| ventrical | just hanging in and out , about my desktop.. | 02:51 |
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| ventrical | I noticed that the technical baord meeting is Dec 5th 20:00 hours London time. is that UTC ? I'm just tryin to convert to EST. | 02:53 |
| ventrical | the unity7 maintainers team is trying to have Ubuntu Unity Experience become an official flavor. | 02:55 |
| ventrical | I thought this would be a good forum to start a discussion about it | 02:55 |
| sarnold | there's a chance that with daylight saving time or summertime or whatever they call it in london, the time might sometimes line up with UTC; but as a general principle, you can't assume time in london is UTC | 02:57 |
| ventrical | thanks... I just want to make sure I am on time to attend the meeting | 02:57 |
| sarnold | if your favourite time conversion tool doesn't have UTC as an option, just pick reykjavik, iceland; they are on UTC and very sensibly don't change their time zone offset all the time | 02:57 |
| sarnold | or you could run 'date -u' and do the math, but that's the kind of math that I usually screw up :) | 02:58 |
| ventrical | 20:00 would then be 5:00pm EST across the pond.. I don't want to assume a wrong time and the wikis are hardly ever always right | 02:58 |
| sarnold | oh sigh I went on my usual UTC rant, but you've explicitly NOT got UTC to work with. heh. sorry :) | 03:01 |
| jbicha | sarnold: during WWII, there was British Double Summer Time to make things more confusing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Summer_Time | 03:11 |
| sarnold | "His original proposal was to move the clocks forward by 80 minutes, in 20-minute weekly steps on Sundays in April and by the reverse procedure in September | 03:11 |
| sarnold | this man had a plan to employ clock-changers, didn't he? :) | 03:12 |
| Unit193 | sarnold: Why think? Make `date` do that for you! date -d "Dec 5 20:00 UTC" | 04:15 |
| Unit193 | sarnold: Also, if you did that, can I complain about us using daylight savings too? | 04:17 |
| sarnold | Unit193: and how much thinking did it take to put the date into a form date(1) would accept? :) | 04:20 |
| Unit193 | Not that bad, backspace 'th' | 04:20 |
| sarnold | Unit193: and by all means complain about DST! with luck we'll be rid of it before I die | 04:20 |
| sarnold | Unit193: okay, now, for your next trick, tell it that that date is in "london time" rather than UTC :) | 04:21 |
| Unit193 | sarnold: Doubt it, in my lifetime Indiana picked it up...It confused me as a child when we went to visit family and sometimes the date changed, sometimes not! | 04:21 |
| Unit193 | sarnold: And, uh...In a pretty way? | 04:22 |
| Unit193 | sarnold: Because there has to be a better way than date -d "$(TZ=Europe/London date -ud "Dec 5 20:00")" :D | 04:23 |
| sarnold | rofl | 04:23 |
| sarnold | that's cheeky | 04:23 |
| sarnold | ten points :D | 04:23 |
| * sarnold idly wonders if the ~dozen people who know how to use the date/time databases for the top five or six operating systems banded together and refused to update them any furher, if we could force govts worldwide to end the madness | 04:24 | |
| tsimonq2 | Timezone question that's always made me curious: TZ=US/Central or TZ=America/Chicago? | 04:25 |
| tsimonq2 | sarnold: hahahahahahahahahahahahaha | 04:25 |
| ventrical | ok.. so I figure 20:00 london time is 4:pm EST? doh | 05:10 |
| ventrical | I can just see it now .. :) | 05:10 |
| ventrical | I'll show up and nobody will be there because they alread had the meeting. :) | 05:11 |
| jbicha | ventrical: it's winter so London is UTC | 05:11 |
| ventrical | you're atlantic? | 05:12 |
| ventrical | Thanks .. 3:00pm EST | 05:14 |
| ventrical | Dec. 5th | 05:14 |
