[02:49] <B105PH3RE> question about custom x sessions Icon= doesn't seem to be working is there a certain file size or pixel width I need to have for this to work?
[02:50] <B105PH3RE> currently its a 64x64 color transparent PNG
[03:01] <CuChulaind> I'm back :-). With UEFI enabled on my new laptop, Iam unable to boot the live USB, or change any of the boot options. I get the screen for try ubuntu, install ubunut, OEM etc
[03:01] <CuChulaind> When I attempt to try it I get the following errors: https://photos.app.goo.gl/HQXkPLCrTzynNAZp1
[03:22] <hdon_> hi all :) any advice for someone who wants to sneakernet updates and new packages from apt?
[03:22] <bazhang> hdon_, do you have an existing ubuntu install
[03:23] <bazhang> hdon_, something like aptoncd?
[03:23] <bazhang> !aptoncd
[03:24] <hdon_> bazhang: i have an ubuntu xenial install that is connected to the inet, and an ubuntu server xenial install that is not connected.
[03:25] <hdon_> bazhang: ahhh cool thanks :)
[03:26] <CuChulaind> how do I add the "noacpi" when using a liveUSB? I get that I press the e key at the try or install ubuntu to drop to the editor, but what / where do I pt the command
[03:26] <CuChulaind> Is it noacpi or acpi=off?
[03:26] <hdon_> CuChulaind: is this a kernel parameter?
[03:27] <CuChulaind> I believe so, someone was helping me earlier and I did get the legacy boot to work while on the splash screen using F6 and checking the noacpi option
[03:27] <CuChulaind> Now I am in the UEFI mode where I have to do it manually I assume
[03:27] <CuChulaind> Doing this got it to boot in Legacy
[03:28] <hdon_> CuChulaind: assuming your usb drive is using grub, you could mount your usb drive, modify your kernel parameters and reinstall grub to the usb drive's MBR. that is, if you can't find a way to interrupt grub to enter in adhoc parameters.
[03:28] <CuChulaind> I have a new dell xps 15, and left to the default boot, it just hangs
[03:28] <hdon_> oh, so you probably want to try out different parameters... probably don't use my suggestion then
[03:28] <CuChulaind> hdon_, It is using grub, and I can interupt it by pressing the e key and editing the boot params
[03:29] <hdon_> CuChulaind: you might check grub's options. sometimes grub is configured not to present any menu at all, or the delay before it boots with default options is too short. you could tweak those.
[03:29] <hdon_> CuChulaind: oh i'm sorry, i thought that was the part you were stuck on
[03:30] <CuChulaind> I'm here presently, which is a minimal Emacs like editor, according to the bottomof the screen
[03:30] <CuChulaind> https://photos.app.goo.gl/OhDW03qaYa4sgyMT2
[03:30] <hdon_> CuChulaind: try acpi=off if you think acpi is giving your trouble
[03:30] <CuChulaind> I'll try noacpi at the end of the linux line
[03:32] <CuChulaind> nada, still gives me an error usb usb2-port1: cannot enable
[03:32] <CuChulaind> this machine only has USB3
[03:32] <hdon_> CuChulaind: from what i understand, either one will work
[03:32] <CuChulaind> and thunderbolt,
[03:32] <hdon_> CuChulaind: have you tried google searches ffor your error message? be sure to try including your PC model.
[03:33] <CuChulaind> yeah
[03:33] <CuChulaind> AHH I got it
[03:33] <CuChulaind> dang
[03:33] <CuChulaind> just put it in the other USB port
[03:33] <CuChulaind> SHEESH
[03:34] <loganlee> https://pastebin.com/PAb1s54H
[03:36] <bazhang> loganlee, thats not needed here
[03:40] <CuChulaind> welp, no, I do need the ascpi=off command to boot correctly. SO now that I can get it to boot this way, after I install, what do I do to add this to the boot command
[03:40] <CuChulaind> and what does ascpi do?
[03:41] <CuChulaind> do I need it after I install all the proper drivers>
[03:43] <loganlee> CuChulaind, add to grub.conf
[03:43] <CuChulaind> thanks!
[03:43] <loganlee> np
[03:44] <CuChulaind> what is that command doing
[03:44] <CuChulaind> Seems it only works sometimes
[03:44] <CuChulaind> odd
[03:46] <CuChulaind> I think I'm putting the same command in, yet now it isn't booting
[03:52] <Mr_Cyclops> Hello. New Ubuntu 16.04 installation. Created a new user, but the user's home directory does not have .profile. What option did I miss while using useradd?
[04:10] <lordcirth> Mr_Cyclops, you shouldn't have needed an option, but you should be able to copy it from /etc/skel like it should have been.
[04:14] <Mr_Cyclops> hey lordcirth thanks ... stupid me, I didn't realize I was on the .sh shell :P, Switched to bash and all good ....
[04:22] <jyc> is gnome-terminal randomly segfaulting for anyone else?
[04:56] <lordcirth> jyc, I had gnome-terminal reliably segfault when attempting to run doomrl in it, if I recall correctly.
[05:20] <Doc-Saintly> Is there any service for on-demand paid service for ubuntu? I've been messing with the display on a remote machine for 2 weeks now and can't get anything to work. I'd happily pay to have this nonsense resolved.
[05:39] <prabhushakti> can someone help me make a backup plan for pc
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> stephenAB: are you on ubuntu?
[05:42] <stephenAB> of course
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> !backup | stephenAB
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> stephenAB: my personal opinion about backups, is just save your data on an external media (usb, harddisk,..)
[05:44] <Avere> Ubuntu Landscape needs a UA subscription for more than 10 machines. Should UA be bought for the server running landscape or for every machine?
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> stephenAB: something happens with your computer, you still have the external media
[05:44] <mittens> hi I upgraded ubuntu a few days ago and I don't know how to bring up that black box where u put commands in and stuff
[05:44] <mittens> I'm trying to download TOR
[05:44] <Avere> mittens:
[05:44] <mittens> pweese help
[05:44] <Avere> terminal?
[05:44] <mittens> YES that thing
[05:44] <mittens> terminal.
[05:45] <mittens> it used to show up when I do search
[05:45] <Avere> ctrl + alt + t
[05:45] <mittens> but now the search icon is gone on the left hand side
[05:45] <mittens> after the upgrade
[05:45] <mittens> oh thanku!
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> !landscape | Avere or perhaps the #ubuntu-server channel?
[05:46] <mittens> welp it did show up ><
[05:46] <mittens> thanx
[05:46] <mittens> anyone kind enough to throw me commands for installing TOR por favor
[05:47] <Avere> mittens: cmon dude you can google that
[05:47] <mittens> I googled and I got this page which looked scary and person in #freenode told me there's an easier way thru terminal
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> !google | Avere
[05:47] <mittens> https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en#ubuntu   <--- this page
[05:48] <mittens> it said I needed to do weird shit that sounded greek and scary xD
[05:48] <Avere> lotuspsychje: I know when to ask someone to use google because I've been a noob once too
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> mittens: plz keep the langue familly friendly
[05:49] <mittens> lotuspsychje : oh got it
[05:49] <Avere> But I learnt to google properly only after users told me what I was asking easy to google
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> Avere: lets just stick the the guidelines
[05:50] <mittens> Avere, I respect that, I just came here coz I googled and what I arrived at I couldn't understand
[05:50] <lotuspsychje> mittens: sudo apt install tor
[05:50] <stephenAB> clean your google data and control ads: https://myactivity.google.com/
[05:50] <mittens> https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en#ubuntu <--- this was the best I could find and it's really complicated
[05:50] <Avere> Fine, mittens what do you have trouble understanding. We'll go step by step
[05:51] <mittens> lotuspyschje ok I will type that thanku
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> stephenAB: pls dont do that here, only ubuntu support
[05:52] <mittens> Avere: I'm really new to everything, I have terminal open, thanks to u, and looks like lotus just gave me the commands so I will try that rn
[05:52] <lotuspsychje> mittens: i strongly suggest before testing tor, you read the ubuntu manual first
[05:53] <mittens> ubuntu manual
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> !manual | mittens
[05:53] <mittens> lotuspsychje: that sounds like a great idea, will do. And terminal seems to be downloading tor! thanx
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> mittens: your welcome
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> mittens: also welcome to the ubuntu community
[05:54] <mittens> :D
[05:54] <Avere> lotuspsychje: sudo apt install tor installs from the ubuntu repo right?
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> Avere: yes
[05:55] <Avere> From : https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en#ubuntu
[05:55] <Avere> "Do not use the packages in Ubuntu's universe. In the past they have not reliably been updated. That means you could be missing stability and security fixes."
[05:55] <donofrio> anyone here use remmina?  I'm wondering why I cannot connect thought freerdp on my powerpc install of ubuntu 16.04.3?  (cannot even debug it because nothing shows up in debug window - nothing at all!)
[05:55] <Avere> mittens: wait don't install yet
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> Avere: if you find a security issue in ubuntu, report a bug
[05:57] <Avere> I'm not talking about bugs in ubuntu. Even the tor website mentions not to install tor from the ubuntu repo
[05:58] <mittens> erm..
[05:59] <mittens> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/6ZVeGIVb/
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> Avere: if a package in ubuntu official repos is not secure anymore..report it to #ubuntu-hardened
[06:06] <jyc> lordcirth: I see, thanks! guess I will have to try find another wayland terminal :/
[06:18] <mittens> lotuspyschje
[06:18] <mittens> I'm scared
[06:19] <mittens> terminal said this: Setting up tor (0.3.0.10-1) ...
[06:19] <mittens> Something or somebody made /var/lib/tor disappear.
[06:19] <mittens> Creating one for you again.
[06:19] <mittens> Something or somebody made /var/log/tor disappear.
[06:19] <mittens> Creating one for you again.
[06:19] <mittens> who is making it disappear...
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> mittens: whats the reason you want to use tor exactly?
[06:21] <mittens> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/1HLzsNYE/
[06:21] <mittens> lotuspsychje, it's a personal matter, but if u must know, I'm trying to search doxbin for any doxed info
[06:26] <mittens> anyone know what I should be doing at this point?
[06:26] <mittens> after the ~$ at the end, light box is blinking
[06:27] <Avere> Has anyone deployed Ubuntu in their workplace and switched from Windows? How'd it go?
[06:27] <mittens> and I'm looking at the ubuntu manual - it's in a downloadable format, but it's for ver. 16.04. should I look for an updated version?
[06:27] <jrp93> mittens, make the directories
[06:28] <jrp93> sudo mkdir -p /var/log/tor
[06:28] <jrp93> sudo mkdir -p /var/lib/tor
[06:28] <Avere> mittens: it means that the previous command has finished executing  and the terminal can have a new command typed into it
[06:29] <mittens> Avere: yes that's what I imagined, does that mean the tor download has been completed and I can quit the terminal window? Or should I go ahead and type those commands jrp93 just gave me
[06:31] <mittens> jrp93: is that necessary? thanks for the response
[06:32] <Avere> Yes. But understand what the commands actually do. Also next time you come across an unknown error, paste it into google. Chances are, someone already would have had them
[06:32] <Avere> First hit : https://askubuntu.com/questions/874656/something-or-somebody-who-is-it
[06:32] <mittens> Avere: great tip thanks
[06:35] <mittens> there was one answer available and it says "It's just a funny way of saying this and that folders aren't there yet and need to be created."
