one set ! [10:08] so right now I'm uploading a video showcasing how my UT looks like from login to actually seeing and using this replacement for scopes [10:12] so the way it works is that I now only show icons from my actual Desktop folder (which btw is missing in UT by default), and not all the apps. You can decide yourself what to have on your desktop and what not to have [10:12] also, I will add a dash-like experience [10:12] so you can start apps that are not on your desktop [10:12] like on Ubuntu Desktop [10:12] currently dash doesn't happen on UT, just brings scopes to the front [10:13] @TomasOqvist yeah it can, like KeepassX. KeepassXC is basically KeepassX, but actually supported by more than 1 developer [10:13] @KrisJacewicz, please compress your videos [10:13] I don't feel like downloading 90 mb files :) [10:13] @vanyasem, when I send them from mobile it doesn't show me that option [10:13] only on desktop, sorry [10:13] use ffmpeg [10:14] I'll download onto my desktop and resend compressed [10:14] Ok, this doesn't look good: … Error http://repo.ubports.com vivid/main armhf Packages … Could not get status - stat (2: No such file or directory) [10:14] @KrisJacewicz, I cannot remember if that was a problem of cairo then trying to render in software.. or having artefacts because a differen byte order is expected.. [10:14] @vanyasem, well that is not viable fo rme, because Isent that vid from my android phone telegram [10:14] While sudo apt update on the phone [10:15] @KrisJacewicz, oh, then it should have that option. it was there for abes [10:15] (Photo, 622x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/0EyrnmfQ/file_2477.jpg [10:15] @anpok, well, I'm interested in helping, but I'm not capable of starting this effort without some initial help [10:15] @vanyasem, I'll look into it [10:15] hm get the code .. enable the mir backend. [10:16] hmm [10:16] first find the right code :) [10:16] then see what happens [10:16] @TomasOqvist, It worked after 'sudo mount -o remount,rw /' [10:16] @TomasOqvist, off course :P [10:17] But it fails to update the repo 'ppa:phoerious/keepassxc', although it installs fine. [10:17] So I can't install keepassxc. [10:18] @TomasOqvist, by "installs fine" you mean it enlists that repo, off course it doesn, you can enlist anything, even verses from your favorite song [10:18] probably that repo does not provide packages for arm, or not for vivid [10:19] but if it has sources you can buildd it yourself [10:19] @KrisJacewicz, Ok, so I will have to stick with keepassx then I guess... [10:19] @TomasOqvist, unless you build it from sources [10:20] here: https://github.com/keepassxreboot/keepassxc [10:20] @KrisJacewicz, Yeah, I might give it a go. [10:21] @TomasOqvist, I have to build on the phone or can I do it from my Ubuntu 16.04 desktop? [10:22] $ sudo apt-get install git … $ git clone https://github.com/keepassxreboot/keepassxc.git keepassxc-src … $ cd keepassxc-src … $ mkdir build … $ cd build … $ cmake -DWITH_XC_AUTOTYPE=ON -DWITH_XC_HTTP=ON -DWITH_XC_YUBIKEY=ON -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release .. … $ make -j4 … $ DESTDIR=~/.local install [10:22] and since it uses qt5, it should run natively in mir (in theory [10:24] @TomasOqvist, you can do either, or even on raspberry pi. … - On the desktop you need to build it in architectural chroot … - on the phone you may be missing qt5 dev packages needed for building … - on raspi you can do all the compiling easy, then move compiled app to your ut [10:25] if you build it on desktop but not with architectural chroot you will end up building desktop version, unusable on the phone [10:26] ie cmake is missing on ut [10:26] $ sudo apt-get install cmake … some extra ~20MB [10:27] and there might be more, so architectural chroot or raspi could be your best choice, unless you want to challenge yourself :D [10:28] (Photo, 724x463) https://irc.ubports.com/lusSo9qT/file_2479.jpg yup, not straightforward to build it on the phone, unless you hv newer cmake than in the repos (or you're on 16.04) [10:28] CMake Error: CMake was unable to find a build program corresponding to "Unix Makefiles". CMAKE_MAKE_PROGRAM is not set. You probably need to select a different build tool. [10:28] you probably also missing basic tools [10:28] $ sudo apt-get install build-essential [10:28] I have compilers on my ut already so I have these basic things, but you probably don't [10:29] cmake from sources: https://cmake.org/install/ [10:30] I may try this on raspi when time permits [10:30] Uhm, this is getting complicated... Got past cmake command, but not make -j4 [10:31] Or, I mean I got the same as you above [10:31] @TomasOqvist, well, I got even less forward than you so cant help, cuz I don't know what problems are behind [10:31] but I guess missing dev packages, including for qt5 [10:31] ah ok, so not yet actually in make [10:33] What about space on the phone? I now have: … Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on … udev 1,3G 4,0K 1,3G 1% /dev … tmpfs 287M 1,1M 286M 1% /run … /dev/mmcblk0p28 55G 4,1G 49G 8% /userdata … /dev/loop0 2,0G 1,9G 0 100% / … /dev/loop1 118M 113M 4,1M 97% /android/system … none [10:33] 4,0K 0 4,0K 0% /android … tmpfs 1,4G 4,0K 1,4G 1% /etc/fstab … tmpfs 1,4G 1,1M 1,4G 1% /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs … /dev/disk/by-partlabel/cache 504M 9,6M 495M 2% /android/cache … /dev/disk/by-partlabel/modem 64M 57M 7,9M 88% /android/firmware … /dev/disk/by-partlabel/persist 4,9M 4,2M 760K 85% /android/persist … none 4,0K 0 4,0 [10:33] tmpfs 1,4G 84K 1,4G 1% /tmp … none 5,0M 0 5,0M 0% /run/lock … cgmfs 100K 0 100K 0% /run/cgmanager/fs … none 1,4G 112K 1,4G 1% /run/shm … none 100M 0 100M 0% /run/user … tmpfs 1,4G 0 1,4G 0% /media … tmpfs 1,4G 4,0K 1,4G 1% /v [10:33] 287M 0 287M 0% /run/user/0 … tmpfs 287M 40K 287M 1% /run/user/32011 [10:35] btw, if you insist to make this on dsktop (ie you don't have raspi), then remember, don't use qemu-system-arm, it is limited in that it can supply maximum of 256MB RAM into the chroot. Use architectural chroot instead. … 1. the qemu-system-arm (limited memory) tutorials here: http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2016/12/easy-containers-on-ubuntu-touch.html … 2. architectural chroot covered here: [10:35] http://kriscode.blogspot.tw/2017/11/telegram-on-arm-raspi-and-ubuntu-touch-1.html [10:35] *Ad 1. I showed debootstrap on ut, but you do it on esktop exactly same way, and end up having arm chroot on your intel host [10:38] @TomasOqvist, yes you need to take care of that [10:38] there are multiple ways [10:39] I move some stuff into the userspace and symlink it back to the original place [10:40] at least stuff I apt-get install, but you can also use this to move some of the staff that came with the image by default [10:41] I moved my entire /usr/share content into my userspace [10:44] So that would be … sudo mv /usr/share /userdata/usr/share … ln -s /usr/share /userdata/usr/share … ? [10:47]