[02:51] just hanging in and out , about my desktop.. [02:53] I noticed that the technical baord meeting is Dec 5th 20:00 hours London time. is that UTC ? I'm just tryin to convert to EST. [02:55] the unity7 maintainers team is trying to have Ubuntu Unity Experience become an official flavor. [02:55] I thought this would be a good forum to start a discussion about it [02:57] there's a chance that with daylight saving time or summertime or whatever they call it in london, the time might sometimes line up with UTC; but as a general principle, you can't assume time in london is UTC [02:57] thanks... I just want to make sure I am on time to attend the meeting [02:57] if your favourite time conversion tool doesn't have UTC as an option, just pick reykjavik, iceland; they are on UTC and very sensibly don't change their time zone offset all the time [02:58] or you could run 'date -u' and do the math, but that's the kind of math that I usually screw up :) [02:58] 20:00 would then be 5:00pm EST across the pond.. I don't want to assume a wrong time and the wikis are hardly ever always right [03:01] oh sigh I went on my usual UTC rant, but you've explicitly NOT got UTC to work with. heh. sorry :) [03:11] sarnold: during WWII, there was British Double Summer Time to make things more confusing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Summer_Time [03:11] "His original proposal was to move the clocks forward by 80 minutes, in 20-minute weekly steps on Sundays in April and by the reverse procedure in September [03:12] this man had a plan to employ clock-changers, didn't he? :) [04:15] sarnold: Why think? Make `date` do that for you! date -d "Dec 5 20:00 UTC" [04:17] sarnold: Also, if you did that, can I complain about us using daylight savings too? [04:20] Unit193: and how much thinking did it take to put the date into a form date(1) would accept? :) [04:20] Not that bad, backspace 'th' [04:20] Unit193: and by all means complain about DST! with luck we'll be rid of it before I die [04:21] Unit193: okay, now, for your next trick, tell it that that date is in "london time" rather than UTC :) [04:21] sarnold: Doubt it, in my lifetime Indiana picked it up...It confused me as a child when we went to visit family and sometimes the date changed, sometimes not! [04:22] sarnold: And, uh...In a pretty way? [04:23] sarnold: Because there has to be a better way than date -d "$(TZ=Europe/London date -ud "Dec 5 20:00")" :D [04:23] rofl [04:23] that's cheeky [04:23] ten points :D [04:24] * sarnold idly wonders if the ~dozen people who know how to use the date/time databases for the top five or six operating systems banded together and refused to update them any furher, if we could force govts worldwide to end the madness [04:25] Timezone question that's always made me curious: TZ=US/Central or TZ=America/Chicago? [04:25] sarnold: hahahahahahahahahahahahaha [05:10] ok.. so I figure 20:00 london time is 4:pm EST? doh [05:10] I can just see it now .. :) [05:11] I'll show up and nobody will be there because they alread had the meeting. :) [05:11] ventrical: it's winter so London is UTC [05:12] you're atlantic? [05:14] Thanks .. 3:00pm EST [05:14] Dec. 5th [05:15] sarnold: if these governments haven't flinched when the clocks on Ubuntu systems have been wrong for a month after their 11th hour DST changes, I don't think there's much hope of them seeing sense [05:15] not to mention embedded systems that don't see tzdata updates nearly as often as Ubuntu [05:15] it's kind of woerd they would be having a meeting at 8:00pm. Isn't that second tea time.? :) [05:16] the meeting time is set to London TZ for reference [05:16] the members in attendance are not based in London [05:16] ahh .. yes .. I figured that :( heheheh .. [05:17] well .. I just figured it ou tnow.. [05:17] slangasek: uhhh.. has _my_ clock been off for a month? L:) [05:17] sarnold: no, you live in a tier-two autocracy, you only see TZ calvinball once every 20 years [05:18] lol [05:18] eheheh .. Ikeep thinking it is like this huge building with all thee guys and gals in suites and ties [05:18] ventrical: something like 98% of folks work from home. best notto think about the clothing much. [05:18] bwhahahah.. [05:19] I'm wearing a vintage Ubuntu tshirt today, thankyouverymuch [05:20] slangasek: which? ;D [05:21] @jbicha thanks [05:21] Error: "jbicha" is not a valid command. [05:22] #jbicha thanks [05:22] whatever.. need to do irc more :) [05:24] used to chat on the fidonet all night in early 1990s.. over a quater of a century ago..geesh.. [05:24] tsimonq2: jaunty ;P [05:25] slangasek: ohh, back in the days where Ubuntu was brown, cool! ;) [05:26] hardy heron [05:27] Funny enough, today I wore my Zapus t-shirt [05:30] ventrical: man fido was good stuff. I still get nostalgic for it sometiems, even though what we've got now is so much better.. [05:32] yes .. so true.. we laid all teh groundwork there.. even Linus and the linux_chat.. I remeber he invited me to test his first boot disk that didn't boot:) [05:39] I had two BBSes.. The Binary Star and the Night Owl BBS and I was using WWIV and Telix BBS software but I had my own network and was not an NEC of Fido. [05:40] I was more or less just a user, my bbs op pal set me up with software to let me run a node of some sort with him as upstream ... good fun. [05:40] So the guys from FIDO had real probles with the community hubs (echos) becasue nobody wanted to do anyhting - so they asked me adn I got a lot of forums rolling back then. [05:42] 'binary star' sound familiar, heh. was it just an awesome name (it is) that many used? or I wonder if I ran into yours somewhere along the way [05:42] forgive my spelling.. long night .. just getting started .. my prof used to tell me - "the best programs are wrote between the hours of 10:30pm and 4:30 am. [05:43] when I wa a student I think _all_ my programs, good and bad, were written between those hours. :) [05:43] In my LAN it was used alot. There was no real internet back then [05:45] most people were using Pegasus softwar which was Original ASP - Association of Shareware Professionals.. sort of like the beggining of FOSS;) [05:46] But FIDO ws a great network and then usenet came along. One good thing MS DOS 5.0 was good for was running BBS software. [05:47] We had to use Vax UNIX. It was just awfully slow. [05:50] I actually made my first propose back then for what is now known as MS system restore.. but they did no t build it the way I mapped out (I got the old 60mb segate that it is on but I'm not digging it out) so I had this beautiful concept eh.. [05:52] and if you did proof of concept back then , every body thought you were a black hat. [05:55] so I would try to help MS develop IE responsibly and they would have none of it, and then i woul dhave to clean the subsequent malware.. and I'm still doing it today.. [05:55] I am so thankul I found Ubuntu. [06:01] I remember MicorSoft Wordstar and Calcstar for the Sanyo MBC550. It was really very awesome back then. [06:02] I used to repair Space Invaders and other arcade games :) [06:03] zzzzzzzzzzzzz [06:03] :) [06:29] Just to clarifiy , I never developed FIDO software but I added content to their waning echos at their request, so the contribution was in social engeneering development and computer concept development, none of what has anything to do with launcpad I confess. [06:29] launchpad [06:31] launchpad to me is not a difficult case to deal with if I have the correct pointers -so I have recruited some to guide me further in this adventure. [06:35] I had done some version changes and it had been mentioned that this is no treally bug fixing , agreed , but they did not mention how quickly I spotted the code and that was requested late in the last cycle. Then it was suggested that we not use this process any longer and so I am in waiting mode as t owhich way this will all go. [06:38] Most bugs on launchpad are calls to obsolete packages and then upgrading the code to point to new versions of objects, processes and services. [06:39] And of course correcting typos and tracing them. [06:41] So it is still top down , bottom up, but with a larger flag quota becasue of the functions and processes involved and the cavceats of the hardware drivers. [06:41] caveats [06:56] and is why I am here .. to stand to be corrected.. [06:56] :) [07:00] so.. just for a test case .. does anyone want to point me to a critical bug, say , ie; a compiz bug and give me the link to the file and the code? [07:07] no takers ? :) [07:27] hi seagull [08:09] hey .. sorry