 I strongly recommend this boat loader and everything will be a lot easier
 (Photo, 698x753) https://irc.ubports.com/OYMJOKXy/file_2518.jpg
 wow, from my tests this boat loader really drags the system down
 Just keep trying, Peter.  You can't just quit.
 If you accidentally cut it in half, you can simply use flex tape to put it back together
[02:51] <tgBot> joeyshome was added by: joeyshome
 Hello @joey and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @Crash_Burn, wrong handle
 Joey's handle is @joeyshome
 What was up with that 3 hour silence above ? Ha. Question before I sleep: Is it possible to make a private web app with this web app creator app or is it always published to Openstore? Thanks
 You can save the click file, install the click file via open store or publish it.
 would be even better if you could open and edit previously stored click files too
[07:08] <tgBot> <Gleb Lee 🇸🇨> Hi. I want to try to create a webapp, but I'm not ready yet to flash my phone. Is there any environment to test webapps for UT? Maybe, just UT Browser in Unity8 is enough? … I need to check how content-origin policy work etc.
 Hi i try to use tetering hotspot with my n5 but not working. It's a bug or doesn't work only for me?
 @Gleb Lee 🇸🇨, Using the SDK on 16.04 will be enough to test webapps. Doesn't need to be unity8 just somewhere you can run oxide 😊
[07:10] <tgBot> <Gleb Lee 🇸🇨> @DanChapman oh, thanks! I thought SDK no longer work...
 works for me on 16.04. It's just not available on the latest releases
[07:12] <tgBot> <Gleb Lee 🇸🇨> Ah, OK. Will try)
 @Gleb Lee 🇸🇨, Or you find fellow users who want to help testing ;) - but sorry we dont have a working emulator
 The simplest way to test a webapp is to do `webapp-container --app-id=webapp.test https://webapp.url`
 Once you've installed the sdk that is. THen you can fiddle about with the config files and what not
[07:16] <tgBot> <Gleb Lee 🇸🇨> Dan, thanks! Could I run local html bundle this way?
 yes you can pass it a local html file url
[07:22] <tgBot> <Gleb Lee 🇸🇨> OK, thanks. Brian Douglass shared this as example previously: https://github.com/bhdouglass/terrartisan/blob/master/terrartisan.desktop#L3
[07:24] <tgBot> <Gleb Lee 🇸🇨> And the last question. Is there any CSS library that recreates UT style guides (buttons, colours, etc)? If no, I'll try this.
 Errrm there is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-html5-theme but its old and no longer matches the current suru style.
 So i wouldn't recommend using it. You would probably get better results rolling your own
 Or bringing that one up to date 😉
[07:33] <tgBot> <Gleb Lee 🇸🇨> At least this is good place for start. Thanks, Dan!
 👍
 Hi, yes or no question (if 'no' I'll dig deeper into the documentation): Can I "migrate" my phone from (Canonical's) UbuntuTouch to UBports simply by switching channels like so:  … sudo system-image-cli —switch 15.04/stable … ?
 @Andreas, Pretty sure you can't, since the Canonical image has now way of knowing about the UBports servers
 Ok, thanks. I'll read some more in how-to-install-ubports on the web site. Thought there ws a shortcut ;)
[08:29] <tgBot> thomorl was added by: thomorl
 (Sticker, 507x512) https://irc.ubports.com/yrXDJeyx/file_2519
 @wayneoutthere, Yes
 @YougoChats, Oh. thanks
 @YougoChats, It's in the to do list 😬
 @mixmoto, Not every provider allows it
 @Andreas, Sadly not. You do need to install fresh
 this is just so wrong http://blog.streamr.com/2017/11/streamr-jolla-zipper-blockchain-phone/
 even now jolla is broken ... there is really just ubports to the rescue
 @, Hello Deleted Person and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 Does anyone know the status of the new camera and scree......n....   ...................................................??...............?..????.??....%?...?........... ...?....................................?..........................................................................%%..?...h?......?....?..
