[02:51] <ventrical> just hanging in and out , about my desktop..
[02:53] <ventrical> I noticed that the technical baord meeting is Dec 5th 20:00 hours London time. is that UTC ?  I'm just tryin to convert to EST.
[02:55] <ventrical> the unity7 maintainers team  is trying to have Ubuntu Unity Experience become an official flavor.
[02:55] <ventrical> I thought this would be a good forum to start a discussion about it
[02:57] <sarnold> there's a chance that with daylight saving time or summertime or whatever they call it in london, the time might sometimes line up with UTC; but as a general principle, you can't assume time in london is UTC
[02:57] <ventrical> thanks...  I just want to make sure  I am on time to attend the meeting
[02:57] <sarnold> if your favourite time conversion tool doesn't have UTC as an option, just pick reykjavik, iceland; they are on UTC and very sensibly don't change their time zone offset all the time
[02:58] <sarnold> or you could run 'date -u' and do the math, but that's the kind of math that I usually screw up :)
[02:58] <ventrical> 20:00 would then be  5:00pm EST across the pond.. I don't want to assume a wrong time and the wikis are hardly ever always right
[03:01] <sarnold> oh sigh I went on my usual UTC rant, but you've explicitly NOT got UTC to work with. heh. sorry :)
[03:11] <jbicha> sarnold: during WWII, there was British Double Summer Time to make things more confusing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Summer_Time
[03:11] <sarnold> "His original proposal was to move the clocks forward by 80 minutes, in 20-minute weekly steps on Sundays in April and by the reverse procedure in September
[03:12] <sarnold> this man had a plan to employ clock-changers, didn't he? :)
[04:15] <Unit193> sarnold: Why think?  Make `date` do that for you!  date -d "Dec 5 20:00 UTC"
[04:17] <Unit193> sarnold: Also, if you did that, can I complain about us using daylight savings too?
[04:20] <sarnold> Unit193: and how much thinking did it take to put the date into a form date(1) would accept? :)
[04:20] <Unit193> Not that bad, backspace 'th'
[04:20] <sarnold> Unit193: and by all means complain about DST! with luck we'll be rid of it before I die
[04:21] <sarnold> Unit193: okay, now, for your next trick, tell it that that date is in "london time" rather than UTC :)
[04:21] <Unit193> sarnold: Doubt it, in my lifetime Indiana picked it up...It confused me as a child when we went to visit family and sometimes the date changed, sometimes not!
[04:22] <Unit193> sarnold: And, uh...In a pretty way?
[04:23] <Unit193> sarnold: Because there has to be a better way than  date -d "$(TZ=Europe/London date -ud "Dec 5 20:00")" :D
[04:23] <sarnold> rofl
[04:23] <sarnold> that's cheeky
[04:23] <sarnold> ten points :D
[04:24]  * sarnold idly wonders if the ~dozen people who know how to use the date/time databases for the top five or six operating systems banded together and refused to update them any furher, if we could force govts worldwide to end the madness
[04:25] <tsimonq2> Timezone question that's always made me curious: TZ=US/Central or TZ=America/Chicago?
[04:25] <tsimonq2> sarnold: hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
[05:10] <ventrical> ok.. so I figure 20:00 london time is 4:pm EST? doh
[05:10] <ventrical> I can just see it now .. :)
[05:11] <ventrical> I'll show up and nobody will be there because they alread had the meeting. :)
[05:11] <jbicha> ventrical: it's winter so London is UTC
[05:12] <ventrical> you're atlantic?
[05:14] <ventrical> Thanks .. 3:00pm EST
[05:14] <ventrical> Dec. 5th
[05:15] <slangasek> sarnold: if these governments haven't flinched when the clocks on Ubuntu systems have been wrong for a month after their 11th hour DST changes, I don't think there's much hope of them seeing sense
[05:15] <slangasek> not to mention embedded systems that don't see tzdata updates nearly as often as Ubuntu
[05:15] <ventrical> it's kind of woerd they would be having a meeting at 8:00pm. Isn't that second tea time.? :)
[05:16] <slangasek> the meeting time is set to London TZ for reference
[05:16] <slangasek> the members in attendance are not based in London
[05:16] <ventrical> ahh .. yes .. I figured that :( heheheh ..
[05:17] <ventrical> well .. I just figured it ou tnow..
[05:17] <sarnold> slangasek: uhhh.. has _my_ clock been off for a month? L:)
[05:17] <slangasek> sarnold: no, you live in a tier-two autocracy, you only see TZ calvinball once every 20 years
[05:18] <sarnold> lol
[05:18] <ventrical> eheheh .. Ikeep thinking it is like this huge building with all thee guys and gals in suites and ties
[05:18] <sarnold> ventrical: something like 98% of folks work from home. best notto think about the clothing much.
[05:18] <ventrical> bwhahahah..
[05:19] <slangasek> I'm wearing a vintage Ubuntu tshirt today, thankyouverymuch
[05:20] <tsimonq2> slangasek: which? ;D
[05:21] <ventrical> @jbicha thanks
[05:21] <udevbot> Error: "jbicha" is not a valid command.
