[00:01] <pizzaburger> TJ-: Dang. I'm trying to think of something. Changing the most sensitive passwords so the ones in the KPXC db are invalid?
[00:02] <TJ-> pizzaburger: this is one of the problems when you don't keep timely back-ups
[00:02] <TJ-> pizzaburger: was it not distributed to other PCs?
[00:03] <pizzaburger> TJ-: Absolutely, lessons will be learnt
[00:04] <boxbeatsy> hi, does anyone know how i can create a shortcut to scale 4 windows side by side on each of my dual monitors?
[00:04] <pizzaburger> TJ-: Well, no. The issue is more concerning privacy, and not being unable to access services, since the vast majority of the passowords/logins are recently migrated from lastpass, and the rest are tied up with my email, so I can recover them
[00:05] <TJ-> pizzaburger: oh, well that's good news! I thought they were effectively lost
[00:06] <pizzaburger> TJ-: So I can assume that it going to take no less than a few months to shed some light on this issue, right?
[00:07] <TJ-> pizzaburger: weeks I'd hope; it depends on finding more time to debug some more; as you know, it's very time intensive when it has to be done remotely via third hands
[00:08] <pizzaburger> TJ-: That's calming. So I still have a part in this? I though you had enough data
[00:10] <TJ-> pizzaburger: no; because we still can't tell why you get the failed mount. The problem there is figuring out how to get more data. It looks like it may need some kernel debug probes setting up on the key ecrypfs functions, which is bad enough to do locally
[00:12] <pizzaburger> TJ-: Oh wow, I understand now. So I
[00:15] <pizzaburger> TJ-: [...] I'll start thinking about how to alleviate some of the privacy concerns if I should choose to send you the system.
[00:15] <pizzaburger> TJ-: And of course if you decide to take on this task
[00:17] <boxbeatsy> hi, does anyone know of an easy way to create shortcuts to tile 4 windows side by side?
[00:17] <pizzaburger> TJ-: In the meantime I'll be visiting here regulary, and if you have any updates just leave me a memo!
[00:18] <DJAnonimo> hello
[00:18] <DJAnonimo> I want my shell in colors
[00:19] <DJAnonimo> root have colors but can't get it on a user. i tried to add some lines found on google in .bashrc and execute it but with no luck
[00:19] <DJAnonimo> anyone can help
[00:19] <TJ-> pizzaburger: will do once I've figured out a set of probes
[00:21] <pizzaburger> TJ-: Okay, see you around, and thanks again!
[00:44] <boxbeatsy> hi, does anyone how i can create a keyboard shortcut that resizes my window to a specific position on the screen (i'm trying to make it easy to have 4 text editors side by side)?
[00:45] <EldritchGuardian> is anyone good with wine or playonlinux I could use some help, msg me if your available
[00:47] <EldritchGuardian> so noone...
[00:48] <bazhang> EldritchGuardian, we sk in channel here, for actual wine issues there is a place
[00:48] <EldritchGuardian> and where is that?
[00:48] <bazhang> #winehq EldritchGuardian after checking the appdb
[00:48] <bazhang> !appdb | EldritchGuardian
[00:49] <ibmr50e> yo guys, my Steam on linux wont start
[00:49] <ibmr50e> i want my money back
[00:49] <bazhang> ibmr50e, contact steam
[00:50] <EldritchGuardian> ibmr50e, what seems to be the problem
[00:51] <ibmr50e> where i can upload screenshot to show you guys?
[00:51] <EldritchGuardian> imgur, postimg
[01:00] <demiurge> ,g #packer-tool
[01:00] <demiurge> oops
[01:11] <ibmr50e> https://imgur.com/a/yrfdm
[01:12] <ponyrider> wat?
[01:12] <ponyrider> what are we mean to do with that?
[01:12] <capella> nice .... blank signin screen
[01:13] <capella> Let's give him his user id and password!
[01:13] <ponyrider> ibmr50e: are you using steam-runtime or steam-native?
[01:13] <ibmr50e> these white squares dude
[01:13] <ponyrider> i love how you hid the tickbox. nice touch
[01:13] <ibmr50e> and after i log in theres loggin procedure and it says "Updating User Configuration" and then all disappears
[01:13] <ibmr50e> i didnt hide anything
[01:14] <ibmr50e> these white squares are not made by me
[01:14] <ponyrider> ibmr50e: are you using steam-runtime or steam-native?
[01:14] <ibmr50e> GUI is broken
[01:14] <ibmr50e> steam-runtime i think
[01:14] <ibmr50e> Running Steam on ubuntu 17.10 32-bit
[01:14] <ibmr50e> STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically
[01:15] <ponyrider> try running steam native and also try following an ubuntu guide to get it going
[01:21] <boxbeatsy> does anyone know if there's a way to create a specific terminal/application layout that loads on reboot? i'd like to have a number of text editors automatically launched and browsers positioned in specific areas on reboot.
[01:23] <ibmr50e> here is my steam crash info: https://imgur.com/a/7efo0 !!
[01:23] <ibmr50e> the reason is hidden here
[01:25] <ponyrider> post the dump
[01:25] <ibmr50e> how do i open it
[01:25] <ibmr50e> or where to upload
[01:25] <ponyrider> !sprunge
[01:26] <ponyrider> !pastebin
[01:26] <ponyrider> post the crash_2017.*.dmp file
[01:29] <ponyrider> steam is in the ubuntu multiverse
[01:29] <ponyrider> $ sudo add-apt-repository multiverse
[01:29] <ponyrider> $ sudo apt-get install steam
[01:29] <ponyrider> you should use that one
[01:29] <ibmr50e> thats what i did too
[01:29] <ibmr50e> didnt work too
[01:30] <ibmr50e> i cant post crash.dmp it's not a text file!!
[01:32] <ponyrider> ibmr50e: reinstall mesa and maybe also possible lib32-mesa
[01:32] <ibmr50e> kk
[01:33] <nitrooogen> hello everyone, I am running into a problem that bothered me a lot. Whenever the bluetooth stops working then it does not work again. Anybody familiar with such a problem ?
[01:34] <ponyrider> sudo systemctl restart bluetooth.service
[01:35] <nitrooogen> even that won't work
[01:35] <ponyrider> why not?
[01:35] <nitrooogen> the main problem is that the device itself won't be up. hciconfig up fails
[01:36] <ponyrider> why not use bluetoothctl?
[01:36] <nitrooogen> that's what I use. bluetoothctl show it will say power: no
[01:36] <ponyrider> power on
[01:36] <nitrooogen> and if I try power on. It gives me an error.
[01:37] <ponyrider> what error?
[01:37] <nitrooogen> Failed to start discovery: org.bluez.Error.NotReady
[01:37] <nitrooogen> whenever I try scan on after a power on
[01:37] <EldritchGuardian> im about to drill a screw into my skull, linux has to be so frustrating
[01:37] <nitrooogen> Failed to set power on: org.bluez.Error.Failed
[01:38] <ponyrider> what is the output of: systemctl status bluetooth.service?
[01:39] <nitrooogen> bluetoothd[1200]: Failed to set mode: Failed (0x03)
[01:39] <ponyrider> that is all?
[01:39] <nitrooogen> that's like the last 10 lines that shows up
[01:40] <ponyrider> did you isntall the bluez and bluez-utils packages?
[01:40] <nitrooogen> bluetoothd[4554]: Not enough free handles to register service
[01:40] <nitrooogen> Nov 29 18:40:04 z50 bluetoothd[4554]: Not enough free handles to register service
[01:40] <nitrooogen> Nov 29 18:40:04 z50 bluetoothd[4554]: Current Time Service could not be registered
[01:40] <nitrooogen> Nov 29 18:40:04 z50 bluetoothd[4554]: gatt-time-server: Input/output error (5)
[01:40] <nitrooogen> Nov 29 18:40:04 z50 bluetoothd[4554]: Not enough free handles to register service
[01:40] <nitrooogen> Nov 29 18:40:04 z50 bluetoothd[4554]: Not enough free handles to register service
[01:40] <nitrooogen> Nov 29 18:40:04 z50 bluetoothd[4554]: Sap driver initialization failed.
[01:40] <ponyrider> lol
[01:40] <ibmr50e> lol
[01:41] <ibmr50e> rip nitro
[01:42] <ponyrider> what is the output of rfkill nitrooogen
[01:42] <dax> !paste
[01:43] <nitrooogen> I am so sorry
[01:43] <nitrooogen> I really a total noob
[01:44] <ponyrider> nitrooogen: rfkill list nitrooogen
[01:44] <nitrooogen> the rfkill iis nothing blocked
[01:45] <nitrooogen> like everything is no
[01:45] <ponyrider> did you isntall the bluez and bluez-utils packages?
[01:46] <nitrooogen> what is bluez-utils ?
[01:46] <ponyrider> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=bluez-utils
[01:46] <ponyrider> sudo apt-get install bluez bluez-utils
[01:47] <nitrooogen> E: Package 'bluez-utils' has no installation candidate
[01:47] <kostkon> !find bluez-utils
[01:48] <xangua> Bluez already comes installed in Ubuntu
[01:48] <ponyrider> make sure you have the bluez package though
[01:48] <nitrooogen> yeah I have that and I also tried reinstall it and nothing was changed
[01:49] <ponyrider> journalctl -b 0 -u bluetooth.service
[01:50] <nitrooogen> do you want me to paste it here ?
[01:51] <ponyrider> yes
[01:51] <ponyrider> use the pastebin
[01:51] <nitrooogen> how to I use it ? (excuse my ignorance)
[01:52] <ponyrider> nitrooogen: journalctl -b 0 -u bluetooth.service| curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
[01:55] <nitrooogen> http://sprunge.us/HNPW
[01:58] <ponyrider> might be a bug / unsupported hardware. are you using a dongle by any chance?
[01:59] <nitrooogen> No I am using the machine's device.
[02:00] <nitrooogen> I thought the same thing because I saw different people using other distros having the same problem and the same machine
[02:01] <nitrooogen> like most of the time a reboot would do it. But sometimes I need to do couple of reboots which I really hate doing especially in the middle of a movie or a long video.
[02:02] <nitrooogen> Anyway, thank you very much for your time. I really appreciate your effort.
[02:34] <Neo1> guys I think how to fast work with ubuntu server, and seems editor learn don't need
[02:45] <arktvrvs> why is it when i try to install portaudio19-dev it tries to uninstall a bunch of other stuff? and why does apt show that it conflicts with packages which dont seem to exist?
[02:47] <tatertots> arktvrvs: it's a dependency thing...
[02:48] <tatertots> arktvrvs: the system actually tells you that if you know where to look
[02:51] <psrb1919plus21> 17.10 Ubuntu on gpd pocket anyone?
[02:51] <tubal> Hello. Running 17.04. Rebooted not long ago and now I have no sound. I could just exit and restart a session, or reboot, but I'd rather try to remedy or diagnose the problem. Any ideas where I should start?
[03:08] <tubal> Well... for the record, fixed it by running pavucontrol, and on the Configuration tab, changing Profile from Analog Stereo Duplex to another, and then back.
[03:28] <blakehschwartz75> Hello!
[03:28] <blakehschwartz75> Looking for help with a borked system
[03:29] <blakehschwartz75> Attempted to update to ubuntu 17.10 from 16.04 by installing manually in a dual-boot system
[03:30] <blakehschwartz75> have attempted getting help on the community forums, and in the ubuntu-budgie gitter channel
[03:31] <blakehschwartz75> The problem seems to be that my partitions became unmounted. I'm trying to repair grub2 but unable to complete one of the steps
[03:33] <blakehschwartz75> anyone on here that does support?
[03:33] <ponyrider> try to be more specific
[03:34] <blakehschwartz75> ok thanks. will need a moment
[03:44] <blakehschwartz75> Ok so essentially my story is, I set up a dual-boot system with Windows 10 and it's worked well for a while now. When I went to upgrade to 17.10 I read that you're supposed to use the built-in software update tool, but I didn't have an option to upgrade the OS from there
[03:44] <blakehschwartz75> So, I created a new liveUSB with the 17.10 ISO, and tried to install that
[03:45] <blakehschwartz75> I got an error message, and now when I try to boot into my 16.04 installation it drops me into initramfs
[03:46] <blakehschwartz75> I can boot in using the 17.10 trial image, and I can see in gparted and from the command line that my old partitions and files are there - but when I try to install 17.10 using the installation wizard I don't have the option to mount anything
[03:47] <blakehschwartz75> I was trying to do the grub2 re-install/repair workflow listed here: http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[03:47] <blakehschwartz75> I can mount the partition that includes the 16.04 OS, but when I try to do the chroot step it fails
[03:52] <blakehschwartz75> Specifically, it fails with the message `chroot: failed to run command '/bin/bash': No such file or directory`
[03:53] <blakehschwartz75> From what I can tell googling the error, the /mnt directory may not contain bash. I tried copying it and the utilities it depends on into there following a post I found online, but still get the same result
[03:54] <blakehschwartz75> At this point, I'd just like to try and save my /home partition and I'll probably end up having to re-install
[03:55] <ponyrider> show me that chroot command you typed
[03:55] <blakehschwartz75> but, I thought I'd check here as a last resort in case anyone has any ideas on how to remount/repair the existing partitions. At some point in my attempted rescue operations Windows also became unusable, and just shows a black Windows Boot Manger screen
[03:55] <blakehschwartz75> sure, just a second
[03:55] <blakehschwartz75> It was `sudo chroot /mnt`
[03:56] <blakehschwartz75> per the grub2 repair instructions
[03:58] <ponyrider> blakehschwartz75: you did all of this? http://sprunge.us/SeRV
[04:00] <blakehschwartz75> @ponyrider yes
[04:00] <ponyrider> and you are sure you mounted the correct partition?
[04:00] <ponyrider> what is the output of: sudo blkid
[04:01] <blakehschwartz75> I'm pretty sure it's the one that I set up as /, which had the actual OS binary on it
[04:01] <blakehschwartz75> hang on just a sec - need to switch machines
[04:01] <ponyrider> check you are using the correct partition number
[04:12] <blakehschwartz75> Ok finally on the other machine
[04:14] <blakehschwartz75> ponyrider: output of blkid https://paste.ubuntu.com/26077207/
[04:16] <PlainDave> Well, this is interesting. I installed Flightgear in my new OS, Bunsenlabs. I rebooted and ran it. It was as jumpy as the early versions of Microsoft flight sim. So I rebooted again and got into Xubuntu and ran FG. It runs very smooth.