 @Greg, Guessing this is FP2?
 @Flohack with Telegram 2.5.1 I can't hear voice messages except the ones downloaded from previous versions
 (Voice, 0s)https://irc.ubports.com/0ApiX3hT/file_2520
 Interesting
 It worked in 2.5.0??
 @cibersheep, It works 😆
 hi folks... in the latest community update you talk about images for OP3 and HTC10, though they are not (yet?) usable. Unfortunately my old phone (blackberry z30) is slowly dieing and I'm afraid it will be dead before a new device for ubports comes out. I'm not that much attracted to the current supported devices... Is there any information on if one of the two mentioned devices will become supported? The HTC 10 is quite nice I think
 @Christof, I think both have good chances to get supported ;) - But dont ask me when...
 @Flohack, Yes. And I can hear audios downloaded in 2.5.0
 But not in 2.5.1
 @garrogarri, What version of Telegram are you using?
 I'm on desktop
 @garrogarri, Thats not a test then ^^
 (Photo, 333x294) https://irc.ubports.com/adC5sOr1/file_2522.jpg
 @Flohack, Many thanks! Looking forward to new devices and hopefully my blackberry makes it to that day😊 thanks to the whole team and keep up the good work!
 @cibersheep, When you press play, stays in blue a s no 'pause' icon and no sound
 @garrogarri, XD we are testing the ububtu phone client hehehe
 @cibersheep, I thought it was a transmission test 😆
 @garrogarri, 😄😅
 Apologies for that odd message my phone hasn't been getting taps registered on part of the screen then started doing phantom taps just then, yes FP2
 @cibersheep, Let me test
 It doesn't work
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/6k6WkJc4/file_2523
 @Greg, New screen is supported in devel channel but sadly no support for the new camera. I am waiting too but 16.04 is more urgent 😃
 But there are eventual plans to support the new cameras both front and back? Assume it would be easier to support them with the drivers from xenual anyway right
 @Greg, Yikes, sounds like a dying digtizer😔
 That'll be fixed by a new screen module though right? Not that much of an issue
 fairphone support is very good. If it died on its own (no damage from dropping etc) within warranty, they will send you a new screen (no idea which hardware version) or have your phone picked up, repaired/replaced and sent back.
 do flash fairphone OS back on it to avoid funny questions
 Got it second hand sadly, seller gave me a partial refund to cover it though
 What do youean by hardware version, the screen or phone itself
 I run Telegram 2.5.1.0 and after 3 seconds the icons of all supergroups turn into violet and it is impossible to enter them.
 @Cesar_Herrera, Could you please send an screenshot ?
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/panzw9xq/file_2525.jpg
 @Cesar_Herrera, Also very interesting ^^
 Plz send me logfile if possible
 @Flohack, Where send I it, please?
 @Cesar_Herrera, PM it here
 I mean in Telegram ^^
 @Greg, Mine was sexond handed too, but luckily I had the seller's number. I called him and he was fine with sending me his original purchase receipt. Its worth a try
 @Greg, Both really. They decided to replace my entire phone, but I got one with all old hardware. Not bad, but I secretly hoped they would send me a phone with the new camera module 😏
 It depends on what they have on the shelf. I think if they decide to only replace one component, the chance of getting new hardware version is higher
 @Flohack, Sorry I don't remember where is it.
 what if i make a new boot system?
 is that bad?
 Like, it can be loaded from the android boot loader and put i
 can then make it replace it
 I just wondering... random thought
 I think a new boot system that can multi-boot and manage partitions..
 would be good
 I feel like doing something easy like that right now
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/SIFqlpaN/file_2526.log
 Hmm maybe it fucked up the database upgrade
 you hav 2.5.0 before?
 @Flohack, Yes
 @Flohack, Perhaps before I did the command pkon in a bad way
 @Cesar_Herrera, It just looks as if your telegram cannot access the channels. are you familiar with sqlite?
