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TJ-lamefun: wouldn't make much sense to have Windows packages in the Linux archives00:02
donofriohow do I use apt-clone across arch's (clone was from x64 install and restore is hopefully going to be on 16.04.3 powerpc)00:05
TJ-donofrio: I'm not sure that's possible, especially if you make use of dpkg-repack00:07
donofrioI used apt-clone so far to create the gz output file just got done burning 16.04.3 powerpc dvd00:08
lamefunTJ-: to compile for Windows without having to boot it?00:10
donofriolamefun, try out wsl is works with visual studio or so they say....00:10
donofriooh missread that00:10
TJ-lamefun: I guess I was misunderstanding what you meant by not having packages; I thought the archive has the required cross-platform *build* tooling but not applications00:11
lamefunit looks like it only has gcc but not libraries (like SDL, Qt, etc.)00:13
PlainDaveI use Xubuntu, and I'm wondering if there's a way to find out what percentage of Ubuntu flavors' users use Xubuntu.00:23
TJ-PlainDave: there used to be a Popularity Contest application but I think it got dropped00:25
TJ-PlainDave: it was opt-in though and I think not many people used it, so the results weren't very useful00:25
PlainDaveah, okay. too bad. I was just curious.00:25
krytarikPlainDave: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/  might give a hint tho.00:54
lamefunIs there any PPA or something with MinGW extra packages? I tried to compile basic stuff like OpenSSL and zlib, full of bugs :(00:55
PlainDavekrytarik, cool. thanks.00:58
TJ-lamefun: there's a possibly useful guide here http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_cross_compilation_for_Windows01:03
lamefunI get this: -L/home/lamefun/Projects/tremulous/build/root/lib/libzlib.a -lz while building OpenSSL.01:04
lamefunld: cannot find -lz, because zlib CMake installs it as libzlib.a and not just libz.a, and zlib ./configure is not autotools so it needs extra manual work...01:05
TJ-lamefun: do you need libz-mingw-w64 ?01:05
lamefunalso openssl, libogg, libvorbis, SDL2, OpenAL, lua, libjpeg, libcurl and others01:07
kbr0nhello, good day. I've been playing around with Docker containers and I'm trying to make a container receive public ip via dhcp (just like a vm when in bridge mode), any ideas? I tried several methods but none work. (running ubuntu 16.04 lts)01:31
JoshuaDis the new firefox quantum available in 17.10's standard repos?  Kinda wanna give it a shot01:42
ibmr50eyes01:43
ibmr50every fast01:43
JoshuaDpackage name "firefox"?01:43
ibmr50ejust update it01:44
ibmr50ehomie01:44
ibmr50ejoshua01:44
JoshuaDcool, got it thnx01:45
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JoshuaDUbuntu 17.10. I opened compizConfig settings manager and found this screen: http://imgur.com/FCKJPrvl.png.  I clicked enable grid, but the key combinations indicated don't seem to work. What am I missing?02:01
JoshuaD`ps aux | grep compiz` doesn't show any compiz running, so maybe it's just not in use?02:03
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leftyfbok, for some reason my user cannot connect to the VPN I know works. It was working at one point, then I started testing an ansible playbook/role to setup the config. Now the user cannot connect to the profile even if I set it up manually. The VPN profile with the same settings works fine on another laptop and on the same laptop with a different user. Any idea what files/settings need to be wiped to resolve this?02:37
rofltechleftyfb: what's the error when that user tries to use it?02:40
masonHey all. I'm having an issue getting Gnome or Unity logins working with NFS /home, and I'm wondering if it's a known issue. ssh'ing in works fine. If I use an .xsession with xdm or choose the Openbox session under LightDM that's fine. But Unity and Gnome throw tons of errors in syslog and bail out with NFS home. Users with a non-NFS home, no such issue.02:54
masonThis is with brand new user accounts, so everything's being populated on first login. Is there an issue with named pipes or locking or some such silliness?02:54
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leftyfbrofltech: NetworkManager[1203]: nm-l2tp[13609] <warn>  Timeout trying to establish IPsec connection02:56
leftyfbNetworkManager[1203]: nm-l2tp[13609] <info>  Terminating ipsec script with PID 13675.02:56
leftyfbrofltech: nothing of any use02:56
masonrofltech: Hey, you're here too.02:57
rofltechmason: yes :)03:07
masonAw, I saw the highlight and thought someone had an answer for me. :P But... Nice to see you again. :)03:13
masonI'll go off and watch something with the wife, and maybe the question will have percolated a bit.03:14
k_sze[work]There's a Ubuntu machine that I want to hibernate and move to a different desk. I don't want to shut it down because it's in the middle of doing some very very time consuming processing.03:18
k_sze[work]However, I never configured it with a swap partition because I thought I'd always have enough RAM for my purposes.03:19
k_sze[work]I haven't thought about the need to hibernate.03:19
k_sze[work]The root partition uses up the entire SSD and I can't add a swap partition to it.03:20
k_sze[work]Now I wonder if I can use a USB 3 flash drive and put a swap partition on that.03:20
k_sze[work]And whether the computer *could* boot from a hibernation state from the USB flash drive.03:21
EriC^^k_sze[work]: swap file03:22
bigjazzsound1You could add a swap file03:22
k_sze[work]but doing hibernation with a swap file isn't supported, no?03:22
EriC^^sure it is03:22
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viktor01330hi all. if i install ubuntu 17.10, can i upgrade directly to the next LTS when it comes out? or will i have to go trough all the intermediate releases in between?03:26
k_sze[work]The machine is on 14.04, btw.03:26
JoshuaD@viktor01330, 18.04 is the next LTS, so you'll be able to go directly to it.03:33
JoshuaD@viktor01330, you should double check me, but I'm 99% sure that if you were on 16.10 and wanted to get to 18.04, you'd have to go through 17.04 and 17.10.03:34
viktor01330JoshuaD: going to install 17.10 now. i didn't realize that 18.04 was next in line anyway. and then is can change from intermediate to LTS, right? actually i just wanted to switch to gnome faster...03:39
JoshuaD@viktor01330 I believe so. You also could've done a `sudo apt-install ubuntu-gnome-desktop`03:44
JoshuaDapt list | grep <whatever> to find a package. I just did apt list | grep gnome to find that one.03:44
JoshuaD*sudo apt install ubuntu-gnome-desktop. Ignore the extra - in there03:44
k_sze[work]ffffff03:46
k_sze[work]the guide to enable hibernation with swapfile still requires a reboot to make it work.03:47
k_sze[work]which defeats the whole purpose of me trying to enable hibernation *now*.03:47
k_sze[work]If it requires reboot anyway, I'd rather do an offline resize of the root ext4 partition and add a real swap partition.03:49
* k_sze[work] facepalsm.03:49
viktor01330JoshuaD: okay. Yes, i could have, but not completely sure if that would cause issues in a future upgrade. also, i wanted to do a fresh install for other reasons as well. Thank you for your answer.03:55
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alkisgGood morning everyone :)06:19
lotuspsychjehey alkisg06:20
lotuspsychjemorning06:20
lotuspsychjesomeone know what that recent firefox locales update was for?06:23
ducassegood morning, alkisg :)06:42
alkisgo/06:43
acresearchpeople i am trying to use python to parse a website and i need lxml, i am not sure how to install it, pip3 install or sudo apt install?06:44
munskinghello, what would be the best way to mount a windows share in ubuntu? i'm currently using cifs but the mounts become unresponsive after some time (sometimes hours, sometimes days)07:12
lotuspsychje!samba | munsking07:12
ubottumunsking: Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/samba.html07:12
munskinglotuspsychje: yea that first link is what i'm using right now and that's what's causing problems.07:15
munskingand that second link is for doing it the other way around07:15
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ducassewhy can't people wait a bit for an answer?07:35
jycHi! I'm running 17.10 with Gnome and Wayland on a Precision 5520, and I'm having lots of problems with the cursor jumping around to the edges of the screen when I use the touchpad.07:55
jycAre there any good ways to fix this? There are a lot of threads online mentioning switching from synaptics to libinput, but 17.10 comes installed with libinput07:55
jycIt's definitely not a hardware problem because it doesn't occur in Windows on the same machine07:56
ducassejyc: have you tried if you see the same behavior in x11?08:08
jycducasse: haven't tried yet, I can try when I get back to the computer. is there something I might be able to do if it changes in x11? (aside from switching back)08:09
nrdbhi - my firefox isn't playing mp4 ... it just asks where to download them ... what do I do to fix this08:11
nrdbI am using ubuntu 17.1008:12
ducassejyc: not that i can think of. the big problem with wayland is that by design there are few/no config files, everything is left to the compositor to handle. so if the compositor doesn't have an option for what you need, you're out of luck...08:14
gordonjcpnrdb: might need ubuntu-restricted-extras?08:15
jlucducasse, how can we check use x11 instead of default ?08:15
gordonjcpnrdb: it's been years since I even saw an mp4 file ;-)08:15
jycducasse: yeah, it is pretty irritating :/08:16
nrdbgordonjcp, there is no such package08:17
jlucnrdb, go in about:preferences and change the default app  for mpeg-408:17
gordonjcpnrdb: probably not, any more08:17
JoeRWnrdb: Try entering "sudo apt install gstreamer" in terminal and install all packages/dependencies. Then restart. That should fix it. :)08:18
jluclol i use X11 i didnt know it08:23
ducassejluc: try 'loginctl show-session c2 -p Type'08:25
ducassejyc: especially since the gnome devs are so fond of removing customization options, but that's a rant for another place ;)08:26
nrdbJoeRW, I install "gstreamer1.0-plugin*" and that fixed it thanks08:30
JoeRWnrdb: Woot woot!08:30
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azureusgood morning09:05
azureushelp me please09:05
bazhangask first azureus09:08
azureusi installed ubuntu on acer es1-132 stirage emmc, but no bootable device09:09
azureusstorage*09:09
bazhangazureus, installed how09:10
azureusrefind09:10
azureusgrub not appear09:10
bazhangazureus, is this a mac09:10
azureusno linux09:10
azureusonly09:10
bazhangazureus, is the computer a mac09:10
azureusno09:10
bazhangazureus, why are you using refind09:11
azureuspc09:11
azureuswhy not boot, nor does grub appear09:12
bazhangazureus, why are you using refind09:13
azureusbecause it does not boot the system09:14
bazhangazureus, refind is not the typical tool to write to externa; boot items09:14
