[01:26] @Flohack, thank you, so much! [01:28] @Flohack, you are awesome [01:30] @KrisJacewicz, am i awesome as well? https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch-meta/commit/a897bfd36b628df02533a22af8e146ee8c6e5442 [01:30] even though it took forever [01:31] @profetik777, +1 [01:32] @profetik777, +1 [02:07] @neothethird where can I find the fix for this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubports-android/+bug/1542964 ? I got the same error on my port. [02:07] Launchpad bug 1542964 in ubports-android "Mir/hwc: invalid source image img wh=1152x1920 rect=0,0,0,0" [Critical,Fix released] [02:09] uhh [02:11] Sorry, no idea [02:12] @Ern_st, @mariogrip do you remember what this was about? [02:12] @Ern_st, kernel missmatch, are you using a caf kernel? [02:13] I think... [02:13] How can i be sure ? [02:13] @Ern_st, what device? [02:14] I'm porting a moto g 2013, based on the work of Walid. [02:14] you an try my super hack https://github.com/ubports/android_kernel_oneplus_msm8974/commit/317db5f3fcf0582991aaf593d0475023e4ca089d [02:15] https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/installing-16-04.html#choose-a-rootfs … indicates device tree, should it be the same for kernel @mariogrip ? [02:15] I belive this is 5.1 [02:15] right @Ern_st [02:15] Yes 5.1 [02:16] But my device is caf according to the boarconfig so i took the sudoku [02:16] Yeah, we dont have a pure caf 5.1 rootfs yet, but that `hack` works [02:17] `hack` [02:17] Thanks i'll keep you update [02:17] did you choose the caf rootfs? [02:17] Yes [02:17] if so, that wont work, since that is built for 7.1 [02:17] give the non caf a try [02:17] oh. [02:18] Ok, what i remember the problem was also there. But with the non caf the hack might works ? [02:18] So i try non caf and then non caf + hack ? [02:19] yes [02:19] bacon uses that hack + non caf [02:20] Ok [02:20] Thanks === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [03:42] @mariogrip @UniversalSuperBox the non caf xenial + … + https://github.com/ubports/device-files/tree/ubp-5.1/common/system/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf … + https://github.com/ubports/device-files/tree/ubp-5.1/common/system/usr/include/hybris … seems to clear all my graphic issues … thanks [04:21] dear all, I want to share with you my 1st impression of using plasma desktop vs using UT. … UT is MUCH more end user ready than plasma mobile, but at the same time plasma is much more hackable. … I think that working on both projects will be plenty of fun, and I'm sure I will be able to contrubute both, although from my skill sets, I think I will be able to contribute to plasma more, because there is more stuff missing in it that I actually [04:21] want to tell you that I gained a whole lot more appreciation for both UT and plasma now! [04:48] @KrisJacewicz, 🤘Thanks for your awesome contributions Kris. [04:49] Fwd from msnzmmk: hi guys. sorry for asking. i live in iran and i cant join the ubport super grupe. … in the music app, when i save some music in memory, it's not add to music app automatically, and i should add manually. is it for you same? … (in nexus 5) [04:50] ...from the fairphone/ubuntu group. Can someone help him? [04:50] No [04:50] In my Nexus 5 [04:50] Aong add automatically [04:50] You should have to update app [04:51] Either apt-get dist-upgrade [04:51] Use command [04:51] @msnzmmk [04:52] Thnx [04:56] @Vijaypraj, You cannot do it on an Ubuntu touch system. [04:56] I done [04:56] Would you like to watch [04:56] ? [04:58] @Konrad_Fichtner, Can he use Matrix or IRC to join us ? Anyway, music file are scanned automatically by media-scanner something. Does it files contain the correct extension ? [04:58] You can do it, you just have to remount / as rw [04:58] but it can break things when updates come [04:58] Yes i know [04:58] Correct @Xorpad not for common users [04:59] When ota is updated than it will re lock [04:59] Any one can do [04:59] Yes [05:00] you can [05:00] But he/she has to properly Knowledge about it [05:00] @Vijaypraj, upone EVERY reboot it returns to ro [05:00] yeppers [05:01] and off course, upon your wish. I consider it a good practice to remount it to ro once you finished needing it rw, not let it just stay rw for no