 Not very much. But say
 Hmm can you adb into the phone
 @Flohack, No.
 Is it possible to get newer web browser app to UT? Current browser is based in chromium 55 and I can't access to my web bank with it.. My Bank refuses to support current version. 😞
 I have tried to change user agent strings but it doesn't help.
 And how did I it
 @samitormanen, Is in the works. Unfortunately 57 broke all BQ devices...
 In the afternoon I may do tethering.
 Ok. Thanks @Flohack
 @Cesar_Herrera, You need usb cable only ^^ and linux with adb installed
 Yes I have it installed as Apitz
 I use ssh not adb
 @Cesar_Herrera, Ok then plz ssh ionto your device, change to .cache/com.ubuntu.telegram... dir, and then into your profile directory with your phone number
 there you will find 2 .db files
 SORRY .config!
 @Flohack, Weit until this afternool. Sorry
 @Flohack, I see 2 db
 @Flohack, I'm also there in terminal.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/o6gfv4vA/file_2527
 no one have any opinions on another boot mechanism?
 like, something that android bootloader can load or that can be flashed directly, and that handles multi-boot and repartitioning of your drive... Like it would reside in recovery partition, be called from boot partition so that it loads and not the kernel, it would do everything TWRP does, everything the current ubuntu recovery does, handle multiboot, and we could use system partition as / and userdata parition as /home
 then we could install the rootfs to a native partition, which could be resized to house multiple rootfs's via the boot system which can also load images when resizing to set up dual-boot
 it wouldn't require flashing android bootloader
 but it would, if you want multi-boot, repartition the device
 @Cesar_Herrera, Ok you need sqlite3 userdata.db
 type it ^^
 sry its database.db ^^ I am not rly well organized today
 @Gleb Lee 🇸🇨, Sounds like you want an html5 Cordova app, not a webapp.
 @Cesar_Herrera, Ok just ping me when you are ready
 I will rollback to the older telegram version because of the audio messages. I am receiving a few today lol
 Lol ok
 @Flohack I'm in the directory, and?
 sqlite3 database.db
 then enter: select * from chats where accessHash > 0;
 do you get any output?
 Sqlite3 and?
 @Flohack, Be patient please.
 just type it with parameter database.db
 then it opens the db immediately
 @Flohack, It lets a lot of things separated by |
 @Flohack, sqlite> select * from chats where accessHash > 0;                               … 1190625957|0|0||UBports News Channel||15113497639|1|73394|-7761333253501751230|1|804725225201 … 1059487747|0|0||UBports Supergroup [ENGLISH]|0|1737397639|1|28741|-1896395621444036648|429|4|430524416 … sqlite>
 @cibersheep, cool.  this is interesting.... i believe today I will do for private CRM access and see how that flows.  thanks!
 @Cesar_Herrera, Ok so thats not the problem
 You got only those 2 supergroups?
 channels?
 @Flohack, If I close the app and delete de databases it is oK?
 @Greg, How do I read this into a mic for a 'quotable moment' on the News Desk?  ;)
 I thint they are more
 @Cesar_Herrera, yes better even is you go to the menu, select settings on the bottom and "Log Out", then close and restart app
 @wayneoutthere, google translate can help you figuring this out
 @Flohack, OK
 @peternerlich, finally! a reason to use google!
 @Xorpad i would totally answer your questions above about boot loaders but.. the only thing  I know about is boat loaders...
 lol
 @wayneoutthere, try japanese voice also
 that is weird. it speaks a majority of the dots out loud, but only if you translate it to german and let it voice it on the translated end insteead of from the input:
[13:08] <tgBot> https://translate.google.com/#ja/de/Does%20anyone%20know%20the%20status%20of%20the%20new%20camera%20and%20scree......n....%20%20%20...................................................%3F%3F...............%3F..%3F%3F%3F%3F.%3F%3F....%25%3F...%3F...........%20...%3F....................................%3F..........................................................................%25%25..%3F...h%3F......%3F....%3F..
 anyway, this should really belong it ot...
 time to bring on the Lab!
