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| didrocks | good morning! | 07:18 |
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| jibel | morning didrocks | 07:31 |
| didrocks | salut jibel | 07:34 |
| jibel | didrocks, are you feeling better? | 07:36 |
| didrocks | jibel: a little bit, after a night of sweating, I feel the virus is slowely exiting finally… | 07:39 |
| didrocks | so feeling better than yesterday, far from being in full shape though | 07:39 |
| didrocks | and you? All good? | 07:40 |
| jibel | didrocks, yes, i'm all right. | 07:42 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers! | 08:00 |
| didrocks | salut oSoMoN ! | 08:04 |
| oSoMoN | salut didrocks | 08:08 |
| Nafallo | morning o/ | 08:14 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks oSoMoN jibel | 08:37 |
| seb128 | hey Nafallo | 08:37 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 08:37 |
| oSoMoN | salut seb128, ça va? | 08:38 |
| seb128 | ouais, nickel, et toi ? | 08:38 |
| oSoMoN | très bien | 08:39 |
| didrocks | salut seb128 ! | 08:39 |
| oSoMoN | libreoffice 5.4.3 is now in bionic | 08:40 |
| Nafallo | seb128: heh, I didn't get the french hello. not sure if I should feel special or left out :-P | 08:41 |
| willcooke | morning | 08:49 |
| didrocks | good morning willcooke | 08:49 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, great! | 08:51 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke | 08:51 |
| Nafallo | morning willcooke :-) | 08:52 |
| oSoMoN | good morning willcooke | 08:53 |
| willcooke | So, Nafallo wins the dentist prize! No fillings, but I need 4 wisdom teeth out :/ | 08:53 |
| oSoMoN | ouch | 08:53 |
| Nafallo | willcooke: the big question then, what did you ask them to put in instead? :-) | 08:54 |
| willcooke | wooden ones, it's the British way | 08:54 |
| Nafallo | that doesn't sounds efficient at all. would just taste like beer all the time once they've had a chance to soak it up :-P | 08:55 |
| willcooke | wait, that sounds awesome ;) | 08:55 |
| didrocks | willcooke: ok, I won't tell you tomorrow my 4 wisdom teeth story. Once it's done however, I'm happy to share :) | 08:56 |
| Nafallo | didrocks: you could tell beforehand what YOU replaced them with :-P | 08:57 |
| oSoMoN | is it a known issue that the lock screen is very laggy when there's a CPU-intensive task running (like building chromium), to the point that when revealing the login entry after starting to type my password, half (or more) of the keystrokes are lost? | 08:58 |
| didrocks | Nafallo: haha, I just lost wisdom on that day, no replacement :p | 08:58 |
| didrocks | oSoMoN: well, not known, but not surprised (it's under the same users and the Shell in general is really laggy with intensie CPU tasks | 08:59 |
| didrocks | intensive* | 08:59 |
| didrocks | missing inputs and such | 08:59 |
| oSoMoN | didrocks, is it worth filing a bug? IIRC the unity lock screen didn't exhibit this problem | 09:00 |
| didrocks | oSoMoN: please, file one upstream, on the bz tracker (gnome-shell) | 09:00 |
| oSoMoN | ok | 09:00 |
| willcooke | (I saw something about upstream tracking bugs on gitlab now - is that only for certain projects?) | 09:00 |
| oSoMoN | I keep having to type my password twice to unlock my screen, it's annoying | 09:01 |
| jamesh | oSoMoN: I see it too. I'm not seeing lost keystrokes though: rather repeated keystrokes | 09:01 |
| didrocks | willcooke: yeah, only for some, transitionning slowly | 09:02 |
| didrocks | g-s didn't yet, but +1 on the move | 09:02 |
| Nafallo | would it depend on what sort of keyboard connection you use perhaps? | 09:02 |
| willcooke | seb128, jibel - Bluetooth is (most probably) cancelled today as koza is in Taipei. | 09:02 |
| jamesh | i.e. the number of dots is more than the number of characters in my password | 09:02 |
| didrocks | jamesh: indeed, due to how mutter handles key inputs for repeated keys | 09:03 |
| didrocks | (end time - start time, which can be long on a hanging CPU) | 09:03 |
| oSoMoN | jamesh, I also sometimes see repeated keystrokes in gnome-terminal or gedit when under a heavy load, indeed | 09:04 |
| jamesh | didrocks: I read that Wayland handles key repeat in the client rather than the server, so it can happen pretty much anywhere | 09:05 |
| didrocks | indeed | 09:05 |
| oSoMoN | I initially thought it might be due to using an external USB keyboard, but I see the issue with the laptop’s builtin keyboard too | 09:05 |