reason [05:01] It's better if you use a chroot in your home folder if you want to apt-get command-line tools [05:02] or just a binary folder to PATH in your home dir [05:02] @Xorpad, case by case, there are instances when chroot is not a viable option [05:02] @Xorpad, +1 [05:02] edit .bashrc to add that path and you can pump in stuff you compile on pc with the right prefix [05:02] PATH + LD_LIBRARY_PATH [05:02] I have a ~/bin folder with stuff I cross-compiled [05:02] @Xorpad, +1 [05:02] htop and ccrypt [05:02] I just installed them to see how [05:03] and I have a shell script that replaces the PATH addition in .bashrc after update [05:03] just copies it from another file in the home folder [05:03] with a . prefix so it's hidden === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [05:05] anyone got distcc type compiling for android build system? [05:05] I want to spread out the load [05:06] you know, I hv to elaborate, it seems to me (it's not recent observation, I have had this observatons for years) all boild down to a peculiar programming practices on Linux. It is not enforced by th OS, it is just a practice that spread like a virus and now is the source of these type of problems. What am I talking about? That linux software makers keep shitting files of their software all ofer the filesystem, instead of just containing them ne [05:06] one portable folder, that can also be completely installed into userspace with laucnehrs, and PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH etc. … I make all of my apps in that way. It is not commanded by god that you put some stuf under usr share, some under usr bin, some in usr bin some in opt and so on. It is just a practice. And it has been at the very source of things liek containers and snpaps/clicks/flatpacks. … Isn't that interesting? Just people insisting on a practi [05:06] will, all these soulutions emerged to address a virtual problem, a problem of habits... [05:09] I dislike most of what goes on in computer science these days [05:09] I long for my 386 [05:10] I remeber once I accidentally installed firefox (nod deb, I think it was tarball or sth) without sudo and guess what... … It installed! completely into the userspace. Can be done! Just do it as a programmer, you get to chose. Also, deb packaging is handicapped, it cannot install shit into your home folder. … Click can, but you have to explicitely pass the user name to it, so it knows which userspace to intall to. deb is handicapped as a pa [05:10] in regards to that, it is not able to install stuff but into the main filesystem [05:10] I install everything I compile from source with checkinstall on ubuntu [05:10] "sudo checkinstall -D make install" [05:10] @Xorpad, I like you ;) [05:10] @Xorpad, My first pc... remember it like yesterday. A Dell. Stayed up all night hacking away on it and playing Twin Towers mud. [05:10] My first PC too, I was like 3 and it was 1988 [05:11] had it until I was like 7 when we upgraded to a pentium with MMX [05:11] I learned to code on that thing [05:12] but seriosuly, if you are developer, it's completely up to you how you make your software install iteself. All that legacy habits, your call, but don't just follow old habbits on autodrive mode, pass concepts through your own internal filter and make your on educated decissions - encouraging, not forcing ;) [05:12] We need conventions though [05:12] @Xorpad, Hehehe... me too... was blown away but its what... 16 MB of ram? [05:12] as much as we also need to move forward wed need software design conventions [05:12] you know? [05:13] @Xorpad, my first PC was Amiga CDTV, without hd, OS was loaded from 1.44 floppies, I still program for AmigaOS, great OS btw, but these days I run in in a vm [05:13] @Xorpad, +1 !! ❤️ Preach!! [05:13] I remember having OS load from 5'1/4 floppy [05:13] then we got a 30MB hard drive [05:13] thing was state of the art [05:13] that's going a bit off topic guys [05:13] sorry @vanyasem you right [05:14] consider moving to @ubports_ot [05:14] aye aye! [05:14] @vanyasem, not the part about programming conventions [05:14] agreed [05:15] Well, like, the whole reason we have computers as complex as we do and huge monolithic software platforms is because we stick to standards that