azureusso how do?09:15
bazhangazureus, did you follow some internet tutorial telling you to do that09:16
azureusyes09:16
azureusbut this command refind terminal bcfg boot dumo09:17
azureusnot appear hard drive09:17
azureusdump*09:17
azureushelp me please09:20
tatertotsazureus: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no09:20
azureusyes09:21
azureusbootable usb stick refind09:21
tatertotsazureus: open terminal (ctrl+alt+t)09:21
azureusyes09:21
tatertotsazureus: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit09:21
tatertotsazureus: are you on livecd/liveusb?09:22
azureusdownload09:22
azureusto create09:22
azureusand next09:23
azureus?09:23
tatertotsazureus: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit09:24
tatertotsazureus: share url/link here09:24
azureushttps://pastebin.com/SmgmvgRk09:24
zherlockHi all.. I am installing maas server on ubutnu Stretch. I get cannot ALTER TABLE "maasserver_vlan" because it has pending trigger events.. So postgresql complaint, are we talking a bug in some pacakge or that I need to clean out my postgre? Google search found nothing related to installing maas for this message.09:26
bazhangzherlock, stretch?09:26
zherlocky09:27
bazhangzherlock, thats debian09:27
zherlockwell, it is what debian release states on my ubuntu at least09:27
bazhang#debian is where to ask that zherlock09:28
zherlockI am on ubuntu..09:28
bazhangzherlock, where does it say stretch09:28
zherlockin etc/debian_release09:29
zherlockanyways, I guess that is not relevant then.. it states lsb_release = 16.04 LTS09:29
tatertotsazureus: sudo parted -l /dev/mmcblk0|pastebinit09:30
zherlockI am installing maas server on ubuntu 16.04 LTS. I have updated and upgraded all. When I try to --configure maas-region-controller (part of apt install maas) I get cannot ALTER TABLE "maasserver_vlan" because it has pending trigger events.. So postgresql complaint, are we talking a bug in some pacakge or that I need to clean out my postgre? Google search found nothing related to installing maas for this09:31
tatertotsazureus: share url/link here09:31
zherlockmessage.09:31
azureusyes09:31
azureusWarning: Not all of the available space for / dev / sda seems to be in use.09:32
azureusPrefer to fix the GPT to use the entire space (15234560 additional blocks) or09:32
azureuscontinue with the current configuration?09:32
tatertotscontinue09:32
azureuscommand09:33
azureus?09:33
tatertotsazureus: you're using LinuxMint 18.3 this is a "ubuntu" chat.....go to the LinuxMint chat09:34
bazhang!mintsupport | azureus09:35
ubottuazureus: The Ubuntu channels can only provide support for Ubuntu and its official flavors, since other distributions and derivatives have repository and software changes. So please use their dedicated support venues, for example: Linux Mint (#linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org), Kali Linux (#kali-linux), and LXLE (#lxle)09:35
azureusit's the same thing09:35
bazhangLinux Mint (#linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org),09:35
tatertotsno it's not09:35
bazhangazureus, it's not supported here09:35
azureusok09:36
azureusthank you09:36
bazhangazureus, we just gave you where it is09:36
azureusJ3linuxmint-help09:36
bazhangazureus, not this irc09:36
bazhangLinux Mint (#linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org),09:36
ShekharReddywhat are the different package managers available for ubuntu and how can i list all the packages installed through every package manager available on my machine09:51
Ben64install synaptic, go look at all the packages09:53
ShekharReddyis there a way to get the details of all those  packages  like: packagename, version, vendor, installed date etc,09:53
ShekharReddyi need this prigrammatically09:53
ShekharReddyany thoughts?09:53
Ben64for every package?09:54
ShekharReddyyeah for every package installed using it's on package manager09:54
Ben64dpkg -l, check the man page for apt-cache09:55
ShekharReddyokay BTW what are all the package managers avail for ubuntu09:55
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ShekharReddywell my requirement is to get the list of different packages installed in a ubuntu machine, but I found out that there could be multiple packages managers for a debian based system which ofcourse are the frontend for a dpkg pkgmanager(which is lowlevel as per the thread https://askubuntu.com/a/129/547366 ) ... now is there a way to get the list of al the packages installed in a debian based system... which i10:04
ShekharReddythink shoudl use dpkg as a low level package manager10:04
ShekharReddyKindly correct me if i am missing anything.10:05
ShekharReddyokay i got that here ..https://askubuntu.com/a/327376/547366 but if you have any better solution.. u are welcome10:08
jnorany cli utility for converting xml file to plain text format ?10:22
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BluesKajHiya folks11:35
Ricohello11:36
Ricois there a way to change keyboard layout when installing ubuntu ?11:36
kbr0nyes11:36
Ricomy only choice is "En"11:37
kbr0njust like windows11:37
Ricokbr0n:  I dont know windows11:37
Ricoonly linux11:37
kbr0nso just read the instructions11:37
kbr0nit will ask you for it11:37
ibmr50eit asks about it during installation11:38
ibmr50eyou blind??11:38
Ricono it does not, it justask for language, but it does not change keyboard layout11:38
kbr0nyes it does lol11:38
ibmr50eit does after or before language and even lets you test it11:38
Ricoso why does it write a q when typing on a key ?11:38
RicoI'm installing 16.0411:38
kbr0nyes, theres a field you can test all keys before continuing11:39
ibmr50eso you will change it later okay11:40
ibmr50eafter installation you can change it too11:40
ibmr50eits a convenience for people with not good eyesight like yours hehe11:40
adrian_1908Rico: Should look something like this: http://landoflinux.com/images/ubuntu_1604_lts_06.png11:40
adrian_1908But as has been said, you can change it after installation too.11:41
Ricoyes, but typing hidden passwords in qwerty on an azerty keyboard just sucks11:41
adrian_1908true, so either start over or pick a temporary password that doesn't conflict.11:42
Rico:(11:42
RicoI did not have this choice adrian_1908 (related to your png)11:43
adrian_1908Doesn't matter now, stop being a negative nancy and get on with it.11:43
Rico:D11:44
ibmr50eyou reminded me when one guy wanted to like a French pro CS:GO player and started using QZSD instead of WASD and was wondering how the pro is using it since its so comfortable hehe11:45
ibmr50ehttps://web.archive.org/web/20151126092938/https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/3u96ss/why_does_scream_use_qszd_movement/11:45
kbr0ndoes anyone understands bridging well? I'm trying to get a dock container to receive public ip addres but nothing works11:49
Ricokbr0n: yep, what do you need ? example ?11:52
kbr0nRico: hi, I'm trying to create another interface, say eth1, and get a public ip on it, via dhcp11:53
kbr0nRico: in the same range as the main host. the behaviour I'm trying to achieve is the same a Virtual Machine has in bridge mode, where it connects directly to he pysical interface and gets its own public ip11:54
kbr0nRico: I'm using docker containers, so the end goal is to have a docker container with public ip11:54
Ricoyou should create a bride interface and assign this interface to your VM, try this in your /etc/network/interfaces : http://fpaste.scsys.co.uk/56605411:55
Ricolunch time !11:56
kbr0nRico: I tried something like that, but maybe I'm doing something wrong. but ty11:56
NitrigaurHow can I disable/ remap the eject button of a wide Apple keyboard? My preference would be to map it to an action that opens a new terminal.11:58
NitrigaurUbuntu 16.04.3 ^11:59
EriC^^Nitrigaur: try "xev" in a terminal and get the keycode12:00
NitrigaurEriC^^, I get the following output:12:02
NitrigaurKeymapNotify event, serial 38, synthetic NO, window 0x0,12:02
Nitrigaur    keys:  1   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   012:02
Nitrigaur           0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   012:02
NitrigaurEriC^^, is the windowid that the manpage mentions the same as the pid?12:04
EriC^^Nitrigaur: https://askubuntu.com/questions/145589/how-to-change-the-functionality-of-keyboard-special-keys12:06
NitrigaurEriC^^, yes, that looks quite convenient, I hope the Eject button is amongst them and can be remapped in this way. I am searching for a method that works regardless of Desktop Environment. I frequently switch to Mate and i3.12:08
EriC^^Nitrigaur: you know the saying, everything is a file in linux12:10
NitrigaurEriC^^, aye, until systemd came along :-(12:11
EriC^^it might change some file somewhere12:11
NitrigaurEriC^^, I have remapped the Eject event under Unity to Ctr+ Alt + Shift + E It's quite unlikely that I hit that combo by mistake :-P12:12
EriC^^heh yeah :D12:13
NitrigaurEriC^^, thanks for the hints though :-)12:13
EriC^^no problem :)12:13
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iAmSlow hmm why i cant run magick but can run convert  , talking about imagmagick12:25
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gordonjcpiAmSlow: what happens when you try?12:27
BluesKajthe convert command links to imagemagick, iAmSlow12:27
iAmSlowseys comand not found if i do magick convert12:28
iAmSlowlike magick bas is not exposed12:28
gordonjcpiAmSlow: maybe that's not a command, then12:28
BluesKajright just use convert12:28
PCatineanhey guys12:34
PCatineanCan someone offer some help for my realtek usb wifi adapter12:34
PCatineanIn ubuntu 16.04, I can't seem to make it work12:34
PCatineanThis is the info in lsusb: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:a811 Realtek Semiconductor Corp.12:34
gordonjcpis there a way to get rid of the "swipe up" thing in the lock screen?12:36
l0llip0pPCatinean: I don't know how to help but you might get more information about your device: using the "lspci -vv |grep Realtek" comand12:39
ManningI'm trying to install a package that contains dependencies on a live ubuntu session (i.e., running from USB) using sudo dpkg -i <file.deb>. It tells me there's a few dependencies missing. Is there a way of getting the dependencies auto installed or do I have to do it by hand?12:51
akikManning: yes. run "sudo apt-get -f install"13:04
alkisgManning: sudo apt install package.deb, next time, doesn't give that dependencies error13:08
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tulphoonHi! I'm using Ubuntu 17.10. I have problem setting gateway for my wired connection to work. I've always used `sudo route add default gw IP enp2s0`, but right now it doesn't work.13:18
tulphoonI've downloaded net-tools, but it doesn't set the route for some reason, and using `ip route` or NetworkManager doesn't work as well.13:19
tulphoonAnyone could help?13:22
Fensterhey guys, would someone here be willing to help this noob install an early release of JDK?13:27