[06:35]  * mittens types the commands into terminal
[06:36] <Avere> mittens:  explain what the command does
[06:37] <mittens> I think it's making the some folders, named log and lib
[06:38] <mittens> sudo mkdir -p /var/log/tor
[06:38] <mittens> sudo mkdir -p /var/lib/tor
[06:38] <mittens> not sure why it looks like that but
[06:38] <mittens> yeap..
[06:38] <alkisg> Good morning all :)
[06:38] <alkisg> CuChulaind: did you manage to install in uefi mode?
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> hey alkisg
[06:38] <alkisg> o/
[06:39] <ducasse> hiya alkisg :)
[06:39] <Avere> mittens: what does mkdir do?
[06:40] <mittens> omg Avere u are amazing
[06:40] <mittens> that made me think and
[06:40] <mittens> mk maybe refers to "make" and perhaps "dir" is directory 0.0
[06:41] <mittens> I looked it up and I was right
[06:41] <mittens> Avere is a teacher who helps a person to fish
[06:41] <ducasse> mittens: -p means "make every dir in the following path if it doesn't already exist"
[06:41] <mittens> *bows*
[06:41] <mittens> ducasse that -p is powerful!
[06:41] <mittens> got it
[06:42] <mittens> thanx yall typing the first one in
[06:42] <ducasse> so if /var exists but /var/lib doesn't, it will be created
[06:42] <mittens> do u think there's a space in between dir and -p tho
[06:43] <mittens> I can't really tell comparing the screen with terminal
[06:43] <mittens> I see
[06:44] <ducasse> mkdir is a command, -p is a parameter, so yes
[06:44] <mittens> *bows*
[06:45] <Waheedi> How can I know which systems configuration is loading this for example. systemd[1]: Starting LSB: Systems Management Data Engine...
[06:45] <Waheedi> I see that on the boot up on 16.04 machine
[06:46] <krytarik> mittens: There is nothing to fix really tho.
[06:46] <Waheedi> grep -rn "Systems Management Data Engine" /
[06:46] <mittens> is it normal that these commands are doing nothing
[06:46] <mittens> except the first one asked for my pw
[06:46] <Waheedi> systemd*
[06:47] <mittens> mittens@mittens-HP-Notebook:~$ sudo mkdir -p /var/lib/tor
[06:47] <mittens> [sudo] password for mittens:
[06:47] <mittens> mittens@mittens-HP-Notebook:~$ sudo mkdir -p/var/log/tor
[06:47] <mittens> mkdir: invalid option -- '/'
[06:47] <mittens> Try 'mkdir --help' for more information.
[06:48] <Avere> There is a space between -p and /var/log/tor
[06:48] <Avere> I don't think you put it
[06:48] <mittens> thanks Avere, I managed to find that out after a mistake
[06:49] <Avere> Also remember, man and -help are your friends
[06:50] <mittens> man and -help
[06:50] <mittens> -help
[06:50] <mittens> Avere still not doing anything this is what my screen looks like:
[06:50] <mittens> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Fu42rfv0/
[06:52] <Avere> No no. man stands for manual page. When you encounter a new command, type `man ScaryNewCommand`
[06:52] <mittens> ok got it
[06:52] <Avere> It'll tell you what the command does
[06:53] <Avere> `ScaryCommand -help` will tell you how to use it
[06:53] <Avere> *--help
[06:53] <mittens> neat
[06:53] <mittens> I will study some commands
[06:54] <mittens> I'm still stuck on terminal going nowhere
[06:54] <mittens> hopefully I will be able to download steam easier than this
[06:54] <mittens> will try my best to troubleshoot that one on my own
[06:54] <ducasse> there is also 'info', mostly for gnu software. those are more extensive manuals, generally - try 'info bash'
[06:58] <mittens> should I uninstall it and try again a different way?
[06:58] <mittens> info bash
[06:58] <Avere> mittens:  Try this simple "assignment" : Create a folder called `test` in Documents folder. Inside test create a folder called `logs`. Create a text file called log1.txt. Finally copy test and all its contents tothe  Downloads folder
[07:00] <mittens> do I use libreofficewriter for the log1.txt file? :s
[07:00] <ducasse> mittens: you'd need to type 'info bash' in your shell for it to work
[07:01] <mittens> is my shell same as terminal?
[07:01] <mittens> oh neat it brought up a manual
[07:01] <mittens> but it only has few lines
[07:02] <mittens> nvm seems I can scroll down
[07:05] <mittens> I somehow created log1.txt file using libreoffice and saved it in test folder somehow (it automatically positioned itself in there)
[07:06] <mittens> why am I copying test and all its contents to the downloads folder?
[07:14] <ducasse> mittens: i think he just suggested it to make yourself familiar with file operations
[07:14] <ducasse> mittens: have you seen the ubuntu manual? good for beginners.
[07:14] <ducasse> !manual
[07:20] <Avere> mittens: You can create an empty file using shell commands
[07:20] <mittens> ducasse: yeah I downloaded it, it was a 16 something ver. tho, I hope that's okay
[07:20] <mittens> I'm gonna read it when I get a chance
[07:20] <mittens> ducasse thanx
[07:21] <mittens> I'm at ubuntu-ko asking them if they can help me with my terminal situation
[07:21] <mittens> lol @ terminal situation
[07:21] <mittens> it's at a halt and the plea ain't strong enough for this room lol
[07:22] <din> > file.txt will create an empty file
[07:22] <din> Err > file.txt
[07:22] <Avere> din: I'm more of a `touch` guy myself
[07:24] <mittens> empty file using shell commands
[07:24] <mittens> oh I know what u guys mean now
[07:24] <mittens> make two folders
[07:25] <mittens> and then go to terminal and use shell command to create a txt file?
[07:25] <mittens> I think that's what u mean..
[07:27] <Avere> Yeah
[07:28] <mittens> holy moly
[07:29] <mittens> din it says "command not found"
[07:30] <Avere> mittens: use `touch filename.txt`
[07:30] <mittens> I'm googling command for "create"
[07:30] <mittens> ohhh
[07:30] <mittens> touch log1.txt
[07:30] <mittens> got it <3
[07:31] <Avere> What does touch do?
[07:32] <mittens> FILE
[07:32] <mittens> I used the --help command to figure that out
[07:33] <akik> Avere: it creates the file if it doesn't exist, otherwise it updates the files access times
[07:33] <din> Umm... "> file.txt" redirects nothing into a file, effectively emptying it or creating it if it doesn't exist.
[07:33] <Mr_Cyclops> Hello, I am on UM 17.10 and need to change the ugly default green login screen, but can't any such tool installed as was present in the earlier versions, any clues please? thank you
[07:33] <mittens> that's weird
[07:33] <mittens> doesn't do anything
[07:33] <Ben64> Mr_Cyclops: UM?
[07:33] <Mr_Cyclops> Ubuntu Mate
[07:33] <mittens> am I supposed to type sudo before create
[07:34] <Ben64> Mr_Cyclops: ah ok
[07:34] <Mr_Cyclops> :)
[07:34] <Avere> What command did you type?
[07:34] <cyphase> hmm, setting the X display brightness isn't sticky through switching virtual terminals
[07:35] <mittens> I typed "touch"
[07:35] <mittens> touch log1.txt
[07:36] <mittens> so touch does not mean "to file"
[07:36] <mittens> hmm
[07:36] <Ben64> touch means "touch"
[07:36] <mittens> is there a class I can take at a local college for this?
[07:36] <mittens> ubuntu class?
[07:36] <Ben64> possibly
[07:37] <Ben64> touch is not specific to ubuntu
[07:37] <mittens> I should go back to school and familiarize myself
[07:37] <mittens> is writing these commands down considered "coding" at all?
[07:37] <Ben64> no
[07:37] <mittens> oh.
[07:37] <mittens> programming?
[07:37] <Ben64> nope
[07:37] <mittens> welp
[07:37] <Ben64> if you put them into a script, maybe scripting
[07:37] <mittens> scripting
[07:37] <mittens> thanx
[07:38] <mittens> I hope by end of this month I would have a working steam account
[07:38] <mittens> and play counterstrike with a nice headset with an attached mic
[07:38] <mittens> can't wait :3
[07:40] <Avere> Check out this book called 'Linux Command Line and Shell Scripting Bible'. Gives a basic intro to scripting and other topics such as groups and permissions
[07:41] <alkisg> Mr_Cyclops: there's an #ubuntu-mate channel for mate specific questions
[07:41] <mittens> Avere: cool, I can order it on amazon tonight :3
[07:41] <Mr_Cyclops> alkisg, thank you, will try that
[07:43] <mittens> oh yay they have used for under $10
[07:49] <ducasse> mittens: you can also get really far with freely available documentation available online, like with the debian reference manual - most of that applies to ubuntu as well. https://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#quick-reference
[07:49] <ducasse> there are html you can browse online and pdf you can download
[08:00] <mittens> ducasse: thanks ducasse
[08:00] <mittens> saving that link
[08:01] <ducasse> there's also the debian administrators handbook and ubuntu server guide for when you get more familiar with the system
[08:01] <ducasse> !server
[08:02] <ducasse> i recommend both, as they cover somewhat different things
[08:03] <ducasse> https://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#debian-handbook
[08:05] <mittens> after I upgraded my ubuntu
[08:05] <mittens> dash button disappeared is that normal
[08:06] <Avere> Yeah. They seems to have removed it
[08:07] <mittens> dammit
[08:07] <mittens> sorry
[08:07] <mittens> not supposed to use bad language
[08:07] <drmessano> Dont worry, you'll stop clicking up at the top in 2 or 3 mon... err.. Im still clicking up top
[08:07] <mittens> dang it should be alright
[08:07] <mittens> heh drmessano
[08:08] <drmessano> "Let me just.. OH WAIT  NO.. GAAAAAH"
[08:08] <drmessano> Wait for Nautilus to open, close it
[08:08] <mittens> it sux because I temporarily gave up on downloading Tor browser using terminal
[08:08] <mittens> and I'm trying to download steam instead but directions online tell me to go to dash
[08:08] <mittens> and look for steam ROFL
[08:09]  * mittens looks up other wayz
[08:11] <mittens> omg
[08:12] <mittens> I went to UBUNTU software
[08:12] <mittens> and found steam downloader
[08:12] <mittens> did I get it right?
[08:13] <Avere> Yes
[08:13] <Avere> Wait
[08:13]  * mittens hugs Avere
[08:13]  * mittens serves drinks and snacks for everyone
[08:13] <mittens> celebration~
[08:14] <mittens> omygod here I come counterstrike
[08:14] <mittens> maybe I can do the same with TOR
[08:17] <olavo> good morning
[08:17] <mittens> Avere: I was wrong
[08:17] <olavo> how to fix no bootable device  ?
[08:17] <mittens> it won't launch for whatever reason
[08:18] <olavo> no trusted file in bios
[08:20] <mittens> woot woot
[08:20] <mittens> I found a 2017 nov how to download steam onto ubuntu
[08:20] <mittens> youtube
[08:21] <mittens> I just used ctrl+alt+t command to open the terminal, and typed sudo apt install steam
[08:23] <mittens> same thing again
[08:23] <mittens> it processes something then stops
[08:24] <mittens> doesn't pan out like the youtube person's shell or terminal
[08:24] <m15l> Of everything is configured well should "sudo dhclient -6 -v -d eno1" assign me an ipv6?
[08:24] <m15l> *If
[08:26] <mittens> maybe something's happening coz, I went to dash and typed steam and there's something
[08:30] <alkisg> olavo: is that about a usb stick or about a disk that was working previously?