[04:16] <blakehschwartz75> Also - pastebin from boot repair if it helps: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25848170/
[04:17] <ponyrider> blakehschwartz75: its not sda1, that is your usb stick
[04:18] <blakehschwartz75> yeah. I have a newer SSD so it's nvme0n1p6
[04:18] <blakehschwartz75> I believe
[04:19] <ponyrider> it would have to be n1p6/7
[04:19] <Bashing-om> blakehschwartz75: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25848170/ >>  " The Paste you are looking for does not currently exist." ... try again please .
[04:20] <ponyrider> well taht is the one you  have to mount before all the other chroot commands
[04:20] <blakehschwartz75> Ah shoot I wonder if it expired...
[04:20] <blakehschwartz75> yeah, I did mount that one first
[04:23] <blakehschwartz75> also - link to the issue I posted on the forums (with add'l screenshots)
[04:23] <ponyrider> why do we want that?
[04:24] <blakehschwartz75> just thought it might be helpful
[04:25] <blakehschwartz75> I mounted nvme0n1p6, which should be my old root partition. nvme0n1p7 would be my old /home directory
[04:27] <ponyrider> ok sounds good
[04:30] <ponyrider> btw you should also mount nvme0n1p1 as /mnt/boot and THEN chroot so you can fix your bootloader
[04:30] <ponyrider> blakehschwartz75: ^
[04:32] <blakehschwartz75> oh...
[04:32] <blakehschwartz75> ok so mount that, then run run the chroot command
[04:32] <donnie> can someone help me with ssh passwordless login?
[04:32] <ponyrider> mount n1p6 as /mnt then n1p1 as /mnt/boot, then chroot
[04:32] <hermanguse> help
[04:34] <blakehschwartz75> hmm, tried mounting n1p1, then chroot - same as before - same result
[04:34] <ponyrider> blakehschwartz75: i need more info
[04:35] <ponyrider> donnie: https://www.ssh.com/ssh/copy-id#sec-Copy-the-key-to-a-server
[04:35] <blakehschwartz75> The guy that was helping me on the ubuntu budgie channel suggested that maybe something got screwed up by the unmounting/installation error. would that account for this?
[04:35] <blakehschwartz75> ponyrider: what other info can I get you?
[04:35] <blakehschwartz75> really appreciate the help
[04:36] <hermanguse> i was buy new laptop lenovo ideapad320-14AST than installing full ubuntu 17.10, after installing, problem first,  the touchpad not working, second the wifi lost someminutes after connecting a wifi channel, could you maybe give me help about this case?
[04:36] <donnie> thanks ponyrider, I'll try that. it looks similar to what I've been doing, but will follow the commands.
[04:37] <ponyrider> so are you *sure* that n1p6 is the '/' directory? if you cd into the /mnt folder, do you see: bin, etc, home, mnt, root, proc ..etc
[04:37] <blakehschwartz75> yeah, I do see all that stuff
[04:38] <hermanguse> help 11.36
[04:39] <ponyrider> hermanguse: output of xinput?
[04:41] <ponyrider> blakehschwartz75: and you get output from: mount | grep nvme0n1p6  ?
[04:42] <hermanguse> ponyrider: the touchpad not working on my lenovo 320 ubuntu 17.10
[04:42] <blakehschwartz75> ponyrider: /dev/nvme0n1p6 on /mnt type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)
[04:42] <ponyrider> ok so its mounted
[04:44] <blakehschwartz75> yeah it looks that way
[04:46] <ponyrider> so you *should* be able to chroot after the 'mount --bind' commmands. what is the exact error?
[04:46] <blakehschwartz75> do I need to re-run the bind commands?
[04:47] <ponyrider> yes
[04:47] <blakehschwartz75> ok I'll try that
[04:47] <ponyrider> you were mounting the wrong partition before!
[04:48] <hermanguse>  Virtual core pointer                    	id=2	[master pointer  (3)]
[04:48] <hermanguse> ⎜   ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer              	id=4	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[04:48] <hermanguse> ⎜   ↳ xwayland-pointer:13                     	id=6	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[04:48] <hermanguse> ⎜   ↳ xwayland-relative-pointer:13            	id=7	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[04:48] <hermanguse> ⎣ Virtual core keyboard                   	id=3	[master keyboard (2)]
[04:48] <hermanguse>     ↳ Virtual core XTEST keyboard             	id=5	[slave  keyboard (3)]
[04:49] <blakehschwartz75> ok I tried re-running the bind commands, still getting the error: `sudo chroot /mnt chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: No such file or directory`
[04:49] <blakehschwartz75> clear
[04:49] <hermanguse> help
[04:50] <hermanguse> support to touchpad not working on lenovo ideapad 320 ubuntu 17.10
[05:00] <blakehschwartz75> Hey ponyrider, still there?
[05:00] <ponyrider> blakehschwartz75: did you try chroot /mnt /usr/bin/bash ?
[05:00] <blakehschwartz75> I think firefox is dying on my other machine
[05:00] <ponyrider> chroot /mnt /bin/sh even?
[05:00] <blakehschwartz75> yeah I did try that before, I'll try again
[05:02] <blakehschwartz75> Ok back again
[05:02] <blakehschwartz75> sorry
[05:04] <blakehschwartz75> yeah still getting the same output from `sudo chroot /mnt /mnt/bin/bash`
[05:04] <blakehschwartz75> and sudo chroot /mnt /mnt/sh
[05:04] <ponyrider> no /usr/bin/bash
[05:05] <blakehschwartz75> yeah... oddly I don't have a /usr/bin/bash... I have /usr/bin/bashbug
[05:06] <blakehschwartz75> ubuntu@ubuntu:/$ sudo chroot /mnt /usr/bin/ba baobab    base32    base64    basename  bashbug
[05:06] <ponyrider> try: chroot /mnt /usr/bin/sh
[05:06] <blakehschwartz75> same
[05:07] <ponyrider> if you can't chroot i dont think you can restore your system. so the best bet would be to backup your $HOME directory
[05:07] <bcowan> remember the /bin/bash is inside of the chroot not from real_root
[05:08] <blakehschwartz75> shoot... ok
[05:08] <ponyrider> yes we know thnkx
[05:09] <ponyrider> for some reason you have no bash or sh in your /bin. that is bad
[05:09] <ponyrider> /usr/bin is just a symlink so i am completely wrong on that count
[05:10] <blakehschwartz75> ok. yeah I figured that was not normal
[05:10] <ponyrider> actually.. no its real.
[05:11] <ponyrider> anyway. goodluck w the chroot i think your screwed though sorry
[05:12] <ducasse> blakehschwartz75: you have no /bin/bash?
[05:12] <ponyrider> blakehschwartz75: what if say, you copied /bin/bash to /mnt/bin/bash... ?
[05:12] <ponyrider> ducasse: he has no bin bash, he screwed up an ubuntu install and now cant chroot
[05:12] <Bashing-om> ponyrider: if it helps " sysop@x1604:~$ ls -al /bin/bash >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1037528 May 16  2017 /bin/bash" .
[05:13] <blakehschwartz75> I tried something like that before, based on an article like this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/128046/chroot-failed-to-run-command-bin-bash-no-such-file-or-directory
[05:13] <ponyrider> might work? we just need a shell
[05:14] <ducasse> what about /bin/dash?
[05:15] <ponyrider> my distro symlinks sh --> bash
[05:15] <ponyrider> cray. death to sh
[05:16] <blakehschwartz75> ok so would I just do `cp /bin/bash /mnt/bin`?
[05:17] <blakehschwartz75> or is there a better command
[05:17] <ponyrider> yes. you might need to chown and chmod too but you should try
[05:18] <hermanguse> help
[05:18] <blakehschwartz75> ok thanks I'll try
[05:18] <hermanguse> quit
[05:18] <ducasse> on ubuntu sh is a symlink to dash
[05:19] <ponyrider> ducasse: because you guys are crazy
[05:19] <ducasse> ponyrider: don't you think i know that? :)
[05:19] <blakehschwartz75> ok curious... I do have ls /mnt/bin/dash
[05:20] <blakehschwartz75> what is dash btw?
[05:20] <blakehschwartz75> ... or dare I ask
[05:20] <ponyrider> debian almquist shell
[05:20] <blakehschwartz75> ok
[05:21] <blakehschwartz75> so... maybe I should try sudo chroot /mnt /mnt/bin/dash?
[05:22] <ponyrider> no -- chroot /mnt /bin/dash
[05:23] <blakehschwartz75> hmm same issue
[05:23] <blakehschwartz75> weird
[05:26] <ponyrider> blakehschwartz75: sudo find /mnt/bin \( -name bash -o -name dash -o -name zsh -o -name ksh -o -name sh \)
[05:27] <ponyrider> if you have nothing cp /bin/bash or whatever to /mnt/bin
[05:27] <blakehschwartz75> `/mnt/bin/dash /mnt/bin/sh /mnt/bin/bash`
[05:27] <ponyrider> wtf
[05:28] <blakehschwartz75> hah!! yeah I feel like I have a knack for weird issues like this
[05:28] <blakehschwartz75> creating them that is
[05:28] <ponyrider> type /mnt/bin/bash
[05:28] <ponyrider> this is BS!
[05:28] <blakehschwartz75> totally!!
[05:29] <blakehschwartz75> when I type that I get no output
[05:29] <ponyrider> ls -l /mnt/bin/bash
[05:29] <blakehschwartz75> `-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1099016 Nov 19 05:17 /mnt/bin/bash`
[05:30] <bcowan> an idea ...clear the env and call chroot directly too           env -i HOME=/root TERM=$TERM /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt /bin/bash -l
[05:30] <blakehschwartz75> sorry - I guess the backticks don't do anything here
[05:30] <blakehschwartz75> force of habit
[05:31] <blakehschwartz75> bcowan: seems like that's worth a shot...
[05:33] <blakehschwartz75> env -i HOME=/root TERM=$TERM sudo /usr/sbin/chroot /mnt /bin/bash -l /usr/sbin/chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: No such file or directory
[05:33] <blakehschwartz75> now before I ran that I did this: echo $HOME /home/ubuntu
[05:34] <blakehschwartz75> does that seem like the correct output? I'm running the trial version of 17.10
[05:35] <bcowan> yes
[05:35] <ponyrider> what happens if you just type $ /mnt/bin/bash
[05:35] <blakehschwartz75> ok after running the command you pasted it's still showing the same thing for $HOME
[05:36] <blakehschwartz75> ponyrider: no output
[05:37] <ponyrider> erm.. your now using the bash in the /mnt/bin/ directory. type exit...
[05:37] <ponyrider> so its there and it works. i dont understand this voodoo
[05:38] <blakehschwartz75> ah wait sorry - I mean it just puts me back in the same bash prompt
[05:40] <blakehschwartz75> oh wait I see what you mean... it returns the same prompt: ubuntu@ubuntu:/$ /mnt/bin/bash ubuntu@ubuntu:/$
[05:40] <blakehschwartz75> but my shell history list is only from the new session
[05:41] <blakehschwartz75> so it sounds like it's working
[05:42] <blakehschwartz75> I'm seeing a bunch of articles about creating a chroot jail... like this one: http://allanfeid.com/content/creating-chroot-jail-ssh-access
[05:42] <blakehschwartz75> Think I tried something like this a week or two ago...
[05:42] <blakehschwartz75> but, if bash is there I shouldn't need to do that i wouldn't think
[05:49] <bcowan> i surely would have made a /mnt/blah dir and mounted there instead of just /mnt but that's just semantics...off to bed
[05:52] <blakehschwartz75> ok thanks bcowan
[06:05] <blakehschwartz75> ponyrider any other ideas?
[06:05] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: are you still having boot issues?
[06:06] <blakehschwartz75> alksig yes
[06:06] <alkisg> (good morning all, btw)
[06:06] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: could you write a small summary about them?
[06:06] <blakehschwartz75> ah! good morning as well
[06:11] <blakehschwartz75> alksig: sorry, just a minute
[06:15] <blakehschwartz75> alkisg: So I tried to install 17.10 from a liveUSB on a system that already had 16.04 and Windows 10 installed (dual boot.) I now know that I was supposed to upgrade through the built-in solftware manager, but I didn't have the upgrade option available there
[06:16] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: and 17.10 never managed to boot?
[06:16] <blakehschwartz75> Anyway, during installation of 17.10 there was an error, and my partitions seem to have been unmounted. I was able to use windows but after trying boot-repair, I'm no longer able to
[06:17] <blakehschwartz75> yeah so I was left in a state where 17.10 doesn't work (I can use the trial version), and when I try to boot into the old 16.04 installation it drops me into initramfs
[06:18] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: are you booted with the live cd now?
[06:18] <blakehschwartz75> In gparted and in the command line I can see that the old partitions are still there
[06:18] <blakehschwartz75> yes
[06:18] <alkisg> OK, do you mind if I see that via vnc, so that it's a lot faster than irc?
[06:18] <alkisg> (screen sharing)
[06:18] <blakehschwartz75> I've been trying to do the grub2 repair steps
[06:18] <blakehschwartz75> sure!
[06:18] <blakehschwartz75> how do I set that up
[06:18] <alkisg> OK, run these:
[06:19] <alkisg> sudo add-apt-repository universe; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr
[06:20] <blakehschwartz75> also, one thing to mention: I've been trying to re-mount the system with help from some others. We've gotten to the step where you run sudo chroot /mnt, and getting an error: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: No such file or directory
[06:21] <alkisg> Yeah that's what I saw in the logs above, and decided it would be better to vnc rather than irc
[06:21] <alkisg> Sounds like a complex situation :)
[06:21] <blakehschwartz75> ah cool yeah I totally agree
[06:24] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: erm... can't open a terminal?
[06:24] <blakehschwartz75> oh...
[06:24] <alkisg> Try this:
[06:24] <blakehschwartz75> yeah i can see it's throwing some errors, I can use the terminal though...
[06:24] <alkisg> go to where you ran x11vnc,
[06:24] <alkisg> press ctrl+z,
[06:24] <alkisg> then type fg
[06:25] <alkisg> And I believe I'll be able to use that terminal instead
[06:25] <alkisg> hmm no it stopped
[06:25] <blakehschwartz75> oh shoot sorry did ctrl+c
[06:25] <alkisg> Let's try again: x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr &
[06:25] <blakehschwartz75> guess i need to restart
[06:26] <alkisg> You didn't put the &
[06:26] <alkisg> Type Ctrl+Z and bg
[06:26] <blakehschwartz75> oh yeah
[06:27] <alkisg> Reason: get_pty: not enough ptys
[06:27] <alkisg> Nice :D
[06:27] <blakehschwartz75> what does that mean??
[06:27] <alkisg> Possibly that your live cd session is broken and you need to reboot
[06:32] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: nah, reboot into the live cd again, it's broken now because of failed chroot attempts
[06:32] <alkisg> But your installation hasn't finished, so you can't chroot into that one. E.g. no /etc at all.
