[06:36] <doko> jbicha: could you ping Debian #862425?
[07:21] <doko> kirkland: byobu: Depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, gettext-base, net-tools, python3 | python, python3-newt | python-newt
[07:21] <doko> don't do that, breaking the dependency system
[10:19] <doko> cjwatson: what's the future of system-config-kickstart? it's seeded in supported-sysadmin-desktop, uses Python2
[10:19] <doko> and no bug subscriber
[10:29] <cjwatson> doko: I've subscribed to its bugs.  I'll have a look at some point - it probably has a new upstream
[11:44] <doko> cpaelzer, coreycb, jamespage: I have assigned a lot of the bugs filed with the py2-demotion tag to ubuntu-server, whereever I found the server team as a bug subscriber. excluded are the openstack packages
[12:04] <rbasak> doko: OOI, has Ubuntu committed to maintaining a delta for all of these? Or is the expectation to just send patches to Debian and wait? Do we have a specific target?
[12:05] <rbasak> A specific target release I mean.
[12:46] <cpaelzer> can I reverse search on package removal from archive in Debian?
[12:46] <cpaelzer> like (why) was package X removed?
[12:47] <seb128> cpaelzer, you can go on the bts page of the package
[12:48] <seb128> cpaelzer, e.g https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gdm.html the top entry is the removal which includes the details if you click on it
[12:50] <cpaelzer> thanks seb128
[14:07] <jbicha> doko: ping sent
[14:08] <doko> rbasak: sorry, where does the requirement to get a commitment come from? sure, we can demote these as well
[14:08] <doko> jbicha: ta
[14:08] <jbicha> pcre2 gave me a really bad first impression of dgit 😢
[14:09] <doko> good, then I'm not alone ;p
[14:10] <jbicha> doko: have you seen https://browse.dgit.debian.org/pcre2.git/ ?
[14:10] <rbasak> doko: I wasn't aware that removal of Python 2 from main was intended for this cycle, and to my knowledge the server team hasn't planned time for this.
[14:11] <jbicha> too bad the pcre2 packaging doesn't use Vcs fields in debian/control and too bad it doesn't preserve all that commit metadata in debian/patches/
[14:11] <rbasak> doko: was it communicated somewhere that I'm missing? This is the first I've heard of this (specific work to introduce a delta that is, rather than the general desire to remove Python 2 which of course I know about)
[14:13] <doko> rbasak: I would like to, but this depends on openstack migrating to Python3.  Yes, I think we communicated that before the last two or three LTSes. Feel free to search the mailing lists, and maybe even some blueprints
[14:14] <doko> but maybe you missed it
[14:22] <rbasak> doko: if you can't point to a definitive communication (eg. with an URL) where you made it clear that you wanted this for Bionic and that you'd expect the server team to move the server-maintained packages with a delta, then I don't think it's reasonable for you to spring this on us now. But I'll check with my manager.
[14:23] <doko> rbasak: well, I hope you have planned some time to work on the server seeds then, doesn't look like these have been worked on for ages
[14:23] <rbasak> doko: please can you be specific about what needs doing with the server seeds?
[14:23] <doko> rbasak: explicit seeding of python2 modules
[14:24] <rbasak> For the python2 removal? See above.
[14:39] <jamespage> rbasak, doko: I think the server seeds need some general housekeeping; there are multiple ways to get things seeded, and I think its over-populated atm with things that should just be depends
[14:56] <Anticom> Hi all. I'd like to know whether https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-bluetooth/+bug/1595695 is going to be addressed or whether you actually *want* to leave the indicator's behaviour as is?
[18:23] <jbicha> icey: my email looks fine here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2017-November/040054.html
[20:16] <slangasek> cpaelzer: are you looking for a particular package?  you can look at e.g. https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/moodle/+publishinghistory
[20:17] <slangasek> that question was many hours old, wasn't it
[20:26] <coreycb> bdmurray: can i get a new version of neutron into artful-proposed at this point or do i need to wait for the current proposed version to complete verification? there's a high-impact bug fix that just became ready to cherry-pick.
[20:26] <sarnold> yes, yes it was :) but still, interesting..
[20:38] <bdmurray> coreycb: its up to you, upload another if you want
[20:38] <coreycb> bdmurray: ok i'll upload another with the both bug's referenced in the latest changelog and bump the version
[21:26] <ahasenack> does anybody know if this dep8 test failure is an infrastructure random issue? It looks like a timeout in the cloud that is used for the tests: https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-bionic/bionic/i386/q/quagga/20171130_164223_ee46e@/log.gz
[21:26] <ahasenack> scroll to the very end
[21:35] <ahasenack> here is another failure type: " [16:09:45]: ERROR: erroneous package: Test dependencies are unsatisfiable. A common reason is that your testbed is out of date with respect to the archive, and you need to use a current testbed or run apt-get update or use -U."
[21:36] <ahasenack> anything I, the uploader, can do? Or is this an infrastructure problem, i.e., the image is out of date and/or inconsistent
[22:17] <slangasek> ahasenack: yes, that looks like an infra issue
[22:18] <slangasek> ahasenack: so it should be manually retried
[22:18] <ahasenack> slangasek: can you hit the button for me? I don't have perms (my upload was sponsored)
[22:18] <ahasenack> it's iproute2 in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[22:19] <slangasek> ahasenack: done
[22:19] <ahasenack> thanks a lot
[22:19] <wxl> hey i accidentially dput git when i meant it to go to a ppa so smack that down from me if you ssee it
[22:20] <ahasenack> wxl: dput without a target? I use this trick: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26084332/ :)
[22:20] <wxl> good idea ahasenack
[22:20] <wxl> shame, shame, shame
[23:36] <coreycb> bdmurray: i've uploaded a new version of neutron to the artful queue. that can replace version 2:11.0.2-0ubuntu1 that is currently in proposed.
[23:37] <bdmurray> coreycb: ack
[23:39] <bdmurray> coreycb: what is its status in bionic?
[23:41] <coreycb> bdmurray: eh. looks like the builder is moving slow. it's waiting to build in proposed.