| slangasek | sarnold: if these governments haven't flinched when the clocks on Ubuntu systems have been wrong for a month after their 11th hour DST changes, I don't think there's much hope of them seeing sense | 05:15 |
| slangasek | not to mention embedded systems that don't see tzdata updates nearly as often as Ubuntu | 05:15 |
| ventrical | it's kind of woerd they would be having a meeting at 8:00pm. Isn't that second tea time.? :) | 05:15 |
| slangasek | the meeting time is set to London TZ for reference | 05:16 |
| slangasek | the members in attendance are not based in London | 05:16 |
| ventrical | ahh .. yes .. I figured that :( heheheh .. | 05:16 |
| ventrical | well .. I just figured it ou tnow.. | 05:17 |
| sarnold | slangasek: uhhh.. has _my_ clock been off for a month? L:) | 05:17 |
| slangasek | sarnold: no, you live in a tier-two autocracy, you only see TZ calvinball once every 20 years | 05:17 |
| sarnold | lol | 05:18 |
| ventrical | eheheh .. Ikeep thinking it is like this huge building with all thee guys and gals in suites and ties | 05:18 |
| sarnold | ventrical: something like 98% of folks work from home. best notto think about the clothing much. | 05:18 |
| ventrical | bwhahahah.. | 05:18 |
| slangasek | I'm wearing a vintage Ubuntu tshirt today, thankyouverymuch | 05:19 |
| tsimonq2 | slangasek: which? ;D | 05:20 |
| ventrical | @jbicha thanks | 05:21 |
| udevbot | Error: "jbicha" is not a valid command. | 05:21 |
| ventrical | #jbicha thanks | 05:22 |
| ventrical | whatever.. need to do irc more :) | 05:22 |
| ventrical | used to chat on the fidonet all night in early 1990s.. over a quater of a century ago..geesh.. | 05:24 |
| slangasek | tsimonq2: jaunty ;P | 05:24 |
| tsimonq2 | slangasek: ohh, back in the days where Ubuntu was brown, cool! ;) | 05:25 |
| ventrical | hardy heron | 05:26 |
| tsimonq2 | Funny enough, today I wore my Zapus t-shirt | 05:27 |
| sarnold | ventrical: man fido was good stuff. I still get nostalgic for it sometiems, even though what we've got now is so much better.. | 05:30 |
| ventrical | yes .. so true.. we laid all teh groundwork there.. even Linus and the linux_chat.. I remeber he invited me to test his first boot disk that didn't boot:) | 05:32 |
| ventrical | I had two BBSes.. The Binary Star and the Night Owl BBS and I was using WWIV and Telix BBS software but I had my own network and was not an NEC of Fido. | 05:39 |
| sarnold | I was more or less just a user, my bbs op pal set me up with software to let me run a node of some sort with him as upstream ... good fun. | 05:40 |
| ventrical | So the guys from FIDO had real probles with the community hubs (echos) becasue nobody wanted to do anyhting - so they asked me adn I got a lot of forums rolling back then. | 05:40 |
| sarnold | 'binary star' sound familiar, heh. was it just an awesome name (it is) that many used? or I wonder if I ran into yours somewhere along the way | 05:42 |
| ventrical | forgive my spelling.. long night .. just getting started .. my prof used to tell me - "the best programs are wrote between the hours of 10:30pm and 4:30 am. | 05:42 |
| sarnold | when I wa a student I think _all_ my programs, good and bad, were written between those hours. :) | 05:43 |
| ventrical | In my LAN it was used alot. There was no real internet back then | 05:43 |
| ventrical | most people were using Pegasus softwar which was Original ASP - Association of Shareware Professionals.. sort of like the beggining of FOSS;) | 05:45 |
| ventrical | But FIDO ws a great network and then usenet came along. One good thing MS DOS 5.0 was good for was running BBS software. | 05:46 |
| ventrical | We had to use Vax UNIX. It was just awfully slow. | 05:47 |
| ventrical | I actually made my first propose back then for what is now known as MS system restore.. but they did no t build it the way I mapped out (I got the old 60mb segate that it is on but I'm not digging it out) so I had this beautiful concept eh.. | 05:50 |