[06:32] <blakehschwartz75> ah shoot. That's kind of a pain - I have to set up wifi and everything again
[06:33] <alkisg> Without a terminal, not much to do :)
[06:33] <blakehschwartz75> ok it'll take a minute to restart and get back online
[06:33] <alkisg> np
[06:33] <blakehschwartz75> thanks!
[06:41] <blakehschwartz75> alkisg: back again
[06:41] <alkisg> wb
[06:41] <blakehschwartz75> ty
[06:42] <alkisg> (08:19:11 πμ) alkisg: sudo add-apt-repository universe; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr
[06:44] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: your /home is safe,  28G, while your / is broken, it doesn't have even /etc
[06:44] <alkisg> So, if you reinstall while keeping /home, it'll be fine
[06:44] <alkisg> You can't chroot, but you can reinstall without issues
[06:44] <blakehschwartz75> ah ok
[06:45] <blakehschwartz75> I was trying to mount n1p6 on /mnt before
[06:48] <alkisg> OK i formatted / and put names so that you separate them easily
[06:48] <blakehschwartz75> huh... ok sweet thanks!
[06:48] <alkisg> You're welcome
[06:48] <blakehschwartz75> so you think I should re-install 17.10?
[06:49] <blakehschwartz75> would this allow me to get back into my 16.04 installation?
[06:50] <blakehschwartz75> Also - just curious. could this fix my Windows boot problem as well?
[06:50] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: you need to install any ubuntu version now. Both 16.04 and 17.10 are lost due to formats/reinstallations
[06:51] <alkisg> Your windows installation seems intact
[06:52] <alkisg> Just proceed with the 17.10 installation as it is now, it should be fine
[06:53] <blakehschwartz75> ok so I need to start over on the installation - will it pick up my existing partitions now on the installation?
[06:53] <alkisg> Yes, it should give you a menu to boot windows
[06:53] <blakehschwartz75> Guess I will try booting into windows as well
[06:53] <blakehschwartz75> ok sweet!
[06:53] <alkisg> Let me help you pass the partitioning step...
[06:57] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: ok, proceed on your own, ping me if you need anything
[06:57] <blakehschwartz75> ok thanks a ton!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:57] <alkisg> np
[06:57] <blakehschwartz75> This was the stuff I was missing
[06:57] <blakehschwartz75> so, windows was being managed by the grub loader - will that be the same?
[06:59] <alkisg> Yes
[07:04] <blakehschwartz75> ok going to sign off to complete installation. Thanks again!!
[07:06] <alkisg> You're welcome
[07:12] <Furai> Hello, I have a problem were I have 2 different bell/alert sounds playing. Can't figure out where it's doubled.
[07:13] <Furai> playing at the same time when "error" occurs
[07:15] <blakehschwartz75> alkisg: still there?
[07:15] <alkisg> Yup
[07:16] <Furai> Any ideas guys?
[07:17] <blakehschwartz75> ok so it the reinstallation, 17.10 is working fine. One thing that's odd though - in Nautilus the folders for my user don't show up unless I go into Other Locations - > select the drive/partition, and then I have a list of users
[07:18] <blakehschwartz75> my files are under my user, but wondering if there's a way to move that so it shows up by default
[07:19] <blakehschwartz75> also, my windows machine is still inaccessible - has the same windows boot manager message, saying something is messed up and I need to re-install
[07:19] <blakehschwartz75> let me know if you want to vnc in there again
[07:20] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: about windows, it may have been broken due to other reasons, not the boot manager, and it may need fixing from the windows live cd
[07:20] <alkisg> (or even reinstallation, although the files are there)
[07:20] <alkisg> About nautilus, I'm not using Unity so I'm not really sure what you're saying, you can install vnc again if you want
[07:20] <alkisg> (08:19:11 πμ) alkisg: sudo add-apt-repository universe; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr
[07:21] <blakehschwartz75> ah ok I think I'm confused - I'm no longer on Unity either
[07:23] <blakehschwartz75> hmm, got an error on that last command: X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)   Major opcode of failed request:  73 (X_GetImage)   Serial number of failed request:  41   Current serial number in output stream:  41
[07:24] <alkisg> Actually 17.10 has gnome shell, not unity, sorry, not using that either :D
[07:24] <alkisg> It's possible that you logged in in wayland; I would imagine x11vnc would still work though...
[07:24] <blakehschwartz75> oh ok. I just meant in the file manager
[07:25] <blakehschwartz75> oh gotcha
[07:28] <blakehschwartz75> looks like this is where it dies (trying to run vnc): X FBPM extension not supported. 29/11/2017 23:27:12 X display is not capable of DPMS.
[07:32] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: did you use the same username while installing?
[07:33] <alkisg> Also, if vnc doesn't work, upload a screenshot
[07:33] <alkisg> !paste
[07:34] <blakehschwartz75> I believe I used the same username.... Not totally sure. But I think so
[07:34] <kpn64> ping www.google.com shows "unknown host www.google.com"
[07:35] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: try sudo du -sh /home/*
[07:35] <alkisg> kpn64: does ping 8.8.8.8 work?
[07:36] <kpn64> it stuck
[07:36] <blakehschwartz75> alkisg: yes I see: sudo du -sh /home/* 45M	/home/blake
[07:36] <kpn64> ping www.bing.com works
[07:36] <alkisg> kpn64: sounds like routing issues?
[07:37] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: 45M? That's not right. What are the contents of /etc/fstab?
[07:37] <kpn64> ping 8.8.8.8 did not work
[07:38] <alkisg> kpn64: if `ping 204.79.197.220` works, and `ping 8.8.8.8` doesn't work, it's a routing issue, either yours or your ISP's
[07:39] <blakehschwartz75> alkisg: contents of /etc/fstab: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26078101/
[07:40] <Furai> Ok, another werid thing after upgrade - when my terminal bell goes off - first of all it's doubled with some other sound like I mentioned + it's muting my applications for some reason.
[07:40] <blakehschwartz75> alkisg: as far as the other question, if I click on the "Computer" drive here: https://imgur.com/a/AqiEh then go into the home folder, I see a folder with my username and inside are my files
[07:41] <kpn64> it's a vps server
[07:41] <rdz> hey all. i'm displaying pidgin on a secondary monitor that is not hidpi. now, i would lke pidgin to display normal size on that screen. Is there  a way to force to turn off hidpi for only one applicatoin (specifically pidgin)?
[07:42] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: if home shows the contents, I'm not sure what the issue is... for vnc to work, you could log out, and then select the xorg session instead of wayland, and login again
[07:43] <alkisg> rdz: I don't know about hidpi, but pidgin has an option to manually select the font size, maybe that helps..
[07:44] <blakehschwartz75> ok. As far as the contents, I just thought that the main Home, Documents etc directories listed in the left hand pane would have my content.
[07:44] <blakehschwartz75> Not a big deal as it's still all there
[07:44] <alkisg> They should
[07:44] <alkisg> Maybe bad bookmarks with wrong username? Not sure without seeing...
[07:45] <alkisg> It's also strange that you report only 45M used for the user, while it should be 28 GB
[07:46] <blakehschwartz75> ok yeah. I think it may have created a new user, because the directories in the file explorer are all empty
[07:46] <blakehschwartz75> unless I go into that separate drive/partition or whatever
[07:46] <alkisg> That should be automatically mounted though, so something's wrong
[07:47] <blakehschwartz75> I'll try logging out and back in... not sure how to specify xorg session instead of wayland but I'll try to figure it out
[07:47] <alkisg> Check the buttons in the login screen
[07:47] <alkisg> where you type the username/password
[07:47] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: https://blogs.gnome.org/mclasen/files/2016/03/login.png
[07:47] <alkisg> Something like that
[07:48] <blakehschwartz75> yeah just saw that
[07:48] <blakehschwartz75> ok cool I'll try that
[07:48] <blakehschwartz75> ah the one I saw was https://askubuntu.com/questions/961304/how-do-you-switch-from-wayland-back-to-xorg-in-ubuntu-17-10
[07:49] <alkisg> Yeah, something like that
[07:49] <c06> hi all
[07:50] <c06> i need some advice on networking
[07:50] <c06> my virtual ip in namespace is not reachable from physical interface
[07:51] <qwebirc403415> alkisg: back yet again
[07:51] <alkisg> Is this blake?
[07:51] <qwebirc403415> oh... yeah
[07:52] <qwebirc403415> weird
[07:52] <alkisg> :)
[07:52] <jluc> Hello
[07:52] <alkisg> You need a unique name, otherwise it uses defaults
[07:52] <qwebirc403415> dunno why it didn't pick up my username
[07:52] <alkisg> Type: /nick blakehschwartz75
[07:52] <qwebirc403415> hmm well it should still be unique... must have not changed something
[07:52] <alkisg> Ah it didn't see you left yet
[07:52] <alkisg> Try: /nick blakehschwartz75_
[07:52] <qwebirc403415> oh I see
[07:53] <alkisg> With an underscore
[07:53] <alkisg> ...and now you left :D
[07:53] <jluc> Does anybody knows what application creates that lightgrey bar that lists open apps at the bottom of my ubuntu 17.10 desktop ?
[07:53] <qwebirc403415> hah!
[07:53] <blakehschwartz75> ok there we go
[07:53] <blakehschwartz75> man this irc stuff is confusing :D
[07:53] <alkisg> x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr
[07:54] <alkisg> See, you didn't show me all the output in the previous command :)
[07:54] <alkisg> There are 2 users there
[07:54] <tatertots> c06: i think thats the point...to somewhat have a "container".......container/contain/contained
[07:55] <blakehschwartz75> oh.....
[07:55] <alkisg> You used a different username this time
[07:55] <blakehschwartz75> sorry. my bad
[07:55] <c06> https://sketch.io/render/sk-e41d6bd6ac1d1690bddb0f4e997f7685.jpeg this is my network config
[07:55] <tatertots> c06: else you would have used the physical host itself
[07:55] <blakehschwartz75> alkisg: so I guess I want to use bschwartz757
[07:56] <c06> tatertots: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26078171/ tcpdump output
[07:56] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: I can't move your home folder while you're logged in,
[07:56] <blakehschwartz75> oh - shoot
[07:56] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: so I would need to do some "magic", if you trust me
[07:57] <blakehschwartz75> hmm well yeah, I suppose why the hell not :)
[07:57] <blakehschwartz75> what does it involve?
[07:57] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: OK - I'll install a program called epoptes-client, give ME temporary root access, log YOU out, then move the user folder, then YOU need to login because I don't know your password
[07:57] <alkisg> OK?
[07:58] <blakehschwartz75> ok yeah why not
[07:58] <blakehschwartz75> or - would it be easier for me to do it?
[07:58] <blakehschwartz75> probably not super complicated right?
[07:59] <alkisg> OK. You'll see the GUI going away, then wait 1 minute, then when you see the login screen it's ready, so just login and come here
[07:59] <alkisg> I.e. don't get scared when you see terminal instead of gui :)
[08:02] <alkisg> Duh. systemd is too clever, even setsid processes get killed on logout.
[08:02] <alkisg> Ah no he said he has wifi, he probably disconnected networking
[08:04] <tatertots> c06: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or  no
[08:06] <c06> yes
[08:07] <c06> tatertots: ^^
[08:07] <c06> tatertots: you have any suggestions.?
[08:07] <ducasse> has anyone else noticed problems with ncmpcpp on artful? i've filed a bug, just wanted to know if others are affected as well...
[08:09] <Mittens> hello senpais.. I was getting pop up windows asking whether I would like to upgrade the version of Ubuntu. now I can't find it or prompt it to show up again... how do I go about upgrading? do I need a usb stick? I don't have anything to save. thanks in advance
[08:10] <Mittens> 2nd question, is it a thing that can happen that ubuntu messes up communication between the laptop and my printer because of whatever reason(it was working fine before) and ends up creating error msgs on printer's end
[08:10] <Mittens> sorry I'm a nooobbbb
[08:11] <ducasse> !upgrade | Mittens
[08:11] <Mittens> ducasse *Bows* thanku
[08:11] <blakehschwartz75> alkisg?
[08:11] <Mittens> !thank | ducasse
[08:12] <ducasse> Mittens: the printer issue - did this happen after an update?
[08:12] <Mittens> ducasse: could've or could've not, are updates usually automatic?
[08:13] <ducasse> depends on your setup
[08:13] <Mittens> ok
[08:13] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: sorry, I forgot you are with wifi, which got disconnected when you logged out
[08:13] <blakehschwartz75> ahhhh I see
[08:13] <blakehschwartz75> ok well no worries
[08:13] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: vnc to me again: x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr
[08:13] <blakehschwartz75> nothing got screwed up, I take it?
[08:14] <alkisg> No, nothing at all
[08:14] <ducasse> Mittens: you can check under "software and updates" in settings
[08:14] <blakehschwartz75> ok
[08:14] <alkisg> You just got disconnected
[08:15] <Mittens> ducasse: senpai, looks like it's automatic!
[08:15] <Mittens> gonna try upgrading ubuntu
[08:15] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: hrm, you already have this available to all users. So... let's change the plan. Logout, then login as a guest user, then connect here. That way /home/blake won't be in use.
[08:15] <ducasse> Mittens: which version are you on now?
[08:15] <blakehschwartz75> oh gotcha
[08:16] <Mittens> 17.04
[08:16] <ducasse> Mittens: then upgrade, 17.04 goes out of support in january
[08:16] <Mittens> woot! gracias senpai
[08:17] <Mittens> ducasse: can I just stream online or is it something I download and open using a usb?
[08:17] <Mittens> I will try to figure it out but dang it's confusin
[08:17] <ducasse> Mittens: you upgrade over the network, you can't do it from usb
[08:17] <Mittens> and the links u've given me
[08:17] <Mittens> doesn't show anything for the upgrade but I could be looking at wrong stuff
[08:18] <Mittens> ok ducasse
[08:18] <Mittens> I will try that
[08:18] <ducasse> Mittens: short guide: type 'sudo do-release-upgrade' in a terminal
[08:18] <lackodan> Good morning! (but only to EU people, I guess)
[08:18] <Mittens> ok I try that now ducasse
[08:19] <Mittens> it asks for me pw! o.o
[08:19] <Mittens> I put in my pw
[08:19] <ducasse> Mittens: make sure it's set to 'upgrade to any new release' in software and upgrades first
[08:19] <Mittens> erm it won't type
[08:19] <Mittens> my pw won't type in terminal shit
[08:19] <ducasse> you can enter your pw, you just won't see anything
[08:19] <alkisg> lackodan: Good morning EU fellow :)
[08:20] <Mittens> omg u are right
[08:20] <Mittens> this is sorcery
[08:20] <Mittens> it's like
[08:20] <Mittens> doing something
[08:20] <Mittens> reading cache and etc
[08:21] <Mittens> continues to do shiz
[08:21] <ducasse> Mittens: yep, just let it run and answer the questions
[08:21] <Mittens> thanku sir
[08:21] <ducasse> Mittens: if it prints a lot of text and won't let you continue, try pressing q
[08:23] <Mittens> it's fetching a lot of shiz
[08:23] <lackodan> Question for the people who use their Ubuntu (or other Linux) partition for multiple purposes (work, personal, gaming,...). Do you use different user accounts to keep things separated or do you keep it simple and keep a single account for everything?
