[00:02] <TJ-> lamefun: wouldn't make much sense to have Windows packages in the Linux archives
[00:05] <donofrio> how do I use apt-clone across arch's (clone was from x64 install and restore is hopefully going to be on 16.04.3 powerpc)
[00:07] <TJ-> donofrio: I'm not sure that's possible, especially if you make use of dpkg-repack
[00:08] <donofrio> I used apt-clone so far to create the gz output file just got done burning 16.04.3 powerpc dvd
[00:10] <lamefun> TJ-: to compile for Windows without having to boot it?
[00:10] <donofrio> lamefun, try out wsl is works with visual studio or so they say....
[00:10] <donofrio> oh missread that
[00:11] <TJ-> lamefun: I guess I was misunderstanding what you meant by not having packages; I thought the archive has the required cross-platform *build* tooling but not applications
[00:13] <lamefun> it looks like it only has gcc but not libraries (like SDL, Qt, etc.)
[00:23] <PlainDave> I use Xubuntu, and I'm wondering if there's a way to find out what percentage of Ubuntu flavors' users use Xubuntu.
[00:25] <TJ-> PlainDave: there used to be a Popularity Contest application but I think it got dropped
[00:25] <TJ-> PlainDave: it was opt-in though and I think not many people used it, so the results weren't very useful
[00:25] <PlainDave> ah, okay. too bad. I was just curious.
[00:54] <krytarik> PlainDave: http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/  might give a hint tho.
[00:55] <lamefun> Is there any PPA or something with MinGW extra packages? I tried to compile basic stuff like OpenSSL and zlib, full of bugs :(
[00:58] <PlainDave> krytarik, cool. thanks.
[01:03] <TJ-> lamefun: there's a possibly useful guide here http://retroshare.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_cross_compilation_for_Windows
[01:04] <lamefun> I get this: -L/home/lamefun/Projects/tremulous/build/root/lib/libzlib.a -lz while building OpenSSL.
[01:05] <lamefun> ld: cannot find -lz, because zlib CMake installs it as libzlib.a and not just libz.a, and zlib ./configure is not autotools so it needs extra manual work...
[01:05] <TJ-> lamefun: do you need libz-mingw-w64 ?
[01:07] <lamefun> also openssl, libogg, libvorbis, SDL2, OpenAL, lua, libjpeg, libcurl and others
[01:31] <kbr0n> hello, good day. I've been playing around with Docker containers and I'm trying to make a container receive public ip via dhcp (just like a vm when in bridge mode), any ideas? I tried several methods but none work. (running ubuntu 16.04 lts)
[01:42] <JoshuaD> is the new firefox quantum available in 17.10's standard repos?  Kinda wanna give it a shot
[01:43] <ibmr50e> yes
[01:43] <ibmr50e> very fast
[01:43] <JoshuaD> package name "firefox"?
[01:44] <ibmr50e> just update it
[01:44] <ibmr50e> homie
[01:44] <ibmr50e> joshua
[01:45] <JoshuaD> cool, got it thnx
[02:01] <JoshuaD> Ubuntu 17.10. I opened compizConfig settings manager and found this screen: http://imgur.com/FCKJPrvl.png.  I clicked enable grid, but the key combinations indicated don't seem to work. What am I missing?
[02:03] <JoshuaD> `ps aux | grep compiz` doesn't show any compiz running, so maybe it's just not in use?
[02:37] <leftyfb> ok, for some reason my user cannot connect to the VPN I know works. It was working at one point, then I started testing an ansible playbook/role to setup the config. Now the user cannot connect to the profile even if I set it up manually. The VPN profile with the same settings works fine on another laptop and on the same laptop with a different user. Any idea what files/settings need to be wiped to resolve this?
[02:40] <rofltech> leftyfb: what's the error when that user tries to use it?
[02:54] <mason> Hey all. I'm having an issue getting Gnome or Unity logins working with NFS /home, and I'm wondering if it's a known issue. ssh'ing in works fine. If I use an .xsession with xdm or choose the Openbox session under LightDM that's fine. But Unity and Gnome throw tons of errors in syslog and bail out with NFS home. Users with a non-NFS home, no such issue.
[02:54] <mason> This is with brand new user accounts, so everything's being populated on first login. Is there an issue with named pipes or locking or some such silliness?
[02:56] <leftyfb> rofltech: NetworkManager[1203]: nm-l2tp[13609] <warn>  Timeout trying to establish IPsec connection
[02:56] <leftyfb> NetworkManager[1203]: nm-l2tp[13609] <info>  Terminating ipsec script with PID 13675.
[02:56] <leftyfb> rofltech: nothing of any use
[02:57] <mason> rofltech: Hey, you're here too.
[03:07] <rofltech> mason: yes :)
[03:13] <mason> Aw, I saw the highlight and thought someone had an answer for me. :P But... Nice to see you again. :)
[03:14] <mason> I'll go off and watch something with the wife, and maybe the question will have percolated a bit.
[03:18] <k_sze[work]> There's a Ubuntu machine that I want to hibernate and move to a different desk. I don't want to shut it down because it's in the middle of doing some very very time consuming processing.
[03:19] <k_sze[work]> However, I never configured it with a swap partition because I thought I'd always have enough RAM for my purposes.
[03:19] <k_sze[work]> I haven't thought about the need to hibernate.
[03:20] <k_sze[work]> The root partition uses up the entire SSD and I can't add a swap partition to it.
[03:20] <k_sze[work]> Now I wonder if I can use a USB 3 flash drive and put a swap partition on that.
[03:21] <k_sze[work]> And whether the computer *could* boot from a hibernation state from the USB flash drive.
[03:22] <EriC^^> k_sze[work]: swap file
[03:22] <bigjazzsound1> You could add a swap file
[03:22] <k_sze[work]> but doing hibernation with a swap file isn't supported, no?
[03:22] <EriC^^> sure it is
[03:26] <viktor01330> hi all. if i install ubuntu 17.10, can i upgrade directly to the next LTS when it comes out? or will i have to go trough all the intermediate releases in between?
[03:26] <k_sze[work]> The machine is on 14.04, btw.
[03:33] <JoshuaD> @viktor01330, 18.04 is the next LTS, so you'll be able to go directly to it.
[03:34] <JoshuaD> @viktor01330, you should double check me, but I'm 99% sure that if you were on 16.10 and wanted to get to 18.04, you'd have to go through 17.04 and 17.10.
[03:39] <viktor01330> JoshuaD: going to install 17.10 now. i didn't realize that 18.04 was next in line anyway. and then is can change from intermediate to LTS, right? actually i just wanted to switch to gnome faster...
[03:44] <JoshuaD> @viktor01330 I believe so. You also could've done a `sudo apt-install ubuntu-gnome-desktop`
[03:44] <JoshuaD> apt list | grep <whatever> to find a package. I just did apt list | grep gnome to find that one.
[03:44] <JoshuaD> *sudo apt install ubuntu-gnome-desktop. Ignore the extra - in there
[03:46] <k_sze[work]> ffffff
[03:47] <k_sze[work]> the guide to enable hibernation with swapfile still requires a reboot to make it work.
[03:47] <k_sze[work]> which defeats the whole purpose of me trying to enable hibernation *now*.
[03:49] <k_sze[work]> If it requires reboot anyway, I'd rather do an offline resize of the root ext4 partition and add a real swap partition.
[03:49]  * k_sze[work] facepalsm.
[03:55] <viktor01330> JoshuaD: okay. Yes, i could have, but not completely sure if that would cause issues in a future upgrade. also, i wanted to do a fresh install for other reasons as well. Thank you for your answer.
[06:19] <alkisg> Good morning everyone :)
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> hey alkisg
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> morning
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> someone know what that recent firefox locales update was for?
[06:42] <ducasse> good morning, alkisg :)
[06:43] <alkisg> o/
[06:44] <acresearch> people i am trying to use python to parse a website and i need lxml, i am not sure how to install it, pip3 install or sudo apt install?
[07:12] <munsking> hello, what would be the best way to mount a windows share in ubuntu? i'm currently using cifs but the mounts become unresponsive after some time (sometimes hours, sometimes days)
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> !samba | munsking
[07:15] <munsking> lotuspsychje: yea that first link is what i'm using right now and that's what's causing problems.
[07:15] <munsking> and that second link is for doing it the other way around
[07:35] <ducasse> why can't people wait a bit for an answer?
[07:55] <jyc> Hi! I'm running 17.10 with Gnome and Wayland on a Precision 5520, and I'm having lots of problems with the cursor jumping around to the edges of the screen when I use the touchpad.
[07:55] <jyc> Are there any good ways to fix this? There are a lot of threads online mentioning switching from synaptics to libinput, but 17.10 comes installed with libinput
[07:56] <jyc> It's definitely not a hardware problem because it doesn't occur in Windows on the same machine
[08:08] <ducasse> jyc: have you tried if you see the same behavior in x11?
[08:09] <jyc> ducasse: haven't tried yet, I can try when I get back to the computer. is there something I might be able to do if it changes in x11? (aside from switching back)
[08:11] <nrdb> hi - my firefox isn't playing mp4 ... it just asks where to download them ... what do I do to fix this
[08:12] <nrdb> I am using ubuntu 17.10
[08:14] <ducasse> jyc: not that i can think of. the big problem with wayland is that by design there are few/no config files, everything is left to the compositor to handle. so if the compositor doesn't have an option for what you need, you're out of luck...
[08:15] <gordonjcp> nrdb: might need ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[08:15] <jluc> ducasse, how can we check use x11 instead of default ?
[08:15] <gordonjcp> nrdb: it's been years since I even saw an mp4 file ;-)
[08:16] <jyc> ducasse: yeah, it is pretty irritating :/
[08:17] <nrdb> gordonjcp, there is no such package
[08:17] <jluc> nrdb, go in about:preferences and change the default app  for mpeg-4
[08:17] <gordonjcp> nrdb: probably not, any more
[08:18] <JoeRW> nrdb: Try entering "sudo apt install gstreamer" in terminal and install all packages/dependencies. Then restart. That should fix it. :)
[08:23] <jluc> lol i use X11 i didnt know it
[08:25] <ducasse> jluc: try 'loginctl show-session c2 -p Type'
[08:26] <ducasse> jyc: especially since the gnome devs are so fond of removing customization options, but that's a rant for another place ;)
[08:30] <nrdb> JoeRW, I install "gstreamer1.0-plugin*" and that fixed it thanks
[08:30] <JoeRW> nrdb: Woot woot!
[09:05] <azureus> good morning
[09:05] <azureus> help me please
[09:08] <bazhang> ask first azureus
[09:09] <azureus> i installed ubuntu on acer es1-132 stirage emmc, but no bootable device
[09:09] <azureus> storage*
[09:10] <bazhang> azureus, installed how
[09:10] <azureus> refind
[09:10] <azureus> grub not appear
[09:10] <bazhang> azureus, is this a mac
[09:10] <azureus> no linux
[09:10] <azureus> only
[09:10] <bazhang> azureus, is the computer a mac
[09:10] <azureus> no
[09:11] <bazhang> azureus, why are you using refind
[09:11] <azureus> pc
[09:12] <azureus> why not boot, nor does grub appear
[09:13] <bazhang> azureus, why are you using refind
[09:14] <azureus> because it does not boot the system
[09:14] <bazhang> azureus, refind is not the typical tool to write to externa; boot items
[09:15] <azureus> so how do?
[09:16] <bazhang> azureus, did you follow some internet tutorial telling you to do that
[09:16] <azureus> yes
[09:17] <azureus> but this command refind terminal bcfg boot dumo
[09:17] <azureus> not appear hard drive
[09:17] <azureus> dump*
[09:20] <azureus> help me please
[09:20] <tatertots> azureus: are you chatting from the computer right now? yes or no
[09:21] <azureus> yes
[09:21] <azureus> bootable usb stick refind
[09:21] <tatertots> azureus: open terminal (ctrl+alt+t)
[09:21] <azureus> yes
[09:21] <tatertots> azureus: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit
[09:22] <tatertots> azureus: are you on livecd/liveusb?