[05:22] <ventrical> #jbicha thanks
[05:22] <ventrical> whatever.. need to do irc more :)
[05:24] <ventrical> used to chat on the fidonet all night in early 1990s.. over a quater of a century ago..geesh..
[05:24] <slangasek> tsimonq2: jaunty ;P
[05:25] <tsimonq2> slangasek: ohh, back in the days where Ubuntu was brown, cool! ;)
[05:26] <ventrical> hardy heron
[05:27] <tsimonq2> Funny enough, today I wore my Zapus t-shirt
[05:30] <sarnold> ventrical: man fido was good stuff. I still get nostalgic for it sometiems, even though what we've got now is so much better..
[05:32] <ventrical> yes .. so true.. we laid all teh groundwork there.. even Linus  and the linux_chat.. I remeber he invited me to test his first boot disk that didn't boot:)
[05:39] <ventrical> I had two BBSes.. The Binary Star and the Night Owl BBS and I was using WWIV and Telix BBS software but I had my own network and was not an NEC of Fido.
[05:40] <sarnold> I was more or less just a user, my bbs op pal set me up with software to let me run a node of some sort with him as upstream ... good fun.
[05:40] <ventrical> So the guys from FIDO had real probles with the community hubs (echos) becasue nobody wanted to do anyhting - so they asked me  adn I got a lot of forums rolling back then.
[05:42] <sarnold> 'binary star' sound familiar, heh. was it just an awesome name (it is) that many used? or I wonder if I ran into yours somewhere along the way
[05:42] <ventrical> forgive my spelling.. long night .. just getting started .. my prof used to tell me - "the best programs are wrote between the hours of 10:30pm and 4:30 am.
[05:43] <sarnold> when I wa a student I think _all_ my programs, good and bad, were written between those hours. :)
[05:43] <ventrical> In my LAN it was used alot. There was no real internet back then
[05:45] <ventrical> most people were using Pegasus softwar which was Original ASP - Association of Shareware Professionals.. sort of like the beggining of FOSS;)
[05:46] <ventrical> But FIDO ws a great network and then usenet came along. One good thing MS DOS 5.0 was good for was running BBS software.
[05:47] <ventrical> We had to use Vax UNIX. It was just awfully slow.
[05:50] <ventrical> I  actually made my first propose back then for  what is now known as MS system restore.. but they did no t build it the way I mapped out (I got the old 60mb segate that it is on but I'm not digging it out) so I had this beautiful concept  eh..
[05:52] <ventrical> and if you did proof of concept back then , every body thought you were a black hat.
[05:55] <ventrical> so I would try to help MS develop IE responsibly and they would have none of it, and then i woul dhave to clean the subsequent malware.. and I'm still doing it today..
[05:55] <ventrical> I am so thankul I found Ubuntu.
[06:01] <ventrical> I remember MicorSoft Wordstar and Calcstar for the Sanyo MBC550. It was really very awesome back then.
[06:02] <ventrical> I used to repair Space Invaders and other arcade games :)
[06:03] <ventrical> zzzzzzzzzzzzz
[06:03] <ventrical> :)
[06:29] <ventrical> Just to clarifiy , I never developed FIDO software but I added content to their waning echos at their request, so the contribution  was in social engeneering development and computer concept development, none of what has anything to do with launcpad I confess.
[06:29] <ventrical> launchpad
[06:31] <ventrical> launchpad to me is not a difficult case to deal with if I have the correct pointers -so I have recruited some to guide me further in this adventure.
[06:35] <ventrical> I had done some version changes and it had been mentioned that this is no treally bug fixing , agreed , but they did not mention how quickly I spotted the code and that was requested late in the last cycle. Then it was suggested that we not use this process any longer and so I am in waiting mode as t owhich way this will all go.
[06:38] <ventrical> Most bugs on launchpad  are calls to obsolete packages and then upgrading the code to point to new versions of objects, processes and services.
[06:39] <ventrical> And of course correcting typos and tracing them.
[06:41] <ventrical> So it is still top down , bottom up, but with a larger flag quota  becasue of the functions and processes involved and the cavceats of the hardware drivers.
[06:41] <ventrical> caveats
[06:56] <ventrical> and is why I am here .. to stand to be corrected..
[06:56] <ventrical> :)
[07:00] <ventrical> so.. just for a test case .. does anyone want to point me to a critical bug, say , ie; a compiz bug and give me the link to the file and the code?
[07:07] <ventrical> no takers ? :)
[07:27] <ventrical> hi seagull
[08:09] <ventrical> hey .. sorry for being off topic.. :)
[11:19] <jbicha> auto-sync looks stuck 😢
[12:09] <LocutusOfBorg> interesting jbicha
[12:10] <LocutusOfBorg> Rejected:
[12:10] <LocutusOfBorg> crack 5.0a-11 in buster (same version already has published binaries in the destination archive)
[12:10] <LocutusOfBorg> this is probably why it is stuck
[12:11] <LocutusOfBorg> syncpackage:   sooperlooper 1.7.3~dfsg0-3 in buster (same version already has
[12:11] <LocutusOfBorg> same issue here
[12:12] <jbicha> no I don't think that's the problem at all
[12:13] <jbicha> the last Debian package to be imported was shadowsocks-libev from what I can tell
[12:17] <LocutusOfBorg> but why they were removed from ubuntu?