[08:23] <Mittens> fetched 36.8mb of something and now it's calculating something
[08:24] <Mr_Pan> lackodan, singl account
[08:24] <blakehschwartz75> here!
[08:24] <Mittens> calculating the changes it says
[08:24] <Mittens> wow now it's asking me q
[08:24] <Mittens> continue yn  deatils d
[08:24] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr
[08:24] <ducasse> Mittens: press y
[08:24] <Mittens> I typed y
[08:25] <Mittens> and then pressed enter too
[08:25] <Mittens> hope that's alright
[08:25] <ducasse> Mittens: yep :)
[08:25] <blakehschwartz75> ah crap, might need to go through the whole install process again...
[08:25] <Mittens> says installing upgrade may take couple hours
[08:25] <Mittens> ducasse <3 <3 <3
[08:25] <blakehschwartz75> what are the preceding commands again?
[08:25] <Mittens> thank you for ur helpppp
[08:25] <ducasse> Mittens: it won't unless you have a slow connection
[08:26] <ducasse> Mittens: usually 10-15 mins
[08:26] <Mittens> I'm blown away that this chat window and other tabs are not wiped out
[08:26] <Mittens> this is great that I can upgrade while chattin
[08:26] <Mittens> thanks ducasse u are bomb
[08:26] <ducasse> Mittens: no problem, it's what we're here for :)
[08:26] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: they are not needed because you already have x11vnc. Also, type "alkisg" before so that I get notification that are talking to me...
[08:27] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: sudo add-apt-repository universe; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install x11vnc; x11vnc -connect srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr
[08:27] <blakehschwartz75> oh gotcha... I didn't know if this thing did the notifications
[08:27] <c06> anyone linux network here.?!
[08:27] <lackodan> Mr_Pan: I've tried both approaches, can't seem to settle on either... I tend to use my desktop and file manager bookmarks a lot, so if I combine all of them in a single account it gets messy real quick. How do you deal with this?
[08:28] <blakehschwartz75> alkisg odd because it failed when I tried to run it
[08:28] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: did you select the xorg session?
[08:29] <blakehschwartz75> yes
[08:29] <Mittens> I shall make my home here
[08:29] <ducasse> !ask | c06
[08:29] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: so now you're with the guest account and can't run x11vnc? You won't be able to install things from guest, so... if that's the case, come back with the real account :/
[08:30] <alkisg> lackodan: one account for everything is simpler for me, and I have lots of data to keep, personal, private, work, gaming...
[08:30] <blakehschwartz75> ok... I think I'm just going to call this a night. I should be able to figure out how to move the home directory I think
[08:30] <alkisg> lackodan: I settled there after years of trying to keep it separated with different accounts. It became more difficult to maintain them.
[08:31] <blakehschwartz75> alkisg plus, shouldn't be a problem to move if I'm logged in already right?
[08:31] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: ok; to remove epoptes-client, run sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove epoptes-client. It doesn't hurt to keep it, but no reason to.
[08:31] <blakehschwartz75> alkisg ah yeah thanks!! I will remove
[08:31] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: you'll be able to move around files, but you'll have some issues with moving settings
[08:31] <alkisg> It would be best to just move the whole dir
[08:34] <lackodan> alkisg: Thanks for the input. So you don't separate at all? You don't run into problems with e.g. too many launcher icons, too many nautilus bookmarks,...?
[08:35] <alkisg> lackodan: I'm using MATE, so the menu is better organized. I only have 10 bookmarks or so, a couple of them dynamic (I delete them when I no longer use them frequently)
[08:35] <alkisg> lackodan: in ~/bin I have a lot of wrappers, launchers, utilities etc, and I'm using the command line frequently too
[08:36] <rattlebattle79> have anyone actually used KVM + GPU passthrough and Windows for gaming?
[08:36] <lackodan> alkisg: Awesome, thanks. I'll see if I can set something up similarly. I guess it mainly comes down to discipline in deleting whatever you don't need. ^^
[08:37] <alkisg> lackodan: yes, it took me years to master that :D
[08:37] <alkisg> lackodan: I decided that my desktop is my "temp and download space", and that I should clean it up when it gets more than 10 icons :)
[08:38] <lackodan> alkisg: I've been trying to settle on a workflow for years, haven't mastered anything yet. I keep going back between the two approaches. :P
[08:38] <ducasse> Mittens: i'm getting a visitor in a few minutes, so i'll be busy. are you getting along ok?
[08:38] <Mittens> yeap I thinkso ducasse
[08:38] <Mittens> :3
[08:38] <qwebirc761117> alkisg what was the command to purge epoptes again?
[08:39] <alkisg> qwebirc761117: sudo apt purge --auto-remove epoptes-client
[08:40] <qwebirc761117> ah shoot - I got the username screwed up again
[08:40] <ducasse> Mittens: good :) just highlight me if you run into trouble, and i'll try to keep half an eye on the screen :) just remember to reboot at the end when the installer asks you if you want to, or your system might behave unexpectedly.
[08:41] <qwebirc761117> alkisg so as far as moving the home directory - you said I should be able to do that for my main user, if logged in?
[08:41] <alkisg> qwebirc761117: no, I said you won't be able to do it
[08:41] <alkisg> qwebirc761117: you need to either do it as root from console, or as another user
[08:41] <Mittens> got it thanku ducasse!
[08:41] <alkisg> qwebirc761117: if you want, create a new user, and log in as that new user, and come here again for instructions
[08:42] <blakehschwartz75> ok cool - I'll try and figure it out, and come back if I can't
[08:42] <blakehschwartz75> alkisg are you on here most nights?
[08:42] <blakehschwartz75> I need to hit the sack
[08:42] <alkisg> blakehschwartz75: eh... greek mornings. good night! :)
[08:43] <blakehschwartz75> alkisg: hah! Ok well thanks again sir - really glad we could get this working again.
[08:43] <blakehschwartz75> and good night.
[08:43] <alkisg> You're welcome
[08:44] <c06> ducasse: u there
[08:44] <ducasse> c06: for a minute or two longer, yes
[08:45] <c06> https://paste.linux.community/view/289099dd
[08:45] <c06> ducasse: help me if you find anything
[08:46] <DaGeneralDJ> What is the best chan for support on Ubuntu when running a .NET app on Wine
[08:47] <ducasse> c06: this is beyond me, sorry. have you tried ##networking (or maybe ##linux)?
[08:47] <ducasse> DaGeneralDJ: #winehq, maybe
[08:48] <c06> ##linux jim someone is ther but asking so many questions.. :(
[08:48] <c06> ducasse: ok i ll try networking
[09:38] <karstenk> Good morning! After a dist-upgrade, mysql server isnt running anymore. try to reinstall, but get: mysql-server : Depends: mysql-server-5.5 but it is not going to be installed . Please can somebody help me to sort out, need mysql running again
[09:41] <alkisg> karstenk: put the output of this to paste.ubuntu.com: apt policy mysql*
[09:43] <karstenk> alkisg http://paste.ubuntu.com/26079010/
[09:43] <Mittens> hi guys, I've successfully started upgrading my ubuntu 17.04 to the newest using terminal with help from someone here
[09:43] <alkisg> karstenk: sorry, you had mysql deb files there, run this instead: apt policy 'mysql*'
[09:44] <Mittens> it hasn't been an hour already, I don't think, but I'm wondering if it's normal that the terminal shows continued "preparing to unpack... unpacking......" on repeat
[09:45] <Mittens> well it's unpacking different things not same stuff I think
[09:45] <alkisg> If it's unpacking different things, don't worry :)
[09:45] <karstenk> alkisg http://paste.ubuntu.com/26079013/
[09:45] <Mittens> thanx :3
[09:45] <alkisg> Upgrade can take a lot of time
[09:45] <alkisg> karstenk: are you using debian?
[09:46] <karstenk> ah yes, thats my remote server
[09:46] <alkisg> karstenk: join #debian and ask there :)
[09:49] <liefer> I have added the path of a custom build of 'qemu' (/home/liefer/qemu-test/) which contains the binary. However when i open a new terminal it doesnt appear to use the one in my home dir? It uses the system default. How do i make it always use the one in my home dir?
[09:51] <liefer> i would prefer not to do it in .bashrc .... it want it to apply globally not just in bash
[09:51] <alkisg> liefer: one good way to do such things, is to create a ~/bin directory, and make symlinks from ~/bin to your executables
[09:52] <alkisg> That's "global" for the specific user. If you need "global for all users", put symlinks in /usr/local/bin instead
[09:53] <liefer> ahh thank you
[09:53] <alkisg> np
[09:59] <jluc> Does anybody knows what application creates that lightgrey bar that lists open apps at the bottom of my ubuntu 17.10 desktop ?
[09:59] <rud0lf> tint
[09:59] <rud0lf> i think
[10:16] <Lavinho> good morning
[10:18] <xtron> I'm trying to remove "vi" package from my qemux86 image, I tried 46 PACKAGE_EXCLUDE_pn-target_image = "vi"
[10:19] <xtron> wrong channel
[10:19] <xtron> :)
[10:29] <bviktor> what happened to sssd/pam/krb5 in ubuntu? since yesterday we can't log into any ubuntu machine using LDAP/AD credentials. config hasn't changed, it happens both on patched and unpatched machines
[10:29] <bviktor> and centos hosts work just fine
[10:30] <bviktor> ubuntu 16.04
[10:31] <bviktor> net ads status says everything's fine
[10:31] <bviktor> we even tried to rejoin, wouldn't help
[10:32] <bviktor> log says: Nov 30 11:32:02 titan05 sshd[23453]: fatal: Access denied for user viktor.b by PAM account configuration [preauth]
[10:55] <victorbjelkholm> so somehow, I ended up with a broken python environment. Many of the programs that were working before are no longer working. They are all referencing `/usr/bin/python3` but they give me different errors, like "missing parenthesis in call to print" and similar, telling me somehow I upgraded to a incompatible python version
[10:57] <victorbjelkholm> any pointers for fixing this? Tried reinstalling a older version of python (3.4) but getting other errors then, so now I'm unsure what's going on
[11:01] <ren0v0> Hey, i can't seem to print PDF highlights, can someone help? Google says that for "windows" this would be a print setting, but i can't find anything in ubunty
[11:15] <generic> what can I do to keep my mixer levels from beeing changed ?
[11:15] <generic> whenever I start a program my mixerlevels go to 0
[11:27] <mrec> Hi, does anyone know about the systemd mess with Ubuntu? when adding a scriptfile to /usr/lib/systemd/user it doesn't show up with systemctl (not after restarting the server nor after rebooting the system)
[11:36] <bviktor> Nov 30 12:31:22 titan05 sshd[24411]: pam_sss(sshd:account): Access denied for user viktor.b: 4 (System error)
[11:36] <bviktor> oh that's sweet
[11:58] <maziar> hi, I want to save my ssh session content with this command :" ssh 192.168.1.2 | tee file.txt" but when I wanted to open file.txt in sublime or vim, I faced some issue for e.g my terminal in 192.168.1.2 I have color setting but in file.txt I got this ASCI code : "[00m.bash_history[0m [01;34mDesktop[0m [01;34m.gconf[0m [00m.ICEauth ority[0m [01;34m.nautilus[0m [01;34m.skel[0m [00m.xsession-errors.old[0m " how can I fix this issue ? I
[11:58] <maziar>  should mention that when I open this file with "cat" wverything is ok , please help me , thank you
[12:04] <akik> maziar: you can test if these sed commands work for you removing the control codes: http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/3584/remove-color-codes-special-characters-with-sed
[12:04] <Triffid_Hunter> maziar: see man console_codes - those *are* the colours
[12:04] <akik> maziar: pipe the file to the sed command
[12:05] <maziar> akik would you please tell me how?
[12:05] <akik> maziar: cat file.txt | sed ...
[12:10] <maziar> akik is it posible to convert it to HTML  ?
[12:11] <EriC^^> maziar: sure
[12:11] <maziar> EriC^^ how?
[12:12] <akik> maziar: html? the content is just text
[12:14] <EriC^^> maziar: replace the start of the code with the color, sed -i 's/<code for red>/<span style="color:red;">/g' file.txt  and for the end sed -i 's/<end code for red>/</span>/g'
[12:15] <EriC^^> maziar: i've done it in my site using the hex and php you're welcome to use it http://paste.ubuntu.com/26080177/
[12:16] <EriC^^> though those colors are only for a certain program that uses those exact colors, so you might want to add the more generic colors "ls" uses
[12:16] <maziar> EriC^^ thank you dear Eric, let me check it
[12:17] <EriC^^> i think the last one uses a regex to remove all codes, like colors it hadn't forseen earlier or other terminal codes
[12:20] <EriC^^> maziar: this'll come in handy https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7760717/hex-string-replacement-using-sed
[12:20] <maziar> EriC^^ is there any simple whay? for e.g is it posible to disable color in tee ?
[12:20] <EriC^^> maziar: yeah, use the last regex
[12:21] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:22] <maziar> EriC^^ you mean this "$parsed=preg_replace('/\x1B\x5B(.*?)\x6D/', "", $parsed);
[12:22] <EriC^^> maziar: yes, i think also this one   $parsed=preg_replace('/\x1B\x5D\x30\x3B(.*?)\x07/', "", $parsed);
[12:24] <Richard_Cavell> How do I create a "symbolic link" at the command line?
[12:24] <hateball> Richard_Cavell: "man ls"
[12:24] <EriC^^> Richard_Cavell: ln -s /file/to/point/to   /path/to/symlink
[12:26] <maziar> EriC^^ sorry for my bad, but how ?
[12:27] <maziar> how should I do that with file.txt
[12:28] <EriC^^> maziar: try cat file | sed -E 's/\x1B\x5D\x30\x3B(.*?)\x07//g'
[12:28] <BluesKaj> my bad isn't a proper phrase ,my miistake is
[12:28] <maziar> EriC^^ I get this error : "ed: 1: "s/\x1B\x5D\x30\x3B(.*?) ...": RE error: repetition-operator operand invalid"
[12:29] <EriC^^> maziar: can you upload a sample file.txt so i can try a little?
