[00:15] <adam5isalive> Hey, anyone have an idea why libert qemu is showing up as a user i can login as?
[00:15] <adam5isalive> I cant get rid of the damn thing
[07:03] <jnxd> Hello, failing to run a live cd here. Could anyone help? I can see plymouth for a while, then the (arrow) cursor, and then all of a sudden a flashing underscore
[07:03] <jnxd> after that t stays there till I run out of patience
[07:05] <diogenes_> did you have any success booting live previously?
[07:05] <jnxd> can boot antergos and vanilla ubuntu
[07:05] <jnxd> 17.10 for all ubuntus
[07:06] <diogenes_> and what version you trying now
[07:06] <jnxd> 17.10
[07:07] <diogenes_> so it booted before but doesn't boot now?
[07:09] <jnxd> no. I can't boot Ubuntu Mate specifically (not trying anything else). I can boot Antergos and Ubuntu 16.10 vanilla
[07:11] <diogenes_> looks like incompatibility, have you got amd graphics?
[07:12] <jnxd> nvidia, with a ryzen
[07:13] <alkisg> jnxd: i've seen a similar issue in installed systemd, because mate uses graphics mode for grub, and some cards choke that way
[07:13] <alkisg> jnxd: but for the live cd, I don't think mate has  any difference at all, from boot to login
[07:13] <alkisg> The differences come after login... so it sounds very strange if you can boot 17.10 ubuntu but not 17.10 ubuntu mate
[07:14] <alkisg> Is this the case?
[07:14] <alkisg> systemd => meant systems there
[07:14] <diogenes_> you could try nomodeset
[07:14] <jnxd> Yes exactly that
[07:15] <alkisg> jnxd: ok, are you booting in uefi=grub=text mode, or in legacy=pxelinux=graphics mode?
[07:15] <diogenes_> or acpi=off
[07:16] <jnxd> Things go south usually at the point when any non liveusb install would ask for username/password
[07:16] <jnxd> diogenes_: How do I do that?
[07:17] <diogenes_> jnxd, on your installation media look for gr8b.cfg
[07:18] <jnxd> This while plugged on another PC, I assume?
[07:18] <jnxd> BTW, I can switch TTYs
[07:18] <jnxd> if that helps at all
[07:19] <alkisg> Do you get a shell in those ttys?
[07:19] <diogenes_> are you using usb?
[07:19] <jnxd> I need the login
[07:19] <jnxd> diogenes_: yes
[07:19] <alkisg> The login is ubuntu and enter
[07:19] <alkisg> ...i think
[07:20] <alkisg> You didn't answer about the uefi or legacy bios mode, the instructions for nomodeset differ in those cases
[07:20] <alkisg> !nomodeset
[07:21] <jnxd> alkisg: sorry about that. It appears my bios only supports uefi. I personally prefer legacy since I just have to make a boot partition
[07:39] <alkisg> jnxd: ok, then you see grub while you boot from the live usb, so press e there
[07:40] <alkisg> You'll see something like https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNSt0n_ESM2glnQqCIE__SHs3LuZAxwAx8GTXzk-sGgzOhEVAPqmzd0hsyh27BrLg?key=bDZwSkVWRGpMeG1zQWxiTHpnblJfVmMwdm5SdG1B
[07:40] <alkisg> ...replace quiet splash there with nomodeset, and press f10 to continue booting
[07:42] <jnxd> Somehow got to nomodeset
[07:42] <alkisg> Hey Mr_Cyclops
[07:42] <Mr_Cyclops> Hello, I am on UM 17.10 and need to change the ugly default green login screen, but can't any such tool installed as was present in the earlier versions, any clues please? thank you
[07:42] <Mr_Cyclops> hey alkisg  :_)
[07:42] <Mr_Cyclops> :)
[07:43] <jnxd> now it's in the wrong aspect ratio. Is that because of nomodeset?