[12:22] <jbicha> check the publishing history
[12:23] <jbicha> but those removed packages that won't be autosynced is normal and shouldn't cause a problem
[12:23] <jbicha> they just need to be manually reviewed eventually whether we want them back in Ubuntu
[12:24] <LocutusOfBorg> they aren't blacklisted, just removed because they were in -proposed or stuck
[12:24] <LocutusOfBorg> so now the same version can't go in Ubuntu
[12:24] <LocutusOfBorg> or mismatching tarball
[12:24] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm reviewing them manually
[12:27] <jbicha> I mean if you look at old auto-sync logs, you'll see similar examples
[12:33] <LocutusOfBorg> yep I see
[12:34] <LocutusOfBorg> not sure what happened :(
[12:35] <jbicha> maybe LP had trouble reaching the Debian mirror
[12:35] <jbicha> we could ping someone, but it's not that urgent for me on a Saturday
[12:46] <LocutusOfBorg2> test
[12:47] <LocutusOfBorg> it works :)
[13:34] <ventrical> goodmorning all
[13:34] <ventrical> err goodfaternoon to across the pond
[13:37] <ventrical> hi locutusofborg
[13:37] <ventrical> I believe you can help me with some matters but I may be away from my terminal soon..
[13:41] <LocutusOfBorg> ventrical, ?
[13:41] <ventrical> yes it is me..
[13:41] <LocutusOfBorg> what is the issue
[13:42] <ventrical> uh.. I was talking with simon.. the issue would be about upload rights .. etc  for the unity7 project
[13:42] <LocutusOfBorg> mmm I don't understand what you are talking about, but I can't give you upload rights :)
[13:43] <ventrical> well.. perhaps you should talk to  simon, because I have to be away from the terminal .. something about packaging
[13:43] <LocutusOfBorg> tsimonq2, you mean?
[13:43] <ventrical> we are tryin gto get unity to become an official flavor
[13:44] <LocutusOfBorg> unity? so sad, I hope to see it disappear soon :)
[13:44] <ventrical> yes tsimonq2
[13:44] <LocutusOfBorg> anyhow, I have zero knowledge on flavors...
[13:44] <LocutusOfBorg> you can use ppa and ask tsimonq2 to upload for you? and then ask him to advocate you for PPU
[13:44] <ventrical> ok.. well I guess you can't help us then..
[13:45] <LocutusOfBorg> I didn't see a question there :)
[13:45] <LocutusOfBorg> is unity in main? tsimonq2 has universe rights, so he can already help you
[13:45] <ventrical> not yet..
[13:45] <LocutusOfBorg> so you want an unity MIR?
[13:46] <ventrical> unity-session is already in universe.. of .. gotta go.. thanks
[13:46] <ventrical> no not mir..
[13:46] <LocutusOfBorg> in this case, I can help with uploads maybe
[13:46] <LocutusOfBorg> please MIR is different from mir
[13:46] <LocutusOfBorg> MIR means "moved to main"
[13:46] <ventrical> yes .. maybe uploads.. I'll be haging out later on .. hope to catch up with you.. thanks
[13:46] <ventrical> MIR moved to main .. yes .. thats it.
[13:46] <LocutusOfBorg> I won't be there :)
[13:47] <LocutusOfBorg> until monday
[13:47] <LocutusOfBorg> ok fine for main, if release team accept it
[13:47] <ventrical> yep .. on monday .. ttyl
[21:08] <ventrical> ok .. back .. so the long and short of it all.. if Ubuntu Unity Experience becomes official flavor we get to use Ubuntu Development Verisoin testing forum where we have a crack team of tester  and bug reporters.. I can put more light on it.. but if it stays in the mud as a remix it will be hard for it to  get the love it needs so that it can reach it's full potential..n
[21:10] <ventrical> Version Testing..
[21:26] <ventrical> Just a reminder to all to try and get to the Technical Board meeting and speak up about unity7  as you will. thanks. There will be a meeting of the Technical Board - The next meeting is set for 2017-12-05, 20:00 London time: We meet in channel #ubuntu-meeting-2 on chat.freenode.net.
[21:40] <ventrical> I don't expect that all these bugs will be fixed by Tuesday  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/NotDefaultIssues  and I do no tthink it is a matter of competence.
[22:27] <Unit193> Hmm...Need a core dev..
[22:41] <slangasek> ventrical: "Ubuntu Development Version testing forum"?  What is this?
[23:31] <Unit193> Gah, I meant to link https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+sourcepub/8538825/+listing-archive-extra once it was up.