[09:22] <azureus> download
[09:22] <azureus> to create
[09:23] <azureus> and next
[09:23] <azureus> ?
[09:24] <tatertots> azureus: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit
[09:24] <tatertots> azureus: share url/link here
[09:24] <azureus> https://pastebin.com/SmgmvgRk
[09:26] <zherlock> Hi all.. I am installing maas server on ubutnu Stretch. I get cannot ALTER TABLE "maasserver_vlan" because it has pending trigger events.. So postgresql complaint, are we talking a bug in some pacakge or that I need to clean out my postgre? Google search found nothing related to installing maas for this message.
[09:26] <bazhang> zherlock, stretch?
[09:27] <zherlock> y
[09:27] <bazhang> zherlock, thats debian
[09:27] <zherlock> well, it is what debian release states on my ubuntu at least
[09:28] <bazhang> #debian is where to ask that zherlock
[09:28] <zherlock> I am on ubuntu..
[09:28] <bazhang> zherlock, where does it say stretch
[09:29] <zherlock> in etc/debian_release
[09:29] <zherlock> anyways, I guess that is not relevant then.. it states lsb_release = 16.04 LTS
[09:30] <tatertots> azureus: sudo parted -l /dev/mmcblk0|pastebinit
[09:31] <zherlock> I am installing maas server on ubuntu 16.04 LTS. I have updated and upgraded all. When I try to --configure maas-region-controller (part of apt install maas) I get cannot ALTER TABLE "maasserver_vlan" because it has pending trigger events.. So postgresql complaint, are we talking a bug in some pacakge or that I need to clean out my postgre? Google search found nothing related to installing maas for this
[09:31] <tatertots> azureus: share url/link here
[09:31] <zherlock> message.
[09:31] <azureus> yes
[09:32] <azureus> Warning: Not all of the available space for / dev / sda seems to be in use.
[09:32] <azureus> Prefer to fix the GPT to use the entire space (15234560 additional blocks) or
[09:32] <azureus> continue with the current configuration?
[09:32] <tatertots> continue
[09:33] <azureus> command
[09:33] <azureus> ?
[09:34] <tatertots> azureus: you're using LinuxMint 18.3 this is a "ubuntu" chat.....go to the LinuxMint chat
[09:35] <bazhang> !mintsupport | azureus
[09:35] <azureus> it's the same thing
[09:35] <bazhang> Linux Mint (#linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org),
[09:35] <tatertots> no it's not
[09:35] <bazhang> azureus, it's not supported here
[09:36] <azureus> ok
[09:36] <azureus> thank you
[09:36] <bazhang> azureus, we just gave you where it is
[09:36] <azureus> J3linuxmint-help
[09:36] <bazhang> azureus, not this irc
[09:36] <bazhang> Linux Mint (#linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org),
[09:51] <ShekharReddy> what are the different package managers available for ubuntu and how can i list all the packages installed through every package manager available on my machine
[09:53] <Ben64> install synaptic, go look at all the packages
[09:53] <ShekharReddy> is there a way to get the details of all those  packages  like: packagename, version, vendor, installed date etc,
[09:53] <ShekharReddy> i need this prigrammatically
[09:53] <ShekharReddy> any thoughts?
[09:54] <Ben64> for every package?
[09:54] <ShekharReddy> yeah for every package installed using it's on package manager
[09:55] <Ben64> dpkg -l, check the man page for apt-cache
[09:55] <ShekharReddy> okay BTW what are all the package managers avail for ubuntu
[10:04] <ShekharReddy> well my requirement is to get the list of different packages installed in a ubuntu machine, but I found out that there could be multiple packages managers for a debian based system which ofcourse are the frontend for a dpkg pkgmanager(which is lowlevel as per the thread https://askubuntu.com/a/129/547366 ) ... now is there a way to get the list of al the packages installed in a debian based system... which i
[10:04] <ShekharReddy> think shoudl use dpkg as a low level package manager
[10:05] <ShekharReddy> Kindly correct me if i am missing anything.
[10:08] <ShekharReddy> okay i got that here ..https://askubuntu.com/a/327376/547366 but if you have any better solution.. u are welcome
[10:22] <jnor> any cli utility for converting xml file to plain text format ?
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Hiya folks
[11:36] <Rico> hello
[11:36] <Rico> is there a way to change keyboard layout when installing ubuntu ?
[11:36] <kbr0n> yes
[11:37] <Rico> my only choice is "En"
[11:37] <kbr0n> just like windows
[11:37] <Rico> kbr0n:  I dont know windows
[11:37] <Rico> only linux
[11:37] <kbr0n> so just read the instructions
[11:37] <kbr0n> it will ask you for it
[11:38] <ibmr50e> it asks about it during installation
[11:38] <ibmr50e> you blind??
[11:38] <Rico> no it does not, it justask for language, but it does not change keyboard layout
[11:38] <kbr0n> yes it does lol
[11:38] <ibmr50e> it does after or before language and even lets you test it
[11:38] <Rico> so why does it write a q when typing on a key ?
[11:38] <Rico> I'm installing 16.04
[11:39] <kbr0n> yes, theres a field you can test all keys before continuing
[11:40] <ibmr50e> so you will change it later okay
[11:40] <ibmr50e> after installation you can change it too
[11:40] <ibmr50e> its a convenience for people with not good eyesight like yours hehe
[11:40] <adrian_1908> Rico: Should look something like this: http://landoflinux.com/images/ubuntu_1604_lts_06.png
[11:41] <adrian_1908> But as has been said, you can change it after installation too.
[11:41] <Rico> yes, but typing hidden passwords in qwerty on an azerty keyboard just sucks
[11:42] <adrian_1908> true, so either start over or pick a temporary password that doesn't conflict.
[11:42] <Rico> :(
[11:43] <Rico> I did not have this choice adrian_1908 (related to your png)
[11:43] <adrian_1908> Doesn't matter now, stop being a negative nancy and get on with it.
[11:44] <Rico> :D
[11:45] <ibmr50e> you reminded me when one guy wanted to like a French pro CS:GO player and started using QZSD instead of WASD and was wondering how the pro is using it since its so comfortable hehe
[11:45] <ibmr50e> https://web.archive.org/web/20151126092938/https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/3u96ss/why_does_scream_use_qszd_movement/
[11:49] <kbr0n> does anyone understands bridging well? I'm trying to get a dock container to receive public ip addres but nothing works
[11:52] <Rico> kbr0n: yep, what do you need ? example ?
[11:53] <kbr0n> Rico: hi, I'm trying to create another interface, say eth1, and get a public ip on it, via dhcp
[11:54] <kbr0n> Rico: in the same range as the main host. the behaviour I'm trying to achieve is the same a Virtual Machine has in bridge mode, where it connects directly to he pysical interface and gets its own public ip
[11:54] <kbr0n> Rico: I'm using docker containers, so the end goal is to have a docker container with public ip
[11:55] <Rico> you should create a bride interface and assign this interface to your VM, try this in your /etc/network/interfaces : http://fpaste.scsys.co.uk/566054
[11:56] <Rico> lunch time !
[11:56] <kbr0n> Rico: I tried something like that, but maybe I'm doing something wrong. but ty
[11:58] <Nitrigaur> How can I disable/ remap the eject button of a wide Apple keyboard? My preference would be to map it to an action that opens a new terminal.
[11:59] <Nitrigaur> Ubuntu 16.04.3 ^
[12:00] <EriC^^> Nitrigaur: try "xev" in a terminal and get the keycode
[12:02] <Nitrigaur> EriC^^, I get the following output:
[12:02] <Nitrigaur> KeymapNotify event, serial 38, synthetic NO, window 0x0,
[12:02] <Nitrigaur>     keys:  1   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
[12:02] <Nitrigaur>            0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
[12:04] <Nitrigaur> EriC^^, is the windowid that the manpage mentions the same as the pid?
[12:06] <EriC^^> Nitrigaur: https://askubuntu.com/questions/145589/how-to-change-the-functionality-of-keyboard-special-keys
[12:08] <Nitrigaur> EriC^^, yes, that looks quite convenient, I hope the Eject button is amongst them and can be remapped in this way. I am searching for a method that works regardless of Desktop Environment. I frequently switch to Mate and i3.
[12:10] <EriC^^> Nitrigaur: you know the saying, everything is a file in linux
[12:11] <Nitrigaur> EriC^^, aye, until systemd came along :-(
[12:11] <EriC^^> it might change some file somewhere
[12:12] <Nitrigaur> EriC^^, I have remapped the Eject event under Unity to Ctr+ Alt + Shift + E It's quite unlikely that I hit that combo by mistake :-P
[12:13] <EriC^^> heh yeah :D
[12:13] <Nitrigaur> EriC^^, thanks for the hints though :-)
[12:13] <EriC^^> no problem :)
[12:25] <iAmSlow>  hmm why i cant run magick but can run convert  , talking about imagmagick
[12:27] <gordonjcp> iAmSlow: what happens when you try?
[12:27] <BluesKaj> the convert command links to imagemagick, iAmSlow
[12:28] <iAmSlow> seys comand not found if i do magick convert
[12:28] <iAmSlow> like magick bas is not exposed
[12:28] <gordonjcp> iAmSlow: maybe that's not a command, then
[12:28] <BluesKaj> right just use convert
[12:34] <PCatinean> hey guys
[12:34] <PCatinean> Can someone offer some help for my realtek usb wifi adapter
[12:34] <PCatinean> In ubuntu 16.04, I can't seem to make it work
[12:34] <PCatinean> This is the info in lsusb: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:a811 Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
[12:36] <gordonjcp> is there a way to get rid of the "swipe up" thing in the lock screen?
[12:39] <l0llip0p> PCatinean: I don't know how to help but you might get more information about your device: using the "lspci -vv |grep Realtek" comand
[12:51] <Manning> I'm trying to install a package that contains dependencies on a live ubuntu session (i.e., running from USB) using sudo dpkg -i <file.deb>. It tells me there's a few dependencies missing. Is there a way of getting the dependencies auto installed or do I have to do it by hand?
[13:04] <akik> Manning: yes. run "sudo apt-get -f install"
[13:08] <alkisg> Manning: sudo apt install package.deb, next time, doesn't give that dependencies error
[13:18] <tulphoon> Hi! I'm using Ubuntu 17.10. I have problem setting gateway for my wired connection to work. I've always used `sudo route add default gw IP enp2s0`, but right now it doesn't work.
[13:19] <tulphoon> I've downloaded net-tools, but it doesn't set the route for some reason, and using `ip route` or NetworkManager doesn't work as well.
[13:22] <tulphoon> Anyone could help?
[13:27] <Fenster> hey guys, would someone here be willing to help this noob install an early release of JDK?
[13:28] <akik> tulphoon: how about setting your static ip configuration in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[13:29] <l0llip0p> Fenster: earlier? Do you mean old version or the newest?
[13:30] <Fenster> sorry... early release from oracle (Beta version I assume)
[13:30] <BluesKaj> tulphoon, network manager should ne picking up your ethernet connecrion, run, ip link ls, to make sure you use the correct systemd ethernet name
[13:30] <tulphoon> akik: The problem is, I want to set the gateway on my laptop, my school's network forces traffic through their gateway, and setting it with route was ideal. Because after restarting or just suspending the laptop, the route was restarted.
[13:30] <Fenster> trying to remedy an issue and it is suggested to try this newer version of JDK
[13:31] <tulphoon> BluesKaj: I'm using the correct systemd ethernet name.
[13:31] <l0llip0p> Fenster: Have tried to find ppa?
[13:31] <tulphoon> akik: So I don't want that to be permanent.
[13:31] <tulphoon> akik: I've had Ubuntu 17.04 before and it was working correctly.