akiktulphoon: how about setting your static ip configuration in /etc/network/interfaces ?13:28
l0llip0pFenster: earlier? Do you mean old version or the newest?13:29
Fenstersorry... early release from oracle (Beta version I assume)13:30
BluesKajtulphoon, network manager should ne picking up your ethernet connecrion, run, ip link ls, to make sure you use the correct systemd ethernet name13:30
tulphoonakik: The problem is, I want to set the gateway on my laptop, my school's network forces traffic through their gateway, and setting it with route was ideal. Because after restarting or just suspending the laptop, the route was restarted.13:30
Fenstertrying to remedy an issue and it is suggested to try this newer version of JDK13:30
tulphoonBluesKaj: I'm using the correct systemd ethernet name.13:31
l0llip0pFenster: Have tried to find ppa?13:31
tulphoonakik: So I don't want that to be permanent.13:31
tulphoonakik: I've had Ubuntu 17.04 before and it was working correctly.13:31
Fensterl0llip0p, I think so.. I found some instructions about adding the PPA and that worked, but it still installed an older version13:32
Fensteris there a way to choose which early release to install from the PPA?13:33
l0llip0pFenster: To be honest. I don't know13:33
akiktulphoon: when you say it doesn't work, it doesn't get added to the route table?13:33
BluesKajtulphoon, so are you using NM or a static IP set in the interfaces file ?13:34
tulphoonakik: Correct. I remember, when running `sudo route add default gw 192.168.0.9 enp2s0` twice, it would say, that the File already exists.13:34
l0llip0pFenster: maybe you can try to find deb pakage of older version and try install that one? Thats the best adwise I can give to u :(13:34
tulphoonWhen it was working correctly, right now it just runs the command and doesn't return anything.13:34
l0llip0por snap13:34
tulphoonBluesKaj: I'm using NM i guess, I didn't set any static IP.13:35
akiktulphoon: usually when the command works, it doesn't return anything13:35
tulphoonakik: Yes, but when the entry was already there, it would return, that something is already set as default gateway.13:35
akiktulphoon: "route -n" shows you the routing table13:35
Fensteris there a way to see the packages offered from a repository?13:36
tulphoonakik: Checked that already: 192.168.0.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.252.0   U     100    0        0 enp2s013:36
tulphoonWhich isn't correct.13:36
akiktulphoon: i wouldn't try to use both network-manager and manual config at the same time13:36
l0llip0pFenster: well using apt: apt show pkg_name |grep Version13:38
akiktulphoon: unless you've set in network-manager not to touch routes13:39
alkisgtulphoon: network manager has an option to add your own routes, better use that one instead of manually typing commands13:39
BluesKajtulphoon, try, dhclient, in the terminal to see if the ethernet resets the connection13:39
alkisgEdit connection => edit routes, ignore automatic routes and add your own13:39
FensterIm guessing there is no apt-get for these pre-releases13:40
leagrisWhere can I get guidance for migrating ifcfg to netplan? My Ubuntu upgraded several times since 14.10 up to 17.10 and it still show network interface as eth0 it became quite a mess and networking no longer intialise properly13:42
leagrisI tried installing netplan package but it says it misses directory and configs in /etc/netplan13:43
tulphoonIs there a way to make a program use Wired Connection?13:44
tulphoonOkay, nvm.13:44
tulphoonHow can I reload the routing table?13:45
leagrisWhat is the proper path/process to migrate such an incrementally upgraded system to the new networking tools and systemd processes with netplan?13:45
tulphoonI've set the routes in NetworkManager right now, but they don't get added, maybe restarting the connection will help.13:45
BluesKajleagris,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Netplan13:47
alkisgtulphoon: yes, you need to click on the connection to activate it again13:47
alkisgtulphoon: you don't need to "disconnect"; just click on the connection again while it's already connected13:47
tulphoonOkay, it set something.13:47
BluesKajakik, I suspect he should setup static IP and DNS in resolved.conf and disable NM13:55
BluesKajstatic IP in the interfaces file13:56
leagriswell my network menu says it has unmanaged interfaces13:58
alkisgleagris: is this a server or a desktop installation?13:59
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leagrisit is a desktop with server-like install in that I assign it dual stack static configs13:59
leagrisstatis IPV4 and IPV614:00
alkisgEh, so just a desktop with 2 static IPs14:00
alkisgWhy not use network-manager then, and remove anything else like ifupdown settings14:00
leagrisyes, static IPs and local DNS resolver14:00
leagrisBecause I want the network to start and stay active before I enter a desktop session14:01
alkisgNetwork manager does that properly14:01
alkisgAs long as you check [x] this connection is for all users14:01
leagrisok, network-manager has icons on my desktop top bar14:01
leagrisit says it has eth0 and eth1 but they are greyed out as unmanaged14:02
BluesKajleagris, I tried netplan, but turns out it's not required if one installs ifupdown and configures the /etc/network/interfaces file and /etc/systemd/resolved,conf, but I'm prejudiced about NM :-)14:02
BluesKajDNS in /etc/systemd/resolved,conf14:03
alkisgleagris: simplify your /etc/network/interfaces leaving just auto there, and delete /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules14:03
alkisgleagris: this will make your system like a typical desktop, which is what it is14:03
* BluesKaj shrugs14:04
alkisgWell, that's what ubuntu defaults to14:04
alkisgNo point in suggesting things other than the defaults when there's no reason14:04
alkisgTypical /etc/network/interfaces: http://termbin.com/seml14:04
leagriswell does it risk breaking everything if I delete /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules that has hardware network devices declaration here?14:07
alkisgYou can just move it aside. It will rename your eth0 to enp1s0 or so, which is the default nowadays.14:07
alkisgWhen using the defaults, it's much easier to get and give support14:08
leagrisit is now a cluster of bugs14:13
leagriscan not restart networking14:13
alkisgIt's easier to reboot,when you change udev rules14:13
kbr0nI set up a macvlan interface, so now I have 2 public ips, now how can I tell the apps wich connection to use? (eth0 and eth1 )14:17
kbr0neg. I can ping -I eth0 or eth1 but how would that work for everything else?14:18
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MonsterKillerHey, wondered if someone could help. I've removed a key from ~/.ssh/authorized_keys but I am still able to log in with that key, so you have to restart sshd for it to take effect or something?14:33
MonsterKillerdo you*14:33
secniceworth a shot14:34
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azureusgood afternoon14:46
azureushelp me please14:47
azureusi cannt install refind on ubuntu14:47
leagristhank you alksig and BluesKaj, rebooted and it is pretty much ok. Still has resolv.conf not really good at startup but I will find my way now14:47
iHack13hi. I cant get past the login screen anymore. when I enter the user password it looks like it wants to login. goes black. and returns to password prompt. same happens when I want to login as guest14:47
BluesKajleagris, resolv.conf file is managed by /etc/systemd/resolved.conf now14:50
DolphinDreamhowdy14:51
DolphinDreammy UTC is wrong.. and i can't get my time to update correctly . UTC is reported by timedatectrl to be Sat 2 am when in fact is Fri 2 pm .. any ideas how to fix this ?14:51
DolphinDreamubuntu says ntpdate is obsolete and shoudl use ntp instead but i can't get it to work . should i use ntpdate instead anyway ?14:51
BluesKajDolphinDream,  this might apply http://freelinuxtutorials.com/quick-tips-and-tricks/quick-tip-change-timezone-in-linux-in-different-ways/14:56
dpb1hi all -- anyone know how to add file search into the gnome-shell search?15:01
rantic_workHi everyone, other than the weekly newsletter and obviously ... checking. Does Ubuntu have some kind of mailing list of new releases / critical information such as critical bugs etc?15:02
rantic_workIs this the correct place to go? https://lists.ubuntu.com/15:03
dpb1rantic_work: ubuntu-security-announce15:03
dpb1https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/ (specifically about security issues)15:03
leagrisBlueSkaj having a system incrementally updated since long, probably earlier than 14.10. Started using Ubuntu since 3.04 back in 2003 probably. Some updates did not go without lots of fixing, system had lot of customizations. Networking stuff was a big change. Package management I was used to the old apt-get... su much changes. A Miracle it still works now at 17.1015:04
BluesKajleagris, no clean installs, since 2003?15:06
rantic_workdpb1: Thanks15:06
leagrisclean install when I changed my PC in 200915:06
BluesKajthat's still a lot of yrs :-)15:07
leagrishad to go hoops to avoid unity because I could never get it work properly with Compiz E-Zoom and stayed with Gnome the whole time15:08
BluesKajleagris, I've been a KDE guy since '05 ...tried all the other 'buntu DEs, but always went back to kde15:11
gordonjcpI think I preferred Unity to the current Gnome desktop15:11
gordonjcpis there a way to get rid of that annoying "swipe up" thing when you go to unlock the screen?15:12
leagrisWell, Gnome2 was ok. Kde2 was also. Used it alot.15:12
leagrisAnd before that I was an afficionada of Windowmaker15:12
leagrisNever found again a desktop so beautiful and blazing fast responsive.15:13
gordonjcpI never really liked KDE15:13
gordonjcpeverything seemed to be such a faff in it15:14
gordonjcp"oh, you want to adjust your mouse tracking speed?  Sure, here's 47 different sliders that adjust all sorts of things"15:14
GreeleyThat's my favorite part about KDE is all the available customizations15:15
BluesKajleagris, does your pc have UEFI or BIOS? I'm just curious about what yr the change over took place15:15
leagrisgordonjcp I was educated to Linux back in 1998 with Suse. Back in the day. Everything including mouse setting had to be dealt with config files.15:15
BluesKajgordonjcp, faff ?15:15
gordonjcpleagris: nonsense15:16
leagrisMy PC has a standard bios15:16
BluesKajright15:16
gordonjcpleagris: mouse tracking speed was part of Gnome 1.4 at least15:16
gordonjcp*Gnome 1.4's config15:16
YounderI always prefered Gnome. gmome-mm is simply the best C++ windows interface ever.15:16
gordonjcpleagris: anyway, why are you talking about stuff from 20 years ago?15:17
gordonjcpleagris: if I wanted to use an OS from 20 years ago, I'd use Xenix15:17
gordonjcpleagris: or NeXTStep15:17
YounderQT requires a custom preprocessor for events.15:17