[12:29] <maziar> EriC^^ yes of course
[12:29] <EriC^^> i'm not sure how to convert that php regex to sed regex
[12:30] <maziar> EriC^^ where should I upload it ?
[12:30] <EriC^^> maziar: try cat file.txt | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:31] <maziar> EriC^^ it's not work check this http://termbin.com/5icm
[12:32] <maziar> EriC^^ this is correct one : http://s8.picofile.com/file/8313092976/10_18_36_52_171130_13.log.html
[12:32] <EriC^^> maziar: this is what it looks like, right? http://termbin.com/yjc0
[12:34] <maziar> EriC^^ yes it's like it
[12:35] <Doc-Saintly> I made the mistake of upgrading to 17.10 without local access to my machine, and now I can't VNC into it. I'm not sure if it's the graphics driver, the Xserver, or VNC... I'm realy at a loss of where to start. Any ideas?
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[12:35] <hateball> Doc-Saintly: Can you SSH into it?
[12:36] <Doc-Saintly> hateball: That's where I"m talking to you from :) Yes :D
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[12:36] <Doc-Saintly> hateball: I've tried to remove ubuntu-desktop a few times, but every article i find online seems to imply I should be able to get some response out of DISPLAY, but all commands seem to fail to connect to it
[12:39] <Ben64> Doc-Saintly: are you running xorg or wayland
[12:41] <Doc-Saintly> Ben64: I don't know :( immediately after updating to 17.04 my VNC was incredibly slow, so I tried to update to 17.10 and switch to gnome-desktop, that's when it all went south.
[12:41] <Doc-Saintly> Ben64: how might I check?
[12:42] <Ben64> logs probably, i don't run 17.10
[12:42] <EriC^^> maziar: i gtg for a while, anyways you kind of get the idea, use sed to remove the control codes in hex format and replace with <span and colors> if you want a nice html output, use hexdump -C file.txt to see what the codes are in hex
[12:42] <Ben64> but i heard things like wayland not supporting vnc
[12:43] <Doc-Saintly> Ben64: I saw another article (after it was too late) reporting bad driver performance for i915 on 17.04, and no support at all on 17.10 :X I'm not sure if it's true.
[12:43] <Doc-Saintly> Ben64: which log do I check?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> SoftwareOnLinux, it's not true
[12:43] <BluesKaj> oopa Doc-Saintly ^
[12:44] <Doc-Saintly> that's a relief
[12:44] <Ben64> Doc-Saintly: but if you're not there it doesn't really matter?
[12:44] <Doc-Saintly> Ben64: it does, because some of the things I do I use VNC to control, like virtual machines etc.
[12:45] <Ben64> why do you need vnc to control a vm
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Doc-Saintly, my laptop use the i915 griver perfectly well on 17.10
[12:45] <BluesKaj> driver
[12:45] <Doc-Saintly> Ben64: in case it gets into the state I'm currently in where I can't connect to the normal OS, I can look at the regular mode on the desktop to control it at a lower level
[12:45] <Ben64> you also don't need i915 working to use vnc or xorg
[12:45] <SoftwareOnLinux> BluesKaj: What do you mean?
[12:45] <Ben64> Doc-Saintly: ssh is the lower level
[12:46] <BluesKaj> SoftwareOnLinux, sorry wrong nick
[12:46] <SoftwareOnLinux> Ok :)
[12:47] <maziar> EriC^^ is it posible to tee capture stdout without any color ?
[12:48] <Doc-Saintly> Ben64: and if the VM is a windows machine?
[12:49] <Ben64> Doc-Saintly: you connect to it instead of using a middleman
[12:50] <Doc-Saintly> Ben64: I'm assuming you mean to use the virtual machine host's built-in remote control function, and I find that to perform even worse than VNC.
[12:50] <Doc-Saintly> But anyway, lets say I want to watch videos on the remote computer or otherwise need a GUI :) Can you point me to how I would fix it?
[12:51] <Ben64> watching videos over vnc isn't good
[12:52] <Doc-Saintly> It makes me feel warm and fuzzy and remember the old days ;)
[12:53] <EriC^^> maziar: TERM=dumb ssh user@host | tee file.txt
[12:53] <EriC^^> it lets ssh not use colors anymore
[13:01] <yuriescl> i'm using Ubuntu 14.04 and I''m trying to create a new systemd unit by putting a new .service file in /lib/systemd/system/file.service, but when running "service file enable" I'm getting file: unrecognized service
[13:02] <maziar> EriC^^ you are my here <3
[13:02] <Ben64> yuriescl: 14.04 is upstart
[13:03] <yuriescl> Ben64, oh, but why are there a bunch of unit files in there?
[13:03] <Ben64> idk
[13:05] <EriC^^> maziar: :)
[13:18] <ducasse> has anyone else noticed problems with ncmpcpp on artful? i've filed a bug (lp bug 1734839), just wanted to know if others are affected as well...
[13:57] <LTCD> Hello. When I lock my laptop (CTRL, ALT, DEL) I think the computer sleeps or something because if I am downloading something it stops. Is there a way to stop this?
[13:57] <LTCD> I need to lock my screen (company policy) but do not want to stop downloads etc...
[14:02] <TJ-> LTCD: for most desktop environments you do Logout > Lock Screen
[14:02] <EriC^^> LTCD: ctrl+alt+l locks for me
[14:04] <LTCD> I did lock screen but it stopped a download.
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[14:11] <Mr_Pan> one more time ...
[14:11] <LTCD> TJ EriC^^
[14:11] <TJ-> LTCD: processes should continue to run
[14:11] <LTCD> TJ- Hmm okay then
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[14:33] <n1amr> Hello! I have a problem installing Ubuntu 17.10 next to Windows 10. Every time I install Ubuntu it goes well. From the moment I boot into windows and shutdown, ubuntu will no longer boot and I get (initramfs) prompt after grub boot menu.
[14:34] <Mr_Pan> n1amr, you must Suspend Mode turn off
[14:35] <Mr_Pan> in win10
[14:37] <n1amr> Mr_Pan: do you mean Fast Boot?
[14:37] <Mr_Pan> n1amr, yes
[14:37] <n1amr> Mr_Pan: I already did. Also, I disabled hibernate.
[14:38] <TJ-> Fast Boot shouldn't affect being dropped to shell in initramfs - that'd prevent GRUB/Ubuntu even being started
[14:42] <n1amr> I install ubuntu in /dev/sdb6 and bootloader in the same partition. Is this correct for UEFI?
[14:42] <multifractal> I have a very long image (height is much greater than width) and i'd like to print it over multiple sheets of A4 and stick them together with tape. How can I specify this with the print dialogue?
[14:46] <akik> multifractal: not sure if this fits your need but take a look here: http://rasterbator.net/
[15:05] <mitmf> https://pastebin.com/LEq7Fmtk
[15:05] <mitmf> what’s wrong? help me
[15:05] <alkisg> n1amr: the bootloader in uefi goes in the efi partition
[15:05] <mutante> mitmf: maybe you start by telling us what YOU think is wrong that means you need help
[15:06] <mitmf> mutante: wifi is disable
[15:06] <n1amr> alkisg: I tried this also.
[15:06] <alkisg> n1amr: and?
[15:06] <mitmf> https://pastebin.com/LEq7Fmtk  help me wifi is disable
[15:06] <mutante> mitmf: try enabling it (with the physical button on your laptop)
[15:07] <mitmf> mutante: i use raspberry pi now
[15:07] <mitmf> linux on raspberry
[15:07] <n1amr> alkisg: Same behaviour. I can boot into ubuntu until I boot into Windows
[15:08] <alkisg> n1amr: that means that the bootloader was installed just fine and that something else is the issue. Can you upload a screenshot of the failure, with all the initramfs messages?
[15:08] <mutante> mitmf: Ubuntu runs on raspberry pi?
[15:08] <mitmf> yes
[15:08] <mitmf> correct
[15:09] <n1amr> alkisg: I'am new to IRC. Where could I upload pictures?
[15:09] <alkisg> !paste
[15:09] <mutante> n1amr: i usually use https://imagebin.ca/
[15:10] <mutante> mitmf: sorry, i never used a raspberry pi. was wifi enabled before and stopped working? what did you try so far?
[15:10] <mitmf> mutante: at top-left, when i click right button there is a ‘Enable wifi’, check box lol
[15:10] <mitmf> it works now
[15:12] <mutante> mitmf: heh :) great!
[15:12] <mitmf> thanks :)
[15:12] <mitmf> mutante: there is a scret 8)
[15:13] <mitmf> it is kali lol i just want to get help from this channel
[15:17] <mitmf> mutante: anyway how can i know memory that is used?
[15:19] <LiENUS> trying to use an ipsec+l2tp vpn on ubuntu 17.10, looks like ubuntu only supports sha2 but my vpn endpoint only support sha1, how do i go about enabling sha1?
[15:19] <pavlos> mitmf: use top
[15:19] <mitmf> top?
[15:20] <pavlos> mitmf: open a terminal and type, top (q to exit)
[15:21] <mitmf> thanks pavlos :)
[15:30] <MarissaOrloff> This is prolly a newbie question but is FPS with the nvidia 384.90 driver maxed out at 60fps?
[15:33] <adrian_1908> MarissaOrloff: Usually, the driver will use vsync so that frames are in lockstep with your display, i.e. 60Hz.
[15:34] <MarissaOrloff> ok, is that the desired effect then to lock at 60?
[15:34] <adrian_1908> yes, since your display cannot show more than 60 a second, there's little use in rendering more.
[15:35] <Hanumaan> getting this error : "apt: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32" how to resolve?
[16:00] <TJ-> Hanumaan: wrong architecture? 32-bit vs 64-bit ?
[16:02] <Hanumaan> TJ-: I have 64-bit tried to install one 32-bit package (libstdc++.so.6)
[16:03] <TJ-> Hanumaan: how did you install libstc++.so.6 ?
[16:03] <Goeland86> hi all, I'm having a bizarre problem when trying to remote-mount a CIFS share on 16.04.3. The fstab line reads "//NAS/folder /media/NASfolder cifs uid=admin,gid=sudo,credentials=/home/admin/.smbcredentials 0 0" and unfortunately the folder mounts with the permissions listed as "d---------". I'm trying to figure out why I can't change it so my admin user can access it without sudo
[16:04] <Hanumaan> TJ-: with this command: sudo dpkg -i libstdc++6_4.4.3-4ubuntu5.1_i386.deb
[16:05] <TJ-> Hanumaan: did you set "dpkg --add-foreign-architecture i386" ?
[16:05] <Hanumaan> TJ-: no I did not set
[16:05] <kostkon> Hanumaan, why not install the one from the repos
[16:06] <TJ-> Hanumaan: for mult-arch support it's usual to do that, then "apt-update" to fetch in the new arch's package lists, then to install a package for that arch "apt install libstdc++6:i386" <-- note the foreign arch suffix
[16:06] <Hanumaan> kostkon: actually I wanted to install libhunspell-1.2-0_1.2 and the version from repo does not work for me
[16:07] <adrian_1908> Hanumaan: does not work in what way? And which Ubuntu version?
[16:07] <Hanumaan> TJ-: now actually apt update is also not working
[16:08] <TJ-> Hanumaan: well no, because you broke the system's core libraries
[16:08] <Hanumaan> adrian_1908: using 16.04 . I have a service which uses hunspell but some how works only with that particular version
[16:08] <adrian_1908> I see.
[16:09] <Hanumaan> TJ-: can the system core libraries be repaired?
[16:09] <TJ-> Hanumaan: try "ldd /usr/bin/apt" see what SOs it's linked to
[16:09] <retrojeff> how do I get apport to resend the crash report in /var/crash
[16:10] <TJ-> Hanumaan: if you see a mix of x86_64 and i386, you've broken the system
[16:10] <Hanumaan> TJ-: not found is coming : https://paste.ubuntu.com/26081792/
[16:12] <TJ-> Hanumaan: right; I suspect when you install the i386 version of libstdc++6 it uninstalled the amd64 package
[16:12] <TJ-> Hanumaan: Hanumaan try "dpkg -l 'libstdc++6*' " see what it shows
[16:14] <Hanumaan> TJ-: it comes up like this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26081819/
[16:14] <Hanumaan> TJ-: your correct it removed 64bit
[16:14] <TJ-> Hanumaan: so the amd64 package is no longer installed
[16:15] <adrian_1908> https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/amd64/libstdc++6/download
[16:16] <TJ-> Hanumaan: it's possible it's still in apt's package cache, so you can re-install it using 'dpkg'. Check with "ls /var/cache/apt/archives/libstdc*"
[16:16] <adrian_1908> right!
[16:16] <TJ-> Hanumaan: you're looking for the _amd64.deb version
[16:17] <TJ-> Hanumaan: if not, use 'wget' to fetch the package as per adrian_1908's pointer
[16:18] <dserodio> docker
[16:18] <TJ-> Hanumaan: adrian_1908 first time I've had to use 'ldd' on every command I suggest first, to ensure they'll run!
[16:19] <Hanumaan> adrian_1908: TJ- it is not there in var so getting by wget and install with dpkg right?
[16:19] <TJ-> Hanumaan: yes
[16:19] <gordonjcp> in 17.10, is there a way to get rid of that annoying "swipe up" thing when I want to unlock the screen?
[16:23] <Hanumaan> TJ-: unable to install : https://paste.ubuntu.com/26081872/
[16:23] <Hanumaan> TJ-: probably first I should install gcc-5-base
[16:26] <TJ-> Hanumaan: you've got conflicting versions
[16:26] <TJ-> Hanumaan: "libstdc++6:amd64 depends on gcc-5-base (= 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.4)" --> "Version of gcc-5-base:amd64 on system is 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.5"
[16:27] <Hanumaan> TJ-: should I remove the existing version?
[16:27] <TJ-> Hanumaan: you got the wrong download. Start from here https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial-updates/libstdc++6
[16:28] <TJ-> Hanumaan: note this is from xenial-updates (16.04.5) rather than the original xenial (16.04.0)
[16:28] <TJ-> s/16.04.0/16.04.4)
[16:28] <adrian_1908> my bad, I supplied that link :)
[16:30] <linocisco> hi all,
[16:31] <linocisco> if we install python 2 types of version, ruby , mongodb and postgresql in one uubuntu laptop, will it affect performance like slowing down?
[16:31] <codelinx> Hi having an isssue with ubuntu 17.10 on latest virtual box with freezing … also getting this weird error on startup … ERROR: http://picpaste.com/ubuntu_error-VE9DnOte.png
[16:31] <codelinx> that is a link to the pic
[16:32] <Hanumaan> TJ-: looks like apt is resolved able to run apt update and installed the hunspell but my applications when ran says "ImportError: libhunspell-1.2.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32"
[16:32] <TJ-> Hanumaan: presumably you earlier did a dpkg install instead of leaving it to apt?