[13:32] <Fenster> l0llip0p, I think so.. I found some instructions about adding the PPA and that worked, but it still installed an older version
[13:33] <Fenster> is there a way to choose which early release to install from the PPA?
[13:33] <l0llip0p> Fenster: To be honest. I don't know
[13:33] <akik> tulphoon: when you say it doesn't work, it doesn't get added to the route table?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> tulphoon, so are you using NM or a static IP set in the interfaces file ?
[13:34] <tulphoon> akik: Correct. I remember, when running `sudo route add default gw 192.168.0.9 enp2s0` twice, it would say, that the File already exists.
[13:34] <l0llip0p> Fenster: maybe you can try to find deb pakage of older version and try install that one? Thats the best adwise I can give to u :(
[13:34] <tulphoon> When it was working correctly, right now it just runs the command and doesn't return anything.
[13:34] <l0llip0p> or snap
[13:35] <tulphoon> BluesKaj: I'm using NM i guess, I didn't set any static IP.
[13:35] <akik> tulphoon: usually when the command works, it doesn't return anything
[13:35] <tulphoon> akik: Yes, but when the entry was already there, it would return, that something is already set as default gateway.
[13:35] <akik> tulphoon: "route -n" shows you the routing table
[13:36] <Fenster> is there a way to see the packages offered from a repository?
[13:36] <tulphoon> akik: Checked that already: 192.168.0.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.252.0   U     100    0        0 enp2s0
[13:36] <tulphoon> Which isn't correct.
[13:36] <akik> tulphoon: i wouldn't try to use both network-manager and manual config at the same time
[13:38] <l0llip0p> Fenster: well using apt: apt show pkg_name |grep Version
[13:39] <akik> tulphoon: unless you've set in network-manager not to touch routes
[13:39] <alkisg> tulphoon: network manager has an option to add your own routes, better use that one instead of manually typing commands
[13:39] <BluesKaj> tulphoon, try, dhclient, in the terminal to see if the ethernet resets the connection
[13:39] <alkisg> Edit connection => edit routes, ignore automatic routes and add your own
[13:40] <Fenster> Im guessing there is no apt-get for these pre-releases
[13:42] <leagris> Where can I get guidance for migrating ifcfg to netplan? My Ubuntu upgraded several times since 14.10 up to 17.10 and it still show network interface as eth0 it became quite a mess and networking no longer intialise properly
[13:43] <leagris> I tried installing netplan package but it says it misses directory and configs in /etc/netplan
[13:44] <tulphoon> Is there a way to make a program use Wired Connection?
[13:44] <tulphoon> Okay, nvm.
[13:45] <tulphoon> How can I reload the routing table?
[13:45] <leagris> What is the proper path/process to migrate such an incrementally upgraded system to the new networking tools and systemd processes with netplan?
[13:45] <tulphoon> I've set the routes in NetworkManager right now, but they don't get added, maybe restarting the connection will help.
[13:47] <BluesKaj> leagris,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Netplan
[13:47] <alkisg> tulphoon: yes, you need to click on the connection to activate it again
[13:47] <alkisg> tulphoon: you don't need to "disconnect"; just click on the connection again while it's already connected
[13:47] <tulphoon> Okay, it set something.
[13:55] <BluesKaj> akik, I suspect he should setup static IP and DNS in resolved.conf and disable NM
[13:56] <BluesKaj> static IP in the interfaces file
[13:58] <leagris> well my network menu says it has unmanaged interfaces
[13:59] <alkisg> leagris: is this a server or a desktop installation?
[13:59] <leagris> it is a desktop with server-like install in that I assign it dual stack static configs
[14:00] <leagris> statis IPV4 and IPV6
[14:00] <alkisg> Eh, so just a desktop with 2 static IPs
[14:00] <alkisg> Why not use network-manager then, and remove anything else like ifupdown settings
[14:00] <leagris> yes, static IPs and local DNS resolver
[14:01] <leagris> Because I want the network to start and stay active before I enter a desktop session
[14:01] <alkisg> Network manager does that properly
[14:01] <alkisg> As long as you check [x] this connection is for all users
[14:01] <leagris> ok, network-manager has icons on my desktop top bar
[14:02] <leagris> it says it has eth0 and eth1 but they are greyed out as unmanaged
[14:02] <BluesKaj> leagris, I tried netplan, but turns out it's not required if one installs ifupdown and configures the /etc/network/interfaces file and /etc/systemd/resolved,conf, but I'm prejudiced about NM :-)
[14:03] <BluesKaj> DNS in /etc/systemd/resolved,conf
[14:03] <alkisg> leagris: simplify your /etc/network/interfaces leaving just auto there, and delete /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[14:03] <alkisg> leagris: this will make your system like a typical desktop, which is what it is
[14:04]  * BluesKaj shrugs
[14:04] <alkisg> Well, that's what ubuntu defaults to
[14:04] <alkisg> No point in suggesting things other than the defaults when there's no reason
[14:04] <alkisg> Typical /etc/network/interfaces: http://termbin.com/seml
[14:07] <leagris> well does it risk breaking everything if I delete /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules that has hardware network devices declaration here?
[14:07] <alkisg> You can just move it aside. It will rename your eth0 to enp1s0 or so, which is the default nowadays.
[14:08] <alkisg> When using the defaults, it's much easier to get and give support
[14:13] <leagris> it is now a cluster of bugs
[14:13] <leagris> can not restart networking
[14:13] <alkisg> It's easier to reboot,when you change udev rules
[14:17] <kbr0n> I set up a macvlan interface, so now I have 2 public ips, now how can I tell the apps wich connection to use? (eth0 and eth1 )
[14:18] <kbr0n> eg. I can ping -I eth0 or eth1 but how would that work for everything else?
[14:33] <MonsterKiller> Hey, wondered if someone could help. I've removed a key from ~/.ssh/authorized_keys but I am still able to log in with that key, so you have to restart sshd for it to take effect or something?
[14:33] <MonsterKiller> do you*
[14:34] <secnice> worth a shot
[14:46] <azureus> good afternoon
[14:47] <azureus> help me please
[14:47] <azureus> i cannt install refind on ubuntu
[14:47] <leagris> thank you alksig and BluesKaj, rebooted and it is pretty much ok. Still has resolv.conf not really good at startup but I will find my way now
[14:47] <iHack13> hi. I cant get past the login screen anymore. when I enter the user password it looks like it wants to login. goes black. and returns to password prompt. same happens when I want to login as guest
[14:50] <BluesKaj> leagris, resolv.conf file is managed by /etc/systemd/resolved.conf now
[14:51] <DolphinDream> howdy
[14:51] <DolphinDream> my UTC is wrong.. and i can't get my time to update correctly . UTC is reported by timedatectrl to be Sat 2 am when in fact is Fri 2 pm .. any ideas how to fix this ?
[14:51] <DolphinDream> ubuntu says ntpdate is obsolete and shoudl use ntp instead but i can't get it to work . should i use ntpdate instead anyway ?
[14:56] <BluesKaj> DolphinDream,  this might apply http://freelinuxtutorials.com/quick-tips-and-tricks/quick-tip-change-timezone-in-linux-in-different-ways/
[15:01] <dpb1> hi all -- anyone know how to add file search into the gnome-shell search?
[15:02] <rantic_work> Hi everyone, other than the weekly newsletter and obviously ... checking. Does Ubuntu have some kind of mailing list of new releases / critical information such as critical bugs etc?
[15:03] <rantic_work> Is this the correct place to go? https://lists.ubuntu.com/
[15:03] <dpb1> rantic_work: ubuntu-security-announce
[15:03] <dpb1> https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/ (specifically about security issues)
[15:04] <leagris> BlueSkaj having a system incrementally updated since long, probably earlier than 14.10. Started using Ubuntu since 3.04 back in 2003 probably. Some updates did not go without lots of fixing, system had lot of customizations. Networking stuff was a big change. Package management I was used to the old apt-get... su much changes. A Miracle it still works now at 17.10
[15:06] <BluesKaj> leagris, no clean installs, since 2003?
[15:06] <rantic_work> dpb1: Thanks
[15:06] <leagris> clean install when I changed my PC in 2009
[15:07] <BluesKaj> that's still a lot of yrs :-)
[15:08] <leagris> had to go hoops to avoid unity because I could never get it work properly with Compiz E-Zoom and stayed with Gnome the whole time
[15:11] <BluesKaj> leagris, I've been a KDE guy since '05 ...tried all the other 'buntu DEs, but always went back to kde
[15:11] <gordonjcp> I think I preferred Unity to the current Gnome desktop
[15:12] <gordonjcp> is there a way to get rid of that annoying "swipe up" thing when you go to unlock the screen?
[15:12] <leagris> Well, Gnome2 was ok. Kde2 was also. Used it alot.
[15:12] <leagris> And before that I was an afficionada of Windowmaker
[15:13] <leagris> Never found again a desktop so beautiful and blazing fast responsive.
[15:13] <gordonjcp> I never really liked KDE
[15:14] <gordonjcp> everything seemed to be such a faff in it
[15:14] <gordonjcp> "oh, you want to adjust your mouse tracking speed?  Sure, here's 47 different sliders that adjust all sorts of things"
[15:15] <Greeley> That's my favorite part about KDE is all the available customizations
[15:15] <BluesKaj> leagris, does your pc have UEFI or BIOS? I'm just curious about what yr the change over took place
[15:15] <leagris> gordonjcp I was educated to Linux back in 1998 with Suse. Back in the day. Everything including mouse setting had to be dealt with config files.
[15:15] <BluesKaj> gordonjcp, faff ?
[15:16] <gordonjcp> leagris: nonsense
[15:16] <leagris> My PC has a standard bios
[15:16] <BluesKaj> right
[15:16] <gordonjcp> leagris: mouse tracking speed was part of Gnome 1.4 at least
[15:16] <gordonjcp> *Gnome 1.4's config
[15:16] <Younder> I always prefered Gnome. gmome-mm is simply the best C++ windows interface ever.
[15:17] <gordonjcp> leagris: anyway, why are you talking about stuff from 20 years ago?
[15:17] <gordonjcp> leagris: if I wanted to use an OS from 20 years ago, I'd use Xenix
[15:17] <gordonjcp> leagris: or NeXTStep
[15:17] <Younder> QT requires a custom preprocessor for events.
[15:17] <leagris> oh, just that it is hard to adapt when you are used to one way of stuffs for years
[15:18] <leagris> I am getting old also. So thank you all for your help here.
[15:18] <gordonjcp> so is there a name for that annoying "swipe up" screen lock thing in 17.10?
[15:19] <gordonjcp> can anyone give me a clue as to what it's even called, so I can try to work out how to get rid of it?
[15:19] <Younder> So unity is going for good. So is that mag ubuntu-user. I get Linux mag these days
[15:20] <Younder> Gnome is fine and I like systemd I guess I can live with it.
[15:20] <gordonjcp> people actually buy computer magazines these days?
[15:20] <mason> Hey all. I'm having an issue getting Gnome or Unity logins working with NFS /home, and I'm wondering if it's a known issue.  ssh'ing in works fine. If I use an .xsession with xdm or choose the Openbox session under LightDM that's fine. But Unity and Gnome throw tons of errors in syslog and bail out with NFS home.  Users with a non-NFS home, no such issue.  This is with brand new user accounts, so
[15:20] <mason> everything's being populated on first login. Is there an issue with named pipes or locking or some such silliness?
[15:20] <Younder> gordonjcp, only 50 year old antiques like me.
[15:21] <mason> I miss Byte.
[15:22] <gordonjcp> Younder: you bloody children with your computer magazines
[15:25] <Younder> I liked DrJobbs journal
[15:25] <Younder> dobbs
[15:27] <leagris> Younder welcome to the club of 50yo Ubuntu users :)
[15:28] <mason> Any of you dinosaurs use home on NFS with Gnome or Unity logins?