[08:30] <alkisg> (hard disk)
[08:31] <olavo> emmc
[08:31] <olavo> hard disk
[08:32] <olavo> how to solved ?
[08:32] <alkisg> olavo: it was working and then it stopped working?
[08:32] <alkisg> olavo: you first need to tell more details. Was it working, what happened etc
[08:33] <jluc> I have an issue with Steam also.
[08:33] <jluc> It doesnt install and shows : « Installing breakpad exception handler for appid(steam)/version(0)
[08:33] <jluc> home/jluc/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libxcb-dri3.so.0: undefined symbol: xcb_send_request_with_fds »
[08:33] <olavo> no! works with refind usb boot
[08:33] <alkisg> (10:32:51 πμ) alkisg: olavo: you first need to tell more details. Was it working, what happened etc
[08:34] <olavo> acer es1-132
[08:35] <olavo> is working but with the live refind usb
[08:36] <gorgio> hi guys what is up
[08:36] <alkisg> olavo: did it ever work from the hard disk?
[08:36] <olavo> no
[08:36] <alkisg> olavo: did you install ubuntu to the hard disk?
[08:36] <olavo> message no bootable device
[08:36] <olavo> yes installed on hard drive emmc
[08:36] <alkisg> olavo: did you see any errors while installing?
[08:36] <olavo> no
[08:37] <alkisg> !secureboot
[08:37] <olavo> disable
[08:37] <alkisg> Meh this bot knows nothing :D
[08:37] <alkisg> olavo: are you currently booted from the live stick?
[08:37] <akik> olavo: on my acer laptop i had to add grubx64.efi as a uefi trusted file for booting in the uefi screens
[08:38] <olavo> but in my bios no option select trusted file
[08:38] <akik> olavo: after adding grubx64.efi as a trusted file, it can be selected in the boot order menu in the uefi screens
[08:39] <olavo> no option in bios
[08:39] <akik> olavo: oh ok disregard then :(
[08:39] <gorgio> having a small issue trying to add something to my path. want to extend my path with "$HOME/.local/bin" and so have tried adding :> export PATH="$PATH:$HOME/.local/bin" to .profile in $HOME folder, then source it, but whenever i refresh the terminal (exit) i will lose this new path. any help you can give is great :)
[08:40] <olavo> help me please
[08:40] <gorgio> whats ur problem olavo
[08:41] <gorgio> ?
[08:42] <gorgio> olavo: have you made sure you are not mixing efi and legcy bios booting?
[08:44] <akik> olavo: it seems to be a problem with the acer es1 machine with hard coded paths for efi files (https://community.acer.com/en/discussion/476726/es1-132-cannot-install-other-os-than-windows-10-bios-options-missing/p2)
[08:44] <akik> olavo: read the post by "spektro37
[08:44] <akik> Posts: 3Member
[08:44] <akik> March 19"
[08:44] <olavo> no
[08:50] <bigLanky> I have a network share folder on my Synology and I would like to access it through my ubuntu server... what is the best route to go for this? I would like it to always be mounted as it will be for my PLEX server to read the files from my synology
[08:50] <olavo> yes
[08:51] <olavo> copied to paste Efi to Linux
[08:51] <olavo> and ?
[08:52] <akik> olavo: he says that after that "Linux" appears in bios
[08:52] <akik> olavo: not sure if he means it appears in the boot order menu or when booting the hdd
[08:53] <olavo> emmc
[08:53] <olavo> I'll reboot
[08:55] <gorgio> having a small issue trying to add something to my path. want to extend my path with "$HOME/.local/bin" and so have tried adding :> export PATH="$PATH:$HOME/.local/bin" to .profile in $HOME folder, then source it, but whenever i refresh the terminal (exit) i will lose this new path. any help you can give is great :)
[08:57] <olavo> come back
[08:57] <olavo> no bootable device
[08:58] <akik> olavo: go into the uefi screens and look into the boot order menu
[08:58] <olavo> no
[08:58] <olavo> yes
[08:58] <akik> olavo: try to be more descriptive than no/yes :)
[08:58] <olavo> yes
[09:00] <olavo> no appear in order menu
[09:01] <akik> olavo: did you copy the contents of \EFI\ubuntu to \EFI\Linux ?
[09:01] <olavo> yes
[09:05] <Olavo> no bootable device meassage
[09:07] <Olavo> help me please
[09:07] <akik> Olavo: you don't see the new entry in the boot order menu?
[09:08] <Olavo> no
[09:11] <ducasse> Olavo: is this still the acer es1-132?
[09:14] <mittens> hey ducasse, I'm trying to reinstall ubuntu 17.10. Something must've gone wrong with my recent upgrade, because the processes are different than what it's supposed to be when I follow directions accurately from youtube etc.
[09:14] <Olavo> yes
[09:15] <bazhang> Olavo, are you trying to boot from an emmc written with refind
[09:15] <Olavo> no hard drive, only emmc
[09:15] <Olavo> yes
[09:15] <Olavo> but no boot
[09:16] <mittens> the terminal process after command use starts off fine then stops and doesn't complete its task, sayin something like it's already installed etc, for example, steam icon appeared under my apps but when I click it to open, it doesn't launch
[09:16] <Olavo> only boot by pendrive with refind
[09:16] <mittens> something's wrong and I can't figure it out
[09:16] <bazhang> Olavo, have you tried using other tools , apart from refind to write to the emmc
[09:17] <mittens> does anyone know how I can reinstall ubuntu 17.10 with terminal?
[09:17] <Olavo> boot repair
[09:17] <Olavo> only
[09:17] <bazhang> Olavo, are you fully able to understand what is being asked of you here
[09:17] <bazhang> Olavo, I didnt ask about that
[09:18] <bazhang> Olavo, I asked what other tools you had tried to use to write the iso to the emmc,
[09:18] <bazhang> Olavo, you cannot just answer yes or no to that, we need the exact clear info
[09:19] <akik> bazhang: he has installed ubuntu on the emmc
[09:19] <Olavo> no
[09:19] <bazhang> Olavo, yes or no, thats not an appropraite response here, we need the full exact info
[09:21] <Olavo> I have not tried other tools
[09:21] <bazhang> akik, yes, and he was here earlier with another nick, but will not say if he used other tools, just yes/no
[09:22] <Olavo> What tools?
[09:23] <bazhang> Olavo, first of all, does that machine allow for boot from usb/emmc and so on
[09:24] <Olavo> as ?
[09:25] <bazhang> Olavo, you said you have a fully running ubuntu machine, is that on another computer, and if not, are you trying to install to a hdd, or to the emmc to some other
[09:27] <Olavo> I'm not trying to boot a pc with emmc
[09:27] <ducasse> Olavo: you have been here over a dozen times now, fail to understand an read the info we give you - i'm not sure what more you want us to do
[09:27] <bazhang> Olavo, does the machine have a hdd
[09:28] <Olavo> yes, emmc
[09:34] <alkisg> gorgio: I didn't see if anyone answered you, but the standard path (which is already in $PATH) is ~/bin, if for some reason you don't like that you can symlink it
[09:39] <gorgio> alkisg: so i dont ahev ~/bin on my current setup. are you just suggesting symlink ~/.local/bin to ~/bin?
[09:40] <alkisg> gorgio: the best way is to create ~/bin, and use that, and forget ~/.local/bin
[09:41] <alkisg> But if you prefer to symlink it (non standard), sure you can use that too
[09:41] <alkisg> In both cases you don't need to change your PATH, it's already there
[09:45] <gorgio> alkisg: ye im not even sure why python pip installed to ~/.local  do you have any idea? it works when i symlink it but i will prob have to do that for future packages when i install them now
[09:45] <gorgio> i guess i cant move it all now its installed?
[09:46] <gorgio> is it because i used --user instead of -U arg on the initial pip install?
[09:46] <alkisg> gorgio: dunno, I'm not using pip, but symlinks should work wherever they put the binaries anyway
[09:47] <akik> gorgio: it's python that did it. i was surprised to see ~/.local/bin too
[09:48] <gorgio> alkisg: yes, but i prefer it to /usr/local as i can have my python build backed up with home. im just really confused how i cant make a permanent path edit
[09:50] <m15l> My hoster gave me a duid for ipv6 I'm a little bit unsure where to put (16.04)
[09:53] <zamza> hi, what does this mean?  The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[09:53] <zamza>  linux-generic-lts-utopic : Depends: linux-generic but it is not going to be installed   E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[10:08] <mittens> something's def wrong with my ubuntu 17.10 upgrade
[10:08] <mittens> I need to reinstall tomorrow when I find my usb stick
[10:09] <mittens> thanks room for helping me out today God bless
[10:09]  * mittens gets ready to sleep
[10:10] <sandstorm> Hello, I updated 16.04 to 17.10 in vmware and right now I am having a log-in loop. When the virtual box starts, it takes me to gdm log-in screen but when I click on my username, it directly says :"Authentication Error" and goes into a log-in screen loop without even letting me to enter the password. How can I resolve this? (I've deleted .XAuthority and .ICEAuthority with no success)
[10:14] <kalcso> Why checkbox in Software and Updates does not work for me?!
[10:15] <kalcso> My distro is ubuntu artful.
[10:16] <bazhang> kalcso, 18.04?
[10:17] <kalcso> No, 17.10
[10:25] <linocisco> hi all
[10:25] <linocisco> how can I convert .json to .csv on ubuntu?
[10:25] <MrJones> .json is an intrisically more complex format than .csv so there is no general guarantee this is possible in the first place
[10:26] <MrJones> however, there are probably tools to do this but it's not really ubuntu-specific. you might have a better chance in ##linux
[10:39] <alcane> so is there anything like compiz still current?
[10:40] <alcane> or how i can get some of that sweet eye candy we had with compiz/beryl?
[10:57] <superKiller> hello. can someone tell me why my touchpad right click is being interpreted as left click on ubuntu mate ?
[11:00] <sandstorm> gdm user fails to authenticate blocking me logging in on my gnome desktop manager. How can I resolve this?
[11:11] <BlueOcean> Hello, total newb here, I put Ubuntu on a flash drive, rebooted a PC with it, got the desktop OK, but tried to install a couple of apps from their websites (Teamviewer and Chrome), downloaded the install file, run it, but they both failed to install. Do I need to install Ubuntu at least in dual boot mode on that PC so that I can install additional
[11:11] <BlueOcean> applications? Thank you!  :)
[11:11] <m15k> Hi I try to obtain an ipv6 address from my hoster via dhclient: https://gist.github.com/asbachb/65fbb23dc45c46e30f9d37c4edfc3009, but when I do an "ip addr show" only the local link is shown
[11:16] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:21] <BlueOcean> hi BluesKaj
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Hi BlueOcean
[11:44] <Paddy_NI> Hello I am getting no response on #ubuntu-mate and I was wondering if anyone here might be able to help me.  I bought a "FIDO U2F Security Key" from Yubico (Amazon) and was wondering what the steps are for initially setting this up on Ubuntu (MATE) 17.10.
[12:01] <auronandace> Paddy_NI: those sorts of usb thingies tend to be heavily reliant on you running windows
[12:01] <Paddy_NI> auronandace, I just installed "libu2f-host0" and added the key to my google account
[12:01] <willytell_> Hi, I'm looking for a pencil to use with a touch screen
[12:02] <Paddy_NI> And facebook, amazon etc
[12:02] <Paddy_NI> auronandace, Seems to have absolutely no reliance on windows what so ever
[12:02] <Paddy_NI> The arch wiki is awesome
[12:02] <Paddy_NI> :-D
[12:03] <willytell_> some pencil that could be used in ubuntu?