leagrisoh, just that it is hard to adapt when you are used to one way of stuffs for years15:17
leagrisI am getting old also. So thank you all for your help here.15:18
gordonjcpso is there a name for that annoying "swipe up" screen lock thing in 17.10?15:18
gordonjcpcan anyone give me a clue as to what it's even called, so I can try to work out how to get rid of it?15:19
YounderSo unity is going for good. So is that mag ubuntu-user. I get Linux mag these days15:19
YounderGnome is fine and I like systemd I guess I can live with it.15:20
gordonjcppeople actually buy computer magazines these days?15:20
masonHey all. I'm having an issue getting Gnome or Unity logins working with NFS /home, and I'm wondering if it's a known issue.  ssh'ing in works fine. If I use an .xsession with xdm or choose the Openbox session under LightDM that's fine. But Unity and Gnome throw tons of errors in syslog and bail out with NFS home.  Users with a non-NFS home, no such issue.  This is with brand new user accounts, so15:20
masoneverything's being populated on first login. Is there an issue with named pipes or locking or some such silliness?15:20
Youndergordonjcp, only 50 year old antiques like me.15:20
masonI miss Byte.15:21
gordonjcpYounder: you bloody children with your computer magazines15:22
YounderI liked DrJobbs journal15:25
Younderdobbs15:25
leagrisYounder welcome to the club of 50yo Ubuntu users :)15:27
masonAny of you dinosaurs use home on NFS with Gnome or Unity logins?15:28
masonI'm going to compare EL7 on my test box to see if it works there, but I'm surprised it is struggling so much on Xenial.15:28
YounderMy private cluster uses NFS the rest of the network Samba. And no not home. Though that is a common selection i chose shared.15:29
masonBut do you have Gnome or Unity sessions starting up with NFS home? That's what I'm seeing fail here.15:30
masonOpenbox session, starts fine on the same accounts.15:30
YounderMy cluster doen't run any windows software at all, just sinularity I kinda lightweight hadop15:31
masonNFS itself works fine in this case.15:31
Neo1hi! I've removed ubuntu from desktop and can't load in windows, am getting error no such partition, entering rescue mode..15:32
Neo1who know how to fix it any suggestions?15:32
masonNeo1: Were you dual-booting before?15:33
masonI assume...?15:33
Neo1I had removed it form laptop and helped this commands from windows command >bootrec /fixmbr, /fixboot, /rebuildbcd15:33
YounderSamba is the least problematic thing to set up and the tightest integated into the Ubuntu desktop. So I guess the question is do you really need NFS?15:33
masonYounder: Using SMB/CIFS seems alien when it's Unix on both sides. :P15:34
Neo1both on laptop and desctop, from laptop I succesfully removed, from desktop can't15:34
masonBut that's an interesting point.15:34
Neo1I want wholly to remove ubuntu from desktop15:34
masonNeo1: I'm afraid I don't know enough Windows to help, but you might get more knowledgeable help in #windows or something similar.15:35
Neo1I've already asked there and silence....15:36
masonNeo1: The other thing though is that if it's modern Windows, you're probably running UEFI, in which case you can probably choose the right .efi file from your BIOS interface.15:36
Neo1and on laptop now I see 3 windows, before I have only one15:36
Mathisennot true Neo1 said to restore windows bootloader15:36
Neo1on laptop I did also something wrong :)15:36
MathisenNeo1, you removed grub = you need to restore windows one15:36
Neo1and how I restore it?15:36
gordonjcpoh wow, there's an IRC channel for this Windows thing?15:37
masonUEFI makes all of this stuff way more straightforward FWIW.15:37
masongordonjcp: It's catching on, I hear.15:37
Neo1grub maybe not removed if it show his window15:37
gordonjcpmason: I've never tried it15:37
gordonjcpis it any good?15:37
gordonjcpwhat distro is it based on?15:37
masongordonjcp: Based on VMS if my history is accurate.15:37
gordonjcpmason: ...15:38
Neo1I see black screen where this:15:38
Neo1error: no such partition.15:38
Neo1Entering rescue mode...15:38
Neo1grub rescue>_15:38
gordonjcpmason: oooh-kay, that would be a blast from the past15:38
Neo1what I should enter here?15:38
masongordonjcp: I'm not even kidding there, you realize.15:38
gordonjcpmason: so it's not related to that thing that you used to run under MSDOS?15:38
gordonjcpmason: I never joke about VMS :-D15:39
masongordonjcp: Not since NT.15:39
MathisenNeo1, notthing as your grub settings where in your ubuntu install = there is no grub.cfg15:39
MathisenNeo1, pls read upp how it works15:39
masonAnyway, this notion of trying CIFS instead of NFS is interesting. Does CIFS do a better job supporting locks, named pipes, or whatever other weirdness might be causing things to bail?15:39
Neo1Mathisen: and how I can setup windows manager instead?15:40
MathisenNeo1, boot windows install media go to recovery and restore15:40
Neo1I can load windows command line15:40
gordonjcpmason: a lot of the stuff in ZFS that people enthuse about was stuff that was in VMS 30-odd years ago ;-)15:40
Neo1Mathisen: for desktop I don't have recovery points15:40
MathisenNeo1, recovery CMD15:41
alkisg(05:39:45 μμ) mason: Anyway, this notion of trying CIFS instead of NFS is interesting. Does CIFS do a better job supporting locks, named pipes, or whatever other weirdness might be causing things to bail? ==> I haven't read anything in the chatlogs above ^, but nfs is much more stable and supports many more things than cifs15:41
masongordonjcp: Eh? VMS did versioning but it wasn't CoW, was it?15:41
Neo1what is CMD?15:41
Mathisenpls read before asking more. im off15:41
gordonjcpmason: I think you *could* do CoW15:41
masonalkisg: The issue is that I've got home directories on NFS, and Gnome and Unity bail out with lots of failures.15:41
gordonjcpmason: it's been so long now since I even looked at VMS15:42
Neo1Mathisen: yes I can run CMD and what type there?15:42
_rumbler31so now there is also /etc/network/interfaces for configuring static ip or dhcp, but now there is also dhcpcd? are they related or two separate stacks?15:42
MathisenNeo1, that depends if you booting legacy or UEFI15:42
masongordonjcp: I guess OpenVMS is still a thing, under active development.15:42
gordonjcpmason: yeah15:42
alkisgmason: for home directories, the best order is: block based first (e.g. nbd or loop-mounted file-partition), nfs second, sshfs third, cifs last15:42
mason_rumbler31: dhcpcd is a tool that does configuration via DHCP, whereas interfaces is one of the ways to direct that configuration.15:43
Neo1how shall I determine it?15:43
alkisgmason: the block-based are the most stable, nfs and sshfs do have a few issues, yet cifs is much worse15:43
gordonjcpmason: I've been roped into looking after some very serious Solaris 8 kit, that does a Very Serious (public safety) job ;-)15:43
Neo1Mathisen: usual black windows CMD15:43
masonalkisg: ZFS-backed NFS here, and it'd be mildly painful to convert it to block, although yeah that'd almost certainly work.15:43
gordonjcpmason: when the Sun V890s it runs on get decommed, they're getting "disposed of" into the back of a certain engineer's Landrover ;-)15:43
masonalkisg: Actually, that's kind of a compelling idea. I'll explore it.15:44
masongordonjcp: Heh, nice.15:44
gordonjcpmason: the organisation I work for is worried about them being EOL and how reliable they're likely to be15:45
gordonjcpIt's old Sun kit15:45
gordonjcpit's built like a bomb shelter15:45
alkisgmason: in ltsp (netbooted clients software) we're using sshfs or nfs /home, it's rather stable. Never tried it over zfs though. And, it's rather unstable when combined with tmpfs to create cow.15:45
Neo1Mathisen: I have recovery USB where wholly written windows 10 from laptop, shall I recover windows from USB but it take a few hours and laptop has differ drivers?15:45
masonalkisg: The biggest account is some 400G of data so pulling it back and forth across the 'net will be slow to move it to block storage. (The NFS server's FreeBSD, so I don't think I'll have lots of luck setting up ext4 on it.)15:46
alkisgmason: block doesn't mean you transfer all of it. Only the needed sectors are transferred.15:47
masonalkisg: Sorry, was caught in scrollback. Are you logging into Unity on this NFS home, or just ssh'ing in and such?15:47
masonalkisg: No, but moving the stuff *onto* the block storage means I need the block storage set up with the local FS.15:47
alkisgLogging into unity or any other de successfully, except with some mostly unrelated glitches with kde15:47
alkisgmason: yes, either that, or it can be a partition on its own15:48
masonHrm. So, if it should work, I wonder what's not happening here. The client here is Xenial.15:48
masonThe account's homedir is NFS, but even starting with a completely empty homedir, both big graphical desktops slowly fail and then bail.15:48
alkisgWe do have a lot of xenial installations without issues15:48
masonhrm15:49
alkisgAre you using nfsv4 or v3?15:49
masonalkisg: v3 right now, but I can move to v4 if that's useful.15:50
alkisgNo, v3 works fine here15:50
alkisgHaven't tested v4 much15:50
masonAlso, FWIW, one of the amusing log messages: https://bpaste.net/show/b8a54af7065215:50
alkisgmason: that usually related to bad xorg, are you sure that's not an issue?15:50
alkisgE.g. if you switch from nfs to local or tmpfs, it works fine?15:51
masonalkisg: What's serving the NFS? I can swap in another server to test, in case it's something unique to FreeBSD or ZFS on the back end.15:51
alkisgUbuntu xenial as both the server and the client15:51
alkisgext415:51
masonalkisg: If I switch to local, it works fine. If I use, say, Openbox on the NFS, it logs me in and is happy.15:51
alkisgHrm. Sounds like issues with file locks then.15:52
masonI'll try that (ext4-backed, Ubuntu server) before I throw CentOS on the client to try that.15:52
masonYeah, or fifos or something funny.15:52
masonThanks for the ideas. I'll report back with some results later today - meetings in the way this monring.15:53
masonmorning even15:53
alkisgmason: btw, why unity? It's being abandoned, isn't it?15:53
* alkisg is using mate mostly15:53
masonalkisg: Just to test. It's my wife's desktop environment. She actually prefers Gnome, but they both fail the same way.15:53
alkisgOK, you could give sshfs a try too if you want15:53
_rumbler31mason: thank you.  /etc/network/interfaces on one system has a comment at the top that says that it is written to be used with dhcpdc and that static assignment should go in /etc/dhcpcd.conf, on another, /etc/network/interfaces has the static/dynamic assignments in it15:53
masonalkisg: But you've got Gnome and/or Unity running on this NFS? I'd imagine Mate would be more likely to thrive.15:53
alkisgA bit slower, but safer15:53
alkisgYes, people tested unity. I dont know about gnome in 16.04, I haven't heard about it15:54