[07:46] <alkisg> jnxd: yes; proceed with the installation, and you'll fix that in the installed system
[07:48] <Mr_Cyclops> alkisg, got any ideas buddy? ;-)
[07:49] <alkisg> Mr_Cyclops: two :)
[07:50] <alkisg> Mr_Cyclops: the wallpaper is /usr/share/backgrounds/ubuntu-mate-common/Green-Wall-Logo.png
[07:50] <alkisg> You can either change the gsetting for that, or dpkg-divert that file and put something else in its place
[07:51] <alkisg> I don't know if there's any tool to do it from a GUI
[07:55] <Mr_Cyclops> alkisg, yeah, I had that in mind too, but was hoping there was a GUI tool, don't know why those developers keep changing the most basic stuff users use :-/
[07:55] <alkisg> Mr_Cyclops: for example, canonical decided to stop developing lightdm, that mate used
[07:56] <alkisg> This will in turn cause a lot of changes
[07:56] <Mr_Cyclops> Yes, well, what can we do :(
[07:57] <alkisg> (they decided to stop developing unity/lightdm etc etc, it was a more general decisions)
[07:58] <Mr_Cyclops> Allright then, I am gonna see how that worked (Changing the wallpaper), will be back in case it didn't, but then I dont see why it wouldnt anyway
[07:58] <Mr_Cyclops> thanks again
[07:59] <Mr_Cyclops> alkisg, I am back :) Well, the wallpaper thing worked like a charm!
[07:59] <jnxd> alkisg: Thanks
[07:59] <Mr_Cyclops> Any pointers on the font? I am just bit too finicky on the look and feel of my desktop :)
[09:01] <eloi> hello
[09:03] <eloi> salut
[09:06] <diogenes_> salut
[09:07] <eloi> Need help here
[09:07] <eloi> !help
[09:10] <Mr_Cyclops> alkisg, still there?
[09:12] <eloi> i want to change my name
[11:30] <Paddy_NI> I bought one of those FIDO U2F Security Keys and was wondering what the setup instructions are under Ubuntu Mate 17.10?
[12:21] <vfu> i have just installed unifi controller but i can not see were it has been stored. i can not open it. can you please help me on that
[12:26] <vfu> ???
[14:41] <Guest15954> hi guys, does anyone know how to reset the icon ordering in the plank dock?
[15:03] <Guest15954> never mind, found it. thanks
[21:50] <aus_mal> Hi all. Just wondering is there any downside to staying on MATE 1.12 or 1.14 for the duration of the 16.04 cycle, in terms of security?
[22:00] <Nitrigaur> Ubuntu-Mate 16.04.3 Window Manager defaults to Marco (Software Rendering). When I run mate-tweak I can set it to Compton(GPU rendering), but it does not save this setting. I want to totally remove the option for software rendering, so it cannot be the default anymore.
[22:01] <Nitrigaur> Correction: it does not save this setting across sessions
[22:03] <aus_mal> I see in the Compton Autostart thread in the forums you can add it to the startup applications, i.e just Compton without arguments
[22:06] <aus_mal> better to read the thread yourself as it specifies a step or two to perfom before adding it to Startup Apps
[22:06] <Nitrigaur> aus_mal, does this only apply to Mate? If starting a regular Unity session or i3 I don't want compton to be my Window Manager.
[22:07] <aus_mal> you've got me there! I'm pretty green myself, but when I was using MATE alongside Unity and i3 I would just Alt-F2 when starting MATE and type Compton.
[22:08] <Nitrigaur> aus_mal, the options in that thread are different. The option screen in 16.04 looks notably different.
[22:08] <aus_mal> what you're after would be much nicer of course..
[22:09] <Nitrigaur> Probably because 16.04 didn't exist yet when the article was written.
[22:09] <aus_mal> Do you mean the Startup or Tweak that is different.
[22:09] <Nitrigaur> The Tweak menu
[22:09] <aus_mal> Ah well, what it discusses is just setting the manager to Marco and then you don't deal with Tweak thereafter
[22:10] <aus_mal> features were added but no functionality was lost afaik
[22:11] <Nitrigaur> aus_mal, That is a bit problematic, as Tweak has two options: the default (Compton Software Rendering) and the Compton GPU accelarated. When I choose Compton GPU accelarated that setting will be active only for the session. Afterwards it will default to the stupid software option again.
[22:12] <Nitrigaur> aus_mal, I'd like to remove that option permanently.
[22:12] <aus_mal> that's what the rest of the thread discusses, making it so that Compton autostarts at each session.
[22:14] <Nitrigaur> That sounds like a workaround, rather than a solution. I consider this a blocker bug, since it will slow down the system to an unusable state.\
[22:15] <alkisg> org.mate.session.required-components windowmanager 'marco'
[22:15] <alkisg> you could probably set compton there with gsettings, google that setting
[22:16] <Nitrigaur> alkisg, thank you, this will surely come in handy.
[22:16] <aus_mal> I think alkisg's suggestion may well be a solution
[22:17] <aus_mal> and specific to mate too, awesome!