[12:06] <auronandace> Paddy_NI: that is a pleasant surprise, glad you got it working
[12:07] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[12:09] <auronandace> willytell_: aren't they usually called a stylus
[12:12] <willytell_> auronandace, I think you're right.
[12:13] <frimend> Hello!
[12:13] <l0llip0p> frimend: hi!
[12:13] <frimend> I have a couple of macbooks (mid 2010).
[12:14] <frimend> They have been discarded from a school.
[12:14] <willytell_> But, I have a notebook with a touch screen... and wish to use it with Xournal with a pencil to take some notes.
[12:14] <frimend> I do not have the admin password on these computers, and I wish to have linux on them, instead of osX.
[12:15] <PlainDave> I just installed Ubuntu-MATE 16.04 and I entered a user name that I really wish I had not. Is there a way to change it?
[12:15] <frimend> I installed libuntu on a hdd, with my HP compaq computer, and transplanted that hdd to the MacBook. Will this cause large problems?
[12:15] <frimend> (It did boot)
[12:15] <auronandace> !mac | frimend
[12:15] <l0llip0p> frimend: well the keyboard mapping isn't correct
[12:16] <willytell_> auronandace, I mean, I'm not looking for a tablet or Wacom Bamboo.<
[12:16] <willytell_> just the pencil to take some notes using Xournal
[12:16] <l0llip0p> PlainDave: Let me clear things: You wish to change your username?
[12:16] <frimend> I remember 12 years ago, it was of outmost importance that you compiled the exact correct kernel, and such things.
[12:17] <PlainDave> l0llip0p, yeah, hopefully
[12:17] <frimend> l0llip0p: Is it a dead-end to try using this transplanted OS, and try to re-configure it?
[12:18] <l0llip0p> PlainDave: https://askubuntu.com/questions/34074/how-do-i-change-my-username
[12:18] <PlainDave> l0llip0p, thanks!
[12:19] <l0llip0p> frimend: I not expert in this maner but I would install ubuntu straigth to mac because of the hardware
[12:20] <frimend> Ok, will try that path instead then.
[12:20] <frimend> Thanks for quick input and links!
[12:41] <ibmr50e> so...
[12:41] <ibmr50e> if the Devil wear Prada
[12:41] <ibmr50e> Adam & Eve wear nada
[12:41] <ibmr50e> I'm somewhere in between but way more fresher
[12:42] <ibmr50e> with way less effort lol
[12:48] <snql> hi guys. what is the main reason to use 755 permissions for .config and .local folders? I researched the source code for xdg-user-dirs and it tries to create new .local and .config folder with "700" permissions. Ubuntu uses that utility but it doesn't work. is there any possibility that it could be a bug? default and all new users have incorrect and non-safe permissions
[12:54] <Younder> sngl 755 = 111-101-101 meaning xwr or execute write read. So that permission is usually to allowing.
[12:55] <Younder> I like to do a find <dir> -exec chmod rx-go {} \;
[12:56] <Younder> I like to do a find <dir> -exec chmod -rxgo {} \;
[12:57] <akik> Younder: i don't know why you wrote xwr as it's rwx
[12:58] <snql> i can read any /home/*/.config folder and recive their mail databases. it is not safe
[12:58] <alkisg> snql: yes, it sounds serious
[12:58] <snql> 700 for .config and .local would be great
[12:58] <alkisg> snql: I tried on lubuntu 16.04 and I got 700 permissions. File a bug report on where and how you reproduce this
[12:59] <alkisg> Possibly, some programs have code to store their settings etc, and if they happen to run first, they create the dirs with wrong permissions
[12:59] <alkisg> It would be best if you could pinpoint the program that creates those dirs, but even if you don't find it, do file a bug report
[13:01] <Younder> In 1994 Dan Farmer wrote a paper. Improving you computers security by hacking into it. In this he pointed out a numbers of security related issues. What is of interest here is permissions to files. I was a problem and it is just as much a problem now.
[13:24] <bonhoeffer> after i boot, i get the gui with everything fine, but then i get a solid color screen (off fresh install)
[13:24] <bonhoeffer> i don't see a grub menu to boot to -- strange that everything works for about 10 seconds
[13:26] <Younder> On my machine there is no grub menu either. You have to press <esc> to get it.
[13:26] <bonhoeffer> ok
[13:27] <bonhoeffer> i keep restarting
[13:28] <Younder> A boot gon bad is not uncommon (unfortunately). Luckily systemd logs what happened. It sounds like you graphics driver failed to load.
[13:28] <bonhoeffer> how do i get to a terminal from grub
[13:30] <bonhoeffer> i'm at a grub> prompt
[13:31] <Younder> https://askubuntu.com/questions/15284/how-to-boot-to-root-shell-when-grub-recovery-menu-fails-to-load-a-shell
[13:31] <bonhoeffer> thanks
[13:32] <adrian_1908> bonhoeffer: I cannot help, but green/pink colors are usually a sign of graphics driver issues in my experience. So maybe something in that direction will solve it (e.g. nomodeset).
[13:32] <bonhoeffer> thanks
[13:34] <bonhoeffer> so strange that ubuntu works for 10 seconds
[13:34] <bonhoeffer> then goes bad
[13:35] <bonhoeffer> i was able to log out -- i'm now at the login gui screen which stays up -- any way to get a terminal from here
[13:35] <bonhoeffer> without starting the gui
[13:35] <bonhoeffer> i tried to reboot by holding shift to get to a recovery mode
[13:36] <bonhoeffer> from everything i read, ctl+alt+f1 should do it
[13:36] <akik> bonhoeffer: do you want to display the grub menu?
[13:36] <bonhoeffer> i want to get to a terminal any way i can since there is a graphics card issue (i think)
[13:37] <akik> bonhoeffer: ctrl+alt+f1 opens the virtual console (non-gui)
[13:37] <bonhoeffer> doesn't work
[13:37] <akik> bonhoeffer: what do you get with it?
[13:37] <bonhoeffer> no response
[13:38] <akik> *nothing* happens?
[13:38] <bonhoeffer> yes
[13:39] <bonhoeffer> nothing i can observe
[13:39] <bonhoeffer> this applies to the gui -- in that ten seconds before it goes solid color, i can get a terminal
[13:39] <bonhoeffer> in the gui
[13:39] <bonhoeffer> and type furiously
[13:40] <akik> bonhoeffer: not sure what is happening there but if you want to get a grub prompt, set these variables to an empty value in /etc/default/grub GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT= GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=
[13:41] <akik> bonhoeffer: you might also need to set GRUB_TIMEOUT=10 to something else than 0. then run "sudo update-grub" and reboot
[13:41] <bonhoeffer> ok, so from the login screen i'm in now, click restart and hold shift
[13:41] <bonhoeffer> ?
[13:41] <akik> bonhoeffer: yes
[13:42] <akik> to this day i wonder why information and access to it is being hidden from users
[13:42] <akik> bonhoeffer: those settings do the change so that it happens on every boot without pressing shift
[13:43] <bonhoeffer> so strange -- held shift the whole time -- no grub
[13:43] <akik> bonhoeffer: try the other shift
[13:43] <bonhoeffer> ok
[13:44] <akik> bonhoeffer: honestly this is not helping any debugging session
[13:44] <BluesKaj> left shift should work
[13:45] <bonhoeffer> so strange, no
[13:45] <bonhoeffer> just hooked in another keyboard
[13:47] <bonhoeffer> got it -- the other keyboard gave me a terminal with ctl+alt+f4
[13:47] <bonhoeffer> from here, i don't have internet access -- is there a way i could kill whatever advanced graphics process is trying to start
[13:48] <bonhoeffer> so i can stay in the default mode that boots up
[13:50] <Younder> ctrl-arlt f1-f4 will give you a shell it you have booted sucessfully. strl-alt-f7 or f8 depending on your os version gives you the windows interface
[13:50] <bonhoeffer> Younder: at the shell, can i disable whatever process starts that is causing the maroon screen?
[13:51] <bonhoeffer> some reversion to the basic settings at startup
[13:51] <Younder> 'sudo service lightdb stop ' shuts down the windows interface. Needed to say reinstall drivers
[13:51] <Younder> lightdm
[13:52] <bonhoeffer> failed to stop, "it was not loaded"
[13:52] <bonhoeffer> so i'm in terminal now, want to go back into gui, but with the limited graphics mode
[13:53] <bonhoeffer> or . . . try to load wireless drivers and connect and load the card's drivers while in terminal
[13:53] <bonhoeffer> i like wireless setup in gui
[13:54] <bonhoeffer> plus, i can't install tlp or wifi without a connection :(
[13:55] <bonhoeffer> i can't even get to nettools
[14:04] <bonhoeffer> i used to install ubuntu on many pc's but the lack of integrated graphics makes ubuntu much harder to install
[14:04] <akik> bonhoeffer: have you defined your wlan connection already in that installation?
[14:05] <bonhoeffer> akik: no, i have to do it all from the command line without any utiliites
[14:05] <akik> bonhoeffer: ok it's possible
[14:05] <bonhoeffer> which is ok, i'm just surprised that is what users still have to do with linux
[14:06] <bonhoeffer> i'll go into the docs
[14:06] <akik> bonhoeffer: try this nmcli command
[14:06] <akik> bonhoeffer: nmcli device wifi connect wlan_ssid password your_password
[14:06] <bonhoeffer> one second
[14:07] <akik> bonhoeffer: did this problem happen right after installation or after installation of some other package?
[14:08] <bonhoeffer> fresh computer, install from disk made of the latest version
[14:09] <akik> bonhoeffer: ubuntu supports intel graphics out of the box
[14:12] <sybariten> hiyall
[14:14] <diogenes_> Hello guys! I'm trying to setup nvidia with bumblebee, everything looks right but I always get "[ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE)" does anyone have any insights on what could be wrong?
[14:15] <diogenes_> 16.04
[14:17] <bonhoeffer> akik: yeah, so my late model amd doesn't work
[14:17] <BluesKaj> diogenes_, run sudo nvidia-xconfig
[14:18] <diogenes_> BluesKaj, working....
[14:18] <diogenes_> BluesKaj, New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[14:19] <BluesKaj> good , that might help
[14:19] <diogenes_> reboot?
[14:19] <BluesKaj> you may need to relogin or reboot , I've forgotten which
[14:20] <diogenes_> ok will reboot and brb
[14:20] <diogenes_> thanks
[14:27] <sybariten> so, i have this newly set up xubuntu machine which is supposed to be headless. Basicly at the moment i double click on two drives from the desktop, to mount them, when i start the machine up. I then run a samba command " sudo /etc/init.d/samba reload"  and theres a samba config already saved there that works. This makes these two drives i clicked available in my LAN.
[14:27] <sybariten> But how do i make this more permanent without me needing to dbl click?
[14:27] <diogenes_> BluesKaj, it's me again, funny thing, I run: sudo nvidia-xconfig and it creates the xorg.conf file so I can see it's there, after reboot it's not there anymore, it's being renamed to xorg.conf.12022017
[14:27] <sybariten> I mean, i would need that to really make the machine headless  :)
[14:31] <Younder> If you mean what I think you mean you use PXE to run run the bootloader without even accessing the disks via tftp
[14:33] <Younder> ^via tftp =>, but by booting from tftp
[14:43] <anddam> hello, how can I check what DNS server is set once I use dhcp via network-manager in graphical session?