mason_rumbler31: There are a bunch of ways to do it. I prefer explicating everything in /etc/network/interfaces, but I guess that's being deprecated at some point.15:54
alkisgmason: anyways, good luck :)15:54
masonalkisg: Alright, I'll try that too. Excellent ideas all.15:54
masonty15:54
alkisgnp15:54
BluesKajfor static ip the interfaces file requires ifupdown15:57
_BIGSHOT_will Ubuntu's latest LTS work superbly with 4K display 27" inch?15:58
_BIGSHOT_without any issues?15:59
RikemHello, I'm having a slight problem with a static route. Could any one give me some tips please?15:59
pavlosRikem: can you pastebin route -n16:01
Rikemhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/26089929/16:01
RikemI'm trying to reach the 172.16.0.0 network. However when I ping/access a device on that network it returns as the gateway address16:02
BluesKajRikem, do you have it setup in /etc/network/interfaces ?16:03
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RikemBluesKaj: I'm not making a persistent route yet, I've used the following command16:04
RikemBluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26089943/16:05
masonalkisg: Just FWIW, I didn't explicate NFSv3 from Ubuntu -> Ubuntu, so I got NFSv4 by default, and NFS home backed by ext4 worked. Going to try it on ZFS next, everything else the same.16:07
BluesKajRikem, need to know what you are trying to do, exactly , that looks like a second router/gateway on your network16:12
YounderZFS is just the same as NFS just suppurt for bigger disks. It is Lustre that is the big leap forwards.16:12
RikemBluesKaj: That is correct.16:13
YounderNFS is set up in /etc/fstab16:15
RikemBluesKaj: The 172.16.0.0 network is managed by that router on a separate VLAN. I want to access that network without having to change anything on the 192.168.20.0 network. I thought a route would be the correct way?16:15
YounderNot terribly difficult to do, but difficult to do well. Defaults pretty much suck and are insecure.16:16
YounderGot that Oreilly book on NFS and that helped me get some bearing. YMMV16:17
BluesKajhmm, I have no experience dealing with 2 routers Rikem, that would be a learning experience for me :-)16:17
RikemBluesKaj: Ok, thanks for your help. :)16:18
YounderSetting up Kerberos and LDAP and PAM to work in tune in a cluster was a challenge too.16:18
YounderBut we like that kind of thing.16:19
BluesKajRikem, sorry , not much help, maybe some else can jump in16:20
BluesKajsomeone that is16:20
YounderAre you setting up routers or setting up linux to be a router.16:20
Younder?16:20
nicomachusregardless of the answer to that question ^16:21
nicomachusit sounds like more of a question for ##networking than #ubuntu16:21
RikemYounder: I have SmallWall running on a box. This has a DHCP address from 192.168.20.1 and provides the 172 network to another switch16:22
YounderSorry I am listening ro Rachmaninoff 2 piano symphony which is rather intens so I may be A BIT DISTRACTED.16:22
RikemMy real question is what would you expect from the route I've setup? As when I ping something on the other network, is returns as the gateway16:22
klemaxMy archive link is broken for long time.16:22
nicomachusRikem: still sounds like a question for ##networking16:22
nicomachusklemax: what archive link? can you explain that a little more?16:23
Rikemnicomachus: Brilliant, thanks :)16:23
klemaxnicomachus: tr.archive.ubuntu.com16:23
nicomachuswell I'm no rachmanioff fanboy, but I try Rikem16:23
klemaxnicomachus: sources list.16:23
nicomachusklemax: can you paste the full output of 'sudo apt update' to a pastebin and link here?16:23
klemaxnicomachus: The network is not reacheable.16:24
YounderRikem, 192.168 is a private network thus not accessible outside te private net. Anyhow DHCP should be one of the simplest serves to set up. I would always blame the DNS, a knawrly and difficult son of a bitch.16:24
nicomachusYounder: language!16:24
RikemYounder: Thanks Younder, however I don't think I've explained myself very well.16:25
nicomachusklemax: ok, I'd still like to see the full output.16:25
Youndernicomachus, Have you ever set up DNS, f so you you would learn profanity. That was mild.16:25
klemaxnicomachus: if i changed it, would be problem?16:25
klemaxI mean in sources.list16:25
nicomachusYounder: I don't care, don't use it here.16:25
nicomachusklemax: I want to see the full output please.16:26
klemaxOk16:26
alkisgklemax: switch to the maijn mirror until tr.archive.ubuntu.com works again, but do file a bug report that it doesn't work16:26
alkisg*main16:26
alkisgping tr.archive.ubuntu.com doesn't work, it's just down16:26
klemaxYeah for 2 days its down.16:26
klemaxI cant get updates.16:27
alkisgIt's weird that I don't see it in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors16:27
klemaxOh really16:27
alkisgYes, tr.archive.ubuntu.com resolves to ftp.linux.org.tr. Of course both don't respond, but they're not in the list...16:27
klemaxI thought its the main repo for my country.16:27
alkisgIt is16:28
alkisgThey can switch tr.archive.ubuntu.com to point to another provider when needed16:28
alkisgSo file a bug so that they look after it16:28
klemaxHumm ok16:28
alkisgOn the other hand, linux.org.tr does work, it's just the ftp subdomain that doesn't...16:29
klemaxWeird.16:29
alkisgMaybe you could mail them too16:29
klemaxI will.16:29
alkisgGo to linux.org.tr, find where to mail them, and send them one16:29
YounderWhat I alway worder is where to set the IP macurading. I used /etc/rc.config16:29
_BIGSHOT_will Ubuntu's latest LTS work superbly with 4K display 27" inch?16:30
_BIGSHOT_without any issues?16:30
* alkisg used /etc/network/if-up.d, until ifupdown got deprecated...16:30
pavlosRikem: on the 192 net, can .1 and .43 ping each other?16:30
nicomachus_BIGSHOT_: sure.16:30
YounderIPTABLES is a fine interface I think one you wrap your head around it.16:31
YounderI should probaly recomment uft the uncomplicated firewall. Which has served me fine over te years.16:32
masonalkisg: So, here's something fancy. ZFS under Ubuntu, but NFSv4, login works. Now I need to see if it's an issue with extended attributes or the NFS protocol.16:32
alkisgklemax: here's how to report the issue in ubuntu: https://askubuntu.com/questions/335609/where-do-i-report-issues-with-official-archive-mirrors16:32
alkisgmason: maybe ubuntu has some patches or a newer kernel or something that solves the bugs you see with your other server16:33
Younderunlikely16:33
alkisgNFS had quite a few bugs in 4.x16:33
YounderMost of the bugs in nFS are configuration based. Don't use it in ways it doesn't expect.16:34
klemaxalkisg: ubuntu team can not see if these links are broken? So they could switch them to another one.16:34
masonalkisg: Well, the two obvious things: ZFS under FreeBSD doesn't support extended attributes, and FreeBSD was serving NFSv3. I'll have it serve NFSv4 as the next step. If it's an issue with extended attributes I'll have to move to a different NFS server or share a block device.16:34
alkisgYounder: that's really not true. Please check the nfs changelog.16:34
alkisgklemax: ask in #ubuntu-mirrors the exact same question, not here16:35
YounderAgain Oreillys book on setting up NFS is a lifesaver.16:35
alkisgYounder: right, and I'm sure it also solves bugs, great book16:35
alkisgIn general reading a book is the best way to solve bugs, instead of filing bug reports and sending patches16:35
nicomachuslol16:35
YounderNothing solves bugs you just work around them. I barely keep my head above water on my own system. But is you fare better let me know.16:36
_BIGSHOT_nicomachus, how can you be so "sure."?16:37
_BIGSHOT_have you tried it?16:37
alkisgNothing solves bugs, ouch, I guess the last 1000 I solved were hallucinations16:37
Ben64_BIGSHOT_: ubuntu doesn't care the size or resolution of your screen16:37
YounderBen64, It need above 800x400 which is fine for just about everything these days16:39
klemaxalkisg: I changed to archive.ubuntu.com. I am going to use it from now on.16:40
YounderIsn't that the default?16:40
alkisgklemax: you didn't report it to #ubuntu-mirrors yet :)16:40
alkisgklemax: finding a workaround is ok, but report to to solve the issue as well16:40
klemaxReported it to linux.org.tr16:41
alkisgFor example, it's possible that they could just switch tr.archive.ubuntu.com to another mirror temporarily16:41
YounderReporting has a tendency to get absolutely nothing done. But be my guest.16:41
alkisgYounder: I'm sure there are rules in the channel for NOT being counterproductive16:42
nicomachus_BIGSHOT_: I have an HTPC at home running 16.04 LTS displayed on a 55 inch 4k tv.16:42
YounderI am a pessimist, not counterproductive. So post the complaint. Then expect nothing to happen, like I do.16:42
nicomachusYounder: if you aren't here to help then please leave.16:43
BluesKajnicomachus, which gpu ?16:43
alkisgYounder: well as I said I got 1000+ bugs solved, so I guess I'm more optimist16:43
YounderI am quite often positively surprised though.16:43
nicomachusBluesKaj: Radeon HD645016:43
nicomachusi think16:43
alkisgklemax: great. They may not reply soon, because many of them are europeans and not working now, but they'll see it. :)16:44
nicomachusBluesKaj: HD 8450*16:44
YounderI am European.16:44
klemaxAlkisg: Ok. I am sure they will fix it as soon as possible. Thanks for your help.16:45
alkisgnp16:45
alkisgRegards from Greece ;)16:45
klemax:)16:46
klemaxI was in Atina last month.16:47
BluesKajnicomachus, does that gpu do 4k resolution?16:49
nicomachusBluesKaj: idk about true 4k, but my 4k videos play just fine.16:49
BluesKajright16:50
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qwxleadoes systemd override /etc/hosts? if yes, what to read/how to edit my hosts?17:12
akikqwxlea: you can add entries to /etc/hosts17:17
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Nomad81Hi. When I grab a window and move it about, specially to the bottom of the screen in a fast motion, I get flickering in Launcher/panel and/or they dissapear completelly, untill I click somewhere on the desktop. On ubuntu 17.04 with intel graphics. Is there any cure ?17:21
Nomad81Sounds VERY similar to this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/128397917:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1283979 in unity (Ubuntu) "moving windows causes the top bar and the launcher bar to flicker" [Medium,Confirmed]17:21
yuriescl_hi, I have Ubuntu 14.04 with 4.4.0-96-generic i686  Kernel, and when I run "apt-get update", the "Reading package lists..." is very, very slow, any ideas?17:21
yuriescl_also, "ps aux" is showing 0.0 for all %MEM values17:22
qwxleaakik, thanks17:22
compdocyuriescl_, does it complete?17:24
yuriescl_compdoc, it takes 30min to get to 14%, I don't wanna wait 3 weeks for it to finish17:24
compdocwow. maybe a dns issue17:25
compdocyour hard drive isnt full?17:25
nicomachusyuriescl_: which archives?17:25
yuriescl_nicomachus, it's a server in Brazil and it's using br mirrors17:26