[16:33] <TJ-> Hanumaan: you need to install the standard amd64 package via apt; the bad one should then be de-installed
[16:33] <Hanumaan> TJ-: so I should remove libhunspell and then leave it to apt
[16:34] <TJ-> Hanumaan: I'd try letting it do it automatically with "apt install libhunspell-1.2"
[16:34] <TJ-> Hanumaan: you've got the foreign-architecture added now?
[16:34] <TJ-> Hanumaan: if so, both packages should co-exist happily
[16:39] <Hanumaan> TJ-: not added the foreign architechture will add it now, but then how should I install i386 version from the repo
[16:41] <adrian_1908> Hanumaan: TJ wrote earlier that you can do this via e.g. `apt install libstdc++6:i386`
[16:41] <Hanumaan> adrian_1908: yes correct .. got that sorry
[16:44] <Hanumaan> TJ-: is the third line bad here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26082017/ because I still get the application error "ImportError: libhunspell-1.2.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32
[16:44] <Hanumaan> "
[16:46] <TJ-> Hanumaan: what application is it? use "ldd /path/to/program" to check what it is linking
[16:47] <FreakingOut1987> anyone here using 18.04 LTS already?
[16:47] <TJ-> Hanumaan: the error is telling you the application expects the 64-bit version of libhunspell not i386
[16:47] <TJ-> FreakingOut1987: see #ubuntu+1
[16:47] <Hanumaan> TJ-: then I will just remove i386 right
[16:49] <tbenita> Hi, during the setup (usb ubuntu desktop 17.10) on an already installed computer (SSD, I7 laptop), I selected to enclypt the personal folder (was not encrypted and may store 300G). There has been 6hours and I'm still on this screen. Is it normal ? Is there a way to get a terminal ?
[16:49] <TJ-> Hanumaan: I would assume so
[16:49] <donofrio> anyone know how to fix when clone command it returns "clone: Invalid argument"
[16:49] <Hanumaan> TJ-: it worked but different error now "ImportError: libhunspell-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[16:50] <TJ-> Hanumaan: use ldd again on the executable,
[16:51] <TJ-> Hanumaan: as far as I can see, it's because 1.2 doesn't exist in the 16.04 archive, and you installed a v1.2  i386 package manually. You need to manually install a v1.2 amd64 package
[16:51] <tbenita> Is there a way to know what is going on during ubuntu 17.10 desktop install process ? (I have no hdd led and a SSD and it hangs since 6 hrs)
[16:52] <TJ-> tbenita: you say it's supposed to be doing an in-place encrpyting of the user home directory?
[16:52] <tbenita> TJ-, yep
[16:52] <TJ-> tbenita: Did you start the installer with "Try Ubuntu" or go directly to "Install "
[16:53] <tbenita> TJ-, directly to 'Install'
[16:53] <Hanumaan> TJ-: ok thats good tip will install amd64 version. but if want to use ldd when using it in a python script like "import hunspell" how to use ldd here?
[16:54] <TJ-> tbenita: hmmm, so no way to swtich to another task. I don't think it even has multiple ttys although you could try doing Ctrl+Alt+F2 to get tty2
[16:54] <TJ-> Hanumaan: you can't :)
[16:54] <tbenita> TJ-, I confirm there is no TTY
[16:54] <tbenita> TJ-, tty2 is a totally blank screen
[16:54] <TJ-> tbenita: Then, you have a problem! Can you see any signs of activity at all? do keyboard LEDs toggle?
[16:55] <tbenita> TJ-, keyboard toggles fine, the mouse cursor still moves and the keyboard input finctions
[16:55] <donofrio> trying to custom files but it's not working:  for f in *.remmina; do grep -v ssh_color_scheme "$f" || echo ssh_color_scheme=6 >> "$f"; done  its suppose to add this parm if missing but it doesn't ;(
[16:56] <tbenita> TJ-, but both previous and continue are grey and the dots don't move anymore
[16:56] <TJ-> tbenita: hmmm! not even an openssh server running I'll guess. Have you tried that? an ssh session from another PC?
[16:57] <TJ-> donofrio: the operator should be && not || since grep -v will return 0 (true)
[16:59] <tbenita> TJ-, no ssh running
[16:59] <tbenita> TJ-, port 22 connection refused
[17:00] <TJ-> tbenita: then I'm not sure what you can do. I *seem* to recall vaguely reading/hearing that an in-place encryption can be restarted, but not sure under what circumstances
[17:00]  * tbenita is scared ...
[17:00] <TJ-> tbenita: it will be using ecryptfs-migrate-home "- migrate a user's home directory to an encrypted home setup"
[17:01] <TJ-> tbenita: which says, prominently "WARNING: Make a complete backup copy of the non-encrypted data to another system or external media. This script is dangerous and in case of an error, could result in data lost,"
[17:02] <tbenita> TJ-, is there any information on how long this can last ?
[17:03] <TJ-> tbenita: you say it is 300GiB ? I'd expect a while but not sure if 6 hours is a good sign. Not helpful there's no user feedback for such an operation
[17:03] <compdoc> tbenita, you cant start another terminal session?>
[17:03] <tbenita> TJ-, thanks anyway. I'll let it run for now...
[17:04] <TJ-> compdoc: no; it's the installer session not the "try" session
[17:04] <TJ-> tbenita: come back if it hasn't resolved itself in another 6 hours :)
[17:04] <compdoc> ouch
[17:04] <tbenita> TJ-, too bad the is not even a tty available... I thought that it was the case in previous versions ?
[17:05] <TJ-> tbenita: because it's reading and writing that 300GB from/to the same device it could take a while since that's 600GB to read, encrypt, and write
[17:05] <tbenita> TJ-, yep ok thanks
[17:05] <TJ-> tbenita: only in the "try ubuntu" session
[17:08] <TJ-> tbenita: I note the man-page also says "This program requires free disk space 2.5x the current size of the home directory to be migrated."
[17:14] <jfcaron> How do I set a non-default desktop environment as the default one to use when logging in, i.e. so a user doesn't have to manually select from the menu each time?
[17:14] <jfcaron> This is on 16.04 LTS.
[17:23] <leftyfb> jfcaron: in my experience, after picking the DE at login, it defaults to that until I pick something else
[17:24] <tbenita> TJ-, I saw that also when I was looking for informations... The point is that the installer gave me no choice : I couldn't select "Open session automatically" and unselect "Encrypt my personnal folder" in the interface
[17:25] <genii> jfcaron: I believe lightdm also still honours ~/.xsession
[17:26] <genii> ( so that whatever DE was in the login screen, .xsession gets used )
[17:34] <jfcaron> Thanks leftyfb and genii.
[17:36] <donofrio> have you good folks ever seens "clone: Invalid argument"
[17:37] <capella> We don't take kindly to no sassy clones around here
[17:41] <donofrio> capella, nore do I that is why I am attempting to figure out how to resolve this message
[17:42] <capella> :-| I don't have any context, no scrollback
[17:44] <donofrio> ok let see when I try to run debian default webbrowser using this command "exo-open --launch WebBrowser %u" then it returns  "clone: Invalid argument"
[17:47] <donofrio> oh and then he quit ;(
[17:47] <donofrio> anyone else know how to troubleshoot this clone error?
[17:55] <Openwords> Hi
[17:57] <Openwords> I have a job offer related to wifi hardware compatibility with Ubuntu linux. This is a long term opportunity.
[17:58] <Openwords> A hardware company wishes to make their hardware compatible with Ubuntu Linux. Thought someone here might take interest, they are ready to devote resources to this task.
[17:59] <Openwords> I can provide any details if needed.
[18:04] <donofrio> trying to troubleshoot why when I run "Debian default browser" from the menu I get "Input/output" dialog but when I run from terminal it just states this
[18:06] <donofrio> from terminal it states "clone: Invalid argument"
[18:30] <donofrio> anyone here use remmina and have hard time when you set prefrences for ssh_color_scheme=6 and then set to green on black when I do this and do an ls -lsart I see the timestamp but the filesnames are blacked out ;(
[18:33] <alexas> we have some problems running printer Canon Laser shot LBP-1120 on Ubuntu 16 LTS, generic driver - that has given by the system doesn't work, there is some unspecified error - I forgot the name of which, any ideas how can I solve this remotely?
[18:46] <_geoff> is setting up services in /etc/systemd/system sufficient to get them to boot at startup?
[18:46] <_geoff> or do i have to do something other than adding the whatever.service there
[18:51] <mitmf> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMcWbAufarc  <—— 2:11 elf girl
[18:52] <alexas> ~.
[19:07] <leptone_> I'd like to do this to install yarn on my server: https://yarnpkg.com/lang/en/docs/install/#linux-tab
[19:08] <leptone_> But I need to install a specific (legacy) version
[19:08] <leptone_> how would I do that?
[19:08] <leptone_> sudo apt-get install yarn@0.23.4
[19:08] <leptone_> ?
[19:10] <alkisg> leptone_: when multiple versions are available, it's apt install package=version
[19:10] <leptone_> alkisg: thanks
[19:10] <alkisg> apt policy package => tells you which versions are available
[19:11] <leptone_> alkisg: so interm of repo config i would just do this the same: https://yarnpkg.com/lang/en/docs/install/#linux-tab
[19:11] <leptone_> curl -sS https://dl.yarnpkg.com/debian/pubkey.gpg | sudo apt-key add -
[19:11] <leptone_> echo "deb https://dl.yarnpkg.com/debian/ stable main" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/yarn.list
[19:11] <leptone_> but this would be
[19:11] <leptone_> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install yarn=0.23.4
[19:11] <leptone_> ?
[19:12] <Furai> Hello, I have a problem were I have 2 different bell/alert sounds playing. Can't figure out where it's doubled.
[19:12] <alkisg> Go up to apt-get update, then type apt policy yarn
[19:12] <alkisg> leptone_: if it tells you only one version exists, then you can install only that one
[19:12] <alkisg> If 0.23.4 does exist, yes, the command was right
[19:12] <leptone_> alkisg: im sorry i dont really follow
[19:12] <leptone_> ok cool!
[19:12] <leptone_> thanks
[19:16] <leptone_> alkisg: hhmm
[19:16] <leptone_> im getting
[19:16] <leptone_> E: Version '0.23.4' for 'yarn' was not found
[19:16] <alkisg> leptone_: what is the output of `apt policy yarn`? Put it to pastebin
[19:16] <alkisg> !paste
[19:19] <leptone_> alkisg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26083201/
[19:19] <ibmr50e> Guys! I tried to make my grub2 BEAUTIFUL by editing it with grub-customizer. I wanted to add Kanye West background image. It didn't work, now my grub2 is UGLY and has basic colors and fonts and I can't reverse it.. How to make it BEAUTIFUL or at least NORMAL again? Thank you!
[19:19] <alkisg> leptone_: which ubuntu version is that?
[19:19] <leptone_> 14 i think
[19:20] <leptone_> hang on
[19:20] <alkisg> leptone_: try apt-cache policy yarn
[19:22] <leptone_> alkisg: Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS
[19:22] <alkisg> (09:20:11 μμ) alkisg: leptone_: try apt-cache policy yarn
[19:23] <leptone_> alkisg: i am
[19:23] <leptone_> i dont have shell so it takes some time to stage, commit, push and then check the runner :/
[19:24] <leptone_> alkisg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26083226/
[19:24] <leptone_> no output
[19:24] <alkisg> leptone_: that means that the yarn package is not available
[19:25] <vivus> Hello all. What guarantee is there that a mirror for apt is maintaining the required packages as the main ubuntu repo?
[19:27] <alkisg> vivus: are you talking about official ubuntu mirrors? Check status at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[19:27] <hay207> Hi, i was using before the command "pactl load-module module-loopback" to play sound from microphone to headphone, but now it produces crackling sound
[19:27] <vivus> alkisg: when going to "software updater" and selecting "choose best mirror", does that choice count as an official mirror?
[19:27] <alkisg> vivus, yes
[19:28] <vivus> alkisg: why is it then that the mirror I was using had zero updates but when I switched to Ubuntu main, it gave me so many?
[19:28] <alkisg> vivus: click the link. Some mirrors say "2 days behind"
[19:28] <alkisg> Maybe you're on one of them
[19:29] <vivus> alkisg: no, I was definitely not 2 days behind. the mirror I was using had 0 packages to update and Ubuntu showed me like 30
[19:29] <vivus> alkisg: may I PM you?
[19:30] <alkisg> vivus, 30 packages can come in 2 days or in 1 day or in 7 days etc. A mirror may be up to date, 6 hours behind, 2 days behind, or more. Check the link.
[19:30] <alkisg> vivus: eh, since you asked nicely, sure, but for generic support using the channel is best :)
[19:31] <vivus> alkisg: what does it mean when a mirror says this: " Last update unknown " ?
[19:31] <alkisg> It might not be accessible. The launchpad code couldn't determine.
[19:32] <vivus> alkisg: so shouldn't the system tell the user that mirrors like that have not been updated/confirmed?
[19:32] <vivus> (or drop those mirrors from the options)
[19:33] <alkisg> vivus: I don't know more details, I told you what I knew
[19:33] <alkisg> You can file bug reports if you feel you can advice optimizations
[19:35] <ibmr50e> where I can learn all basic command lines like movings files or editing files or creating directories? is there a nice tutorial somewhere?
. PDF: <http://s.ntnu.no/bashguide.pdf>. Also lhunath's newer version (work in progress): <http://guide.bash.academy>
[19:36] <vivus> ibmr50e: those are gnu tools.
[19:37] <ibmr50e> wat?
[19:37] <vivus> nvm
[19:37] <leftyfb> ibmr50e: http://a.co/16zBill I got started with this book
[19:37] <ibmr50e> and you pro now leftyfb ?
[19:38] <leftyfb> ibmr50e: the correct answer is no. Nobody is ever a pro. If I'm not learning something new almost every day, I'm not doing my job.
[19:39] <leftyfb> ibmr50e: I've been running linux since 1994. Been using it professionally since 2007.
[19:40] <ibmr50e> i was born in 94, you pro for real man, i will try out your recommendation
[19:43] <BluesKaj>  besides a linux pro gets paid for supporting clients , we're all volunteers here
[19:55] <jayjo> I'm trying to install hugo on ubuntu 16.04 LTS. I've downloaded hugo_0.31.1_Linux-64bit.deb and when I install it using software manager hugo on the cli is not installed. Any ideas how to fix?