[14:46] <anddam> ah, nvm
[14:46] <anddam> nmcli device show
[14:54] <BluesKaj> DIoX|DaZ, assume you have nvidia-prime installed ?
[14:55] <BluesKaj> oops sorr DIoX|DaZ , wrong nick , guess the dio guy left
[14:55] <BluesKaj> other dio guy even
[15:11] <qwxlea> i have postfix installed as a dependency for something else, how to find out what pkg required postfix?
[15:13] <ducasse> qwxlea: install aptitude, then 'aptitude why postfix'
[15:13] <zykotick9> qwxlea: the alternative using rdepends is explained at https://askubuntu.com/questions/424150/what-is-apt-get-equivalent-of-aptitude-why
[15:14] <alkisg> qwxlea: sudo apt purge postfix and press cancel :)
[15:15] <qwxlea> thanks ducasse and zykotick9, alkisg that is what I was thinking, but i thought there must a be a safer solution :-)
[15:16] <alkisg> apt also has --dry-run :D
[15:16] <ducasse> qwxlea: the aptitude way only tells you why the package is installed
[15:17] <qwxlea> alkisg, that is quite handy
[15:20] <qwxlea> ducasse, it shows all the steps, from tlp, that I wanted to try to postfix, which is overkill...
[15:31] <op84> hello - how can i debug a systemctl task if it exits with code=exited, status=1/FAILURE? if i start the task manually it runs without any trouble.
[15:43] <Neo1> Hi guys, I created ssh key on ubuntu server on digital ocean using this command ssh-keygen -t rsa
[15:44] <Neo1> it had created file in /root directory but I couldn't find files
[15:44] <Neo1> Your identification has been saved in /root/.ssh/id_rsa.
[15:44] <Neo1> Your public key has been saved in /root/.ssh/id_rsa.pub.
[15:44] <Neo1> folder is with point
[15:45] <Neo1> How I will have been able get this folder?
[15:45] <Neo1> How shall I get this folder?
[15:50] <superKiller> hello I have installed ubuntu mate and the right click on my laptop's touchpad is being interpreted as left click. anybody have any ideas ?
[15:54] <rubdos> 16.04/Unity: Belgian keyboards seem to have shift lock keys nowadays, not caps lock. However, default Belgian layouts seem to be caps lock, not shift lock.
[15:56] <PlainDave> superKiller, Have you checked the Mouse properties? Settings > Mouse >Touchpad tab
[15:56] <superKiller> PlainDave, yes what about them ?
[15:57] <PlainDave> superKiller, I don't know. I thought there might be a setting for touchpad buttons.
[15:58] <TJ-> superKiller: sounds like a driver/libinput/libevent issue
[15:58] <superKiller> PlainDave, alright. i found an answer here but im new to linux. do you know if i should use these commands ? https://askubuntu.com/questions/579645/right-click-on-synaptic-touchpad-not-working-on-ubuntu-14-10
[15:58] <TJ-> superKiller: have you done some tests of what code is being generated, using evtest or similar?
[15:59] <superKiller> TJ-, no i havent. Ive come across answers that are similar to the link ive posted
[16:00] <senaps> hi, i have upgraded to 17.10 and my os just freezes out.(mostly while working with firefox) i have only 2GB ram and core i3 processor. is that freezing normal?
[16:00] <TJ-> superKiller: Just read your link; have you used the test for Capabilities in the last answer? I'd recommend that as your first step since it is supposed to determine if the device actually *has* a right button, or if it has to be simulated
[16:00] <senaps> and i want to completley remove some programs from my OS. how would i do that?
[16:01] <superKiller> okay TJ- ill try it and brb
[16:13] <olavo> good afternoon
[16:14] <olavo> my system not appear grub
[16:15] <olavo> no bootable device
[16:15] <olavo> help me please
[16:23] <doug16k> is there a way to make ubuntu server install NOT stop and ask questions ten times in the middle of the install?
[16:25] <doug16k> as in, provide answers to the prompts for unattended installation?
[16:25] <doug16k> with some config file or something
[16:26] <pavlos> doug16k: http://searchitchannel.techtarget.com/feature/Performing-an-automated-Ubuntu-install-using-preseeding
[16:26] <pavlos> doug16k: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/example-preseed.txt
[16:26] <doug16k> thanks!
[16:28] <gordonjcp> doug16k: preseed files
[16:28] <gordonjcp> doug16k: they're handy for doing desktops, too
[16:28] <gordonjcp> doug16k: PXE booting, network installs, apt-cacher and preseed are frankly the only way to go if you need to do more than a handful of machines
[16:29] <pavlos> in the old days, it used to be called kickstart
[16:29] <niko1990> hello everyone
[16:29] <gordonjcp> pavlos: kickstart is a Redhatism ;-)
[16:29] <pavlos> oops
[16:29] <gordonjcp> pavlos: you can actually do kickstart *and* preseed
[16:29] <gordonjcp> pavlos: both at the same time
[16:30] <gordonjcp> before you attempt this, you should check with a good clinical psychologist
[16:30] <gordonjcp> maybe have some paper towels handy, put plastic sheeting down
[16:35] <niko1990> I just installed a complete fresh install of ubuntu 16.04.3 on a laptop (fujitsu Lifebook T730) everything works so far fine, but the boot (with ssd) needs around 10 min. This is my dmesg and at the end a systemd-analyze blame: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26096541/
[16:37] <pavlos> niko1990: what about the one line, sudo systemd-analyze
[16:38] <niko1990> pavlos: I just added this line at the end of the file... i added that by hand
[16:39] <ioria> niko1990, well, i'd say the culprit is NM , no ?
[16:40] <niko1990> ioria: ??? I'm sorry i don't understand
[16:40] <pavlos> niko1990: dont see that line it should be something like Startup finished in 6.840s (kernel) + 48.016s (userspace) = 54.856s
[16:40] <ioria> niko1990,  network-manager
[16:41] <niko1990> ioria: i had that feeling too... but i don't get why...
[16:42] <niko1990> pavlos: Startup finished in 2.587s (kernel) + 9.218s (userspace) = 11.805s
[16:42] <ioria> niko1990,  not sure,  try   sudo systemctl disable NetworkManager-wait-online.service  and reboot
[16:43] <niko1990> ioria: i will try, give me (hopefully a couple of seconds) =)
[16:46] <pavlos> niko1990: so systemd tells you it boots in 11.8s but you experience 10m?
[16:53] <niko1990> pavlos: yes...
[16:54] <niko1990> pavlos: that makes me wonder, too... it needed now 10 minutes again
[16:54] <niko1990> i'm going to paste the logs again
[16:55] <pavlos> niko1990: can you use 'Disks' and get the SSD for errors
[16:59] <niko1990> this are now the logs with NetworkManager-wait-online disabled: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26096699/
[17:00] <niko1990> pavlos: with what command should i check the SSD? "disks" in a terminal gives me "command not found"
[17:01] <pavlos> niko1990: gnome-disks
[17:03] <ioria> niko1990,  sy, nm was not the culprit... is something else
[17:04] <niko1990> pavlos: gnome-disks (the gui) tells me "Assessment: Disk is OK (37°C / 99°F)" or is there some test that i could run?
[17:04] <pavlos> niko1990: do you have encryption, /etc/crypttab, /etc/cryptswap
[17:06] <pavlos> niko1990: there is a jump in time in dmesg lines [949,950]
[17:06] <niko1990> pavlos: no i don't have encryption... and i already commended the swap mount line in fstab out, because i read that this could be a problem, too
[17:08] <pavlos> niko1990: 16.04 uses swap partition, why comment it?
[17:09] <ioria> niko1990, random: crng init done
[17:10] <niko1990> pavlos: I only comment it out for testing if it would be because of that...
[17:11] <niko1990> ioria: yes, seen that before, but what does this mean?
[17:11] <pavlos> niko1990: swapon should tell you the swap it uses
[17:11] <alkisg> niko1990: anything useful in /var/log/syslog, e.g. errors?
[17:11] <ioria> niko1990, not clear, but means this: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/debian-hangs-at-boot-with-random-crng-init-done-4175613405/
[17:11] <alkisg> Can you pastebin it?
[17:18] <Neo1> where ubuntu saves public keys?
[17:18] <Neo1> in root folder?
[17:18] <pavlos>  .ssh/
[17:18] <TJ-> niko1990: what does "systemd-analyze critical-chain" report ?
[17:18] <Neo1> full path is whatever?
[17:19] <pavlos> Neo1: home user, .ssh/ dir
[17:19] <Neo1> pavlos: in videolessons I see there /home/username/.ssh
[17:19] <Neo1> and my pathe /root/.ssh, Why?
[17:19] <Neo1> I've been seeing in video)
[17:20] <pavlos> Neo1: b/c root's home dir is /root but for users it is /home/pavlos
[17:20] <Neo1> pavlos: Why is my home folder root?
[17:21] <Neo1> and I'm not user?
[17:21] <Neo1> I'm root?
[17:21] <pavlos> Neo1: is your prompt # or $
[17:21] <niko1990> the syslog is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26096901/
[17:22] <Neo1> pavlos: my ~#
[17:22] <pavlos> Neo1: you're root, type exit
[17:22] <donofrio> anyone here use remmina?  I'm wondering why I cannot connect thought freerdp on my powerpc install of ubuntu 16.04.3?  (cannot even debug it because nothing shows up in debug window - nothing at all!)
[17:22] <Neo1> pavlos: is it good? I had done ssh key and  have logged there
[17:23] <Neo1> pavlos: why exit?
[17:23] <pavlos> Neo1: you should not run as root but as your username
[17:23] <Neo1> pavlos: see I got this password on email after I'd created droplet on digitalocean
[17:24] <Neo1> pavlos: why? have you been seeing instruction on digitalocean?
[17:24] <pavlos> Neo1: I dont use DO ... sorry
[17:24] <niko1990> and here is the systemd-analyze critical-chain: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26096927/
[17:24] <Neo1> pavlos: if I root what shall I do?
[17:25] <pavlos> Neo1: I dont use digitalocean so I have no idea what you're doing
[17:26] <Neo1> pavlos: I want set up there server
[17:27] <Neo1> how ubuntu determine folder where resized ssh key?
[17:27] <Neo1> in one case it's /home/username in my case it's /root/.ssh ?
[17:28] <Neo1> and if I don't want use ssh key how to remove it?
[17:29] <Neo1> pavlos: see I've been watching this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUsWyZzqruM
[17:30] <gulzar> !ping
[17:30] <vfw>  Neo1: You should not be connecting to remote computers via root.
[17:30] <TJ-> niko1990: The delay; is it until the GUI login greeter appears?
[17:30] <Neo1> vfw: why I got root access, it's everybody gets?
[17:31] <gordonjcp> vfw: not unless you really know what you're doing
[17:32] <vfw> Well, as a rule of thumb, not a good idea.  If there is any way to do it as user, you are better off.
[17:32] <gordonjcp> absolutely
[17:32] <niko1990> TJ-: No its only a black screen (like a terminal) with only one line of text
[17:32] <gordonjcp> Neo1: root normally has an "expired" password set, so you cannot log in as root
[17:32] <TJ-> niko1990: OK, and if you hit a key do you then see "Login: " prompt?