yuriescl_nicomachus, should I change to us mirrors?17:26
nicomachusyuriescl_: perhaps try switching to the main mirror and see if that makes a difference.17:26
yuriescl_nicomachus, changed to us mirrors, same problem17:30
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Reporting4BootyCan anyone tell me which kernel source corresponds to 4.13.0-6? I want to compile it on a different distro but there's only 4.13.1 and up on kernel.org17:37
masonalkisg: Final note here for now... FreeBSD service ZFS over NFSv4 works where over NFSv3 doesn't. I haven't tried comparing 3 vs 4 yet on the Linux server side.17:38
Reporting4Booty0-16*, typo there.17:38
nicomachusReporting4Booty: you may try one of the linux kernel channels.17:38
masons/service/serving/17:39
dynaflashAnyone know of anyway Nautilus can mount / browse nfs shares?17:40
BluesKaj0.17:41
BluesKaj.017:41
BluesKaj0.17:41
BluesKajoops17:41
PTNapivoski?17:42
dynaflash… or another gui app by chance?17:46
ducassedpb1: maybe gigolo17:52
CuChulaindHello ubuntu experts!17:54
CuChulaindI just picked up a new laptop, I did a clean install of windows 10, giving my self 500GB for Ubuntu. I have created a Live USB of 17.10. When I restart my system, and select try ubuntu, it simply hangs17:55
CuChulaindthe ubuntu logo appears, the red/white dots move a few times, then it simply hangs17:55
CuChulaindany ideas how to kickstart this puppy?17:55
CuChulaindI made the ISO in windows with Rufus, FWIW17:56
CuChulaindI can remake on my other machine (linux) if necessary17:56
superKillerhello. the right click on the touchpad of my laptop does not seem to work in ubuntu mate 17.10 . anybody know why ?17:58
l0llip0pCuChulaind: hi! Can you press shift button when the ubuntu starts? This should give you linux-kernels output17:58
CuChulaindl0llip0p, I attempted to do so to no avail18:00
timdotrbCuChulaind, meaning you didn't get any output?18:00
CuChulaindWhat I get from startup: hit f12, choose the USB, and then the next screen I get is the black screen with text, not a GUI as I woudl have expected FWIW18:01
CuChulaindletting it just go, it starts, then I see what I think is the disk check test (don't know it is super fine print)18:01
CuChulaindI pressed shift, nothing18:01
CuChulaindwhen the ubuutu logo came up (with the moving dots) I pressed shift again, nothing18:02
CuChulaindso no ouput from the shift key18:02
CuChulaindno changes in the process at all from what I could tell18:02
l0llip0pCuChulaind: 16.04 or 17.10?18:02
CuChulaind17.1018:02
CuChulaindI wanted to install with gnome vs 16.04 with unity then upgrade18:02
CuChulaindShall I try making the USB with unetbootin vs rufus18:03
l0llip0prufus is better18:03
CuChulaindah18:03
l0llip0pOfcourse you can whipe the partion with windows and try to install ubuntu again18:04
CuChulaindso remove Windows18:04
l0llip0pnooooo :D18:04
CuChulaindI have 4 other systems, all *nix was going to have an official win box fora  change :-)18:05
l0llip0pgo to windows -> whipe//format the ubuntu partion18:05
l0llip0pand try to install ubuntu once again?18:05
CuChulaindok, have it wipe any partition that ubuntu install had tried to make18:05
CuChulaindon the ssd, not the usb18:06
l0llip0palso it might be more secure to install 16.04 lts and the to upgrade to 17.10 ?18:06
CuChulaindI don't mind, just didn't want any unity artifacts if possible18:06
nicomachusidk l0llip0p, I'd say a fresh install of whatever version you want is best.18:07
nicomachusif you want 17.10, install 17.1018:07
l0llip0pnicomachus: if you think so :)18:07
CuChulaindFrom inside windows there does not appear to be another partition recognized18:12
CuChulaindJust the C drive18:12
CuChulaindand we all know there are other partitions by default18:12
CuChulaindbut none from the Ubunut install from what I can tell18:12
timdotrbIf you didn't create another partition, then there would just be blank space18:12
timdotrbIf you didn't ever get to a desktop, then Ubuntu didn't attempt an install18:13
l0llip0pCuChulaind: well Now I am confused18:13
l0llip0ptimdotrb: sounds convincing18:13
CuChulaindmakes sense18:13
CuChulaindso it's in the USB media then18:14
CuChulaindsince the BIOS sees the USB and begins booting from it18:14
timdotrbWhile booting, after you select USB and you get to the prompt where you can try ubuntu: press E and that should show you the boot parameters. Delete "quiet" and "splash"18:15
timdotrbThen try booting18:15
CuChulaindok18:15
CuChulaindperhaps this is bad media, plugging it into my existing ubunut laptop it didn't mount18:20
CuChulaindhowever another usb did just fine18:20
nicomachusis it usb 3.0?18:22
CuChulaind2.018:22
nicomachusis the port 3.0?18:22
nicomachusI've had issues with USB 3.0 on bootable drives.18:22
CuChulaindIt is18:22
nicomachusmay try it in a 2.0 port if you have one.18:22
CuChulaindperhaps that's it, my new machine is all USB3 my old does have a 2.018:22
CuChulaindWill do18:23
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kbr0nhello, I'm doing this: ip link add dev eth1 link eth0 type macvlan, then I bring eth1 up, do dhclient eth1 on it. I can see both eth0 and eth1 with ip address but only 1 works...what's wrong?18:42
trafaret1hi there18:43
kbr0n(works meaning, I can ping 8.8.8.8 from it)18:43
trafaret1I need your help. I relatively recently have migrated from windows to linux. I want to create web sites and I have installed separately apach2 mysql php and now I can't understand how to launch it. Is there tool for linux to know which software were installed?18:44
kbr0nls /usr/bin will give you some idea18:46
zuiss1hi i have to configure my computer with a static ip address, which i did. but it's still unable to access the internet. i gave it ip, subnet, gateway, and DNS using network-manager. what could be the issue?18:52
joe_alfhi, how do i add hotspot and share internet connection on ubuntu 16.04?18:53
camonzhi, I'm trying to setup x11vnc on a headless terminal, I set up a service to run x11vnc on startup, systemctl says the service is running but I can't find the port open when I run netstat -plutan as root19:03
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esselfewhat should I do if my Ubuntu installation is now read-only, having /etc/fstab specifying error=remount,ro and 'mount -vo remount-rw doesn't work? I just reboot to USB live-iso-image and run e2fsck? I was installing gentoo on sda7, Ubuntu is sda219:12
esselfe*remount-ro19:12
esselfe...or run a modifyied grub entry with 'rw single rescue'?19:13
esselfeit was was my sure-backup-os before I start installing gentoo for 2 days ^^19:14
EriC^^esselfe: boot recovery mode and fsck19:14
tanja84dkI'm sorry to ask I have some issue with forwarding with iptables19:15
esselfegreat, so fsck usually comes after 'e2fsck -v -C1 -f -p /dev/sda2' says it's wrong right? unless nothing happens19:15
EriC^^i ddnt understan19:16
esselfeyou know what, I'll put back the liveDVD image onto USB stick (4G) so I can check the FS... thanks19:16
EriC^^!ask | tanja84dk19:17
ubottutanja84dk: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience19:17
esselfetoday I selected the newly outcomed 13.0 -> 17.0 gento main profile switch and instructions are plunked....19:17
esselfeI'll just restart with everything new soon, nvm ^^19:17
tanja84dkEriC^^, I'm actually in the middle of writing the issue :) I just always start that  way by saying what the issue in general is about19:18
tanja84dkI'm trying to forward a port on my server where if a connection comes to tun2 port 10280 then it should forward it to 10.8.0.102 port 8019:19
tanja84dkand I have tried "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i tun2 -p tcp --dport 10280 -j  DNAT --to-destination 10.8.0.102:80" and also activated ipv4 routing in "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" but for some reason it wont let the connection get forwarded19:20
CuChulaindtimdotrb,\19:21
EriC^^tanja84dk: did you try with -j REDIRECT ?19:23
tanja84dkEriC^^, actually no tbh because I have totally forgotten that flag19:24
tanja84dk2 sec going to try19:24
EriC^^tanja84dk: i saw a post that said at the end to use "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE"  (with the command you posted earlier)19:25
tanja84dkI have also added iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o tun2 -j MASQUERADE19:26
EriC^^tanja84dk: try joining ##networking too19:27
EriC^^if nobody knows here19:27
tanja84dkthanks I will try that19:27
tanja84dkEriC^^, yeah the redirect flag are not allowed so I will try in a minute asking it in the other group but still thanks for the attempt19:29
EriC^^tanja84dk: no problem19:29
tanja84dkEriC^^, looks like iptables itself cant do it19:53
EriC^^oh wow19:53
esselfe...and e2fsck from live image said it's all ok ... ^^ now it's rw20:05
tanja84dkEriC^^, My bad it were actually a issue on the recieving server because its gateway arent the vpn network but uses the isp gateway ( its a cloud server ), so I were  informed now that if it recieve the trafic then it dont know what to do with it20:18
EriC^^oh ok20:18
FSFRSHi! Anyone here?20:19
tanja84dkEriC^^, So I have found a work around because its actually needed for ssh but I were just testing with port 80 so I knew I didnt fuck up my ssh port20:19
FSFRSI have a problem with the volume mixer alert, is duplicate when sccroll up/down, like this;20:20
FSFRShttp://i.imgur.com/8q0kwZl.png20:20
FSFRSany fix?20:20
tanja84dkEriC^^, and the work around for me will be a reverse ssh coonection to the server in the middle ( where the iptables rules were made ) because then there are a connection and it wont go on the public interface and then its just using a local port on the server in the middle20:22
ioriaFSFRS, it's not duplicate... different icons20:23
tanja84dkEriC^^, just need to find the package that  I know is able to do that20:23
FSFRSAgree, but I don't know why is duplicate (or different icons)20:23
FSFRSI want to try delete one of these20:25
tanja84dkEriC^^, going to do it with autossh ( actually learned about that program several years ago from a show I follow obn youtube )20:28
ioriaFSFRS,  check system-settings -> sound -> sound effects20:28
tanja84dk*obn=on20:28
FSFRSOk thanks ioria. Other configuration needed, disable check in sound boot, have duplicate entries in boot applications :D20:37
ioriaFSFRS,  good job20:37
mutantewhen you run dpkg -l and a package is status "pc", what's that, that seems unusual20:38
mutanteoh right, i need to look at the header and use dpkg -l without | grep20:38
mutantePurge but still has config files? hmm20:39
bjrohanStill having issues installing 17.10 dual boot on my xps 15 with ssd.  Pressing E during install gives:20:55
bjrohanset gfxpayload = keep20:55
bjrohanlinux /casper/vmlinux.efi20:55
bjrohanfile=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed20:55
bjrohanboot= casper quiet splash20:55
bjrohaninitrd /casper/initrd.1z20:56