allow stuff to be reused and built up to crazy extents [05:15] Like, if it wasn't for IBM neglecting to get exclusivity on the i386 pc hardware they used, we would not be talking right now [05:16] There literally wouldn't be an internet [05:21] so yes, the talk about who had what as 1st PC and when, was a bit of who's dick is bigger kind of game, but as for the programming conventions, ESPECIALLY on UT with rw filesystem and limited space, we could POPULARIZE (if you're with me on this one, IDK if you are tho) the new convention of making portable software that is easy to install into suerspace. Because: … 1. it increases security by removing requirement for sudo/root priviledges fo [05:21] … 2. it saves the ro filesystem on UT … 3. it saves the overhead of workarounds around the legacy distribution model (cntainers, clicks, flatpacks, snaps, etc) … I am not against click, it's good and I don't challenge it, but we can distribute alternatively packaged legacy software. … In fact I began a project dubbed "OpenSoftwareHub" that does just that, and it proposes new packaging/distribution convention, as well as helps in repackaging things. F [05:21] Geany, Inkscape, and few other apps from .deb format into new generic style: wget/scp/cp a tar, extract, enter, run install.sh, and BAM, Geany in your userspace (still requires sudo for symlinks, but this could be avoided if Geany sourceode received patches, or if env variables could be figured out) [05:23] @Xorpad, evolution is one thing I like to remember about. Space was expensive back in the days, Disk and memory. Now space is cheap. Reusing is fine, you don't need to spread software all over though. … The entire concept of ~/home in Linux is designed around accomodating userspace installations, but software makers are not taking advantage of it. DE knows to look for launchers in ~/.local/share/applications/ and things like that. [05:23] Programmers/publishers just need to take advantage of it. And it cannot be taken advantage of with .deb [05:24] click btw is great, but wish it didn't use sudo either [05:25] and yes I do recognize that you may wish to install into the main filesystem, absolutely. Just that now everything install there, not just what needs to. === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [06:05] I have ubuntu phone running ubports. [06:05] however I can not see ubports supergroups from telegram app on phone [06:05] I can acces that from telegram desktop app only [06:06] any idea why its happenning? [06:06] @KrisJacewicz, Well laid out and interesting read. (trying to understand everything) I would just like to ask about item 1, in that I have two kids and I like the fact that I have control on what software gets installed... granted a simple user auth could be created, I think that is the only thing that jumps out at me. (not that it is the most important thing regarding your post) [06:06] @nikhilubuntu, You need to get the new beta Telegram app [06:07] https://github.com/ubports/telegram-app/releases/download/v2.5.0/com.ubuntu.telegram_2.5.0.0_armhf.click [06:07] ok. thanks. I will do that today itself. [06:07] @nikhilubuntu, 👍 [06:08] do i need to remove the current telegram app or the new version will automatically replace it? [06:09] It will replace it.. (however, don't try to upgrade it from the OpenStrore) [06:09] as it will downgrade it ;P [06:09] ok [06:17] @neothethird, @KrisJacewicz did you see that Kris? I guess all the additional packages you needed for x-forwarding are included thank to @neothethird, isn't it? [06:20] @Crash_Burn, Can we suggest to the OpenStore team to visually separate upgrading to and downgrading from a newer version? [06:20] and use "downgrade" [06:30] @peternerlich, This might be a special situation, but perhaps a good idea as I almost clicked the upgrade button ;P [06:41] @Crash_Burn, I don't really think this is a special situation, since the OpenStore itself allows you to install any click package from your storage, so I would categorize this as a rather usual system state that should be handled elegantly, especially if it's as easy as comparing version numbers [06:55] @peternerlich, https://github.com/UbuntuOpenStore/openstore-meta/issues Going to sleep now.. look into it more