 Happy Patreon day, everyone!
 @UniversalSuperBox, what's patreon day?  a call out to anyone who isn't already subscribed?
 @Flohack, Finally I did what you said, but as it waited a lot I unistall, erased everything and reinstalled. Finally OK.
 Ok then its good. Maybe we need to advise that people can remove their .cache folder ;)
 @Greg, Not sure what you mean here, but drivers come from Android, not Ubuntu. They tend to be binary blobs tied to the specific kernel versions shipped by the OEMs.
 @Flohack, Limit that advice to the app-specific directory would be best. Removing entire .cache will delete all libertine containers that might be defined by users.
 @wayneoutthere, Once you finish with our app, it lets you open with OpenStore (and that install it in the device)
 @dohbee, 😆 I would NEVER advise to delete the WHOLE cache. That said, .cache is a growing pile of smth... most apps do not clean up there properly. Eventually your space will be full (after years of usage)
 ahh @Flohack one question how to get the path to data , cache in qml
 many years perhaps, or by creating multiple libertine containers. or maybe by installing some bad app which stores very large data in .cache
 @delijati, Good question, no idea ^^
 @delijati, https://doc-snapshots.qt.io/qtifw-master/scripting-qdesktopservices.html
 @delijati, there is no file api in qml. You have to use a c++ plugin or from python if your using pyotherside
 storageLocation(DesktopServices.CacheLocation)
 @DanChapman, You can use JS to read file:/// URLs
 I think you should use QStandardPaths over QDesktopService nowadays http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qstandardpaths.html
 @dohbee, But that's just a hack as you have to use a XmlHttpRequest to get at the data. But you can't test that a file exists so you would be doing it blind
 @DanChapman, In QML it is still part of Qt Labs Platform, not part of the main API
 @DanChapman, You need to handle error conditions anyway, such as if it exists and is empty and your parsing then breaks
 @Flohack, work also closing and reopen app(more than one time)
 (Sticker, 512x433) https://irc.ubports.com/RxuCUrIU/file_2528
 main issue is there's no way to write to a local file
 @dohbee, Oh! nice. I didn't know that was in the labs modules 😊
 @cibersheep, quite cool. let me slowly go through this process and see what happens
 but you can use localstorage or u1db or something instead, for structured storage. but that's of course not good for storing binary data like audio/video
 @DanChapman, Since 5.8. Won't work on 5.7 or 5.5
 ack
 @wayneoutthere, It's the day that Patreon takes/distributes money
 oh cool. so my credit card gets hit for the team today! :)
 @UniversalSuperBox, As @shinyhairsmylifeambition stated, you receive a bigger portion of the donations with librepay... but is this the prefered way? Or you suggest to use patreon (or another)
 @malditobastardo @cibersheep New telegram beta build, plz test audio...
 @Flohack, Works!!
 😸😸
 Thanks boss!
 @malditobastardo, you are welcome. Also now all pictures are being loaded again hopefully
 whats still missing is profile pictures of supergroups and channels
 I am stuck with this ^^
 @Flohack, And the number of people in supergroups.
 @Cesar_Herrera, yeah but this is for me really an option 😆
 Can someone please post on UBport News Channel about the last COmmunity update? Thanks :)
 @cibersheep, so that is amazing!  i now have a full and app-like access to our company's CRM that i built a while back.  It works really well and i was shocked that it was able to create that app so quickly - and even with my skill level.  Amazing.  Great work!
 https://ubports.com/blog/community-updates-5/post/community-update-17-101
 hmm.  I think we have to work on our internal news-feed systems.  I'll announce this shortly officially.  I didn't know it was published ha
 FYI - anything like this I miss please PM me for now
 ok
 thanks
 even stuff that 'might' be news
 and thanks for letting me know! haha
 no problem :)
 so... I'm going over to Off Topic https://t.me/ubports_ot group with this but I was doing some thinking about this bothersome 'net neutrality' conversation and how UBports and other tech could be a solution.  Feel free to join over there but don't bother commenting here since it's 'quite' off topic :)
 @wayneoutthere, Thanks! It's a team work: @Jujuyeh and @mateosalta 💜
 @Flohack, Profile = when you click someone's miniature or name right ?