for being off topic.. :) === g2` is now known as philphil === philphil is now known as g2` === g2` is now known as doubuu === doubuu is now known as william [11:19] auto-sync looks stuck 😢 [12:09] interesting jbicha [12:10] Rejected: [12:10] crack 5.0a-11 in buster (same version already has published binaries in the destination archive) [12:10] this is probably why it is stuck [12:11] syncpackage: sooperlooper 1.7.3~dfsg0-3 in buster (same version already has [12:11] same issue here [12:12] no I don't think that's the problem at all [12:13] the last Debian package to be imported was shadowsocks-libev from what I can tell [12:17] but why they were removed from ubuntu? [12:22] check the publishing history [12:23] but those removed packages that won't be autosynced is normal and shouldn't cause a problem [12:23] they just need to be manually reviewed eventually whether we want them back in Ubuntu [12:24] they aren't blacklisted, just removed because they were in -proposed or stuck [12:24] so now the same version can't go in Ubuntu [12:24] or mismatching tarball [12:24] I'm reviewing them manually [12:27] I mean if you look at old auto-sync logs, you'll see similar examples [12:33] yep I see [12:34] not sure what happened :( [12:35] maybe LP had trouble reaching the Debian mirror [12:35] we could ping someone, but it's not that urgent for me on a Saturday [12:46] test [12:47] it works :) === william is now known as idlenick === idlenick is now known as g2` [13:34] goodmorning all [13:34] err goodfaternoon to across the pond [13:37] hi locutusofborg [13:37] I believe you can help me with some matters but I may be away from my terminal soon.. [13:41] ventrical, ? [13:41] yes it is me.. [13:41] what is the issue [13:42] uh.. I was talking with simon.. the issue would be about upload rights .. etc for the unity7 project [13:42] mmm I don't understand what you are talking about, but I can't give you upload rights :) [13:43] well.. perhaps you should talk to simon, because I have to be away from the terminal .. something about packaging [13:43] tsimonq2, you mean? [13:43] we are tryin gto get unity to become an official flavor [13:44] unity? so sad, I hope to see it disappear soon :) [13:44] yes tsimonq2 [13:44] anyhow, I have zero knowledge on flavors... [13:44] you can use ppa and ask tsimonq2 to upload for you? and then ask him to advocate you for PPU [13:44] ok.. well I guess you can't help us then.. [13:45] I didn't see a question there :) [13:45] is unity in main? tsimonq2 has universe rights, so he can already help you [13:45] not yet.. [13:45] so you want an unity MIR? [13:46] unity-session is already in universe.. of .. gotta go.. thanks [13:46] no not mir.. [13:46] in this case, I can help with uploads maybe [13:46] please MIR is different from mir [13:46] MIR means "moved to main" [13:46] yes .. maybe uploads.. I'll be haging out later on .. hope to catch up with you.. thanks [13:46] MIR moved to main .. yes .. thats it. [13:46] I won't be there :) [13:47] until monday [13:47] ok fine for main, if release team accept it [13:47] yep .. on monday .. ttyl === g2` is now known as william [21:08] ok .. back .. so the long and short of it all.. if Ubuntu Unity Experience becomes official flavor we get to use Ubuntu Development Verisoin testing forum where we have a crack team of tester and bug reporters.. I can put more light on it.. but if it stays in the mud as a remix it will be hard for it to get the love it needs so that it can reach it's full potential..n [21:10] Version Testing.. [21:26] Just a reminder to all to try and get to the Technical Board meeting and speak up about unity7 as you will. thanks. There will be a meeting of the Technical Board - The next meeting is set for 2017-12-05, 20:00 London time: We meet in channel #ubuntu-meeting-2 on chat.freenode.net. [21:40] I don't expect that all these bugs will be fixed by Tuesday https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/NotDefaultIssues and I do no tthink it is a matter of competence. [22:27] Hmm...Need a core dev.. [22:41] ventrical: "Ubuntu Development Version testing forum"? What is this? [23:31] Gah, I meant to link https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+sourcepub/8538825/+listing-archive-extra once it was up.