tomorrow. Thanks and good night. [07:17] @Crash_Burn, very valid scenario. i cant think of any specific solution that is "one fits all". I think that your scenario (subjectively from my perspective)is a special case, thus requires some initial change of default settings, before it is in effect. Like a security/privacy policy that you add atop the default setting [07:20] @peternerlich, i understod him differrntly. that he wants to limit kids' ability to i stall apps locally without sudo [07:26] Holger Böcker was added by: Holger Böcker [07:43] @Konrad_Fichtner, @Konrad_fichtner is this because he doesn't have the Telegram beta installed? [07:45] @Holger Böcker, Hello Holger and welcome! I'm part of the UBports welcoming team. … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :) [07:47] Du scheinst mir auch, deutscher Natur zu sein (no offense) — Vielleicht hast du Interesse an unserer neuen deutschen Language Group? http://t.me/UBports_Deutsch [07:48] I just got a 2nd hand Nexus 5 32GB for around $70 😍 [07:48] now, is it possible to triple boot Plasma Mobile, Sailfish OS and Ubuntu? LOL [07:48] (Photo, 800x627) https://irc.ubports.com/Csy2r7D6/file_2487.jpg today I used UBports GUI installer and it's absolutely beautiful! [07:50] @Javacookies, +1 ❤️ [07:52] I want tomake similar one for Plasma Desktop and I could totally also make it work with UT, so one for both plasma and UT, but would some of you consider that some sort of breaking of unspoken code? [07:53] Syah Wawa was added by: Syah Wawa [07:53] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/0z0sXYCp/file_2489.jpg [07:53] also on the phone that installation splash, super beautiful, I'm absolutely sold n it! [07:53] @Syah Wawa, Hello Syah Wawa and welcome! I'm part of the UBports welcoming team. … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :) [07:54] you know guys, this is where I can get involved, in making GUI apps supporting UT on the LinuxDesktop/Windows/OSX end [07:57] @KrisJacewicz can't we refactor ut now to make all the apps in user space? [07:58] @VIJAYHIREMATH1, not sure what you are asking. ut default click already installs app into userspace. [07:59] @KrisJacewicz, You were telling there are some apps which installs some files in root we can identify them and correct it. [08:00] At least all the core apps(not sure whether they have already in user space? [08:01] @VIJAYHIREMATH1, well, what I was talking about are legacy software packages distributed as .deb, and "correcting" is not a word to use, because correction is used for fixing something broken, and that's not the case [08:01] @VIJAYHIREMATH1, it is possible that you have a slight misunderstanding of what I said earlier [08:02] @KrisJacewicz, Modify if that suits [08:03] @VIJAYHIREMATH1, yes, but really there was a context to it, and I am not sure if you are also within that context, since you mentionned core apps now [08:06] (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/oZuD0FgK/file_2491.jpg [08:06] Terminal app present by default on clean install - VERY satisfying! [08:06] the progress on this including addressing some feedback is IMPRESSIVE [08:10] at this point also a very belated but HUGE shoutout to whoever did such a great job on shaping the terminal app. I didn't believe it would be that easy to use without a proper keyboard ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ [08:11] I'm still waiting for the new redesigned terminal 😃 … I installed it before on my laptop via snap and it looks great! [08:11] @peternerlich, +1 [08:11] some state of the art mobile terminall app, RESPECT ❤️ [08:12] @Javacookies, looking forward to that [08:13] seriously, that Terminal app right there is THE Ubuntu spirit emanating form this phone ❤️ [08:21] @Florian, I have a queston, it's not a formal request, because I do not insist that it is needed, but perhaps would be helpful, and I'm biased as I've a stake in it. … Since UT default configuration makes it impossible to use ssh-copy-id from your machine into UT device, so I made a tool specifically addressing this, called ssh-pull-id, which is same, but opposit direction: your ut device pulls ssh identity from your pc, intsead of your machi [08:21] it to ut device. That circumvents the config