bjrohanthen errors about USB cable, this is a USB 3.0 stick20:56
bjrohanhttps://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMTdRXCp4rlunvoUsQkwFlYutq9Ov_nNGkIuAgS20:56
bjrohanThis alreay has Windows 10 installed20:57
bjrohanwhen installing 10, I left 650GB free for this ubuntu install20:57
Bashing-om!md5sum | bjrohan Looks like issues with the installer:20:58
ubottubjrohan Looks like issues with the installer:: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM20:58
bjrohanBashing-om, I just verified the hashes, they match for ubuntu-17.10-desktop-amd64.iso21:08
bjrohanWhen attempting to install I do NOT get a splash screen, one I expect to have icons to try or install21:11
Bashing-om!nomodeset | bjrohan // Next shot in the dark . try::21:14
ubottubjrohan // Next shot in the dark . try::: A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter21:14
bjrohanI'd like it if I booted into a black screen vs errors?21:16
bjrohan:-)21:16
Bashing-ombjrohan: Understood :) .. boot up as per ^ with nomodeset replacing "quiet splash" see then what the system thinks from the boot messages .21:18
Bashing-ombjrohan: I too have to boot up 'nomodeset' with a new generation nvidia card ( 14.04 ) / 16.04 I must run with the proprietary driver .21:20
bjrohanBashing-om, the link you sent describes (so far) how to change items upon boot splash screen. I do not get that far21:21
bjrohanNo splash screen, oddly, only the type of text screen I expect on grub21:21
eriohello21:23
Bashing-ombjrohan: Is this a desktop ? As the server/mini have no GUI's - are we talking booting the installer of the installed system ?21:23
eriohow do I install RUST on UBUNTU 16.04 ?21:23
bjrohanYes, I downloaded the ubuntu 17.10 desktop21:23
alkisgBashing-om: he has uefi so he sees grub instead of syslinux21:23
gordonjcperio: rust as in the programming language?21:23
alkisgbjrohan: press e and put nomodeset there21:24
bjrohanI used rufus in windows to make a bootable USB, popped it in, on bootup hit f12 to select the USB21:24
alkisgbjrohan: replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset" where you see it21:24
erioyes21:25
eriogordonjcp21:25
eriorust the programming language21:25
bjrohanWell something a bit different. Pressing E this time brought up the splash screen I expected to try or install. For S&G I did try, then it gave me the same error messages. Will hit e sooner21:25
erionode is very easy to install, was expecting the same... And was surprised.... It isn't ?21:25
gordonjcperio: I think you can just install it with apt, if you're on 16.10 or newer21:26
kantlivelonganyone know why df shows disk size as 17TB with 20K used and 16TB free? its a 64bit ext4 fs21:26
kantlivelong/dev/mapper/backupdata-data   17T   20K   16T   1% /mnt/backupdata21:26
gordonjcperio: reading the rust website it sounds like you download something and pipe it into a shell, which sounds like an accident waiting to happen and does rather put me off the whole idea21:26
kantlivelongcant imagine 1TB in reserve21:26
kantlivelongthough lvs shows 16.37TB21:27
alkisgbjrohan: do you see a menu somewhat like this? https://i.stack.imgur.com/RP1EM.png21:27
eriogordonjcp21:27
erioyeah21:27
erioexactly21:27
erioI was wondering if there is a way of not do that21:27
eriogordonjcp, I really didn't want to pipe things in shell21:28
alkisgerio: isn't this rust, which is available in the repositories? https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=rust21:29
alkisgi.e. apt-get install rustc?21:29
gordonjcpalkisg: it doesn't appear to be in 16.0421:29
alkisghttps://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/rustc21:29
alkisgThat's 16.04 there21:29
erioyeah, was wondering if anyone has installed and tested21:29
gordonjcpalkisg: weird21:29
eriobecause it looks like an older version21:30
bjrohanalkisg, That is similar to what I was seeing, except it was tiny letters (4k screen), and said ubuntu 17.10, install, something about OEM. This time pressing e got the splash screen I went t ooptions and set the nomodeset21:30
eriowith nodejs you kind install the old21:30
gordonjcpalkisg: it wasn't showing up a few minutes ago21:30
erioit comes with npm21:30
erioand then npm updates nodejs to the newest21:30
gordonjcpalkisg: <slaps forehead> It wasn't showing up on the 14.04 machine I was sshed into21:30
gordonjcpI'll just shut up now21:30
alkisgbjrohan: when you press "e" you're supposed to get a small editor to edit the boot commands, not a splash screen...21:30
bjrohanit booted further, now an error that busybox v1.22.1 initramfs unable to find a medium containing a live file system . .21:30
erioI don't know if rust there is something like that to update later21:30
bjrohanalkisg, All I get is the splash now21:30
bjrohanwhen pressin e21:31
bjrohanwhen do I press e21:31
alkisggordonjcp: it's supposed to be available in 14.04 as well... /me shrugs21:31
alkisgbjrohan: just to make sure, can you select e.g. memtest?21:31
gordonjcpalkisg: probably in universe?21:32
alkisggordonjcp: https://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/rustc => yes, universe21:32
alkisg(10:55:18 μμ) bjrohan: set gfxpayload = keep ==> that's where you're supposed to put nomodeset, at that menu21:33
alkisgbjrohan: linux /casper/vmlinuz.efi file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper nomodeset21:34
bjrohanalkisg, there is a memtest I can do on the splash screen21:36
bjrohanalkisg, do that 1st? on the splash I can press F6 other options, and it looks like I can just enable them21:37
alkisgbjrohan: now it sounds like you switched from efi mode to legacy mode21:37
alkisgThe efi menu is this, and it doesn't have memtest: https://i.stack.imgur.com/jf7aV.jpg21:37
alkisgbjrohan: anyway, yes press f6 and enable nomodeset21:38
bjrohanalkisg, That is what I was seeing21:38
bjrohanok21:38
alkisgThe legacy BIOS menu is this: https://i.stack.imgur.com/X6dvz.png21:38
bjrohanalkisg, pressing F6 and enabling nomodeset is what got me to the busybox page / error21:38
bjrohanFWIW acpi=off on the F6 option21:39
bjrohanrunnng the ubuntu memtest now FWIW21:40
alkisgbjrohan: did you understand what you did and you are now booting in legacy bios mode with syslinux, instead of the previous uefi mode with grub?21:41
bjrohanalkisg, not really. What should I be booting in, I will try to change it in BIOS21:41
alkisgbjrohan: the same as you have in windows, I assume uefi21:42
Thyriaeni just installed minimal ubunutu 17.10 on my x1 carbon (2017) and shutting it down does not turn of the computer21:42
bjrohanalkisg, and secure boot on or off21:42
bjrohanalkisg, I changed NOTHING in bios, and now I am back to the 2nd screenshot you sent me21:42
alkisgbjrohan: temporarily switch it off, just in case21:42
bjrohanText saying Try Ubuntu, Install ubuntu, OEM etc21:43
alkisgbjrohan: grub says grub on top. Is this grub?21:43
bjrohanIt does say GRUB21:43
bjrohanversion 2.02~beta321:43
bjrohanWTH21:43
alkisgOK... then your pc supports both uefi and legacy, and somehow you switch between them, either ...randomly or with a boot loader menu like f1221:44
alkisgbjrohan: and if you press enter there, you get black screen?21:44
alkisgbjrohan: if so, try e and nomodeset21:44
bjrohanalkisg, I get the error messages in text, no solid black screen21:44
bjrohanI will try pressin e now21:44
alkisgWhat error messages?21:44
bjrohanalkisg, I get the one of like 12 lines that says something like bad USB cord21:45
alkisgbjrohan: can you try this stick in another pc?21:45
alkisgIf it boots there, it might be a drivers (modules) issue21:45
alkisgIf not, it might be a broken stick21:46
alkisg(e.g. badly created with rufus)21:46
Thyriaenthe my laptop does not fully turn off - it just gets stuck here : https://imgur.com/a/A9MH321:46
bjrohanalkisg, I pressed e at that grub menu, it now lists: try ubuntu: things about gfxpayload, boot = /casper quiet splash21:46
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bjrohanbut I am not seeing how to enter the nomodeset21:46
alkisgbjrohan: if it doesn't find the stick,nomodeset won't help21:46
bjrohanalkisg, I can't test on another machine for a couple of hours21:46
alkisgnomodeset would be to cure the black screen21:46
alkisgbjrohan: actually,21:47
alkisgdo you now have a busybox shell?21:47
bjrohanI can CTRL-C and get the grub Comman line21:47
bjrohangrub>21:47
alkisgNo, ignore grub for now, go to busybox21:47
bjrohanalkisg, how21:47
alkisgbjrohan: when you try to boot "normally", didn't you say it shows errors about the usb cord?21:47
alkisgAt that point, doesn't it give you a prompt like initramfs> ?21:48
bjrohanalkisg, yes21:48
bjrohanalkisg, it does not give me a prompt21:48
bjrohanlet me try I think it just hangs21:48
alkisgHrm. Can you upload a screenshot?21:48
bjrohanalkisg, https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMTdRXCp4rlunvoUsQkwFlYutq9Ov_nNGkIuAgS21:49
alkisgbjrohan: bad url, it says21:49
alkisg40421:49
bjrohanhttps://photos.app.goo.gl/zIFAU33xsSYT4vsc221:50
LelandoHello, I am using Ubuntu 16.04 and I am putting in place a patching strategy. Besides landscape, what is a commonly used approach to approving updates and pushing to nodes?21:50
bjrohanlemme try another USB port?21:50
Thyriaeni just installed minimal ubunutu 17.10 on my x1 carbon (2017) and shutting it down does not turn of the computer  - it just gets stuck here : https://imgur.com/a/A9MH3 any ideas ?21:51
alkisgSure, if that doesn't work then try noacpi (with e in grub again)21:51
alkisgThyriaen: try removing the tlp service, it's causing various issues21:52
alkisgOr disable it by editing /etc/default/tlp, TLP_ENABLE=021:52
bjrohanalkisg, I do have USB support enabled in the BIOS FWIW21:53
bjrohanalkisg, Boot list option in BIOS I have UEFI marked (vs legacy)21:54
Thyriaenalkisg, but i would like those advanced energy saving features - they increase battery time, no ?21:54
bjrohanalkisg, when I press f12 and get the menu I have 2 options Legacy boot (M.2 PCIe and the USB storage, as well as UEFI Boot: Sandisk Partition 121:55
bjrohanlooks like I can do either or?21:55
bjrohanBoot mode is set to UEFI Secure boot: off21:56
alkisgThyriaen: first, see if that solves the issue. Then, you'll know what to blame. Once you're in the position to say that "i want tlp but it blocks shutdown",file a bug report21:56
Thyriaenalkisg, good idea thanks - will try it21:57
alkisgbjrohan: yeah those are the 2 different options, although you seem to be having either a driver issue or a usb issue21:57
alkisgbjrohan: try noacpi, and also try in another pc or with a different method to create the stick, like dd21:57
alkisg!noacpi21:58
bjrohanalkisg, Just selectd the noacpi from the splash screen, got the ubunut logo with dots, then DESKTOP!!!21:58
bjrohanalkisg, Will try to proceed, if I do install anything I need to do special given these struggles21:59
alkisgbjrohan: it would be better NOT to install in legacy mode21:59