| jamesh | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=777693 seems to be the relevant bug, which also notes XWayland implementing a work around | 09:08 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 777693 in general "Input event (e. g. typing on keyboard) is sent repeatedly during high load" [Normal,Needinfo] | 09:08 |
| oSoMoN | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=790973 | 09:12 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 790973 in lock-screen "Unlock dialog laggy when under heavy load, drops keystrokes" [Normal,New] | 09:12 |
| seb128 | willcooke, +1 for not doing the bluetooth one without koza & duflu | 09:18 |
| willcooke | bbiab, errands | 09:40 |
| willcooke | back | 10:09 |
| Nafallo | hmm. my lockscreen shortcut changed. is that a bug? :-P | 10:42 |
| didrocks | the default is Super + L under GNOME Shell (and so, on 17.10) | 10:45 |
| Nafallo | hmm. mine was set to ctrl+alt+l... | 10:46 |
| Nafallo | *shrugs* let's ignore it then :-P | 10:46 |
| Nafallo | now I'm not sure how I locked it on 17.04 anymore :-P | 10:47 |
| seb128 | it's a known issue | 10:56 |
| seb128 | we should support the old one since quite some users have trained muscle memory on that combo for over a decade | 10:56 |
| seb128 | it's easy to change in the settings but annoying and can be seen a security issue since some people are likely to ctrl-alt-l -> walk away from the laptop and have it unlocked | 10:57 |
| oSoMoN | yeah, that happened to me quite a few times when I upgraded to artful during the development cycle, and I had to re-train muscle memory to use Super+L | 11:10 |
| Nafallo | ooooh | 11:12 |
| Nafallo | both super+l and ctrl+alt+l works on 16.04 :-P | 11:12 |
| Nafallo | and it's set to ctrl+alt+l in settings | 11:13 |
| Nafallo | is this some kind of unity thing? :-) | 11:13 |
| didrocks | yeah, it was an array, upstream GNOME has a single key which may do the distro-patch hard to maintain | 11:13 |
| didrocks | this is why we let default upstream for 17.10 and wait to revisit that for 18.04, but seems we'll add a second key | 11:14 |
| Nafallo | well, if we don't want users leaving their computers unlocked in open space offices... ;-) | 11:14 |
| Nafallo | thankfully I got hit by it in my home office when getting another coffee :-P | 11:14 |
| frechdachs69 | Q: how do I select which desktop to use (e.g. 'kubuntu-desktop') within a preseed file? | 13:39 |
| andyrock | how can I generate a quilt patch with "diff --git ..." lines | 13:41 |
| didrocks | andyrock: hum, if you committed, git format-patch is compatible | 13:45 |
| andyrock | didrocks: I'm generating a debdiff | 13:48 |
| andyrock | and the debdiff is dirty because it removes all the "diff --git google-..." lines | 13:49 |
| didrocks | ah, you want to do the other way around, hum | 13:49 |
| didrocks | I'm generally doing the other way, editing on the git, and then backporting as a quilt patch | 13:50 |
| didrocks | you have a --diffstat, but this isn't what you want I guess | 13:51 |
| andyrock | well I'll proposed the debdiff as it is :D | 13:55 |
| Trevinho | morning | 13:56 |
| didrocks | morning Trevinho! | 13:57 |
| Trevinho | hi didrocks, ca va? | 13:57 |
| didrocks | Trevinho: still a little bit sick, but starting to get better, and you? | 13:57 |
| Trevinho | I'm good, I took almost a week to recover :o | 13:57 |
| jbicha | didrocks: I'm doing some work on LP: #1585903 and I'm wondering your opinion of how we should handle light-themes | 14:27 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1585903 in Ubuntu GNOME "Make it possible to remove gtk2" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1585903 | 14:27 |
| jbicha | how likely is it that the 18.04 theme will be shipped in light-themes? will there be a separate Ambiance theme in a separate binary package for users to install? | 14:28 |
| jbicha | (the problem is that gtk2 themes depend on libgtk2.0-0) | 14:30 |
| didrocks | jbicha: answered! I guess splitting is fine | 14:30 |
| didrocks | we will have Ambiance by default, need just to have the gtk2 Ambiance variant installed by default | 14:30 |
| didrocks | we can relax the dep if needed manually | 14:30 |
| didrocks | (as we did in the past for sni-qt to not dep on Qt) | 14:31 |
| jbicha | so currently, you expect the 18.04 theme to still be named Ambiance? | 14:31 |
| didrocks | jbicha: good chance, making a new theme isn't straightfoward and we should plan for the worst case :) | 14:31 |
| jbicha | I think this is a great usecase for conditional dependencies: if gtk2 and Numix is installed, then install numix-gtk2 for instance | 14:32 |