 @malditobastardo, not only that but also in the overview list
 you will encounter missing pictures from time to time
 @Flohack, Heck. I even get this in chromium for telegram, when my computer is under extreme load
 @dohbee, lol I say no more
 Hi! I have a problem with Ubuntu Touch. My E5 screen is broken, and to use the phone I adb into it. The problem is that I changed distro in my pc, and the phone doesn't accept the adb connection anymore. To make the connection work I should accept the new pc from the phone, but I can't with the broken screen. There's a way I can enter a shell in the phone somehow?
 Thanks for the hel
 *help
 if it's connected to your wifi, you can maybe do ssh phablet@<your phone's ip> to connect
 What is the broken part? LCD, touch or both?
 @TronFortyTwo, did you check the udev rules
 cat /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules
 if you changed distro, adb might stop working because of this
 @LarreaMikel, You're free to do whatever you want
 @LarreaMikel, I think both, but not sure...
 @dohbee, I'll try thanks
 well.. If the lcd is working, then you can see the screen... and you can try with a bluetooth mouse
 @UniversalSuperBox, I know, but it is just in case, in order to optimize the project income ..
 @LarreaMikel, I mean, the lcd is surely broken, the digitizer probably
 @Flohack, It's that in fact the problem
 @TronFortyTwo, I am just guessing. Had a user in German chat some minutes ago who could not flash UT. Same story
 The problem is within the phone :/, it refuse connection from my pc...
 @TronFortyTwo, How can it do that, adb was enabled before, so it must wor know too
 and if you connect a keyboard...
 and hit enter?
 Please follow these steps: https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/pull/51/files
 @Flohack, It's the authorization side. The PC adb I'd changed, so needs reauth
 @dohbee, uh damn!
 adb devices says what?
 @Flohack, I have followed that but still,: … The outputs are … tronfortytwo@debian:~$ adb shell … * daemon not running. starting it now on port 5037 * … * daemon started successfully * … error: device unauthorized. … This adb server's $ADB_VENDOR_KEYS is not set … Try 'adb kill-server' if that seems wrong. … Otherwise check for a confirmation dialog on your device. … tronfourtytwo@debian:~$ adb devices … List of devices atta
[16:51] <tgBot> unauthorized
 excasctly
 now you need the adb key from the old PC is that possible?
 @LarreaMikel, Does the authorization pop up react to 'enter' from the keyboard? Could be a good way
 @Flohack, Where is it located the adb key? 😊
 Yay! Thanks @flohack! I found the key, replaced it and now it works like a charm!
 I have my headless UT phone back :D
 @cibersheep, 😁
 @TronFortyTwo, good ^^
 I’ve noticed a few issues with the E4.5 lately and I’m wondering if it’s worth reporting bugs or should I be looking into a newer device? Issues include; 1) WiFi drops off - need to turn on and off flight mode to get it back; 2) Characters delayed when typing; 3) Screensaver often doesn’t turn on causing battery to drain fast.
 @Flohack I have the problem with Telegram another time. I have only 2.2Gb of free memory and I think this could be not enought amount.
 @Cesar_Herrera, you mean locally?
 on the file system?
 When I use the conf app.
 @jarlathreidy, By "screensaver doesn't turn on" I presume you mean either the screen doesn't blank, or when it does, it doesn't go to deep sleep?