which prevents the pc from connecting to ut device for key exchange. … The tool is very simple, and I hosted it open source here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/ssh-pull-id/ … specifically made it for pairing ut with other machines. If you'd be interested in including it, I can relicense it to whatever suits you, and maintain. [08:39] @KrisJacewicz, Doesn't phablet-tools already solve this with phablet-shell? It handles the copying of keys etc for you [08:45] @DanChapman, well, here's the thing: i didn't know about phablet-shell, so I need to learn about it now [08:45] you need to install it on pc side? [08:46] Yes `apt install phablet-tools` [08:46] because if so, then ssh-pull-id could be a lighter option, only requires your machine to hv ssh server service [08:46] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/phablet-tools/trunk/view/head:/phablet-shell [08:46] @DanChapman, thank you! [08:46] you can also take screen shots make image writable and lots of other stuff with phablet-tools [08:46] you see, there are lots of pieces of inforamtion around, and I miss lots of this pieces, still [08:47] @DanChapman, +1 [08:47] @DanChapman, I will to 2 things, now that I know: … 1. get myself familiar with it … 2. find a way to make others familiar as well, get phablet-tools some exposure [08:49] @KrisJacewicz, Plz open an issue for that on GH, otherwise I loose it again ;) [08:49] I think, since I was not aware of it, there might be more people who also aren't, but what you say it is used for, I think, should be highlighted, everyone who flashes UT on a phone, should really know about it, it should even be mentionned in the GUIO installer [08:54] Yeah we are behind with documenting, I can imagine a "User´s Manual" one day which will have a section for how to hack & optimize the device, and what tools are there. [08:54] @Flohack, understood. As you perhaps see now, I've new info from Dan, very relevant, but still ssh-pull-id can be considered, for it does not depend on phablet-tools being installed on device, alnd also, … @DanChapman , I don't know how phablet-tools works, but I deduce, that it uses adb for exchanging keys. SImply because I am only aware of adb service AND ssh service being readily available on UT. And that is even more overhead on the pc si [08:54] (although I totally praise phablet-tools), just pointing out how ssh-pull-id still has its own advantage. … Also, by default ssh is not enabled, you need to enable it via adb: android-gadget-service enable ssh … (i just flashed nexus5 with UT and did this, but didnt check if it was indeed disabled, it was in the past). … If you don't have adb stack on the pc end, you can do that on-device from Terminal app. And then you can use ssh-pull-id to finish the [08:54] adb required on pc end at all. … @DanChapman does my logic make sense, what do you think? [08:54] Its in fact not obvious in many places how to do things. Starts with that you can pin stuff to the dash, and how. [08:54] @Flohack, I want to contribute to that [08:55] Or that you can navigate between indicators with your finger [08:56] @Flohack the ways I can readily contribute: … 1. Growing documentation … 2. Creating gtk apps, so either for pc end (Linux/Win/OSX) or for xmir scenario on the phone … 3. Creating headless (terminal) apps/tools/services … *I don't hv experience in coding low level Linux stuff: kernel, kernel modules/drivers, etc. [08:57] @KrisJacewicz, Can you Go? 😆 [08:58] @Flohack, no, I am mostly coding in Object Pascal, but I also know C/C++, and website end things like js,css,html. … However, my C/C++ coding is without GUI experience, I have always been doing GUI apps with Object Pascal only [08:58] I am looking for a Go dev at the moment [08:58] so, I can assist in Go written code maintenance, esp if I don't need to design GUI in it [08:59] Yeah its only backend/server code [08:59] @Flohack, no able to help as an independent maintainer, but I can assist, yes [08:59] Oki. I am a totally Go noob so I can´t even assist ;) [09:00] Whats up with Go? I have seen some other projects written in Go for Ubuntu Touch. [09:00] @Flohack, I saw Go code, nbever wrote a line in it, but basically I understand Go code as if I was looking at C++ [09:00]