| ventrical | and if you did proof of concept back then , every body thought you were a black hat. | 05:52 |
| ventrical | so I would try to help MS develop IE responsibly and they would have none of it, and then i woul dhave to clean the subsequent malware.. and I'm still doing it today.. | 05:55 |
| ventrical | I am so thankul I found Ubuntu. | 05:55 |
| ventrical | I remember MicorSoft Wordstar and Calcstar for the Sanyo MBC550. It was really very awesome back then. | 06:01 |
| ventrical | I used to repair Space Invaders and other arcade games :) | 06:02 |
| ventrical | zzzzzzzzzzzzz | 06:03 |
| ventrical | :) | 06:03 |
| ventrical | Just to clarifiy , I never developed FIDO software but I added content to their waning echos at their request, so the contribution was in social engeneering development and computer concept development, none of what has anything to do with launcpad I confess. | 06:29 |
| ventrical | launchpad | 06:29 |
| ventrical | launchpad to me is not a difficult case to deal with if I have the correct pointers -so I have recruited some to guide me further in this adventure. | 06:31 |
| ventrical | I had done some version changes and it had been mentioned that this is no treally bug fixing , agreed , but they did not mention how quickly I spotted the code and that was requested late in the last cycle. Then it was suggested that we not use this process any longer and so I am in waiting mode as t owhich way this will all go. | 06:35 |
| ventrical | Most bugs on launchpad are calls to obsolete packages and then upgrading the code to point to new versions of objects, processes and services. | 06:38 |
| ventrical | And of course correcting typos and tracing them. | 06:39 |
| ventrical | So it is still top down , bottom up, but with a larger flag quota becasue of the functions and processes involved and the cavceats of the hardware drivers. | 06:41 |
| ventrical | caveats | 06:41 |
| ventrical | and is why I am here .. to stand to be corrected.. | 06:56 |
| ventrical | :) | 06:56 |
| ventrical | so.. just for a test case .. does anyone want to point me to a critical bug, say , ie; a compiz bug and give me the link to the file and the code? | 07:00 |
| ventrical | no takers ? :) | 07:07 |
| ventrical | hi seagull | 07:27 |
| ventrical | hey .. sorry for being off topic.. :) | 08:09 |
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| jbicha | auto-sync looks stuck 😢 | 11:19 |
| LocutusOfBorg | interesting jbicha | 12:09 |
| LocutusOfBorg | Rejected: | 12:10 |
| LocutusOfBorg | crack 5.0a-11 in buster (same version already has published binaries in the destination archive) | 12:10 |
| LocutusOfBorg | this is probably why it is stuck | 12:10 |
| LocutusOfBorg | syncpackage: sooperlooper 1.7.3~dfsg0-3 in buster (same version already has | 12:11 |
| LocutusOfBorg | same issue here | 12:11 |
| jbicha | no I don't think that's the problem at all | 12:12 |
| jbicha | the last Debian package to be imported was shadowsocks-libev from what I can tell | 12:13 |
| LocutusOfBorg | but why they were removed from ubuntu? | 12:17 |
| jbicha | check the publishing history | 12:22 |
| jbicha | but those removed packages that won't be autosynced is normal and shouldn't cause a problem | 12:23 |
| jbicha | they just need to be manually reviewed eventually whether we want them back in Ubuntu | 12:23 |
| LocutusOfBorg | they aren't blacklisted, just removed because they were in -proposed or stuck | 12:24 |
| LocutusOfBorg | so now the same version can't go in Ubuntu | 12:24 |
| LocutusOfBorg | or mismatching tarball | 12:24 |
| LocutusOfBorg | I'm reviewing them manually | 12:24 |
| jbicha | I mean if you look at old auto-sync logs, you'll see similar examples | 12:27 |
| LocutusOfBorg | yep I see | 12:33 |
| LocutusOfBorg | not sure what happened :( | 12:34 |