[17:32] <niko1990> TJ-: so when the gui shows up, everything runs fast and fine
[17:32] <gordonjcp> Neo1: there are generally pretty good reasons for this, and having a valid root login is an obsolete idea
[17:32] <Neo1> vfw: but if I create user it will more vulnerability because two users?
[17:33] <vfw> Neo1: No.
[17:33] <gordonjcp> Neo1: anyone who has ever set a root password in the past 20 years is behind the times ;-)
[17:33] <TJ-> yeah, passwordless root login is the new old :)
[17:33] <vfw> sudo is a very powerful tool
[17:33] <gordonjcp> vfw: it's also been around longer than this newbie Linux crap
[17:33] <gordonjcp> ;-)
[17:34] <Neo1> gordonjcp: how long I will can log in?
[17:34] <gordonjcp> Neo1: you should create a normal user, and then use sudo to switch to root
[17:34] <vfw> Neo1: I would suggest locking root user back down and use sudo
[17:35] <niko1990> TJ-: No, no matter what i do, nothing changes...
[17:35] <gordonjcp> Neo1: ideally you'd have a couple of normal users, with varying levels of capability, and use the least capable that will get the job done
[17:35] <Neo1> vfw: how it lock? I didn't unlock it, it was default set up
[17:35] <vfw> Neo1: But make SURE the user has sudo enabled FIRST.
[17:35] <TJ-> niko1990: I think what you may have is a problem with the Xorg server starting; It sounds like the system has started the muti-user.target and you've got the TTYs enabled. Usually you hve to tap a key in the TTYs to cause the Login: prompt to appear. You can also switch between them with Alt+F1.. through Alt+F7 (where F7 - tty7 - usually has the Xorg server on it)
[17:36] <TJ-> niko1990: try a reboot, as soon as the black screen with message appears, try Alt+F2 (also try Ctrl+Alt+F2) to get to tty2 ... if you see 'tty2' top of screen tap a key, see if the Login: prompt appears
[17:37] <Neo1> vfw: see I've read instruction we install key and then unlock root and we'll be using key for get server without password and root won't accessible?
[17:38] <Neo1> well, better I'll read in google...
[17:38] <TJ-> niko1990: the system normally starts on tty7 ready for the GUI, so there won't be a "Login" available on that tty, which is why you need to try to switch to another tty
[17:38] <niko1990> TJ-: I will try in a couple of minutes, i have to run to the store lil fast... I will be back in a couple of minutes
[17:38] <TJ-> niko1990: OK, good luck with it :)
[17:38] <vfw> Neo1: Not sure what you are doing so it is hard to advise. But...
[17:38] <vfw> To disable the root login use
[17:38] <vfw> sudo passwd -l root
[17:39] <Neo1> vfw: and I never login as root?
[17:39] <vfw> Neo1: But again, make sure the user account you are using has sudo privileges
[17:39] <Neo1> How then I'll use root?
[17:39] <vfw> Neo1: sudo -i
[17:40] <alkisg> niko1990: do you have both kde and gnome/unity installed?
[17:40] <Neo1> I probably have only one root account and nothing else... if I forbid it, How I'll log in server?
[17:41] <Neo1> vfw: shall I create user account before block root?
[17:41] <vfw> Neo1: I do not know how you have your PC or server set up, so it is hard to advise.
[17:41] <vfw> Neo1: What exactly is it?
[17:42] <vfw> Neo1: A server?
[17:42] <Neo1> server on digitalocean
[17:43] <Neo1> well, thanks for suggestions, I'll continue customize
[17:43] <vfw> Neo1: And it has ubuntu installed on it?
[17:43] <Neo1> yes
[17:43] <adrian_1908> If a libary path changes, is there a command that needs to be run to update to the new state? I vaguely remember something like that. (similar to fc-cache for fonts)
[17:44] <vfw> Neo1: What are you going to use it for?
[17:44] <vfw> Neo1: Web server?
[17:44] <Neo1> yes, I'm going to create chat on node.js
[17:45] <Neo1> I've already bought this domain http://american-chat.ru .It will chat for native USA speakers dating chat )))
[17:46] <Neo1> sex vodka rock&roll
[17:48] <vfw> can’t connect to the server at www.american-chat.ru
[17:48] <vfw> Neo1: Oh I see, you just bought the domain.
[17:49] <vfw> Neo1: At any rate, you do not need to be remote connecting to a root account on a remote server.
[17:49] <Neo1> vfw: I can't customize :(
[17:49] <vfw> Neo1: I did not say that.
[17:50] <vfw> Neo1: Just saying you need to access user account, not root
[17:50] <Neo1> ok
[17:50] <Neo1> well I'll do
[17:50] <vfw> Ok.  Good luck
[17:53] <gordonjcp> vfw: and despite all this, a couple of times a week I telnet into country-falls-apart kind of important machines as root ;-)
[17:53] <JoeRW> Good morning, everyone!
[17:53] <l0llip0p> JoeRW: hello!
[17:55] <JoeRW> Ubuntu IRC + College Football = A Perfect Saturday!
[17:55] <frimend> I had a raid1 on two discs previously, with ubuntu 14.04 installed. Now I have installed ubuntu 16.04 on a newly aquired disc.
[17:56] <frimend> The fresh installation of ubuntu does not recognize that there is a raid on these discs, I cant mount it.
[17:56] <frimend> I have forgotten what kind of configs and setups I did on the old installation to get this working.
[17:57] <frimend> If possible, I wish to just get this raid working on the new installation. Avoiding the chore of backing up data, repartition the discs etc.
[18:01] <Neo1> vfw: see I've found guide, how configure root user https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/initial-server-setup-with-ubuntu-16-04
[18:01] <Neo1> before installing apach you should have regular not root user
[18:02] <Neo1> and configured firewall
[18:05] <vfw> Neo1: You seem to be obsessed with the idea of logging into a remote server as root
[18:05] <vfw> Neo1: Not sure why
[18:06] <Neo1> vfw: no, I'll do as written on that page
[18:07] <vfw> Neo1: ok, it is your server.  But if it were me, I would not have a server that would allow connection via ssh
[18:07] <Neo1> vfw: read above article there all detailed describe what to do. I'm going to learn that all
[18:07] <Neo1> how would you manage server without ssh?
[18:07] <vfw> Neo1: ok, it is your server.  But if it were me, I would not have a server that would allow connection via root to ssh
[18:08] <Neo1> ok)
[18:08] <Neo1> I'll forbid it as well
[18:14] <boblamont> is there a way to rip the audio from a dvd without having to rip the video first?
[18:21] <gordonjcp> boblamont: mplayer lets you play back audio to a .wav file and skip video, if that's any help?
[18:21] <gordonjcp> boblamont: it also lets you specify cue points so you don't need to rip the whole thing
[18:21] <jluc> winff coud do it also isnt ?
[18:22] <gordonjcp> probably
[18:22] <gordonjcp> do people still use DVDs?
[18:24] <Neo1> I've been creating new user: # adduser neo
[18:24] <Neo1> in ubuntu we can run root from each user
[18:25] <Neo1> user must belong to sudo group, this is called superadmin
[18:25] <Neo1> regime
[18:25] <EriC^^> !topic | Neo1
[18:26] <Neo1> EriC^^: what does it mean? You mean it's offtop?
[18:27] <Younder> seriously you can't reboot the machine fail a load and administrate without a root passwd
[18:28] <Younder> You could run knopfix, but that amounts to basically the same thing
[18:29] <Younder> Or at least when you want ro remount disk partions
[18:30] <Younder> This is not a great secret. sudo su is not black magic
[18:30] <Younder> nor passwd
[18:31] <Younder> For the record login as root should NEVER be enabled
[18:32] <Younder> Login with passwd disabled as soon as a krypt key can be exchanged. Kerberos used for larger networks.
[18:33] <Younder> Follow a few guidelienes and you are golden. This paranoia for root is unwarranted.
[18:34] <Younder> NB For the record login as root should NEVER be enabled. With SSH
[18:40] <ducasse> Neo1: i once again urge you to read the ubuntu server guide, which will teach you the proper way to do things
[18:40] <ducasse> !server | Neo1
[18:46] <Neo1> ok, I had started to read, had been read 20 pages and then dropped it.... :( . will start again
[18:48] <Neo1> I had been reading for day and had read 20 pages, and then I dropped it *
[18:56] <Neo1> what is give sudo?
[18:57] <Neo1> I thought I should use password from root account and I put my not-root-user password and command executed
[18:57] <Neo1> sense in this sudo?
[18:57] <Neo1> anybody can get this user and use like root?
[18:58] <Neo1> or this user can't do some command with sudo?
[18:58] <Neo1> I don't see sense in sudo
[18:59] <mmkumr> I am trying to move 1.5GB '.mkv' file to fat32 partition but after some time it shows error 'Error splicing file: File too large'.
[19:00] <Neo1> what is difference between sudo and root? is it equal?
[19:01] <gordonjcp> Neo1: if you don't understand what it is and why it's better than logging in as root, it doesn't really matter
[19:01] <gordonjcp> Neo1: just accept that this is how you should do things
[19:01] <gordonjcp> Neo1: you should not have a root login accessible, particularly over ssh
[19:01] <gordonjcp> Neo1: this isn't the 1980s
[19:03] <Neo1> gordonjcp: see but if I do under root command # apt update and under user $ sudo apt update, What is differ? User has all privileges root? and how it is more secure?
[19:06] <TJ-> Neo1: the principle is that the less processes running as UID 0, the harder it is for some compromise or malware to take control of the system. If you're logged in as UID 0 there are ways in which commands might be subverted to install malacious software. If you're logged in as an unprivileged user the only time that is possible is when you actually use 'sudo'
[19:07] <pavlos> niko1990: did you figure out the issue? I wafk for a while
[19:08] <TJ-> pavlos: niko1990 hasn't replied since he ran to the shops
[19:08] <pavlos> TJ-: ok, thanks
[19:10] <Neo1> TJ-: ok, only manually possible, understood
[19:10] <Neo1> TJ-: and difficult use brute force, they don't know that this user is true root
[19:12] <niko1990> pavlos: & TJ-: I got back a couple of minutes... tried booting and switching to the commandline interface, did not worked... I just downloaded the Ubuntu 16.04.0 (and not the 16.04.3) and I'm burning that right now on a DVD so that I'm not having trouble with a usb stick (it did not worked with a usb stick - worked with this usb stick for 16.04.3)...
[19:13] <niko1990> Because I realized that I already had to wait the 10 minutes for the usb linux to boot for installing it...
[19:14] <mmkumr> Is there any way to move huge file to fat32 partition from ext4.
[19:14] <niko1990> I really have to say... I can't remember when i had the last time so god damn problems installing a OS... *argh*
[19:15] <TJ-> niko1990: so it could have been due to a corrupt image on the USB
[19:16] <pavlos> niko1990: verify the iso prior to burning it
[19:22] <p0a> Hello
[19:22] <p0a> I want to drop firefox and use some other browser but when I try to use apt-get remove firefox it wants to remove lubuntu-desktop too
[19:22] <p0a> how can I prevent this?
[19:25] <pavlos> p0a: sudo apt remove firefox --dry-run to see ehat packages will be removed
[19:25] <p0a> pavlos: I don't need to see that, I already know
[19:25] <p0a> It's firefox and lubuntu-desktop
[19:26] <pavlos> p0a: the lubuntu-desktop is probably a meta package
[19:27] <TJ-> p0a: lubuntu-desktop Depends firefox
[19:27] <p0a> what would happen if I removed it?