[15:28] <mason> I'm going to compare EL7 on my test box to see if it works there, but I'm surprised it is struggling so much on Xenial.
[15:29] <Younder> My private cluster uses NFS the rest of the network Samba. And no not home. Though that is a common selection i chose shared.
[15:30] <mason> But do you have Gnome or Unity sessions starting up with NFS home? That's what I'm seeing fail here.
[15:30] <mason> Openbox session, starts fine on the same accounts.
[15:31] <Younder> My cluster doen't run any windows software at all, just sinularity I kinda lightweight hadop
[15:31] <mason> NFS itself works fine in this case.
[15:32] <Neo1> hi! I've removed ubuntu from desktop and can't load in windows, am getting error no such partition, entering rescue mode..
[15:32] <Neo1> who know how to fix it any suggestions?
[15:33] <mason> Neo1: Were you dual-booting before?
[15:33] <mason> I assume...?
[15:33] <Neo1> I had removed it form laptop and helped this commands from windows command >bootrec /fixmbr, /fixboot, /rebuildbcd
[15:33] <Younder> Samba is the least problematic thing to set up and the tightest integated into the Ubuntu desktop. So I guess the question is do you really need NFS?
[15:34] <mason> Younder: Using SMB/CIFS seems alien when it's Unix on both sides. :P
[15:34] <Neo1> both on laptop and desctop, from laptop I succesfully removed, from desktop can't
[15:34] <mason> But that's an interesting point.
[15:34] <Neo1> I want wholly to remove ubuntu from desktop
[15:35] <mason> Neo1: I'm afraid I don't know enough Windows to help, but you might get more knowledgeable help in #windows or something similar.
[15:36] <Neo1> I've already asked there and silence....
[15:36] <mason> Neo1: The other thing though is that if it's modern Windows, you're probably running UEFI, in which case you can probably choose the right .efi file from your BIOS interface.
[15:36] <Neo1> and on laptop now I see 3 windows, before I have only one
[15:36] <Mathisen> not true Neo1 said to restore windows bootloader
[15:36] <Neo1> on laptop I did also something wrong :)
[15:36] <Mathisen> Neo1, you removed grub = you need to restore windows one
[15:36] <Neo1> and how I restore it?
[15:37] <gordonjcp> oh wow, there's an IRC channel for this Windows thing?
[15:37] <mason> UEFI makes all of this stuff way more straightforward FWIW.
[15:37] <mason> gordonjcp: It's catching on, I hear.
[15:37] <Neo1> grub maybe not removed if it show his window
[15:37] <gordonjcp> mason: I've never tried it
[15:37] <gordonjcp> is it any good?
[15:37] <gordonjcp> what distro is it based on?
[15:37] <mason> gordonjcp: Based on VMS if my history is accurate.
[15:38] <gordonjcp> mason: ...
[15:38] <Neo1> I see black screen where this:
[15:38] <Neo1> error: no such partition.
[15:38] <Neo1> Entering rescue mode...
[15:38] <Neo1> grub rescue>_
[15:38] <gordonjcp> mason: oooh-kay, that would be a blast from the past
[15:38] <Neo1> what I should enter here?
[15:38] <mason> gordonjcp: I'm not even kidding there, you realize.
[15:38] <gordonjcp> mason: so it's not related to that thing that you used to run under MSDOS?
[15:39] <gordonjcp> mason: I never joke about VMS :-D
[15:39] <mason> gordonjcp: Not since NT.
[15:39] <Mathisen> Neo1, notthing as your grub settings where in your ubuntu install = there is no grub.cfg
[15:39] <Mathisen> Neo1, pls read upp how it works
[15:39] <mason> Anyway, this notion of trying CIFS instead of NFS is interesting. Does CIFS do a better job supporting locks, named pipes, or whatever other weirdness might be causing things to bail?
[15:40] <Neo1> Mathisen: and how I can setup windows manager instead?
[15:40] <Mathisen> Neo1, boot windows install media go to recovery and restore
[15:40] <Neo1> I can load windows command line
[15:40] <gordonjcp> mason: a lot of the stuff in ZFS that people enthuse about was stuff that was in VMS 30-odd years ago ;-)
[15:40] <Neo1> Mathisen: for desktop I don't have recovery points
[15:41] <Mathisen> Neo1, recovery CMD
[15:41] <alkisg> (05:39:45 μμ) mason: Anyway, this notion of trying CIFS instead of NFS is interesting. Does CIFS do a better job supporting locks, named pipes, or whatever other weirdness might be causing things to bail? ==> I haven't read anything in the chatlogs above ^, but nfs is much more stable and supports many more things than cifs
[15:41] <mason> gordonjcp: Eh? VMS did versioning but it wasn't CoW, was it?
[15:41] <Neo1> what is CMD?
[15:41] <Mathisen> pls read before asking more. im off
[15:41] <gordonjcp> mason: I think you *could* do CoW
[15:41] <mason> alkisg: The issue is that I've got home directories on NFS, and Gnome and Unity bail out with lots of failures.
[15:42] <gordonjcp> mason: it's been so long now since I even looked at VMS
[15:42] <Neo1> Mathisen: yes I can run CMD and what type there?
[15:42] <_rumbler31> so now there is also /etc/network/interfaces for configuring static ip or dhcp, but now there is also dhcpcd? are they related or two separate stacks?
[15:42] <Mathisen> Neo1, that depends if you booting legacy or UEFI
[15:42] <mason> gordonjcp: I guess OpenVMS is still a thing, under active development.
[15:42] <gordonjcp> mason: yeah
[15:42] <alkisg> mason: for home directories, the best order is: block based first (e.g. nbd or loop-mounted file-partition), nfs second, sshfs third, cifs last
[15:43] <mason> _rumbler31: dhcpcd is a tool that does configuration via DHCP, whereas interfaces is one of the ways to direct that configuration.
[15:43] <Neo1> how shall I determine it?
[15:43] <alkisg> mason: the block-based are the most stable, nfs and sshfs do have a few issues, yet cifs is much worse
[15:43] <gordonjcp> mason: I've been roped into looking after some very serious Solaris 8 kit, that does a Very Serious (public safety) job ;-)
[15:43] <Neo1> Mathisen: usual black windows CMD
[15:43] <mason> alkisg: ZFS-backed NFS here, and it'd be mildly painful to convert it to block, although yeah that'd almost certainly work.
[15:43] <gordonjcp> mason: when the Sun V890s it runs on get decommed, they're getting "disposed of" into the back of a certain engineer's Landrover ;-)
[15:44] <mason> alkisg: Actually, that's kind of a compelling idea. I'll explore it.
[15:44] <mason> gordonjcp: Heh, nice.
[15:45] <gordonjcp> mason: the organisation I work for is worried about them being EOL and how reliable they're likely to be
[15:45] <gordonjcp> It's old Sun kit
[15:45] <gordonjcp> it's built like a bomb shelter
[15:45] <alkisg> mason: in ltsp (netbooted clients software) we're using sshfs or nfs /home, it's rather stable. Never tried it over zfs though. And, it's rather unstable when combined with tmpfs to create cow.
[15:45] <Neo1> Mathisen: I have recovery USB where wholly written windows 10 from laptop, shall I recover windows from USB but it take a few hours and laptop has differ drivers?
[15:46] <mason> alkisg: The biggest account is some 400G of data so pulling it back and forth across the 'net will be slow to move it to block storage. (The NFS server's FreeBSD, so I don't think I'll have lots of luck setting up ext4 on it.)
[15:47] <alkisg> mason: block doesn't mean you transfer all of it. Only the needed sectors are transferred.
[15:47] <mason> alkisg: Sorry, was caught in scrollback. Are you logging into Unity on this NFS home, or just ssh'ing in and such?
[15:47] <mason> alkisg: No, but moving the stuff *onto* the block storage means I need the block storage set up with the local FS.
[15:47] <alkisg> Logging into unity or any other de successfully, except with some mostly unrelated glitches with kde
[15:48] <alkisg> mason: yes, either that, or it can be a partition on its own
[15:48] <mason> Hrm. So, if it should work, I wonder what's not happening here. The client here is Xenial.
[15:48] <mason> The account's homedir is NFS, but even starting with a completely empty homedir, both big graphical desktops slowly fail and then bail.
[15:48] <alkisg> We do have a lot of xenial installations without issues
[15:49] <mason> hrm
[15:49] <alkisg> Are you using nfsv4 or v3?
[15:50] <mason> alkisg: v3 right now, but I can move to v4 if that's useful.
[15:50] <alkisg> No, v3 works fine here
[15:50] <alkisg> Haven't tested v4 much
[15:50] <mason> Also, FWIW, one of the amusing log messages: https://bpaste.net/show/b8a54af70652
[15:50] <alkisg> mason: that usually related to bad xorg, are you sure that's not an issue?
[15:51] <alkisg> E.g. if you switch from nfs to local or tmpfs, it works fine?
[15:51] <mason> alkisg: What's serving the NFS? I can swap in another server to test, in case it's something unique to FreeBSD or ZFS on the back end.
[15:51] <alkisg> Ubuntu xenial as both the server and the client
[15:51] <alkisg> ext4
[15:51] <mason> alkisg: If I switch to local, it works fine. If I use, say, Openbox on the NFS, it logs me in and is happy.
[15:52] <alkisg> Hrm. Sounds like issues with file locks then.
[15:52] <mason> I'll try that (ext4-backed, Ubuntu server) before I throw CentOS on the client to try that.
[15:52] <mason> Yeah, or fifos or something funny.
[15:53] <mason> Thanks for the ideas. I'll report back with some results later today - meetings in the way this monring.
[15:53] <mason> morning even
[15:53] <alkisg> mason: btw, why unity? It's being abandoned, isn't it?
[15:53]  * alkisg is using mate mostly
[15:53] <mason> alkisg: Just to test. It's my wife's desktop environment. She actually prefers Gnome, but they both fail the same way.
[15:53] <alkisg> OK, you could give sshfs a try too if you want
[15:53] <_rumbler31> mason: thank you.  /etc/network/interfaces on one system has a comment at the top that says that it is written to be used with dhcpdc and that static assignment should go in /etc/dhcpcd.conf, on another, /etc/network/interfaces has the static/dynamic assignments in it
[15:53] <mason> alkisg: But you've got Gnome and/or Unity running on this NFS? I'd imagine Mate would be more likely to thrive.
[15:53] <alkisg> A bit slower, but safer
[15:54] <alkisg> Yes, people tested unity. I dont know about gnome in 16.04, I haven't heard about it
[15:54] <mason> _rumbler31: There are a bunch of ways to do it. I prefer explicating everything in /etc/network/interfaces, but I guess that's being deprecated at some point.
[15:54] <alkisg> mason: anyways, good luck :)
[15:54] <mason> alkisg: Alright, I'll try that too. Excellent ideas all.
[15:54] <mason> ty
[15:54] <alkisg> np
[15:57] <BluesKaj> for static ip the interfaces file requires ifupdown
[15:58] <_BIGSHOT_> will Ubuntu's latest LTS work superbly with 4K display 27" inch?
[15:59] <_BIGSHOT_> without any issues?
[15:59] <Rikem> Hello, I'm having a slight problem with a static route. Could any one give me some tips please?
[16:01] <pavlos> Rikem: can you pastebin route -n
[16:01] <Rikem> http://paste.ubuntu.com/26089929/
[16:02] <Rikem> I'm trying to reach the 172.16.0.0 network. However when I ping/access a device on that network it returns as the gateway address
[16:03] <BluesKaj> Rikem, do you have it setup in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[16:04] <Rikem> BluesKaj: I'm not making a persistent route yet, I've used the following command
[16:05] <Rikem> BluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26089943/
[16:07] <mason> alkisg: Just FWIW, I didn't explicate NFSv3 from Ubuntu -> Ubuntu, so I got NFSv4 by default, and NFS home backed by ext4 worked. Going to try it on ZFS next, everything else the same.