[19:57] <alkisg> jayjo: usually we stick to the ones offered by the ubuntu repositories, we don't download/install from other sites
[19:57] <alkisg> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=hugo => xenial has 0.15
[19:58] <jayjo> Yea it's just too far behind on the version. They're on .31, and most support requires >0.20
[19:58] <jayjo> using apt-get
[19:59] <alkisg> The problem is that ubuntu and #ubuntu don't support versions out of the repositories
[19:59] <alkisg> That said, try installing from the command line, you may see errors that will point you to a solution
[19:59] <alkisg> i.e. apt install file.deb
[20:01] <azureus> good night
[20:01] <azureus> help me please
[20:01] <azureus> efibootmgr -c -l \\EFI\\refind\\refind_x64.efi -L rEFInd
[20:02] <azureus>  Could not prepare Boot variable: No such file or directory
[20:03] <alkisg> azureus: ls /sys/firmware/efi
[20:03] <alkisg> Output?
[20:03] <azureus> acpi  dmi  efi  memmap
[20:03] <alkisg> sudo modprobe efivars
[20:04] <azureus> and next ?
[20:04] <alkisg> Again ls, do you now see efivars there?
[20:04] <alkisg> ls /sys/firmware/efi
[20:05] <azureus> config_table  esrt              fw_vendor  runtime-map  vars efivars       fw_platform_size  runtime    systab
[20:05] <alkisg> OK, now run the efibootmgr command you want
[20:05] <alkisg> Ah you typed the wrong output previously, it gave me the wrong impression
[20:05] <azureus> BootCurrent: 0001 Timeout: 0 seconds BootOrder: 2001,2002,2003 Boot0000* Unknown Device:  Boot0001* USB CDROM: SlimtypeES1 Boot0002* Unknown Device:  Boot0003* rEFInd Boot Manager Boot0004* ubuntu Boot0005* rEFInd Boot Manager Boot2001* EFI USB Device Boot2002* EFI DVD/CDROM Boot2003* EFI Network
[20:06] <azureus> and next ?
[20:08] <alkisg> azureus:  sudo find /boot/efi -name '*.efi'
[20:09] <azureus> https://pastebin.com/UDpcQvTy
[20:10] <azureus> and next
[20:14] <alkisg> azureus: are you using sudo? e.g. sudo efibootmgr -c -l \\EFI\\refind\\refind_x64.efi -L rEFInd
[20:14] <azureus> yes
[20:16] <azureus> so what do I do?
[20:16] <alkisg> Dunno. Maybe you need to specify the device etc as well, as they say in https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=160757
[20:16] <arooni> for admittedly pretty silly reasons i'd like to display the high five unicode via a fish script; �  ; on mac it works fine but if i try via ubuntu (� ) i dont see that output correctly ideas?  (using fish + regular gnome-terminal + tmux)
[20:17] <azureus> alkisg: so what do I do?
[20:17] <alkisg> Dunno. Try reading that link.
[20:20] <alkisg> arooni: which one is it, this one? 🙌
[20:21] <alkisg> arooni: http://graphemica.com/%F0%9F%99%8B => happy person raising one hand (U+1F64B) ?
[20:26] <melleb> Hi all, for some reason I can't seem to connect to WiFi a sudden. After suspend I couldn't get the connection up, rebooted and now I can't seem to connect at all :( I keep getting an Activation failed message.
[20:27] <arooni> alkisg: id like to get colored emojis in ubuntus terminal
[20:27] <melleb> Weird thing is nmtui seems to think I'm connected
[20:27] <arooni> is taht possible?
[20:27] <multifractal> How can I play VST or other virtual instruments on Ubuntu? And maybe use a MIDI keyboard from Akai?
[20:27] <melleb> restarting network-manager has no effect
[20:27] <alkisg> arooni: if they are unicode characters, yes. If they are drawings, no. Which unicode number does yours have?
[20:28] <melleb> Can anyone offer some help diagnosing the issue?
[20:30] <azureus> help me please
[20:32] <ioria> melleb, usually is  dmesg |grep -i <your interface name> or <your module name>
[20:36] <melleb> ioria: I'm using dimes
[20:36] <melleb> Autocorrect on Mac... :(
[20:36] <ioria> melleb, what is dimes ?
[20:36] <melleb> ioria: I'm using dmesg | grep -I wlp2s0
[20:37] <melleb> Macbook has a keyboard I'm not used to ;)
[20:37] <ioria> melleb, dmesg | grep wlp2s0
[20:37] <melleb> ioria: It mentions authentication is timed out
[20:38] <ioria> melleb, and module in use ?
[20:39] <ioria> melleb, lspci -k | grep -i Network -A 3
[20:39] <melleb> ioria: Not sure how to check
[20:40] <melleb> ioria: Ah,thx
[20:40] <melleb> ioria: Kernel module ath10k_pci
[20:41] <melleb> ioria: dimes | grep -I ath10k_pci => direct firmware load for ath10k/cal-pci-0000:02:00.0.bin failed with error -2
[20:41] <melleb> (that should be a lower case i)
[20:42] <TJ-> melleb: which kernel version is that? "uname -a"
[20:42] <melleb> ioria: Direct firmware load for ath10k/QCA6174/hw3.0/firmware-5.bin failed with error -2
[20:43] <ioria> melleb, a firmware error, what ubuntu release and and ebver worked  ?
[20:43] <ioria> *ever
[20:43] <atyz> Hey all... I have a couple of noob linux questions if you don't mind?
[20:43] <melleb> TJ-: 4.4.0-101-generic
[20:43] <atyz> What is the difference, in general, between "setting uid" when executing a command setting a $UID environmental variable?
[20:44] <melleb> ioria: I'm on 16.04 lts
[20:44] <atyz> This is in reference to the chown command
[20:44] <TJ-> melleb: strange; I don't see that firmware file listed in the module
[20:44] <ioria> melleb, yep, it was working before ?
[20:44] <melleb> ioria: yep
[20:44] <atyz> Specifically the differences between `chown -u` and `chown -U`
[20:44] <atyz> Erm `chps -u` and `chpst -U`
[20:45] <ioria> melleb, sudo lshw -c network
[20:45] <TJ-> melleb: what does this show "pastebinit <( modinfo -F firmware /lib/modules/4.4.0-101-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath/ath10k/ath10k_pci.ko ) "
[20:45] <atyz> I don't quite understand why the man pages specify that one sets the $UID env var
[20:45] <melleb> ioria: What info are you interested in?
[20:45] <ioria> melleb, paste it, please
[20:46] <ioria> melleb,  Killer 1535 (QCA6174 ?
[20:47] <melleb> TJ-: Do not have an internet connection, can't paste it :(
[20:47] <ioria> melleb,  the good service of an ethernet cable
[20:49] <TJ-> melleb: OK, let's do this another way then. You can test locally if that file is in the package linux-firmware: "dpkg -S hw3.0/firmware-5.bin" You'll see a few but check if the EXACT path matches
[20:49] <TJ-> melleb: check for "/lib/firmware/ath10k/QCA6174/hw3.0/firmware-5.bin"
[20:51] <TJ-> melleb: as far as I can see "hw3.0/firmware-5.bin" is missing from linux-firmware 1.157.13
[20:52] <TJ-> melleb: So I'm going to assume the system did a kernel upgrade at some point before the reboot and has moved to a mor recent kernel which doesn't have that firmware file
[20:54] <melleb> ioria: This is unbelievable, I seriously do not have an ethernet cable here... :/
[20:54] <ioria> melleb,  if occurred a kernel update, i'd suggest boot a previous kernel to test ?
[20:55] <melleb> TJ-: dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern *hw3.0/firmware-5.bin
[20:55] <atyz> Could someone please explain the difference here: -u [:]user[:group]               setuidgid.   Set  uid and gid to the user's uid and gid, as found in /etc/passwd.  If user is followed by a colon and a group, set the gid to group's gid, as               found in /etc/group, instead of user's gid.  If group consists of a colon-separated list of group names, chpst sets the group ids of all listed  groups.   If               user is prefi
[20:58] <rumbler31> I can never remember the "correct" way to add a route.  so officially, is it supposed to be done with the "ip route" command or the "route" command?
[20:59] <atyz> I dont' understand the distinction between why one sets the environmental variables and the other does not
[20:59] <atyz> How does that change this
[20:59] <frazr> Hi there folks, trying to find a fancy new laptop that supports docking station with multiple monitors, sort of out of the box running ubuntu, anyone know of such a machine? :P
[21:00] <frazr> Getting a new 2000$ laptop from my new employer, but struggling to find one that doesnt struggle with dockingstation + 2 monitors
[21:04] <TJ-> melleb: Try booting it to an older kernel from the GRUB boot menu's Advanced sub-menu. I think the kernel has upgraded to a version that doesn't carry the correct firmware files
[21:04] <TJ-> rumbler31: "ip route add "
[21:06] <TJ-> frazr: Several Dell XPS I believe, although you'll need to check on the docking station support. I use the ExpressCard port to attach a ViDock that has a dual-GPU in, letting the PC drive 6 monitors
[21:06] <TJ-> frazr: dual monitor alone shouldn't require a docking station in most cases
[21:07] <V7> Hey all :)
[21:07] <V7> The full error: https://hastebin.com/tosenoromi.sql
[21:07] <V7> I can't use a bluetooth dungle because of "Failed to create a proxy device for the USB device. (Error: VERR_READ_ERROR)."
[21:07] <V7> This's VirtualBox
[21:07] <frazr> But its comfortable, annoying having to connect/disconnect cables each day on the office
[21:07] <V7> Btw this dongle work on host os
[21:07] <V7> works *
[21:07] <frazr> Yeah, Dell XPS , Thinkpad Carbon or Thinkpad 25
[21:07] <frazr> it looks like as it is now
[21:08] <frazr> my options that is
[21:09] <TJ-> frazr: check the Dell D.S. it has a list of compatible models. http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen&sku=452-BBPG
[21:10] <atyz> Is my question formatted badly? Or does nobody know what the difference is?
[21:10] <TJ-> frazr: I have a D.S. on a Sony Vaio too, but don't think they make those any more
[21:10] <V7> Anyone ?
[21:12] <rumbler31> TJ-: ty
[21:12] <frazr> hmmm yeah, hard choice :)
[21:13] <melleb> TJ-: It's also not working for kernel 4.4.0-98-generic :/
[21:14] <TJ-> atyz: read the "EMULATION" part of the man-page for chpst
[21:14] <TJ-> melleb: did the /lib/firmware/ath10k/ files get nuked or something?
[21:15] <melleb> TJ-: kernel 4.4.0-97-generic doesn't work either...
[21:16] <melleb> TJ-: /lib/firmware/ath10k has multiple directories
[21:17] <TJ-> frazr: according to this forum there are working DisplayLink drivers for the Dell D3100 D.S. too: http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/software-os/f/3525/t/19618020
[21:17] <melleb> TJ-: Including the QCA6174 directory (which shows up in lshw -c network)
[21:17] <TJ-> melleb: right, and in that directory, are there several firimware-*.bin files?
[21:18] <melleb> TJ-: The QCA6174 contains firmware-*.bin files
[21:18] <TJ-> melleb: do "dmesg | grep 'firmware-.\.bin' " and see if the kernel is asking for any file that matches those listed
[21:19] <melleb> TJ-: But there is no firmware-5.bin!
[21:19] <TJ-> melleb: the 2 need to line up; otherwise the issue is the firmware files aren't available at the point the the ath10k_pci driver is loading
[21:19] <TJ-> melleb: right, but the way firmware loading works is the kernel module has a *list* of firmware files and will try them all, starting with the most recent and going backwards
[21:19] <melleb> TJ-: dimes
[21:20] <TJ-> melleb: so you need to look at the list of firmware files dmesg shows the module failing for, and compare against what's in /lib/firmware/
[21:20] <melleb> TJ-: dmesg | grep 'firmware... shows only firmware-5.bin
[21:20] <TJ-> melleb: well! that is strange.
[21:20] <atyz> What does a girl need to do to get an answer?
[21:20] <TJ-> melleb: what does "dpkg -l linux-firmware" report as the installed version
[21:20] <TJ-> atyz: I answered you
[21:21] <atyz> Oh it didn't ping me. Thank you!
[21:22] <melleb> TJ-: dpkg -l linux-firmware shows version 1.157.13
[21:22] <atyz> @TJ- I'm afraid I'm not sure what that means
[21:22] <TJ-> atyz: once you've read that EMULATION section you should realise the executable is a multipath binary, that is it can respond to multiple names and act in different ways according to the name.
[21:23] <TJ-> atyz: in other words if you call chpst as  envuidgid it'll use the -U variant and set environment variables
[21:23] <TJ-> atyz: if you call it as setuidgid it'll use the -u variant
[21:24] <TJ-> melleb: hmmm! try "modinfo -F firmware ath10k_pci" to list all the firmware versions it knows about; look at those listed in the .../hw3.0/ path
[21:24] <melleb> TJ-: It shows firmware-5.bin but not firmware-6.bin
[21:26] <TJ-> melleb: does it not show firmware-4.bin too?
[21:26] <melleb> TJ-: It does show firmware-4.bin
[21:27] <atyz> @TJ- : Ok. I guess still confused. I'm unsure of what the differences are if I were to use chpset -u as opposed chpst -U. In my case I'm seeing that `chpst -u foo:bar command` fails because foo does not have permission to access the group (it is a member of). While when I use `chpst -U foo:bar command` it is able to execute the command correctly
[21:27] <TJ-> melleb: and you don't see that installed in /lib/firmware/ ?
[21:27] <melleb> TJ-: So if I'm understanding correctly it *should* work? Because it tries 4 first, and then fails on 5?
[21:28] <melleb> TJ-: firmware-4.bin exists
[21:29] <TJ-> melleb: It should try 6, then 5, then 4
[21:29] <TJ-> melleb: I'm looking at the same stuff here on 16.04 and the kernel module and the firmware files for QCA6174/hw3.0 -4 and -6 exist
[21:29] <melleb> TJ-: But 6 does not appear in mod info -F firmware ath10k_pci
[21:30] <TJ-> melleb: hmmm... is ath10k_pci being loaded from the initital ramdisk? in which case these firmware files may not be installed in it
[21:30] <melleb> TJ-: I'm not sure what loading from the initial ramdisk means...
[21:30] <TJ-> melleb: sorry, you're correct, -5 and -4 do appear
[21:32] <TJ-> melleb: when the OS boots, the boot-loader loads the kernel and a small temporary root file-system called the initrd.img (initial RAM disk) into memory. The initrd is responsible for bringing up enough hardware for the root file-system to be mounted, plus a few other tasks. Sometimes a network driver is also loaded from there. If ath10k_pci were being loaded from there it'd also need the firmware file... it's
[21:32] <TJ-> possible the scripts that build the initrd.img failed to copy in the firmware files.