[22:18] <Nitrigaur> Still, I'm baffled that the software option is still the default and that it does not automatically set it to GPU when a GPU has been detected. Mine is a bog-standard GPU, the nVidia 1060
[22:19] <aus_mal> exactly, it should remember the choice across sessions
[22:19] <Nitrigaur> indeed, I'm going to file a bug if it does not already exist.
[22:19] <Nitrigaur> It might be a recession or so.
[22:20] <aus_mal> seems there has been one on github
[22:21] <aus_mal> looks like it happens to those on other distros and those with multiple desktop environments
[22:26] <Nitrigaur> alkisg, this schema business with key sounds almost like the windows registry. Not something I'm fond of. I'll look into it to see the required command-line to set this option
[22:28] <Nitrigaur> alkisg, is gsettings user-context sensitive or can I force system-wide settings using root?
[22:28] <aus_mal> can also be set with dconf-editor if installed
[22:28] <Nitrigaur> aus_mal, ah, so it's the same database that is accessed?
[22:30] <alkisg> Nitrigaur: gsettings are for the system and for the user, depending where you put them
[22:30] <alkisg> A simple gsettings set command affects only the user
[22:31] <alkisg> A gschema or an override or a mandatory gsetting affect all users
[22:31] <alkisg> Nitrigaur: first of all try a simple gsettings set org.mate.session.required-components windowmanager compton, to see if it works
[22:31] <alkisg> or google it...
[22:33] <ian> hi
[22:33] <alkisg> Yes, the windows registry and the new gsettings/dconf settings are binary based settings for faster access
[22:33] <Nitrigaur> alkisg, the gsetting command works, but if it is user-context sensitive, I rather apply it system-wide.
[22:33] <alkisg> Very good in concept; I would provide a text-based interface for that though, similar to what the kernel does with /sys
[22:34] <alkisg> Nitrigaur:  ls /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/*over*
[22:34] <Nitrigaur> alkisg, I want to spare a) my other users from having an unresponsive desktop , b) me from having to address those calls to my office as sysadmin.
[22:34] <alkisg> Those are override files, you can create a similar one and call glib-compile-schemas to update the binary database
[22:35] <alkisg> Or you could google for "mandatory gsettings" which are documented in gnome and go to /etc, but it might be a bit more complex
[22:35] <Nitrigaur> alkisg, yes, to expose it as a custom fs would be my preferred solution as well, similar to proc or sys
[22:35] <alkisg> Do not try gsettings as root, that would set only the option for root when he logs in to the desktop, which he never should
[22:36] <Nitrigaur> alkisg, I'm not afraid of complexity, I just want to provide a solid solution that will hold across updates, i.e.: not a simple hack ;-)
[22:37] <alkisg> Nitrigaur: sure. Personally I have a .deb package with all my settings, which I deploy to my users
[22:37] <alkisg> This provides all the default or overriden gsettings i need
[22:37] <Nitrigaur> alkisg, I could do that as well with Ansible.
[22:39] <alkisg> There are numerous ways to do it, use your preferred one. For example dpkg -S /path/to/file tells me that this file belongs to my package, I really appreciate that part.
[22:39] <alkisg> While just throwing files around with ansible or anything, makes things a bit unmaintainable imho
[22:39] <Nitrigaur> alkisg, yes, pride in your work :-)
[22:41] <alkisg> debsums -s tells me that all files in my system are md5sum-correct, etc etc. Package management is the best for me. :)
[22:45] <Nitrigaur> alkisg, sure, but the best way imho. would be to setup a private repo within the confines of the firewall and include them in your standard image. that way you only have to update the files in your private repo an apt automatically keeps your users up-to-date.
[22:50] <Nitrigaur> alkisg, I have changed the settings both in dconf-editor and in gsettings. I will log in and out and see if the setting sticks this time.
[22:51] <Nitrigaur> alkisg, thank you so much for your suggestions :-)
[22:54] <Nitrigaur> alkisg,no, the setting still defaults to marco software rendering, also referred to as fail-safe. In my case it's more like sure-fail (if selected)
[23:02] <Nitrigaur> alkisg, All the real solutions (gsettings and dconf-editor) have failed so far. I'm going to abolish use of Mate for now, until these options work reliably. Too bad, I like the desktop environment and several of my users also like the layout.
[23:40] <aus_mal> Hi, is there any easy way to upgrade 16.04 to MATE 1.14 instead of 1.16?