[16:12] <BluesKaj> Rikem, need to know what you are trying to do, exactly , that looks like a second router/gateway on your network
[16:12] <Younder> ZFS is just the same as NFS just suppurt for bigger disks. It is Lustre that is the big leap forwards.
[16:13] <Rikem> BluesKaj: That is correct.
[16:15] <Younder> NFS is set up in /etc/fstab
[16:15] <Rikem> BluesKaj: The 172.16.0.0 network is managed by that router on a separate VLAN. I want to access that network without having to change anything on the 192.168.20.0 network. I thought a route would be the correct way?
[16:16] <Younder> Not terribly difficult to do, but difficult to do well. Defaults pretty much suck and are insecure.
[16:17] <Younder> Got that Oreilly book on NFS and that helped me get some bearing. YMMV
[16:17] <BluesKaj> hmm, I have no experience dealing with 2 routers Rikem, that would be a learning experience for me :-)
[16:18] <Rikem> BluesKaj: Ok, thanks for your help. :)
[16:18] <Younder> Setting up Kerberos and LDAP and PAM to work in tune in a cluster was a challenge too.
[16:19] <Younder> But we like that kind of thing.
[16:20] <BluesKaj> Rikem, sorry , not much help, maybe some else can jump in
[16:20] <BluesKaj> someone that is
[16:20] <Younder> Are you setting up routers or setting up linux to be a router.
[16:20] <Younder> ?
[16:21] <nicomachus> regardless of the answer to that question ^
[16:21] <nicomachus> it sounds like more of a question for ##networking than #ubuntu
[16:22] <Rikem> Younder: I have SmallWall running on a box. This has a DHCP address from 192.168.20.1 and provides the 172 network to another switch
[16:22] <Younder> Sorry I am listening ro Rachmaninoff 2 piano symphony which is rather intens so I may be A BIT DISTRACTED.
[16:22] <Rikem> My real question is what would you expect from the route I've setup? As when I ping something on the other network, is returns as the gateway
[16:22] <klemax> My archive link is broken for long time.
[16:22] <nicomachus> Rikem: still sounds like a question for ##networking
[16:23] <nicomachus> klemax: what archive link? can you explain that a little more?
[16:23] <Rikem> nicomachus: Brilliant, thanks :)
[16:23] <klemax> nicomachus: tr.archive.ubuntu.com
[16:23] <nicomachus> well I'm no rachmanioff fanboy, but I try Rikem
[16:23] <klemax> nicomachus: sources list.
[16:23] <nicomachus> klemax: can you paste the full output of 'sudo apt update' to a pastebin and link here?
[16:24] <klemax> nicomachus: The network is not reacheable.
[16:24] <Younder> Rikem, 192.168 is a private network thus not accessible outside te private net. Anyhow DHCP should be one of the simplest serves to set up. I would always blame the DNS, a knawrly and difficult son of a bitch.
[16:24] <nicomachus> Younder: language!
[16:25] <Rikem> Younder: Thanks Younder, however I don't think I've explained myself very well.
[16:25] <nicomachus> klemax: ok, I'd still like to see the full output.
[16:25] <Younder> nicomachus, Have you ever set up DNS, f so you you would learn profanity. That was mild.
[16:25] <klemax> nicomachus: if i changed it, would be problem?
[16:25] <klemax> I mean in sources.list
[16:25] <nicomachus> Younder: I don't care, don't use it here.
[16:26] <nicomachus> klemax: I want to see the full output please.
[16:26] <klemax> Ok
[16:26] <alkisg> klemax: switch to the maijn mirror until tr.archive.ubuntu.com works again, but do file a bug report that it doesn't work
[16:26] <alkisg> *main
[16:26] <alkisg> ping tr.archive.ubuntu.com doesn't work, it's just down
[16:26] <klemax> Yeah for 2 days its down.
[16:27] <klemax> I cant get updates.
[16:27] <alkisg> It's weird that I don't see it in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[16:27] <klemax> Oh really
[16:27] <alkisg> Yes, tr.archive.ubuntu.com resolves to ftp.linux.org.tr. Of course both don't respond, but they're not in the list...
[16:27] <klemax> I thought its the main repo for my country.
[16:28] <alkisg> It is
[16:28] <alkisg> They can switch tr.archive.ubuntu.com to point to another provider when needed
[16:28] <alkisg> So file a bug so that they look after it
[16:28] <klemax> Humm ok
[16:29] <alkisg> On the other hand, linux.org.tr does work, it's just the ftp subdomain that doesn't...
[16:29] <klemax> Weird.
[16:29] <alkisg> Maybe you could mail them too
[16:29] <klemax> I will.
[16:29] <alkisg> Go to linux.org.tr, find where to mail them, and send them one
[16:29] <Younder> What I alway worder is where to set the IP macurading. I used /etc/rc.config
[16:30] <_BIGSHOT_> will Ubuntu's latest LTS work superbly with 4K display 27" inch?
[16:30] <_BIGSHOT_> without any issues?
[16:30]  * alkisg used /etc/network/if-up.d, until ifupdown got deprecated...
[16:30] <pavlos> Rikem: on the 192 net, can .1 and .43 ping each other?
[16:30] <nicomachus> _BIGSHOT_: sure.
[16:31] <Younder> IPTABLES is a fine interface I think one you wrap your head around it.
[16:32] <Younder> I should probaly recomment uft the uncomplicated firewall. Which has served me fine over te years.
[16:32] <mason> alkisg: So, here's something fancy. ZFS under Ubuntu, but NFSv4, login works. Now I need to see if it's an issue with extended attributes or the NFS protocol.
[16:32] <alkisg> klemax: here's how to report the issue in ubuntu: https://askubuntu.com/questions/335609/where-do-i-report-issues-with-official-archive-mirrors
[16:33] <alkisg> mason: maybe ubuntu has some patches or a newer kernel or something that solves the bugs you see with your other server
[16:33] <Younder> unlikely
[16:33] <alkisg> NFS had quite a few bugs in 4.x
[16:34] <Younder> Most of the bugs in nFS are configuration based. Don't use it in ways it doesn't expect.
[16:34] <klemax> alkisg: ubuntu team can not see if these links are broken? So they could switch them to another one.
[16:34] <mason> alkisg: Well, the two obvious things: ZFS under FreeBSD doesn't support extended attributes, and FreeBSD was serving NFSv3. I'll have it serve NFSv4 as the next step. If it's an issue with extended attributes I'll have to move to a different NFS server or share a block device.
[16:34] <alkisg> Younder: that's really not true. Please check the nfs changelog.
[16:35] <alkisg> klemax: ask in #ubuntu-mirrors the exact same question, not here
[16:35] <Younder> Again Oreillys book on setting up NFS is a lifesaver.
[16:35] <alkisg> Younder: right, and I'm sure it also solves bugs, great book
[16:35] <alkisg> In general reading a book is the best way to solve bugs, instead of filing bug reports and sending patches
[16:35] <nicomachus> lol
[16:36] <Younder> Nothing solves bugs you just work around them. I barely keep my head above water on my own system. But is you fare better let me know.
[16:37] <_BIGSHOT_> nicomachus, how can you be so "sure."?
[16:37] <_BIGSHOT_> have you tried it?
[16:37] <alkisg> Nothing solves bugs, ouch, I guess the last 1000 I solved were hallucinations
[16:37] <Ben64> _BIGSHOT_: ubuntu doesn't care the size or resolution of your screen
[16:39] <Younder> Ben64, It need above 800x400 which is fine for just about everything these days
[16:40] <klemax> alkisg: I changed to archive.ubuntu.com. I am going to use it from now on.
[16:40] <Younder> Isn't that the default?
[16:40] <alkisg> klemax: you didn't report it to #ubuntu-mirrors yet :)
[16:40] <alkisg> klemax: finding a workaround is ok, but report to to solve the issue as well
[16:41] <klemax> Reported it to linux.org.tr
[16:41] <alkisg> For example, it's possible that they could just switch tr.archive.ubuntu.com to another mirror temporarily
[16:41] <Younder> Reporting has a tendency to get absolutely nothing done. But be my guest.
[16:42] <alkisg> Younder: I'm sure there are rules in the channel for NOT being counterproductive
[16:42] <nicomachus> _BIGSHOT_: I have an HTPC at home running 16.04 LTS displayed on a 55 inch 4k tv.
[16:42] <Younder> I am a pessimist, not counterproductive. So post the complaint. Then expect nothing to happen, like I do.
[16:43] <nicomachus> Younder: if you aren't here to help then please leave.
[16:43] <BluesKaj> nicomachus, which gpu ?
[16:43] <alkisg> Younder: well as I said I got 1000+ bugs solved, so I guess I'm more optimist
[16:43] <Younder> I am quite often positively surprised though.
[16:43] <nicomachus> BluesKaj: Radeon HD6450
[16:43] <nicomachus> i think
[16:44] <alkisg> klemax: great. They may not reply soon, because many of them are europeans and not working now, but they'll see it. :)
[16:44] <nicomachus> BluesKaj: HD 8450*
[16:44] <Younder> I am European.
[16:45] <klemax> Alkisg: Ok. I am sure they will fix it as soon as possible. Thanks for your help.
[16:45] <alkisg> np
[16:45] <alkisg> Regards from Greece ;)
[16:46] <klemax> :)
[16:47] <klemax> I was in Atina last month.
[16:49] <BluesKaj> nicomachus, does that gpu do 4k resolution?
[16:49] <nicomachus> BluesKaj: idk about true 4k, but my 4k videos play just fine.
[16:50] <BluesKaj> right
[17:12] <qwxlea> does systemd override /etc/hosts? if yes, what to read/how to edit my hosts?
[17:17] <akik> qwxlea: you can add entries to /etc/hosts
[17:21] <Nomad81> Hi. When I grab a window and move it about, specially to the bottom of the screen in a fast motion, I get flickering in Launcher/panel and/or they dissapear completelly, untill I click somewhere on the desktop. On ubuntu 17.04 with intel graphics. Is there any cure ?
[17:21] <Nomad81> Sounds VERY similar to this : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1283979
[17:21] <yuriescl_> hi, I have Ubuntu 14.04 with 4.4.0-96-generic i686  Kernel, and when I run "apt-get update", the "Reading package lists..." is very, very slow, any ideas?
[17:22] <yuriescl_> also, "ps aux" is showing 0.0 for all %MEM values
[17:22] <qwxlea> akik, thanks
[17:24] <compdoc> yuriescl_, does it complete?
[17:24] <yuriescl_> compdoc, it takes 30min to get to 14%, I don't wanna wait 3 weeks for it to finish
[17:25] <compdoc> wow. maybe a dns issue
[17:25] <compdoc> your hard drive isnt full?
[17:25] <nicomachus> yuriescl_: which archives?
[17:26] <yuriescl_> nicomachus, it's a server in Brazil and it's using br mirrors
[17:26] <yuriescl_> nicomachus, should I change to us mirrors?
[17:26] <nicomachus> yuriescl_: perhaps try switching to the main mirror and see if that makes a difference.
[17:30] <yuriescl_> nicomachus, changed to us mirrors, same problem
[17:37] <Reporting4Booty> Can anyone tell me which kernel source corresponds to 4.13.0-6? I want to compile it on a different distro but there's only 4.13.1 and up on kernel.org
[17:38] <mason> alkisg: Final note here for now... FreeBSD service ZFS over NFSv4 works where over NFSv3 doesn't. I haven't tried comparing 3 vs 4 yet on the Linux server side.
[17:38] <Reporting4Booty> 0-16*, typo there.
[17:38] <nicomachus> Reporting4Booty: you may try one of the linux kernel channels.
[17:39] <mason> s/service/serving/
[17:40] <dynaflash> Anyone know of anyway Nautilus can mount / browse nfs shares?