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/AkOj2GiX/file_2530.jpg
 Yeah, normally the display powers off but not in this case
 so the screen just stays on with visible UI elements and everything?
[18:11] <tgBot> Roy was added by: Roy
 Hello Roy and welcome! I'm part of the UBports welcoming team. … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 Also, you might be repelled by the amount of messages going through our groups at times, but still interested to stay up to date about our project. In this case, lucky you, there's a brand new News Channel! @ubports_news
 @peternerlich, Thanks @peternerlich .  Good news is that we have now hit about 15% of the group who have subscribed to the news channel.  I'm not sure why the remaining 85% haven't.  They must be crazy like us and read every single message!
 @Flohack te most important issue that I see is the videos cannot be downloaded... Or I pick in some list item this react to other place... Never happens something like that
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, From last version the telegram client I mean
 @wayneoutthere, Pin this message
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, send me an example plz
 When I pick in you mensagge
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/zKZvNPIJ/file_2533.jpg
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/cDhd8X72/file_2534.jpg
 Please try latest 2.5.1 again from GH, should be fixed already
 oky
 Yeah!! All work well again! nice download icon for videos! :)
 @Flohack if I tap the photo miniature TG just freezes itself and crash
 *several times
 @malditobastardo, which foto? a thumbnail or a real foto
 send me plz ^^
 your TG profile pic for example
 2sec I am trying something
 hmm now If I tap it opens the doc viewer
 I tried another profile pic, was ok
 I dont understand. If I tap any pic now it just doesnt do anything.
 I cannot open your profile window to add you or send you a private message for example
 because nothing happens
 Ok its not implemented yet. For some reason I thought you could get info from the participants by clicking the pic just with other TG apps/desktop
 @malditobastardo, it was some releases ago, now the idea is to re-implement that feature but in the swipe from right afaik
 @Michele, hmmm maybe thats why I am getting so confused. It was before then. I remember
 As you said, from swiping from the right there were an "I" information button maybe?
 Maybe I am dreaming
 @Michele, whomever is working on it, please don't implement features as only usable (and consequently, undiscoverable) with swipes and such.
 @malditobastardo, I was on sticker packs only AFAIK
 @dohbee, swipe and gestures are frequently on Ubuntu Touch...
 @Flohack, Ok sorry, I am just messing things around. Thank you for clarifyin Flo
 @Michele, yes. but things that are only usable with swipes make it impossible to use the apps on PCs
 you can drag with mouse 😆
 @Flohack, 😂
 (Sticker, 336x512) https://irc.ubports.com/MRDFg10X/file_2535
 @DanChapman, Believe me. Its how I debug Telegram
 but to be serious, you can add various actions to QML stuff, so it can support mouse and desktop
 think about right click
 In dekko I added the swipe actions to the right click context menu
 @dohbee, Clicking on a avatar should bring up its details yes. But I cannot tell you when that died, I normally add new contacts on desktop only
 Besides that, I remember that adding contacts on UT was only working for ppl from the address book. But I could be wrong
 @malditobastardo, I think that never worked, and my fellow co-author thinks this, too ;)
 Please open a ticket for that
 it is interesting that punch code login only allows 4 digit pin. is the punch code a separate app or part of graphical session manager like lightdm is on desktop?
 afaik it's part of lightdm.
 @Flohack, 😸😸
 i dont feel 4 gigits are safe considering that also ssh uses it. only 10000 possibilities by brute forcr. sure ssh is key only authentication, not allowing password login but i still feel it is exceptionally weak.
 then use password login 😉
 i would like it to allow 8 or 10 digits
 @DanChapman, i am
 its just inconvenient to unlock phone with it
 but i agree it would be nice to allow a longer pin
 feeling like 2 extremes
 @DanChapman, It's a bunch of different parts. lightdm is a very minor part of it
 @dohbee, do you know if its modular? ie is it possible to only add custom loginmmechanism to it without rebuilding lightdm?