[21:32] <melleb> TJ-: Ehm I'm just thinking of something: 'iwlist scan' works. So that should mean the driver works right?
[21:33] <TJ-> melleb: hmmm, you've a good point there! I bet it's loaded firmware-4.bin (but it doesn't report that, only failures for the prior tries!)
[21:34] <melleb> TJ-: That sounds plausible I guess ;)
[21:34] <TJ-> : atyz with the -U variant it's only assigning values to shell variables, it's not actually changing the uid/gids the process is executed as, whereas -u does that
[21:34] <TJ-> melleb: I forgot that little gotcha! without "debug" level kernel logging it doesn't show the successful firmware load!
[21:35] <TJ-> melleb: so now we've got that little problem sorted out :D
[21:35] <atyz> TJ-: Oh? in that case if I were to run ps aux | grep command. It wouldn't be running as `foo`
[21:35] <melleb> TJ-: Yeah... ;)
[21:36] <TJ-> melleb: so what's the real problem hehehe?
[21:36] <melleb> TJ-: I can't seem to connect to wifi
[21:36] <melleb> TJ-: Where I could before
[21:36] <melleb> TJ-: Tried it in 2 locations that previously worked
[21:36] <TJ-> melleb: "rfkill list" shows everything unblocked?
[21:37] <melleb> TJ-: nothing is blocked
[21:37] <atyz> Huh, you're right
[21:37] <TJ-> melleb: Can you see any APs in the scan result?
[21:37] <melleb> TJ-: Yep
[21:37] <TJ-> melleb: so this is specific to your regular AP?
[21:37] <TJ-> melleb: is the PC using Network Manager to handle the connection?
[21:38] <melleb> TJ-: I'm on a laptop and tried 2 APs that used to work
[21:38] <melleb> TJ-: Yep, using network-manager
[21:38] <TJ-> melleb: N.M. logs quite verbosely to /var/log/syslog along with wpa_supplicant and dhclient, so I'd look there to begin with
[21:41] <atyz> @TJ- Thank you. In that case I have a couple of questions regarding how the permission model works in linux. Do you mind?
[21:41] <TJ-> atyz: go ahead :)
[21:41] <melleb> TJ-: What I'm seeing (using tail -f /var/log/syslog | grep -Ei '(dhclient|wpa_supplicant|network)') is that it is scanning -> authenticating -> disconnected -> scanning 3x
[21:42] <melleb> TJ-: Then spa_supplicant mentions CTRL-EVENT-SSID-TEMP-DISABLED with auth_failures=1 duration-10 reason-CONN_FAILED
[21:42] <melleb> *wpa_supplicant
[21:42] <atyz> @TJ- If a user `foo` runs `cmd` in order to access `aFile`, then what is the interaction between the permissions on `cmd` and the permissions on `aFile`?
[21:43] <TJ-> melleb: hmmm, let me do some digging. In the meantime have you checked the N.M. connection configuration in case the WPA passphrase or Auth details have changed?
[21:43] <melleb> TJ-: After that it gives a warning Activation failed
[21:43] <atyz>  Do the user's permissions, or the user's "sudo status", in some sense pass through the cmd for the purposes of determine what file access is allowed?
[21:43] <melleb> TJ-: Auth details have not changed
[21:44] <TJ-> atyz: well first, 'cmd' must be readable/exectuable to 'foo' or groups foo is a member of. Then, once 'cmd' is executing, any files it tries to access must be at least readable, and sometimes also writeable, and directories need to be traversable (the 'x' permission on directories)
[21:46] <atyz> Ok so if the command is readable / executable to `foo` or the groups it's a member off. The file needs to be accessible to the user `foo` in order for that command to act upon it?
[21:47] <atyz> So the access permissions on the `cmd` have no bearing on what `foo` can do to `aFile`?
[21:48] <atyz> I.e. `cmd` inherits the user `foo`'s permissions for the execution?
[21:49] <TJ-> melleb: this may be related; check with "lspci -nn" if your device matches those reported. Bug #1670041
[21:49] <TJ-> atyz: correct
[21:50] <atyz> @TJ- Thank you!
[21:51] <atyz> So if foo were to run `sudo cmd` the `cmd` is inheriting `root` permissions and would be run as such
[21:51] <TJ-> atyz: correct
[21:53] <atyz> @TJ- Are there any cases where a cmd has "embedded permissions"? I.e. allows the user to perform acts through the `cmd` that the user would not generally have access to
[21:55] <TJ-> atyz: some system services will start as 'root' to access certain privileged files, then once they've read the data, opened sockets, etc.,, 'drop' their privileges to run as a different (unprivileged) users
[21:55] <atyz> @TJ- does that have a name?
[21:56] <TJ-> atyz: also, there are a VERY FEW 'cmd's that are 'setuid' - meaning they run with the privileges the file itself has, meaning a /usr/sbin/cmd owned by root and with it's 's' permission bit set, would be able to run as root
[21:56] <TJ-> atyz: see "man chmod" and the "SETUID AND SETGID BITS" section
[21:57] <TJ-> melleb: making any progress?
[22:01] <melleb> TJ-: The bug is relevant.
[22:02] <TJ-> melleb: Ahhh.... do you think it's the entire explanation though?  wonder why it has suddenly started affecting you
[22:02] <melleb> TJ-: The only weird thing is that I didn't run into this before
[22:02] <melleb> TJ-: Exactly!
[22:03] <melleb> TJ-: Scanning the thread, looking for any clues...
[22:04] <TJ-> melleb: comment #54 about powersave, possibly
[22:04] <TJ-> melleb: although that seems more about throughput, not connectivity
[22:04] <melleb> TJ-: Tried it, and rebooted, no effect
[22:05] <TJ-> melleb: I think Bug #1663971 is more yours
[22:05] <melleb> TJ-: So this doesn't explain me not getting a connection at all
[22:06] <TJ-> melleb: to which the solution seems to be install the hardware enablement kernels (one of the linux-*-hwe-* variations)
[22:06] <atyz> @TJ- THank you!
[22:07] <melleb> TJ-: What are those? (And where do I get those?)
[22:08] <melleb> TJ-: Ah giyf
[22:11] <TJ-> melleb: but you're going to need some networking from somewhere to fetch them, unless you use apt-offline from your working PC
[22:11] <melleb> TJ-: I'll plug in an ethernet cable at work
[22:12] <TJ-> melleb: apt-offline is a good alternative; it generates a 'signature' of the offline PC which you move to an online PC and it can then fetch the packages you need, which can be transferred back (usually via USB storage)
[22:12] <melleb> TJ-:  Why do you figure I need the HWE kernel? Not able to conclude that from #1663971
[22:12] <TJ-> melleb: the other option is to try to force the wifi device to use 802.11g rather than 802.11ac
[22:13] <melleb> TJ-: nvrmind, figured it out ;)
[22:13] <TJ-> melleb: comment #5 says upgrading to v4.8 or v4.10 solved it
[22:13] <melleb> TJ-: So a sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-16.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-16.04  should fix it?
[22:14] <melleb> TJ-: Is there a quick way to force 802.11g?
[22:14] <TJ-> melleb: yes, or even use the "hwe-edge" variant which I use, which gives you the Artful kernel
[22:14] <TJ-> melleb: not sure; check the N.M. settings
[22:15] <melleb> TJ-: I think I'll try the HWE first
[22:15] <TJ-> melleb: doesn't look like it's easily done through N.M. Connection Editor at least
[22:16] <melleb> TJ-: Ok, I'll try the HWE kernel and possibly hwe-edge kernel tomorrow
[22:16] <melleb> TJ-: Thanks a lot for your help and patience, much appreciated!
[22:16] <melleb> TJ-: gtg, thx and bye!
[22:17] <TJ-> melleb: good luck with it
[22:18] <ibmr50e> so what cool thing one can do on linux
[22:18] <ibmr50e> imma linux user now, what nice things i can do here
[22:18] <ibmr50e> i can learn to code?
[22:19] <Bashing-om> ibmr50e: The only limitation is your own imagination .
[22:20] <johnnyfive> Is there a writeup about how packages are updated/fixes backported/old versions deleted in ubuntu?
[22:21] <Bashing-om> !repository | johnnyfive A place to start
[22:22] <TJ-> johnnyfive: see http://packaging.ubuntu.com/singlehtml/
[22:23] <ibmr50e> is there a chat channel for kanye west fans?
[22:23] <johnnyfive> @Bashing-om, thanks; TJ- that's what I was looking for, thanks!
[22:23] <ibmr50e> there was a command to install Ubuntu Software Center on my lubuntu, does someone remember it?
[22:23] <ibmr50e> apt-get something
[22:26] <johnnyfive> so I wrote a version of an ubuntu repo indexer in Go, think the community would have an interest in that?
[22:27] <Bashing-om> !software-center | ibmr50e
[22:28] <ibmr50e> thx Bashing-om
[22:28] <Bashing-om> !info software-center | ibmr50e
[22:28] <Bashing-om> !info software-center xenial | ibmr50e
[22:29] <Bashing-om> ibmr50e: Be aware ^^ .
[22:30] <ibmr50e> so what replaced software-center in artful?
[22:31] <Bashing-om> ibmr50e: I have no experience to this time with those beyond xenial . can not advise myself .
[22:35] <krytarik> !info gnome-software | ibmr50e, Bashing-om
[22:35] <jluc> https://mail.gnome.org/archives/ftp-release-list/2013-September/msg00087.html
[22:39] <Bashing-om> krytarik: :) noted .
[22:39] <quint> How can I allow ffmpeg to decode opus?
[22:39] <quint> It seems to only want to encode it.
[22:42] <ibmr50e> what does GKSU app do?
[22:43] <ibmr50e> why do developers include some not useful info in --help but not actually what does the app do???
[22:43] <ibmr50e> i do gksu --help and i still dont know what it do
[22:43] <Bashing-om> ibmr50e: See: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2374812 for application in 17.10 .
[22:44] <Bashing-om> ibmr50e: wayland is a whole new ball game :)
[22:45] <ibmr50e> i dont know what wayland is but ok
[22:47] <ibmr50e> some guy told me to make my swap file usage lower
[22:47] <ibmr50e> is it safe?
[22:47] <ibmr50e> # Decrease swap usage to a more reasonable level
[22:47] <ibmr50e> vm.swappiness=10
[22:47] <ibmr50e> he said I should do that if I have less than 2GB ram
[22:47] <Bashing-om> !wayland | ibmr50e
[22:48] <ibmr50e> so I have Wayland too on Lubuntu?
[22:49] <quint> ibmr50e: It provides a GTK grahical "sudo" prompt for graphical applications running on an X11 display
[22:50] <ibmr50e> so its some other way to confirm my superuser permissions?
[22:50] <ibmr50e> i see i see
[22:50] <quint> Yes.
[22:50] <Bashing-om> ibmr50e: 17.10 no longer has a swap partition . instead - on a default install - is a swap file . And sure one can change the default value . I changed mine to a value of 10 . If you find a fault one can always revert the change .
[22:50] <JoeRW> I just started using Ubuntu 17.10 not too long ago, and I must say, that this version paired with the Numix theme and Numix Circle icon theme  looks absolutely brilliant.
[22:51] <ibmr50e> Bashing-om, i changed mine now too i think to 10 a guy recommended
[22:51] <quint> It's just a nice looking way to prompt for your password for root access.
[22:51] <JoeRW> Just thought I'd share that for anyone who is really looking to make their desktop very modern.
[22:52] <ibmr50e> dude i have 1.7 cpu i can't do modern! hehe
[22:54] <ibmr50e> how to manage my startup apps?
[22:54] <ibmr50e> what command?
[23:15] <JoeRW> ibmr50e: Lol!
[23:21] <johnnyfive> Ok, so let's say there's this package in xenial: mplayer (2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu13.3), and security fix gets released for mplayer, pushing it to mplayer (2:1.0~rc1-0ubuntu13.4). The .3 version is deleted from xenial-security, and the new one is placed there, correct? no access to the older version?
[23:22] <johnnyfive> and furthermore, updates in xenial-updates are snapshotted at a release, nothing can be added afterwards?
[23:22] <TJ-> johnnyfive: assuming it's in -security it'll move to -updates too
[23:23] <TJ-> johnnyfive: it's the base xenial that'll not be changed
[23:23] <johnnyfive> ah I see. In both cases do the older versions get removed completely?
[23:24] <johnnyfive> this is the lifecycle i'm trying to understand, and haven't found it written out explicitly anywhere.
[23:25] <johnnyfive> by 'completely' I mean no longer even in /pool/, let alone in the xenial-blah index
[23:28] <TJ-> johnnyfive: if there's an -update (via -security or -proposed) the older version in -updates get deleted from the archive. You can see these actions in the Publishing History of the source package on Launchpad
[23:29] <ibmr50e> yo guys, now I read that if im a normal user and I dont code i should only use LTS versions, is it true?
[23:29] <johnnyfive> Oh perfect TJ- thanks. I'll go read some of that history to learn more.
[23:30] <ibmr50e> yo what was ubuntu DE before Unity?
[23:30] <ibmr50e> i remember it but barely
[23:30] <ibmr50e> some weird name
[23:31] <Jordan_U> ibmr50e: Gnome.
[23:32] <PlainDave> What's the terminal command for finding out what version the kernel is?
[23:32] <Bashing-om> PlainDave: ' uname -a ' .
[23:33] <PlainDave> Bashing-om, Thanks
[23:33] <Jordan_U> ibmr50e: That depends on more factors, like how much you care about / need having the latest versions of apps. I will say that when I prepare an Ubuntu machine for non-tecnical users I always use an LTS release. Note that you can be far from a "non technical" user without being a developer.
[23:34] <ibmr50e> I have original Kubuntu CD from ShipIt times, is it worth something on ebay??
[23:34] <ibmr50e> also some edubuntu
[23:36] <Jordan_U> ibmr50e: That's not really on topic for this technical support channel. Try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic .
[23:36] <ibmr50e> Jordan_U, kk i will, thank you for your answer regarding LTS, new one comes in April, right? i will stick to that cause im too noob to downgrade everything now
[23:48] <PlainDave> Does anyone know how to reload just the desktop environment with Xfce? (without rebooting)
[23:49] <ibmr50e> xfdesktop -reload
[23:49] <PlainDave> ibmr50e, thanks
[23:50] <ibmr50e> no problem PlainDave. i know things so i can share my knowledge.
[23:50] <PlainDave> that's awesome
[23:52] <lamefun> Is there a repository of MinGW packages beyond just the compiler?
[23:53] <ibmr50e> well most of them are libraries right
[23:55] <lamefun> Yes, libraries for cross-compiling.
[23:57] <lamefun> There only seems to be gcc and the basic libraries in the repositories.