[17:41] <BluesKaj> 0.
[17:41] <BluesKaj> .0
[17:41] <BluesKaj> 0.
[17:41] <BluesKaj> oops
[17:42] <PTNapivoski> ?
[17:46] <dynaflash> … or another gui app by chance?
[17:52] <ducasse> dpb1: maybe gigolo
[17:54] <CuChulaind> Hello ubuntu experts!
[17:55] <CuChulaind> I just picked up a new laptop, I did a clean install of windows 10, giving my self 500GB for Ubuntu. I have created a Live USB of 17.10. When I restart my system, and select try ubuntu, it simply hangs
[17:55] <CuChulaind> the ubuntu logo appears, the red/white dots move a few times, then it simply hangs
[17:55] <CuChulaind> any ideas how to kickstart this puppy?
[17:56] <CuChulaind> I made the ISO in windows with Rufus, FWIW
[17:56] <CuChulaind> I can remake on my other machine (linux) if necessary
[17:58] <superKiller> hello. the right click on the touchpad of my laptop does not seem to work in ubuntu mate 17.10 . anybody know why ?
[17:58] <l0llip0p> CuChulaind: hi! Can you press shift button when the ubuntu starts? This should give you linux-kernels output
[18:00] <CuChulaind> l0llip0p, I attempted to do so to no avail
[18:00] <timdotrb> CuChulaind, meaning you didn't get any output?
[18:01] <CuChulaind> What I get from startup: hit f12, choose the USB, and then the next screen I get is the black screen with text, not a GUI as I woudl have expected FWIW
[18:01] <CuChulaind> letting it just go, it starts, then I see what I think is the disk check test (don't know it is super fine print)
[18:01] <CuChulaind> I pressed shift, nothing
[18:02] <CuChulaind> when the ubuutu logo came up (with the moving dots) I pressed shift again, nothing
[18:02] <CuChulaind> so no ouput from the shift key
[18:02] <CuChulaind> no changes in the process at all from what I could tell
[18:02] <l0llip0p> CuChulaind: 16.04 or 17.10?
[18:02] <CuChulaind> 17.10
[18:02] <CuChulaind> I wanted to install with gnome vs 16.04 with unity then upgrade
[18:03] <CuChulaind> Shall I try making the USB with unetbootin vs rufus
[18:03] <l0llip0p> rufus is better
[18:03] <CuChulaind> ah
[18:04] <l0llip0p> Ofcourse you can whipe the partion with windows and try to install ubuntu again
[18:04] <CuChulaind> so remove Windows
[18:04] <l0llip0p> nooooo :D
[18:05] <CuChulaind> I have 4 other systems, all *nix was going to have an official win box fora  change :-)
[18:05] <l0llip0p> go to windows -> whipe//format the ubuntu partion
[18:05] <l0llip0p> and try to install ubuntu once again?
[18:05] <CuChulaind> ok, have it wipe any partition that ubuntu install had tried to make
[18:06] <CuChulaind> on the ssd, not the usb
[18:06] <l0llip0p> also it might be more secure to install 16.04 lts and the to upgrade to 17.10 ?
[18:06] <CuChulaind> I don't mind, just didn't want any unity artifacts if possible
[18:07] <nicomachus> idk l0llip0p, I'd say a fresh install of whatever version you want is best.
[18:07] <nicomachus> if you want 17.10, install 17.10
[18:07] <l0llip0p> nicomachus: if you think so :)
[18:12] <CuChulaind> From inside windows there does not appear to be another partition recognized
[18:12] <CuChulaind> Just the C drive
[18:12] <CuChulaind> and we all know there are other partitions by default
[18:12] <CuChulaind> but none from the Ubunut install from what I can tell
[18:12] <timdotrb> If you didn't create another partition, then there would just be blank space
[18:13] <timdotrb> If you didn't ever get to a desktop, then Ubuntu didn't attempt an install
[18:13] <l0llip0p> CuChulaind: well Now I am confused
[18:13] <l0llip0p> timdotrb: sounds convincing
[18:13] <CuChulaind> makes sense
[18:14] <CuChulaind> so it's in the USB media then
[18:14] <CuChulaind> since the BIOS sees the USB and begins booting from it
[18:15] <timdotrb> While booting, after you select USB and you get to the prompt where you can try ubuntu: press E and that should show you the boot parameters. Delete "quiet" and "splash"
[18:15] <timdotrb> Then try booting
[18:15] <CuChulaind> ok
[18:20] <CuChulaind> perhaps this is bad media, plugging it into my existing ubunut laptop it didn't mount
[18:20] <CuChulaind> however another usb did just fine
[18:22] <nicomachus> is it usb 3.0?
[18:22] <CuChulaind> 2.0
[18:22] <nicomachus> is the port 3.0?
[18:22] <nicomachus> I've had issues with USB 3.0 on bootable drives.
[18:22] <CuChulaind> It is
[18:22] <nicomachus> may try it in a 2.0 port if you have one.
[18:22] <CuChulaind> perhaps that's it, my new machine is all USB3 my old does have a 2.0
[18:23] <CuChulaind> Will do
[18:42] <kbr0n> hello, I'm doing this: ip link add dev eth1 link eth0 type macvlan, then I bring eth1 up, do dhclient eth1 on it. I can see both eth0 and eth1 with ip address but only 1 works...what's wrong?
[18:43] <trafaret1> hi there
[18:43] <kbr0n> (works meaning, I can ping 8.8.8.8 from it)
[18:44] <trafaret1> I need your help. I relatively recently have migrated from windows to linux. I want to create web sites and I have installed separately apach2 mysql php and now I can't understand how to launch it. Is there tool for linux to know which software were installed?
[18:46] <kbr0n> ls /usr/bin will give you some idea
[18:52] <zuiss1> hi i have to configure my computer with a static ip address, which i did. but it's still unable to access the internet. i gave it ip, subnet, gateway, and DNS using network-manager. what could be the issue?
[18:53] <joe_alf> hi, how do i add hotspot and share internet connection on ubuntu 16.04?
[19:03] <camonz> hi, I'm trying to setup x11vnc on a headless terminal, I set up a service to run x11vnc on startup, systemctl says the service is running but I can't find the port open when I run netstat -plutan as root
[19:12] <esselfe> what should I do if my Ubuntu installation is now read-only, having /etc/fstab specifying error=remount,ro and 'mount -vo remount-rw doesn't work? I just reboot to USB live-iso-image and run e2fsck? I was installing gentoo on sda7, Ubuntu is sda2
[19:12] <esselfe> *remount-ro
[19:13] <esselfe> ...or run a modifyied grub entry with 'rw single rescue'?
[19:14] <esselfe> it was was my sure-backup-os before I start installing gentoo for 2 days ^^
[19:14] <EriC^^> esselfe: boot recovery mode and fsck
[19:15] <tanja84dk> I'm sorry to ask I have some issue with forwarding with iptables
[19:15] <esselfe> great, so fsck usually comes after 'e2fsck -v -C1 -f -p /dev/sda2' says it's wrong right? unless nothing happens
[19:16] <EriC^^> i ddnt understan
[19:16] <esselfe> you know what, I'll put back the liveDVD image onto USB stick (4G) so I can check the FS... thanks
[19:17] <EriC^^> !ask | tanja84dk
[19:17] <esselfe> today I selected the newly outcomed 13.0 -> 17.0 gento main profile switch and instructions are plunked....
[19:17] <esselfe> I'll just restart with everything new soon, nvm ^^
[19:18] <tanja84dk> EriC^^, I'm actually in the middle of writing the issue :) I just always start that  way by saying what the issue in general is about
[19:19] <tanja84dk> I'm trying to forward a port on my server where if a connection comes to tun2 port 10280 then it should forward it to 10.8.0.102 port 80
[19:20] <tanja84dk> and I have tried "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i tun2 -p tcp --dport 10280 -j  DNAT --to-destination 10.8.0.102:80" and also activated ipv4 routing in "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" but for some reason it wont let the connection get forwarded
[19:21] <CuChulaind> timdotrb,\
[19:23] <EriC^^> tanja84dk: did you try with -j REDIRECT ?
[19:24] <tanja84dk> EriC^^, actually no tbh because I have totally forgotten that flag
[19:24] <tanja84dk> 2 sec going to try
[19:25] <EriC^^> tanja84dk: i saw a post that said at the end to use "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE"  (with the command you posted earlier)
[19:26] <tanja84dk> I have also added iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o tun2 -j MASQUERADE
[19:27] <EriC^^> tanja84dk: try joining ##networking too
[19:27] <EriC^^> if nobody knows here
[19:27] <tanja84dk> thanks I will try that
[19:29] <tanja84dk> EriC^^, yeah the redirect flag are not allowed so I will try in a minute asking it in the other group but still thanks for the attempt
[19:29] <EriC^^> tanja84dk: no problem
[19:53] <tanja84dk> EriC^^, looks like iptables itself cant do it
[19:53] <EriC^^> oh wow
[20:05] <esselfe> ...and e2fsck from live image said it's all ok ... ^^ now it's rw
[20:18] <tanja84dk> EriC^^, My bad it were actually a issue on the recieving server because its gateway arent the vpn network but uses the isp gateway ( its a cloud server ), so I were  informed now that if it recieve the trafic then it dont know what to do with it
[20:18] <EriC^^> oh ok
[20:19] <FSFRS> Hi! Anyone here?
[20:19] <tanja84dk> EriC^^, So I have found a work around because its actually needed for ssh but I were just testing with port 80 so I knew I didnt fuck up my ssh port
[20:20] <FSFRS> I have a problem with the volume mixer alert, is duplicate when sccroll up/down, like this;
[20:20] <FSFRS> http://i.imgur.com/8q0kwZl.png
[20:20] <FSFRS> any fix?
[20:22] <tanja84dk> EriC^^, and the work around for me will be a reverse ssh coonection to the server in the middle ( where the iptables rules were made ) because then there are a connection and it wont go on the public interface and then its just using a local port on the server in the middle
[20:23] <ioria> FSFRS, it's not duplicate... different icons
[20:23] <tanja84dk> EriC^^, just need to find the package that  I know is able to do that
[20:23] <FSFRS> Agree, but I don't know why is duplicate (or different icons)
[20:25] <FSFRS> I want to try delete one of these
[20:28] <tanja84dk> EriC^^, going to do it with autossh ( actually learned about that program several years ago from a show I follow obn youtube )
[20:28] <ioria> FSFRS,  check system-settings -> sound -> sound effects
[20:28] <tanja84dk> *obn=on
[20:37] <FSFRS> Ok thanks ioria. Other configuration needed, disable check in sound boot, have duplicate entries in boot applications :D
[20:37] <ioria> FSFRS,  good job
[20:38] <mutante> when you run dpkg -l and a package is status "pc", what's that, that seems unusual
[20:38] <mutante> oh right, i need to look at the header and use dpkg -l without | grep
[20:39] <mutante> Purge but still has config files? hmm
[20:55] <bjrohan> Still having issues installing 17.10 dual boot on my xps 15 with ssd.  Pressing E during install gives:
[20:55] <bjrohan> set gfxpayload = keep
[20:55] <bjrohan> linux /casper/vmlinux.efi
[20:55] <bjrohan> file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed
[20:55] <bjrohan> boot= casper quiet splash
[20:56] <bjrohan> initrd /casper/initrd.1z
[20:56] <bjrohan> then errors about USB cable, this is a USB 3.0 stick
[20:56] <bjrohan> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMTdRXCp4rlunvoUsQkwFlYutq9Ov_nNGkIuAgS
[20:57] <bjrohan> This alreay has Windows 10 installed
[20:57] <bjrohan> when installing 10, I left 650GB free for this ubuntu install
[20:58] <Bashing-om> !md5sum | bjrohan Looks like issues with the installer:
[21:08] <bjrohan> Bashing-om, I just verified the hashes, they match for ubuntu-17.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:11] <bjrohan> When attempting to install I do NOT get a splash screen, one I expect to have icons to try or install
[21:14] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | bjrohan // Next shot in the dark . try::
[21:16] <bjrohan> I'd like it if I booted into a black screen vs errors?