[19:27] <hggdh> p0a:lubuntu-desktop (as pretty much all *-desktop) is a metapackage to install all basic componets of the flavour
[19:28] <p0a> so it's harmless to remove it?
[19:28] <hggdh> removing firefox will remove lubuntu-desktop, but not affect the rest of the desktop
[19:28] <p0a> I see
[19:28] <p0a> cool, thank you
[19:29] <hggdh> it is basically, sort-of, harmless. If lubuntu-desktop gets changed in the future to add (or remove) other packages, you will not get these updates
[19:29] <jnxd> Hello. I'm having trouble trying to run a live usb for a fresh install of ubuntu. I can get grub, and then plymouth and the first time a cursor is seen, I can control it, but it flashes back to black and goes into some sort of an infinite loop. I tried nomodeset, but that didn't help.
[19:30] <p0a> how come seamonkey is not available in apt-get?
[19:30] <jnxd> For some reason I could start yesterday night, but had problems with Ubuntu MATE. They got resolved by nomodeset, but now even that is not working.
[19:31] <jatt>  install firefox why install seamonkey... smh
[19:32] <p0a> jatt: because seamonkey doesn't have the new stuff
[19:32] <TJ-> Strange that lubuntu doesn't Depend : www-browser rather than firefox, then any browser can satisfy the dependency if it Provides: www-browser
[19:33] <JoshuaD> how do I tweak the stuff that happens after I login? It seems my computer has been taking longer / been more bogged down during the first 5 minutes after login since I upgraded from 16.10 to 17.10
[19:33] <JoshuaD> xfce/lightm/ubuntu
[19:34] <jatt> boot in recovery mode
[19:34] <hggdh> p0a: because seamonkey's maintenance was iffy
[19:34] <TJ-> JoshuaD: try identifying the cause with "systemd-analayze blame" or "systemd-analyze critical-chain"
[19:36] <JoshuaD> @TJ-, that is very cool!  I've got a few that are taking more than 5 seconds.  Before I dig into this deeper, i want to make sure we're looking at the right thing -- it's not after I reboot my computer. I get to lightdm's login prompt within a reasonable time. It's after I login and my desktop loads/is loading. It takes about 6-7 minutes for my computer to stop making those loading sounds and feeling a little sluggish
[19:36] <p0a> hggdh: that's a feature for me. anyhow, I just dont like what ff did that's all
[19:37] <p0a> I can't imagine anyone arguing it's a /good thing/ that they got these new features
[19:37] <p0a> and the "faster" gimmick is old. we're fast enough lol
[19:37] <p0a> I just like, read the news and work related stuff
[19:37] <TJ-> JoshuaD: that would make me worry about disk I/O errors. Check /var/log/kern.log
[19:37] <hggdh> p0a: this is an opinion :-) but I think you still can find seamonkey elsewhere
[19:38] <p0a> oh you're saying they removed seamonkey from apt-get because its maintanance was iffy. gotcha
[19:38] <hggdh> p0a: you can still get it from https://wiki.debian.org/Seamonkey
[19:38] <hggdh> p0a: but it is unsupported for us
[19:38] <p0a> Well anyhow, thank you all :) appreciate it
[19:38] <jnxd> Anyone?
[19:39] <TJ-> jnxd: the problem is when using the LiveISO, or with the installed system?
[19:42] <frimend> I followed this guide, creating a raid1 on /dev/md0 : https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-create-raid-arrays-with-mdadm-on-ubuntu-16-04
[19:43] <frimend> Then I thought I would be smart, and edit fstab, changing "/dev/md0 /mnt/md0 ext4 defaults,nofail,discard 0 0" to instead "/dev/md0 /home ext4 defaults,nofail,discard 0 0"
[19:43] <frimend> Apparantly, this was a deathsin.
[19:44] <frimend> Have spent alot of time now, figuring out how to start up in failsafe mode, to undo my mistake.
[19:44] <frimend> How do I ackomplish what I want to do, mount the new big nice raid at my /home directory?
[19:44] <frimend> and why was my approach faulty?
[19:47] <jhutchins> frimend: Please explain what went wrong.
[19:48] <frimend> I could not boot.
[19:48] <frimend> I got as far as login screen, but when I entered password and tried to sign in, I got back to login screen.
[19:49] <TJ-> frimend: frimend because you hid the existing /home/ under the new one
[19:49] <TJ-> frimend: are you using console only? no GUI?
[19:49] <frimend> I have some GUI, I installed the desktop version of 16.04 ubuntu.
[19:50] <frimend> but to repair fstab I started up in recovery mode, and used root console to repair fstab.
[19:50] <TJ-> frimend: right, and you've hidden key files required by the desktop. Is the PC in front of you, or a remote PC in a datacenter?
[19:50] <frimend> I'm sitting by it now, chatting with you.
[19:52] <frimend> TJ-: Could it be so easy as to copy all contents of the current /home/frimend to /mnt/md0/frimend ?
[19:52] <TJ-> frimend: OK, well, you'll need to log-out of the GUI, mount your /dev/md0 /mnt/md0/ as before, then "sudo rsync -av /home/ /mnt/md0/" to copy all the files over to the RAID1 device, then you can change /etc/fstab to /dev/md0 /home and you'll be fine
[19:53] <jnxd> TJ-: LiveISO
[19:55] <TJ-> jnxd: I'd suspect some kind of corruption in the image, or whilst reading from the USB. It sounds as if the Xorg server is in a loop trying to start, failing, and trying again. As you've tried nomodeset and that's no longer helping it seems to be deeper than a 'simple' kernel mode-setting issue
[19:55] <frimend> Is there some shortcut or simple way to log out of the gui? Rebooting and running recovery mode feels encumbering.
[19:56] <TJ-> frimend: just logout, then do Ctrl+Alt+F2 to get a text console on tty2, tap a key if needed to get the "Login:" prompt
[19:57] <TJ-> frimend: unlike with the GUI, there's only one file that might be upset by being copied whilst in use and that's .bash_history, which isn't vital.
[19:57] <jnxd> TJ-: Its really stochastic and is happenign with multiple usbs. Right now I somehow got a MATE live session running. I'll install with that and see what happens
[19:59] <TJ-> jnxd: it's possible there's some weird interaction with the PC itself, but usually these things end up being corrupted images on the DVD/USB
[19:59] <TJ-> jnxd: I always check the image's checksum AFTER writing it to the USB, to be sure
[20:00] <jnxd> I verified sha256sum, that's as much as I could do
[20:00] <jnxd> oddly there was an antergos usb that ran once, but again started giving the errors
[20:00] <TJ-> jnxd: of the downloaded ISO, but presumably not after it was on the USB (since that's more difficult to do)
[20:01] <TJ-> jnxd: problem with the USB port?
[20:01] <jnxd> yes, not after
[20:02] <jnxd> I really don't want to open my setup right now
[20:04] <melleb> Hi all, still unable to connect to wifi. Last time TJ- offered help and suggested installing the hwe kernel, to no avail unfortuna
[20:04] <melleb> tly
[20:07] <melleb> My wifi driver is the ath10k_pci
[20:08] <melleb> For some reason wifi suddenly stopped working, then yesterday evening it worked again (but badly, while sitting next to my AP)
[20:08] <melleb> Yesterday I woke up the laptop from sleep. Today nothing seems to work again...
[20:10] <MannyLNJ> Every time I  boot my computer I get the message that there was a problem. How do I see where it logged the problem so I can start looking for help?
[20:11] <TJ-> melleb: is it a power-related issue? Does it work reliably from a cold boot, but have problems with warm-boot or suspend/resume? if so, that'd suggest an ACPI issue
[20:11] <ioria> MannyLNJ, take a look in /var/crash
[20:12] <melleb> TJ-: Hi again ;) It does not work from cold boot as well, I'll test to be sure.
[20:12] <MannyLNJ> ioria, thank you. Looks like mediascanner has crashed.
[20:12] <frimend> TJ-: Did as you adviced, everything turned out well. Thanks!
[20:12] <TJ-> frimend: glad to hear it :)
[20:13] <MannyLNJ> TJ-, Looks like I can remove it because I don't play media on this system
[20:13] <TJ-> melleb: hmmm! it's a weird one fir sure
[20:13] <ioria> !info mediascanner
[20:13] <ioria> !info mediascanner trussty
[20:13] <ioria> !info mediascanner trusty
[20:14] <ioria> MannyLNJ, are you on trussty 14.04 ?
[20:14] <MannyLNJ> ioria, Negatic 16.04
[20:14] <TJ-> melleb: are there any unusual characters in the WiFi WPA2 TKIP passphrase? Wondering if there's a locale issue
[20:15] <yomm> Hi, In Ubuntu there is no module lirc_serial in the lirc package while it it present in xubuntu. is this a bug/issue ?
[20:15] <ioria> !info mediascanner xenial
[20:15] <melleb> TJ-: Nope all alphanmeric
[20:15] <ioria> MannyLNJ,  these is no mediascanner on xenial 16.04 ...
[20:15] <TJ-> melleb: Are you able to test it with an open network just to see if this is an auth issue, rather than a connection issue?
[20:16] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   apt-cahce policy mediascanner
[20:16] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   apt-cache  policy mediascanner
[20:17] <melleb> TJ-: Not yet, I'll set up an AP from my phone to test
[20:17] <MannyLNJ> ioria, says unable to locatte package but in /var.crash it shows  whoopsie 905767 Dec  2 15:06 _usr_bin_mediascanner-service-2.0.1000.crash
[20:17] <melleb> TJ-: Just to confirm, it does not work with a cold boot
[20:17] <TJ-> melleb: and to confirm, you're connecting to an 802.11ac AP (5GHz band) ?
[20:17] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   can you paste   dpkg -l | grep  mediascanner
[20:18] <TJ-> melleb: is it possible the AP is operating on a channel the PC cannot access (due to regulatory domain issues) - what is the Reg Domain of the AP and the PC?
[20:18] <MannyLNJ> ioria https://paste.ubuntu.com/26097922/
[20:19] <melleb> TJ-: I believe its 2.4ghz
[20:20] <melleb> TJ-: Mobile AP without password works fine
[20:20] <TJ-> melleb: I though the atheros was 802.11ac device only?
[20:20] <melleb> TJ-: How do I check?
[20:21] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   looks like you have two versions of that software installed ; one for trusty and one for xenial
[20:21] <MannyLNJ> ioria, that could explain the crashing. I will try to uninstall it
[20:21] <TJ-> melleb: "lspci -nn -d ::0280" should show it
[20:22] <ioria> MannyLNJ,   yep, you need to remove the trusty one
[20:23] <melleb> TJ-: It shows "Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter [168c:003e]"
[20:24] <frimend> Oh, everything wasn't perfect it seems.
[20:24] <frimend> The folder "Desktop" does't correspond to desktop anymore.
[20:24] <frimend> and neither does Download
[20:24] <TJ-> melleb: When you do "iwlist XXX scan" do you see 2.4 and 5.xGHz APs/channels ?
[20:24] <frimend> There is now a 1:1 mapping between my /home/frimend and what I see at desktop.
[20:24] <frimend> and all downloads land direcly there as well.
[20:25] <TJ-> frimend: did you have some weird aliasing going on there?
[20:25] <TJ-> frimend: was original /home/ in the same file-system as the root / ?