 and it's not part of lightdm exactly. the "lightdm" part is actually part of unity8
 kind of like pam modules?
 the code for setting the PIN is in ubuntu-system-settings
 i think it's just setting the password to the PIN, and not using a special pam module
 @dohbee, well thisnis awesome specific answere thank you, would you also know where the source for that is? i would look into it
 hv a bit timw now
 i forget which plug-in it is, but should be obvious when you look at the source tree for system-settings
 i'm not sure if unity8 will need any change to lengthen the PIN on lock screen entry, but if so it might just be a simple QML change
 @dohbee, ah ok. Thanks for the clarification 😊
 @dohbee, would be great if that was the case
 if it was in deed you should be able to find qml plain text on the phone itself?
 iirc, there's a signal handler in the qml that just tries to log in when the length == 4, when PIN is used
 @TronFortyTwo, Is IT possibile you have to Enable ssh connection from mobile? I mean using android-gadget-tools enable ssh
 yes, the qml is under /usr/share/unity8/qml iirc
 @dohbee, thank you!
 i see that straightforward change from ==4 to ==N would be still a bit stiff, ideally there should be a range, say 4-8 (maybe 10)
 that would require additional button for user to confirm
 there's a button already i think. or well, there's the "enter" key on the OSK.
 so just getting rid of the autocomplete would probably be ok
 Would it not also require changes to the setup wizard and system-settings. IIRC it only accepts 4 digits
 system-settings yes
 @DanChapman, the iirc part what is it exactly?
 i think setup wizard is just embedding the system-settings bit. but don't recall entirely
 the dependency tree for unity8 is kind of weird. like an oroborus
 and also if i wanted to makenmy own login plugin with a dot jointer code, does the design accomodate adding something extra without having to change other stuff around? ie if the join dotter was used to decrypt actuall passwors and feeding it to thw regular password input...
 you mean a dot pattern like android?
 no, that would not be simple to do at all really
 i'm not sure there's any way to request what types of authentication are supported for a user, from pam, either. the way the PIN vs password stuff works now is a bit of a hack
 yes exactly like that. i can implement the standalone module but would not know how to incorporate it.
 preferably with some lower level api, a bit like pam does
 well you would have to write a pam module for sure (assuming there isn't one already)
 if the login screen could call up my module as a separate window full screen, and my window would return callback with password or token or whatever
 but there's no sane way to know which UI to present to the user
 ok, sad but i guess i will not bw taking that road then. so perhaps just a qml change to make ==4 into ==10 wouldnsuffice? i just assume that if user punches up the maximum it just uses it other wise he can proceed with a shorter one
 well, no. you need to change system-settings at least too, and fix it to allow you to set the pin to that. (though i suppose you could probably cheat and just use passwd on cli to do it for yourself)
 in which case, just changing the qml once you find it, should theoretically be enough
 if you want something that can be shipped in ubports, it'll need a fair bit more work than that though
 @dohbee, Correct.
 @jarlathreidy, It sounds like you installed something that can keep the screen on, and you have it running, then. Check the screen timeout setting in system settings too
 I have installed a few apps from the open store actually, I’ll try uninstalling them. The settings are correct and most (at least half) of the time the screen does what it should.
 But I thought everything was suspended when another app was in focus. This has happened with the dialler in the foreground.
 dialer doesn't keep the screen on (unless someone changed that recently)
 well, there's a hack allowed for some apps where they can keep the screen on
 Okay, I’ll try out your suggestions. Thanks Rodney.
 so close all the apps and see if it'll power off the screen
 if it still doesn't, open up a terminal or adb/ssh in, and see what's going on with top and ps perhaps
 also, disabling twitter/gmail/etc notifications will also greatly improve battery life
 if something is screwy with wifi, that can easily kill battery too
 Oh, nice - I’ll disable notifications too. I don’t like them anyway (on any platform, not just UT).