[21:16] <bjrohan> :-)
[21:18] <Bashing-om> bjrohan: Understood :) .. boot up as per ^ with nomodeset replacing "quiet splash" see then what the system thinks from the boot messages .
[21:20] <Bashing-om> bjrohan: I too have to boot up 'nomodeset' with a new generation nvidia card ( 14.04 ) / 16.04 I must run with the proprietary driver .
[21:21] <bjrohan> Bashing-om, the link you sent describes (so far) how to change items upon boot splash screen. I do not get that far
[21:21] <bjrohan> No splash screen, oddly, only the type of text screen I expect on grub
[21:23] <erio> hello
[21:23] <Bashing-om> bjrohan: Is this a desktop ? As the server/mini have no GUI's - are we talking booting the installer of the installed system ?
[21:23] <erio> how do I install RUST on UBUNTU 16.04 ?
[21:23] <bjrohan> Yes, I downloaded the ubuntu 17.10 desktop
[21:23] <alkisg> Bashing-om: he has uefi so he sees grub instead of syslinux
[21:23] <gordonjcp> erio: rust as in the programming language?
[21:24] <alkisg> bjrohan: press e and put nomodeset there
[21:24] <bjrohan> I used rufus in windows to make a bootable USB, popped it in, on bootup hit f12 to select the USB
[21:24] <alkisg> bjrohan: replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset" where you see it
[21:25] <erio> yes
[21:25] <erio> gordonjcp
[21:25] <erio> rust the programming language
[21:25] <bjrohan> Well something a bit different. Pressing E this time brought up the splash screen I expected to try or install. For S&G I did try, then it gave me the same error messages. Will hit e sooner
[21:25] <erio> node is very easy to install, was expecting the same... And was surprised.... It isn't ?
[21:26] <gordonjcp> erio: I think you can just install it with apt, if you're on 16.10 or newer
[21:26] <kantlivelong> anyone know why df shows disk size as 17TB with 20K used and 16TB free? its a 64bit ext4 fs
[21:26] <kantlivelong> /dev/mapper/backupdata-data   17T   20K   16T   1% /mnt/backupdata
[21:26] <gordonjcp> erio: reading the rust website it sounds like you download something and pipe it into a shell, which sounds like an accident waiting to happen and does rather put me off the whole idea
[21:26] <kantlivelong> cant imagine 1TB in reserve
[21:27] <kantlivelong> though lvs shows 16.37TB
[21:27] <alkisg> bjrohan: do you see a menu somewhat like this? https://i.stack.imgur.com/RP1EM.png
[21:27] <erio> gordonjcp
[21:27] <erio> yeah
[21:27] <erio> exactly
[21:27] <erio> I was wondering if there is a way of not do that
[21:28] <erio> gordonjcp, I really didn't want to pipe things in shell
[21:29] <alkisg> erio: isn't this rust, which is available in the repositories? https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=rust
[21:29] <alkisg> i.e. apt-get install rustc?
[21:29] <gordonjcp> alkisg: it doesn't appear to be in 16.04
[21:29] <alkisg> https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/rustc
[21:29] <alkisg> That's 16.04 there
[21:29] <erio> yeah, was wondering if anyone has installed and tested
[21:29] <gordonjcp> alkisg: weird
[21:30] <erio> because it looks like an older version
[21:30] <bjrohan> alkisg, That is similar to what I was seeing, except it was tiny letters (4k screen), and said ubuntu 17.10, install, something about OEM. This time pressing e got the splash screen I went t ooptions and set the nomodeset
[21:30] <erio> with nodejs you kind install the old
[21:30] <gordonjcp> alkisg: it wasn't showing up a few minutes ago
[21:30] <erio> it comes with npm
[21:30] <erio> and then npm updates nodejs to the newest
[21:30] <gordonjcp> alkisg: <slaps forehead> It wasn't showing up on the 14.04 machine I was sshed into
[21:30] <gordonjcp> I'll just shut up now
[21:30] <alkisg> bjrohan: when you press "e" you're supposed to get a small editor to edit the boot commands, not a splash screen...
[21:30] <bjrohan> it booted further, now an error that busybox v1.22.1 initramfs unable to find a medium containing a live file system . .
[21:30] <erio> I don't know if rust there is something like that to update later
[21:30] <bjrohan> alkisg, All I get is the splash now
[21:31] <bjrohan> when pressin e
[21:31] <bjrohan> when do I press e
[21:31] <alkisg> gordonjcp: it's supposed to be available in 14.04 as well... /me shrugs
[21:31] <alkisg> bjrohan: just to make sure, can you select e.g. memtest?
[21:32] <gordonjcp> alkisg: probably in universe?
[21:32] <alkisg> gordonjcp: https://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/rustc => yes, universe
[21:33] <alkisg> (10:55:18 μμ) bjrohan: set gfxpayload = keep ==> that's where you're supposed to put nomodeset, at that menu
[21:34] <alkisg> bjrohan: linux /casper/vmlinuz.efi file=/cdrom/preseed/ubuntu.seed boot=casper nomodeset
[21:36] <bjrohan> alkisg, there is a memtest I can do on the splash screen
[21:37] <bjrohan> alkisg, do that 1st? on the splash I can press F6 other options, and it looks like I can just enable them
[21:37] <alkisg> bjrohan: now it sounds like you switched from efi mode to legacy mode
[21:37] <alkisg> The efi menu is this, and it doesn't have memtest: https://i.stack.imgur.com/jf7aV.jpg
[21:38] <alkisg> bjrohan: anyway, yes press f6 and enable nomodeset
[21:38] <bjrohan> alkisg, That is what I was seeing
[21:38] <bjrohan> ok
[21:38] <alkisg> The legacy BIOS menu is this: https://i.stack.imgur.com/X6dvz.png
[21:38] <bjrohan> alkisg, pressing F6 and enabling nomodeset is what got me to the busybox page / error
[21:39] <bjrohan> FWIW acpi=off on the F6 option
[21:40] <bjrohan> runnng the ubuntu memtest now FWIW
[21:41] <alkisg> bjrohan: did you understand what you did and you are now booting in legacy bios mode with syslinux, instead of the previous uefi mode with grub?
[21:41] <bjrohan> alkisg, not really. What should I be booting in, I will try to change it in BIOS
[21:42] <alkisg> bjrohan: the same as you have in windows, I assume uefi
[21:42] <Thyriaen> i just installed minimal ubunutu 17.10 on my x1 carbon (2017) and shutting it down does not turn of the computer
[21:42] <bjrohan> alkisg, and secure boot on or off
[21:42] <bjrohan> alkisg, I changed NOTHING in bios, and now I am back to the 2nd screenshot you sent me
[21:42] <alkisg> bjrohan: temporarily switch it off, just in case
[21:43] <bjrohan> Text saying Try Ubuntu, Install ubuntu, OEM etc
[21:43] <alkisg> bjrohan: grub says grub on top. Is this grub?
[21:43] <bjrohan> It does say GRUB
[21:43] <bjrohan> version 2.02~beta3
[21:43] <bjrohan> WTH
[21:44] <alkisg> OK... then your pc supports both uefi and legacy, and somehow you switch between them, either ...randomly or with a boot loader menu like f12
[21:44] <alkisg> bjrohan: and if you press enter there, you get black screen?
[21:44] <alkisg> bjrohan: if so, try e and nomodeset
[21:44] <bjrohan> alkisg, I get the error messages in text, no solid black screen
[21:44] <bjrohan> I will try pressin e now
[21:44] <alkisg> What error messages?
[21:45] <bjrohan> alkisg, I get the one of like 12 lines that says something like bad USB cord
[21:45] <alkisg> bjrohan: can you try this stick in another pc?
[21:45] <alkisg> If it boots there, it might be a drivers (modules) issue
[21:46] <alkisg> If not, it might be a broken stick
[21:46] <alkisg> (e.g. badly created with rufus)
[21:46] <Thyriaen> the my laptop does not fully turn off - it just gets stuck here : https://imgur.com/a/A9MH3
[21:46] <bjrohan> alkisg, I pressed e at that grub menu, it now lists: try ubuntu: things about gfxpayload, boot = /casper quiet splash
[21:46] <bjrohan> but I am not seeing how to enter the nomodeset
[21:46] <alkisg> bjrohan: if it doesn't find the stick,nomodeset won't help
[21:46] <bjrohan> alkisg, I can't test on another machine for a couple of hours
[21:46] <alkisg> nomodeset would be to cure the black screen
[21:47] <alkisg> bjrohan: actually,
[21:47] <alkisg> do you now have a busybox shell?
[21:47] <bjrohan> I can CTRL-C and get the grub Comman line
[21:47] <bjrohan> grub>
[21:47] <alkisg> No, ignore grub for now, go to busybox
[21:47] <bjrohan> alkisg, how
[21:47] <alkisg> bjrohan: when you try to boot "normally", didn't you say it shows errors about the usb cord?
[21:48] <alkisg> At that point, doesn't it give you a prompt like initramfs> ?
[21:48] <bjrohan> alkisg, yes
[21:48] <bjrohan> alkisg, it does not give me a prompt
[21:48] <bjrohan> let me try I think it just hangs
[21:48] <alkisg> Hrm. Can you upload a screenshot?
[21:49] <bjrohan> alkisg, https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMTdRXCp4rlunvoUsQkwFlYutq9Ov_nNGkIuAgS
[21:49] <alkisg> bjrohan: bad url, it says
[21:49] <alkisg> 404
[21:50] <bjrohan> https://photos.app.goo.gl/zIFAU33xsSYT4vsc2
[21:50] <Lelando> Hello, I am using Ubuntu 16.04 and I am putting in place a patching strategy. Besides landscape, what is a commonly used approach to approving updates and pushing to nodes?
[21:50] <bjrohan> lemme try another USB port?
[21:51] <Thyriaen> i just installed minimal ubunutu 17.10 on my x1 carbon (2017) and shutting it down does not turn of the computer  - it just gets stuck here : https://imgur.com/a/A9MH3 any ideas ?
[21:51] <alkisg> Sure, if that doesn't work then try noacpi (with e in grub again)
[21:52] <alkisg> Thyriaen: try removing the tlp service, it's causing various issues
[21:52] <alkisg> Or disable it by editing /etc/default/tlp, TLP_ENABLE=0
[21:53] <bjrohan> alkisg, I do have USB support enabled in the BIOS FWIW
[21:54] <bjrohan> alkisg, Boot list option in BIOS I have UEFI marked (vs legacy)
[21:54] <Thyriaen> alkisg, but i would like those advanced energy saving features - they increase battery time, no ?
[21:55] <bjrohan> alkisg, when I press f12 and get the menu I have 2 options Legacy boot (M.2 PCIe and the USB storage, as well as UEFI Boot: Sandisk Partition 1
[21:55] <bjrohan> looks like I can do either or?
[21:56] <bjrohan> Boot mode is set to UEFI Secure boot: off
[21:56] <alkisg> Thyriaen: first, see if that solves the issue. Then, you'll know what to blame. Once you're in the position to say that "i want tlp but it blocks shutdown",file a bug report
[21:57] <Thyriaen> alkisg, good idea thanks - will try it
[21:57] <alkisg> bjrohan: yeah those are the 2 different options, although you seem to be having either a driver issue or a usb issue
[21:57] <alkisg> bjrohan: try noacpi, and also try in another pc or with a different method to create the stick, like dd
[21:58] <alkisg> !noacpi
[21:58] <bjrohan> alkisg, Just selectd the noacpi from the splash screen, got the ubunut logo with dots, then DESKTOP!!!