alkisgCheck if you have a vfat partition, the efi system partition22:00
alkisgThat would mean that your windows is in uefi mode22:00
alkisgSo, you'd need to install ubuntu in uefi mode too22:00
alkisgI.e. to put acpi=off in grub, not from the splash screen menu22:00
superherointjHello. Ubuntu 17.10 doesn't let me set BLACK as desktop background color.22:01
superherointjHow can I set black as desktop background color?22:01
bjrohanalkisg, when I made the USB in rufus I selected UEFI or Legacy I think, redo rufus with UEFI only?22:02
bjrohanalkisg, I do have 3 partitions from my windows install22:02
superherointjI did try using a tool called Tweaks.22:02
alkisgbjrohan: you don't need to redo the stick, just select the uefi mode while booting22:04
superherointjIt shouldn't be this hard to change a background color... this is so basic.22:04
alkisgbjrohan: time for me to go, so, remember, you need uefi and noacpi to boot it. Later on you can try with acpi_osi=Linux or something to get around the noacpi issue. /me waves22:05
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bjrohanalkisg, but I can't seem to get it to boot that way22:05
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ufsjcapseus fdpt22:07
ufsjcapvao td tomar no cu22:07
superherointjufsjcap, por que?22:07
ufsjcappor que sim q raiva22:08
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ufsjcapvoces ao fazem ada direito22:08
superherointjO que houve?22:08
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Lelandohello! I am looking for a common patching strategy, can anyone shed some light on how they do this in a server environment? I am testing as if I have production and sandbox servers in my lab22:13
mutanteLelando: using puppet22:16
Lelandomutante: I have Chef, what is the procedure you use in puppet?22:16
mutanteand then having role classes with something like "if $realm is labs, then use test values/names". or better, with Hiera22:16
Lelandomutante: do you have puppet run on an interval?22:17
mutanteso you could say in a puppet class, for example a parameter is the host_name and then you say it should get the value in Hiera, and you can have a different setting for labs and prod22:17
mutanteLelando: yea, cron, but randomized minute so it doesnt run on all at once22:17
mutante(some random minute within the next 30 minutes i think)22:18
Lelandomutante: how do you trigger the production updates?22:18
mutantewhat kind of updates22:18
Lelandomainly security im looking at22:18
mutantechanges to a config file? new package versions?22:19
Lelandofor example, id like unattended-upgrades to go like once a week in sandbox, and then every 2 weeks in prod. does that make sense?22:19
Lelandobut id like to trigger production at a specific time that I can watch to make sure no issues come up. im not sure if thats best practice?22:20
mutanteconfig file changes: change it in puppet repo, merge, run puppet or wait for it to run.  package upgrades:  manually, definitely not fully automatic in production, only automatic in labs22:20
mutanteyou don't want that surprise PHP upgrade in prod on the weekend.. be careful with unattended22:20
mutanteif you have lots of servers i would still do it manually just use something that lets me run commands on lot of servers at once, remote execution22:21
mutanteand then do them in groups22:21
Lelandopuppet is used for that too?22:21
mutanteLelando: for unattended upgrades? well, yea, it sets up the config for that, but only in labs22:22
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Lelandomutante: I mean for the remote execution in prod to do an update22:22
Lelandoonce lab tested22:23
mutanteLelando: no, for that there are tools like "dsh, salt, cumin"22:23
mutantelike "run command on many hosts at once via ssh or other"22:23
Lelandomutante: what do you use?22:23
Youndersalt stack is good22:23
mutantenowadays "cumin". it replaced salt for us22:23
YounderI am using ansible myself, but salt stck is supposed to scale better22:23
mutantehttps://doc.wikimedia.org/cumin/master/introduction.html22:24
YounderMy 'cluster' is a mere 10 Pi-2's so I don't care22:24
ghostboarderhi all, i know this will be a bit of a rhetorical question, but why the heck cant i just get through an install of LXLE? It always finds some creative spot in the process to stop dead22:24
mutantewith salt there were sometimes issues like you run a command on "*" but then some "minions" never reply and you can't be sure it really ran on ALL, and if you repeat it you get a different number of hosts22:25
ghostboarderin a VM, no issues. Boot from DVD on a laptop, gets all the way to "Creating User" (sometimes, not always), and then basically freezes22:25
Younderghostboarder, come one dude, that shit is ancient22:25
ghostboarderlol wut?22:25
ghostboarderi mean the ubuntu derived OS22:25
ghostboarderto be more specific22:26
Lelandomutante: to summarize, you run unattended-upgrades in sandbox environments every X minutes with puppet, in prod you run cumin to do any updates assuming no issues arise in sandbox?22:26
ghostboarderif you can provide any reason why i shouldnt use the latest rev (16) of it, from this year, i might add.....then im all ears. But its not ancient by any means22:28
ghostboarderim leaning over to installing Mint instead, this is just such a nightmare22:28
JoeRWghostboarder: I'm sorry, I'm now just looking at the chat. What's going on bud?22:29
JoeRWghostboarder: Why the "jumping ship" so to speak?22:29
JoeRWghostboarder: I mean, is there anything I can help you with to make your Ubuntu experience better?22:30
ghostboarderHI JoeRW: i am trying to install LXLE on a laptop22:30
ghostboarderand it has been just a terrible experience. It runs fine in a VM or live, but the install always crashes22:30
ghostboarderbut in a VM, its great.....low footprint and still gives me all the tools i need22:31
ghostboardersurprised this channel isnt hopping with all the users!22:31
JoeRWghostboarder: Have you tried reading this article: http://landoflinux.com/linux_install_lxle_1404.html22:33
JoeRWghostboarder: It seems to be pretty straight forward.22:33
ghostboarderJoeRW: it certainly seems to be.....but im my case for one reason or another it isnt22:34
melon_Hello, everyone! Can you watch this message?22:34
ghostboarderim installing on a fairly speedy laptop with an ssd, the install takes a long time (over an hour) and atm its hung at "Creating User", which it does every time22:34
ghostboarderdespite me having followed the admittedly simple instructions to a tee22:35
JoeRWWhich version of Ubuntu are you trying to install?22:35
ghostboarder16.04.3 LXLE22:35
JoeRWSorry, I meant have you already installed. *22:35
ghostboarderim installing directly from dvd22:35
Bashing-omghostboarder: A thought . acpu issues ? see if : http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html applies .22:35
Bashing-omacpi*22:36
ghostboarderit IS an amd-a10 cpu, cant see why that would be an issue22:36
JoeRWWhy not just save yourself the headache and install Lubuntu?22:37
JoeRWhttp://lubuntu.me/downloads/22:37
ghostboarderok, im not married to LXLE, but i loved the fact it is so lightweight22:39
JoeRWBy doing that, you'll be able to install the 17.10 version.22:39
JoeRWWell, if that's the case, I think Lubuntu 17.10 would be a nice complement for you then.22:40
mlabbe_Hello. I have a new install and it hangs on "fb: switching to noveaufb" from VESA VGA.  How do I disable noveaufb?22:40
mlabbe_I tried adding "nomodeset noveau.modeset=0" to my grub and running update-grub but it doesn't seem to have an effect22:41
mlabbe_I also tried GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nomodeset"22:41
mlabbe_I am runing LTS 1604 server22:41
ghostboarderok thanks for the help JoeR22:47
ghostboarderW22:47
ghostboarder:)22:47
JoeRWghostboarder:  No problem man!22:51
melon_22:52
sdellysseHi everyone, I just install a fresh copy of 17.10, my packages are up to date, but the ssh-agent isn't working23:13
Mathisensdellysse, define not working23:13
sdellysseI do `ssh-add`, it prompts me for my id_rsa passphrase, then says `Could not add identity "/home/shawn/.ssh/id_rsa": communication with agent failed`23:14
sdellyssewhen I run `env | grep -i ssh` I see the gnome-keyring-daemon var23:14
sdellysseenv  | grep -i ssh -> SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/run/user/1000/keyring/ssh23:15
sdellysseAll googling on this issues suggests that I uninstall gnome-keyring-daemon and run a barebones ssh-agent, but I'd rather not23:16
Mathisenhmm23:16
Mathisentry to run " ssh-agent /bin/sh  && ssh-add whatever "23:17
sdellysseOh I think I might have found out why23:17
sdellysseI'm using an ecdsa521 key23:17
sdellysseI also had a custom name for it (id_personal_ecdsa521) but renamed it to id_rsa for debugging purposes23:18
sdellysseit looks like gnome-keyring-daemon doesn't support these kinds of keys?23:19
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sdellysse@Mathisen, yup, turns out it's that23:31
sdellyssethe ECDSA algorithm type23:31
sdellyssethanks for attempting to help23:31
Richard_CavellHi everyone. I'm interested in playing with parted, to learn about partitioning, but I'm worried about borking my system.23:32
Richard_CavellIs there a way that I can play with it where I can be sure that I won't?23:32
MathisenRichard_Cavell, create a VM23:32
Richard_CavellYeah, that should be safe.23:33
Richard_CavellUbuntu-inside-Ubuntu perhaps?23:33
Mathisenif you like yeah, or why not try to new grounds when you are @ it with some other distro23:33
sdellysseRichard_Cavell: one thing that may be of usefulness is to use vm snapshotting23:36
sdellyssebefore you do any major changes, to keep from having to re-install the vm if you accidentally mess it up, just snapshot first23:36
sdellysseand you can rollback to it if you do mess up23:36
Richard_CavellHmmm. I'm not sure which channel to ask this on, but I'm going to need a lightweight distro to run inside (since my computer is 11 years old)23:37
sdellyssehow much ram do you have?23:37
MathisenRichard_Cavell, plenty to choose from, depends on how complex you want the install to be23:38
Richard_Cavellsdellysse: 3 gigs23:38
Richard_CavellMathisen: It's for the express purpose of playing with parted.23:39
sdellysseHmm, it's gonna be a bit tight on 3gb, but you should be able to run pretty much anything23:39
MathisenRichard_Cavell, well Knoppix,archlinux,puppy linuc,lubuntu,debian,pixel23:40
Mathisenthats a few all lightweight23:40
Mathisenhave fun23:40
sdellysseIf you wanna keep with Ubuntu-style distros, which I'm assuming if you're learning about partitioning you probably won't wanna learn something else at the same time, Xubuntu is a bit more lightweight but still feature filled23:40
Richard_CavellOkay I'm going to take a shot at installing one of these.  Thanks for the advice guys23:42
sdellysseGood luck!23:42
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