 Screen powers off now. If it happens again I’ll look at running apps and maybe top/adb.
 wouldn't be so bad if there was more reasonable push support, but accounts-polld (twitter/gmail notifications) definitely hurts battery life
 ok cool. you probably installed something that keeps the screen on and had it running
 ie, like unav
 Usually I have the same apps running; dekko, browser, podbird, dialler, music, twitter, G+, Calendar and Facebook Basic.
 Must be one of those
 Oh, and Telegram.
 The E4.5 was such a contradiction. It was the least powerful device and yet it was best supported (had fewest issues/bugs). It’s not as reliable under UBP though.
 Maybe the ‘champion’ device is different now.
 well i don't know if dekko in open store does the "stay alive" thing, but it might. not sure about podbird either. the rest shouldn't do that though
 no dekko doesn't
 @jarlathreidy, Well, i don't think it's the device that's the issue here, though i don't expect it is a primary concern for ubports.
 ie, this sounds more like there just being no review of apps on open store, so they can all pretty much do whatever
 If it was apps, I’d expect the problem on all devices. But my guess is most users aren’t experiencing this.
 or maybe they don't care, or don't keep the apps running when not in use, or just don't use the app that's causing the problem
 :)
 ie, i generally close apps on my phone that i'm not actively using, or pending usage while doing something else
 Even with just one app now since reboot (browser) typing URL is painful. Other apps seem okay though. I should check the bug tracker again actually.
 i've always found typing a url to be painful on a phone, regardless of the pefromance
 Well, that’s just expected. Waiting 2 - 3 seconds for each character to appear isn’t.
 I don’t see the browser here when I search https://github.com/ubports?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=&type=&language=
 right, that's a performance problem. i'd suggest checking top to see if anything is eating cpu or such. slow typing like that usually signals something else is wrong
 https://github.com/ubports/webbrowser-app
 but i doubt it's an issue in the browser
 The other apps don’t have this issue though. And within the browser doesn’t have it. It’s just the URL bar. Seems like a bug.
 ah, weird
 hmmm I wonder if the searching of the url suggestions is bogging down the event loop. That's the only thing i can think of that could be a cause for that
 it's doing url suggestions?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/CLzCMcEa/file_2537.png
 well search suggestions
 oh, since when?
 That could fit. The issue might’nt be noticeable on the newer devices.
 oh. hmm. can you disable that perhaps?
 it looks like it is doing an XMLHttpRequest for that, on the QML side, rather than in C++ in another thread, which would indeed likely slow down the event loop
 No, but I can clear the history.
 Ah, it’s fast again!
 Clearing the history helped, so Dan’s suggestion is more likely again.
 oh, so it's just history of things you searched for already?
 I *thought* the suggestions included history and bookmarks but I haven’t really been paying enough attention.
 yeah it must be doing a history search as well
 In order to use libertine is it still mandatory to install Desktop Apps Scope using the Canonical App Store or is it possible to install it via ssh, somehow?
 Yes, and bookmarks and google search suggestions.
 @G1ott1, if you have the .click package you can side-load it via terminal, yes
 is it not in the open store?
 @dohbee, Thanks. Do you possibly know where I can find it?
 you can build a click from the code at https://launchpad.net/libertine-scope too
 This looks like my wifi issue. He’s on ‘bacon’. I think E4.5 is macko? https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/219
 Should I add that to the report?
 e4.5 is krillin
 Mako is the Nexus 4
 Thanks Dalton
 I hate codenames
 Me too !
 would be nice if some more official person could perhaps upload https://uappexplorer.com/app/libertine-scope.ubuntu to the open store too
 @dohbee, OK, thanks.
 @dohbee, Yes indeed :-)
 Chuwi Hi10 pro (atom işlemcili) sadece linux yuklesem, arayüz için gerekli şeyleri kaldirir mı? Kasma sorunu falan yaşar mıyım?
 Sorry for that.