[21:59] <bjrohan> alkisg, Will try to proceed, if I do install anything I need to do special given these struggles
[21:59] <alkisg> bjrohan: it would be better NOT to install in legacy mode
[22:00] <alkisg> Check if you have a vfat partition, the efi system partition
[22:00] <alkisg> That would mean that your windows is in uefi mode
[22:00] <alkisg> So, you'd need to install ubuntu in uefi mode too
[22:00] <alkisg> I.e. to put acpi=off in grub, not from the splash screen menu
[22:01] <superherointj> Hello. Ubuntu 17.10 doesn't let me set BLACK as desktop background color.
[22:01] <superherointj> How can I set black as desktop background color?
[22:02] <bjrohan> alkisg, when I made the USB in rufus I selected UEFI or Legacy I think, redo rufus with UEFI only?
[22:02] <bjrohan> alkisg, I do have 3 partitions from my windows install
[22:02] <superherointj> I did try using a tool called Tweaks.
[22:04] <alkisg> bjrohan: you don't need to redo the stick, just select the uefi mode while booting
[22:04] <superherointj> It shouldn't be this hard to change a background color... this is so basic.
[22:05] <alkisg> bjrohan: time for me to go, so, remember, you need uefi and noacpi to boot it. Later on you can try with acpi_osi=Linux or something to get around the noacpi issue. /me waves
[22:05] <bjrohan> alkisg, but I can't seem to get it to boot that way
[22:06] <ufsjcap> oi
[22:07] <ufsjcap> seus fdpt
[22:07] <ufsjcap> vao td tomar no cu
[22:07] <superherointj> ufsjcap, por que?
[22:08] <ufsjcap> por que sim q raiva
[22:08] <ufsjcap> caralho vei
[22:08] <ufsjcap> voces ao fazem ada direito
[22:08] <superherointj> O que houve?
[22:13] <Lelando> hello! I am looking for a common patching strategy, can anyone shed some light on how they do this in a server environment? I am testing as if I have production and sandbox servers in my lab
[22:16] <mutante> Lelando: using puppet
[22:16] <Lelando> mutante: I have Chef, what is the procedure you use in puppet?
[22:16] <mutante> and then having role classes with something like "if $realm is labs, then use test values/names". or better, with Hiera
[22:17] <Lelando> mutante: do you have puppet run on an interval?
[22:17] <mutante> so you could say in a puppet class, for example a parameter is the host_name and then you say it should get the value in Hiera, and you can have a different setting for labs and prod
[22:17] <mutante> Lelando: yea, cron, but randomized minute so it doesnt run on all at once
[22:18] <mutante> (some random minute within the next 30 minutes i think)
[22:18] <Lelando> mutante: how do you trigger the production updates?
[22:18] <mutante> what kind of updates
[22:18] <Lelando> mainly security im looking at
[22:19] <mutante> changes to a config file? new package versions?
[22:19] <Lelando> for example, id like unattended-upgrades to go like once a week in sandbox, and then every 2 weeks in prod. does that make sense?
[22:20] <Lelando> but id like to trigger production at a specific time that I can watch to make sure no issues come up. im not sure if thats best practice?
[22:20] <mutante> config file changes: change it in puppet repo, merge, run puppet or wait for it to run.  package upgrades:  manually, definitely not fully automatic in production, only automatic in labs
[22:20] <mutante> you don't want that surprise PHP upgrade in prod on the weekend.. be careful with unattended
[22:21] <mutante> if you have lots of servers i would still do it manually just use something that lets me run commands on lot of servers at once, remote execution
[22:21] <mutante> and then do them in groups
[22:21] <Lelando> puppet is used for that too?
[22:22] <mutante> Lelando: for unattended upgrades? well, yea, it sets up the config for that, but only in labs
[22:22] <Lelando> mutante: I mean for the remote execution in prod to do an update
[22:23] <Lelando> once lab tested
[22:23] <mutante> Lelando: no, for that there are tools like "dsh, salt, cumin"
[22:23] <mutante> like "run command on many hosts at once via ssh or other"
[22:23] <Lelando> mutante: what do you use?
[22:23] <Younder> salt stack is good
[22:23] <mutante> nowadays "cumin". it replaced salt for us
[22:23] <Younder> I am using ansible myself, but salt stck is supposed to scale better
[22:24] <mutante> https://doc.wikimedia.org/cumin/master/introduction.html
[22:24] <Younder> My 'cluster' is a mere 10 Pi-2's so I don't care
[22:24] <ghostboarder> hi all, i know this will be a bit of a rhetorical question, but why the heck cant i just get through an install of LXLE? It always finds some creative spot in the process to stop dead
[22:25] <mutante> with salt there were sometimes issues like you run a command on "*" but then some "minions" never reply and you can't be sure it really ran on ALL, and if you repeat it you get a different number of hosts
[22:25] <ghostboarder> in a VM, no issues. Boot from DVD on a laptop, gets all the way to "Creating User" (sometimes, not always), and then basically freezes
[22:25] <Younder> ghostboarder, come one dude, that shit is ancient
[22:25] <ghostboarder> lol wut?
[22:25] <ghostboarder> i mean the ubuntu derived OS
[22:26] <ghostboarder> to be more specific
[22:26] <Lelando> mutante: to summarize, you run unattended-upgrades in sandbox environments every X minutes with puppet, in prod you run cumin to do any updates assuming no issues arise in sandbox?
[22:28] <ghostboarder> if you can provide any reason why i shouldnt use the latest rev (16) of it, from this year, i might add.....then im all ears. But its not ancient by any means
[22:28] <ghostboarder> im leaning over to installing Mint instead, this is just such a nightmare
[22:29] <JoeRW> ghostboarder: I'm sorry, I'm now just looking at the chat. What's going on bud?
[22:29] <JoeRW> ghostboarder: Why the "jumping ship" so to speak?
[22:30] <JoeRW> ghostboarder: I mean, is there anything I can help you with to make your Ubuntu experience better?
[22:30] <ghostboarder> HI JoeRW: i am trying to install LXLE on a laptop
[22:30] <ghostboarder> and it has been just a terrible experience. It runs fine in a VM or live, but the install always crashes
[22:31] <ghostboarder> but in a VM, its great.....low footprint and still gives me all the tools i need
[22:31] <ghostboarder> surprised this channel isnt hopping with all the users!
[22:33] <JoeRW> ghostboarder: Have you tried reading this article: http://landoflinux.com/linux_install_lxle_1404.html
[22:33] <JoeRW> ghostboarder: It seems to be pretty straight forward.
[22:34] <ghostboarder> JoeRW: it certainly seems to be.....but im my case for one reason or another it isnt
[22:34] <melon_> Hello, everyone! Can you watch this message?
[22:34] <ghostboarder> im installing on a fairly speedy laptop with an ssd, the install takes a long time (over an hour) and atm its hung at "Creating User", which it does every time
[22:35] <ghostboarder> despite me having followed the admittedly simple instructions to a tee
[22:35] <JoeRW> Which version of Ubuntu are you trying to install?
[22:35] <ghostboarder> 16.04.3 LXLE
[22:35] <JoeRW> Sorry, I meant have you already installed. *
[22:35] <ghostboarder> im installing directly from dvd
[22:35] <Bashing-om> ghostboarder: A thought . acpu issues ? see if : http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html applies .
[22:36] <Bashing-om> acpi*
[22:36] <ghostboarder> it IS an amd-a10 cpu, cant see why that would be an issue
[22:37] <JoeRW> Why not just save yourself the headache and install Lubuntu?
[22:37] <JoeRW> http://lubuntu.me/downloads/
[22:39] <ghostboarder> ok, im not married to LXLE, but i loved the fact it is so lightweight
[22:39] <JoeRW> By doing that, you'll be able to install the 17.10 version.
[22:40] <JoeRW> Well, if that's the case, I think Lubuntu 17.10 would be a nice complement for you then.
[22:40] <mlabbe_> Hello. I have a new install and it hangs on "fb: switching to noveaufb" from VESA VGA.  How do I disable noveaufb?
[22:41] <mlabbe_> I tried adding "nomodeset noveau.modeset=0" to my grub and running update-grub but it doesn't seem to have an effect
[22:41] <mlabbe_> I also tried GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nomodeset"
[22:41] <mlabbe_> I am runing LTS 1604 server
[22:47] <ghostboarder> ok thanks for the help JoeR
[22:47] <ghostboarder> W
[22:47] <ghostboarder> :)
[22:51] <JoeRW> ghostboarder:  No problem man!
[22:52] <melon_> 
[23:13] <sdellysse> Hi everyone, I just install a fresh copy of 17.10, my packages are up to date, but the ssh-agent isn't working
[23:13] <Mathisen> sdellysse, define not working
[23:14] <sdellysse> I do `ssh-add`, it prompts me for my id_rsa passphrase, then says `Could not add identity "/home/shawn/.ssh/id_rsa": communication with agent failed`
[23:14] <sdellysse> when I run `env | grep -i ssh` I see the gnome-keyring-daemon var
[23:15] <sdellysse> env  | grep -i ssh -> SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/run/user/1000/keyring/ssh
[23:16] <sdellysse> All googling on this issues suggests that I uninstall gnome-keyring-daemon and run a barebones ssh-agent, but I'd rather not
[23:16] <Mathisen> hmm
[23:17] <Mathisen> try to run " ssh-agent /bin/sh  && ssh-add whatever "
[23:17] <sdellysse> Oh I think I might have found out why
[23:17] <sdellysse> I'm using an ecdsa521 key
[23:18] <sdellysse> I also had a custom name for it (id_personal_ecdsa521) but renamed it to id_rsa for debugging purposes
[23:19] <sdellysse> it looks like gnome-keyring-daemon doesn't support these kinds of keys?
[23:31] <sdellysse> @Mathisen, yup, turns out it's that
[23:31] <sdellysse> the ECDSA algorithm type
[23:31] <sdellysse> thanks for attempting to help
[23:32] <Richard_Cavell> Hi everyone. I'm interested in playing with parted, to learn about partitioning, but I'm worried about borking my system.
[23:32] <Richard_Cavell> Is there a way that I can play with it where I can be sure that I won't?
[23:32] <Mathisen> Richard_Cavell, create a VM
[23:33] <Richard_Cavell> Yeah, that should be safe.
[23:33] <Richard_Cavell> Ubuntu-inside-Ubuntu perhaps?
[23:33] <Mathisen> if you like yeah, or why not try to new grounds when you are @ it with some other distro
[23:36] <sdellysse> Richard_Cavell: one thing that may be of usefulness is to use vm snapshotting
[23:36] <sdellysse> before you do any major changes, to keep from having to re-install the vm if you accidentally mess it up, just snapshot first
[23:36] <sdellysse> and you can rollback to it if you do mess up
[23:37] <Richard_Cavell> Hmmm. I'm not sure which channel to ask this on, but I'm going to need a lightweight distro to run inside (since my computer is 11 years old)
[23:37] <sdellysse> how much ram do you have?
[23:38] <Mathisen> Richard_Cavell, plenty to choose from, depends on how complex you want the install to be
[23:38] <Richard_Cavell> sdellysse: 3 gigs
[23:39] <Richard_Cavell> Mathisen: It's for the express purpose of playing with parted.
[23:39] <sdellysse> Hmm, it's gonna be a bit tight on 3gb, but you should be able to run pretty much anything
[23:40] <Mathisen> Richard_Cavell, well Knoppix,archlinux,puppy linuc,lubuntu,debian,pixel
[23:40] <Mathisen> thats a few all lightweight
[23:40] <Mathisen> have fun
[23:40] <sdellysse> If you wanna keep with Ubuntu-style distros, which I'm assuming if you're learning about partitioning you probably won't wanna learn something else at the same time, Xubuntu is a bit more lightweight but still feature filled
[23:42] <Richard_Cavell> Okay I'm going to take a shot at installing one of these.  Thanks for the advice guys
[23:42] <sdellysse> Good luck!