| jbicha | maybe LP had trouble reaching the Debian mirror | 12:35 |
| jbicha | we could ping someone, but it's not that urgent for me on a Saturday | 12:35 |
| LocutusOfBorg2 | test | 12:46 |
| LocutusOfBorg | it works :) | 12:47 |
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| ventrical | goodmorning all | 13:34 |
| ventrical | err goodfaternoon to across the pond | 13:34 |
| ventrical | hi locutusofborg | 13:37 |
| ventrical | I believe you can help me with some matters but I may be away from my terminal soon.. | 13:37 |
| LocutusOfBorg | ventrical, ? | 13:41 |
| ventrical | yes it is me.. | 13:41 |
| LocutusOfBorg | what is the issue | 13:41 |
| ventrical | uh.. I was talking with simon.. the issue would be about upload rights .. etc for the unity7 project | 13:42 |
| LocutusOfBorg | mmm I don't understand what you are talking about, but I can't give you upload rights :) | 13:42 |
| ventrical | well.. perhaps you should talk to simon, because I have to be away from the terminal .. something about packaging | 13:43 |
| LocutusOfBorg | tsimonq2, you mean? | 13:43 |
| ventrical | we are tryin gto get unity to become an official flavor | 13:43 |
| LocutusOfBorg | unity? so sad, I hope to see it disappear soon :) | 13:44 |
| ventrical | yes tsimonq2 | 13:44 |
| LocutusOfBorg | anyhow, I have zero knowledge on flavors... | 13:44 |
| LocutusOfBorg | you can use ppa and ask tsimonq2 to upload for you? and then ask him to advocate you for PPU | 13:44 |
| ventrical | ok.. well I guess you can't help us then.. | 13:44 |
| LocutusOfBorg | I didn't see a question there :) | 13:45 |
| LocutusOfBorg | is unity in main? tsimonq2 has universe rights, so he can already help you | 13:45 |
| ventrical | not yet.. | 13:45 |
| LocutusOfBorg | so you want an unity MIR? | 13:45 |
| ventrical | unity-session is already in universe.. of .. gotta go.. thanks | 13:46 |
| ventrical | no not mir.. | 13:46 |
| LocutusOfBorg | in this case, I can help with uploads maybe | 13:46 |
| LocutusOfBorg | please MIR is different from mir | 13:46 |
| LocutusOfBorg | MIR means "moved to main" | 13:46 |
| ventrical | yes .. maybe uploads.. I'll be haging out later on .. hope to catch up with you.. thanks | 13:46 |
| ventrical | MIR moved to main .. yes .. thats it. | 13:46 |
| LocutusOfBorg | I won't be there :) | 13:46 |
| LocutusOfBorg | until monday | 13:47 |
| LocutusOfBorg | ok fine for main, if release team accept it | 13:47 |
| ventrical | yep .. on monday .. ttyl | 13:47 |
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| ventrical | ok .. back .. so the long and short of it all.. if Ubuntu Unity Experience becomes official flavor we get to use Ubuntu Development Verisoin testing forum where we have a crack team of tester and bug reporters.. I can put more light on it.. but if it stays in the mud as a remix it will be hard for it to get the love it needs so that it can reach it's full potential..n | 21:08 |
| ventrical | Version Testing.. | 21:10 |
| ventrical | Just a reminder to all to try and get to the Technical Board meeting and speak up about unity7 as you will. thanks. There will be a meeting of the Technical Board - The next meeting is set for 2017-12-05, 20:00 London time: We meet in channel #ubuntu-meeting-2 on chat.freenode.net. | 21:26 |
| ventrical | I don't expect that all these bugs will be fixed by Tuesday https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/NotDefaultIssues and I do no tthink it is a matter of competence. | 21:40 |
| Unit193 | Hmm...Need a core dev.. | 22:27 |
| slangasek | ventrical: "Ubuntu Development Version testing forum"? What is this? | 22:41 |
| Unit193 | Gah, I meant to link https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+sourcepub/8538825/+listing-archive-extra once it was up. | 23:31 |
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