| didrocks | well, we don't have that in apt | 14:32 |
| didrocks | so, the way we dealt with this in the past is this ^ hacking the ${Depends} | 14:33 |
| didrocks | the first app which will need it will dep on GTK2, and so, will pull the dep | 14:33 |
| jbicha | right, that's basically my strategy for the default install. Once gtk2 is no longer installed by default, I guess it can recommend all the popular gtk2 themes :| | 14:35 |
| didrocks | well, we still want the default experience to be fine for people installing it | 14:36 |
| didrocks | like people pulling any app that is dep on GTK2 | 14:36 |
| didrocks | that's why we still want Ambiance to be installed by default | 14:36 |
| didrocks | (GTK2 & GTK3 versions) | 14:37 |
| didrocks | however, relaxing the deps is fine IMHO | 14:37 |
| didrocks | so that it doesn't pull gtk2 | 14:37 |
| jbicha | my plan was to have libgtk2.0-0 Recommend light-themes-gtk2 (it can't be a Depends unless we don't care about the circular dependency problem) | 14:37 |
| didrocks | but still having light-themes-gtk2 seeded, correct? | 14:38 |
| jbicha | not explicitly no | 14:38 |
| didrocks | hum, this isn't what I just explained on how we do it :/ | 14:38 |
| didrocks | there is no reason for libgtk2.0-0 to recommend a particular theme | 14:38 |
| jbicha | Ubuntu's libgtk2.0-0 arguably should recommend Ubuntu's gtk2 theme as long as we don't have a conditional dependency feature | 14:39 |
| jbicha | as of yesterday, Debian unstable's gtk2 recommends Adwaita for instance | 14:40 |
| didrocks | sounds weird | 14:41 |
| didrocks | but still, my advise is to do the same way we handled optional modules and features: | 14:41 |
| didrocks | advice* | 14:41 |
| didrocks | - have light-themes-gtk2 seeded by default | 14:42 |
| didrocks | - relax (in debian/rules, hack the generated shlib dep) the dep between light-themes-gtk2 to libgtk2 to not be listed | 14:42 |
| didrocks | That way, people will have the theme available, and the first application needed GTK2 will fullfil the necessary dep | 14:42 |
| jbicha | oh, ugh | 14:43 |
| jbicha | that sounds a bit horrible but it might work | 14:44 |
| didrocks | it does | 14:44 |
| jbicha | I mean I guess my proposal is a bit horrible too! | 14:44 |
| didrocks | that's how we handled for a long time having Qt modules with ubuntu's behavior without pulling Qt | 14:44 |
| didrocks | yeah, at least, we don't pull our theme for other derivatives | 14:44 |
| didrocks | contrary to having a recommends | 14:44 |
| didrocks | which will impact all flavors | 14:45 |
| jbicha | I guess it might not even be worth splitting light-themes if we can do the shlibs hack | 14:47 |
| didrocks | not mandatory, still an option if you want | 14:47 |
| didrocks | I don't have strong opinions | 14:48 |
| didrocks | jbicha: just override dh_shlibdeps with -X | 14:48 |
| oSoMoN | didrocks, do you mind if I merge https://github.com/ubuntu/snapcraft-desktop-helpers/pull/87 ? | 15:36 |
| oSoMoN | or do you want to review it too? | 15:36 |
| kenvandine | oSoMoN, i was about hit merge that :) | 15:37 |
| oSoMoN | kenvandine, then please go ahead! | 15:37 |
| kenvandine | oSoMoN, can you give PR 86 a test? | 15:38 |
| kenvandine | it works great with the platform snap | 15:38 |
| oSoMoN | checking | 15:39 |
| didrocks | oSoMoN: yeah, kenvandine is maintaining it more than I do now :) | 15:39 |
| kenvandine | oSoMoN, thx | 15:39 |
| oSoMoN | I pinged didrocks out of habit… | 15:40 |
| didrocks | :) | 15:41 |
| oSoMoN | kenvandine, what generates the mime.cache file in the gnome platform snap? | 16:08 |
| kenvandine | oSoMoN, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+junk/gnome-3-26-1604/view/head:/snapcraft.yaml#L85 | 16:13 |
| oSoMoN | ok, so I could do something similar in the libreoffice snap | 16:14 |
| oSoMoN | PR #86 seems to work well, +1 from me | 16:14 |
| oSoMoN | kenvandine, feel free to merge | 16:18 |
| * oSoMoN → chiropractor | 16:20 | |
| kenvandine | oSoMoN, thx | 16:21 |
| * kenvandine triggers rebuilds of all the gnome snaps to pickup the new helpers | 17:23 | |
| cyphermox | willcooke: around? | 17:52 |
| willcooke | cyphermox, otp, but can reply async | 17:52 |
| cyphermox | ack | 17:52 |
| willcooke | night all. London tomorrow so won't be around first thing probably. | 18:23 |
| robert_ancell | kenvandine: hi! | 20:29 |
| kenvandine | hey robert_ancell | 20:29 |
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