[20:25] <frimend> Not that I know of. I probably destoryed something when I removed, copied removed again, rsync etc etc.
[20:25] <melleb> TJ-: Frequency of the one I'm trying to connect to is 2.427 GHz, I also see there's at least one 5GHz frequency
[20:26] <frimend> I think so, except one was just ext4 and the other one is a raid.
[20:26] <frimend> perhaps there is some mismatch there.
[20:26] <TJ-> melleb: right, and are any 2.4GHz APs showing up there? I assume so but want to be 100% sure
[20:26] <frimend> Problem could probably be resolved just by removing the user and creating a fresh one.
[20:26] <melleb> TJ-: Yes
[20:27] <TJ-> frimend: you can check by mounting the original again with (as root user) "mkdir /mnt/rootfs; mount --bind / /mnt/rootfs; ls -la /mnt/rootfs/home/$USER/" ... basically un-hiding your original $HOME so you can compare
[20:28] <TJ-> melleb: OK, so it looks like an auth issue then. So need to enable verbose/debug logging from wpa_supplicant
[20:28] <frimend> Not so easy! Since I am reckless I have deleted everything. And alas.. there is no undo in unix.
[20:31] <TJ-> melleb: here's a link to instructions; check the "Debugging wpa_supplicant 0.7 and later" section https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/NetworkManager/Debugging
[20:35] <melleb> TJ-: Thanks for the pointer, I'll report back later
[20:46] <snowkidind> apache config question?
[20:46] <snowkidind> Server is config'ed to serve node.js, but phpmyadmin request appears to be caught by the node app - should be handled with apache2. What should I do?
[20:46] <snowkidind> conf-enabled/phpmyadmin.conf is installed
[20:46] <gordonjcp> snowkidind: nuke it from orbit
[20:47] <snowkidind> lol thats nice
[20:47] <gordonjcp> snowkidind: you could just set a root password, and post the IP address and password on reddit
[20:47] <gordonjcp> that's probably less effort than trying to get phpmyadmin working
[20:47] <snowkidind> can you help
[20:48] <gordonjcp> okay
[20:48] <snowkidind> https://hastebin.com/enudexuhej.apache
[20:48] <snowkidind> actually thats old
[20:48] <gordonjcp> make absolutely sure there is no possibility of phpmyadmin being seen by anything outside your network
[20:48] <gordonjcp> do that now, before you even start
[20:48] <melleb> TJ-: I've changed the Exec line in the service file (appended -f /var/log/wpa_supplicant.log -dd) and restarted wpa_supplicant and network-manager services
[20:48] <snowkidind> Its on an ami and is already as you say
[20:49] <snowkidind> only way to access it is by direct ip that is whitelisted on aws security policy
[20:49] <gordonjcp> okay, that's probably okayish
[20:49] <snowkidind> also, i dont really care that much, dev server
[20:49] <melleb> TJ-: So far I only see the scans of the SSID in the log
[20:50] <gordonjcp> snowkidind: is php working *at all* in your server?
[20:50] <snowkidind> yup
[20:50] <snowkidind> via php -v
[20:50] <gordonjcp> okay
[20:50] <melleb> TJ-: Oh wait, I need to run those dbus commands...
[20:50] <TJ-> melleb: it's when it tries to connect it shuld get interesting
[20:50] <gordonjcp> snowkidind: right, but from apache
[20:50] <snowkidind> not sure how to check that
[20:50] <gordonjcp> snowkidind: looking at your config file, I think it's just ignoring the second Virtualhost section
[20:50] <snowkidind> i rewrote that
[20:51] <snowkidind> hold on
[20:51] <gordonjcp> snowkidind: I can't remember what apache does when faced with two identical Virtualhost definitions, I think it only uses the first
[20:51] <snowkidind> thats why i rewrote it
[20:52] <gordonjcp> tell you what would be easy
[20:52] <snowkidind> new https://hastebin.com/voqiduyawi.apache
[20:52] <gordonjcp> make the second Virtualhost run on a different port, so phpmyadmin is as your.host.tld:8080
[20:52] <snowkidind> then you have all the amazon security policies to deal with
[20:53] <gordonjcp> yeah, but making it work the other way is a special hell
[20:53] <snowkidind> it cant be that messed up
[20:53] <snowkidind> ive got it working on three other machines
[20:53] <gordonjcp> okay, so what's different on this one?
[20:53] <snowkidind> for some reason apache is going straight to node
[20:54] <snowkidind> so that maybe the phpmyadmin conf? mod? isnt catching beforehand
[20:54] <gordonjcp> snowkidind: in fact a quick google suggests that it's not really possible to do that without putting them on different ports
[20:54] <snowkidind> you have to use some sort of proxy trick
[20:55] <gordonjcp> snowkidind: are you saying that you've got another server running both node and phpmyadmin?
[20:55] <gordonjcp> yes
[20:55] <gordonjcp> because node.js serves http just fine on its own
[20:55] <snowkidind> definitely ruby and php
[20:55] <gordonjcp> you then use apache as a frontend to it
[20:55] <snowkidind> cant remember if i was able to get node on or not
[20:55] <gordonjcp> I ended up switching to nginx a few years ago because apache was too rage-inducing to configure
[20:56] <snowkidind> it does happen to be a pain in the ass
[20:56] <gordonjcp> but
[20:56] <melleb> TJ-: The only thing it reports when connecting is: "PSK (ASCII passphrase) - hexdump_ascii(len=12): [REMOVED]"
[20:56] <snowkidind> but on the other hand i dont know nginx well
[20:56] <gordonjcp> it does still involve a couple of layers of things to get it working right
[20:56] <gordonjcp> like my forum uses flask, but that runs under uwsgi which is then proxied by nginx
[20:56] <gordonjcp> and a bunch of static stuff is served directly by nginx
[20:57] <snowkidind> right with ruby, passenger
[20:58] <TJ-> melleb: hmmm, and what's the response? is it authorised or denied?
[20:59] <melleb> TJ-: Not seeing anything
[21:00] <TJ-> melleb: how about in /var/log/syslog, from Network Manager?
[21:00] <snowkidind> gordonjcp apache2/conf-enabled/phpmyadmin.conf ->  https://hastebin.com/edifapazaj.apache
[21:00] <snowkidind> all i really need to do is point to that file, which i presume should happen anyway
[21:07] <melleb> TJ-: Ah, the verbose logging ends up in /var/log/syslog instead of the log file I specified...
[21:08] <TJ-> melleb: probably because NM had already started that service itself and specified the options, but you were able to talk to it in DBus
[21:08] <jnxd> Hello again. I managed to install everything somehow, but now I can't boot through the hard disk. It just says "Reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key"
[21:10] <melleb> TJ-: What am I looking for? ;) I see a LOT of messages... Is "WPA: Unrecognized EAPOL-Key Key Day IE" relevant?
[21:12] <TJ-> melleb: not sure! if you can share the log I might be able to spot a clue
[21:16] <melleb> TJ-: Capturing and putting it over via usb ;)
[21:21] <melleb> TJ-: Check https://pastebin.com/JY1Bn7RL
[21:21] <trekkie1701c> So I'm trying to run the live version of Ubuntu on my laptop prior to trying to install it to iron out any bugs beforehand.  I can't seem to get the Nvidia driver to install;  I've tried to Google the issue and I'm left with the system stuck in a loop.
[21:22] <trekkie1701c> Error is it failed to start the Nvidia presence daemon
[21:22] <trekkie1701c> I can't get more than that, as trying to log in from the command line hangs.
[21:23] <TJ-> melleb: line 264 "wlp2s0:    skip - blacklisted (count=1 limit=0)" ... maybe multiple failures have caused your AP to be blacklisted?
[21:24] <trekkie1701c> It works out of the box in Xubuntu, but I'd still like to figure out why.
[21:24] <TJ-> melleb: do you have multiple BSSs (APs) using the same SSID ?
[21:25] <melleb> TJ-: I tried 'sudo wpa_cli blacklist clear' but this has no effect
[21:25] <melleb> TJ-: No, just 1 AP
[21:25] <LanDi> how can I remove this error messages? https://hastebin.com/agozujawub.sql
[21:27] <TJ-> melleb: I'm wondering if your issue is too many APs operating in the same band, and you're suffering interference. Can you show me "sudo iwlist XXXX scan" ?
[21:28] <melleb> TJ-: Might this be something: The first time I run "sudo iwlist wlp2s0 scan" it mentions 'Device doesn't support scanning: Device or resource busy'
[21:28] <melleb> TJ-: Second time it works
[21:30] <TJ-> melleb: there'd have been a scan in progress when you issued the first command
[21:30] <TJ-> melleb: looking at your log, at 22:16:12 there's an AUTH request sent but it times out shortly after with the same timestamp, as if it's not giving time to do it
[21:32] <TJ-> melleb: hang on! that log shows you've got the client still configured for an "open" network auth... did you forget to change it back after that test earlier?
[21:32] <TJ-> melleb: "[1512249367.2884] Config: added 'auth_alg' value 'OPEN' "
[21:33] <WoLf> One quick help, please.. I'm trying to configure my network with NetworkManager for the first time, instead of using manual /etc/network/interfaces .. what's the proper way to add and remove an ip to a network device like it was with "up ip addr" ?
[21:33] <melleb> TJ-: Check https://pastebin.com/dKC4P1YF for the scan results
[21:33] <TJ-> WoLf: in the Connection Settings dialogs of the GUI applet
[21:33] <WoLf> 17.10, trying not to revert to old tools and giving the new stuff a chance.. I'm just completely lost on making this work =(
[21:34] <WoLf> TJ-: Any other way that does not require a GUI?
[21:35] <TJ-> WoLf: "nmtui" from the terminal
[21:35] <TJ-> melleb: is your AP SSID "VGV7519DD1FC5" ?
[21:35] <WoLf> Thanks! I'll look at that
[21:36] <melleb> TJ-: I did not change anything on the network I'm trying to connect to, the open network on my phone was there temporarily
[21:36] <melleb> TJ-: Yes that's the SSID
[21:37] <TJ-> melleb: right, well it's on channel 4 and you've got several other's on adjacent channels. I'd seriously expect problems connecting based on the signal levels of those, since the channels overlap each other
[21:38] <TJ-> melleb: as to whether that's the issue here I can't be sure, but it certainly won't help
[21:39] <melleb> TJ-: If that's the case, why don't other devices experience trouble connecting?
[21:39] <Bashing-om> LanDi: Whatever have you been doing to your sources ? pastebin ' cat -n /etc/apt/sources.list ; tail -v -n +1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ' . See what we can do .
[21:41] <TJ-> melleb: lines 159 through 183 of the wpa_supplicant log are the core of the issue. failure to auth, almost immediately
[21:42] <TJ-> melleb: not sure, just pointing it out. You said earlier, I think, it connected when you were next to the AP?
[21:42] <TJ-> melleb: or was that someone else?
[21:42] <melleb> TJ-: No that was me ;)
[21:43] <TJ-> melleb: right, which tends to lend credence to my hypothesis of interference. maybe this chipset isn't good at discriminating
[21:44] <TJ-> melleb: as I suggested before - can you move the AP to use the 5GHz band? it's usually more empty AND you can expect better throughput
[21:44] <TJ-> melleb: some APs will operate in both bands simultaneously
[21:44] <melleb> TJ-: I'll give it a try
[21:45] <TJ-> melleb: and make sure to keep clearing that WPA blacklist!
[21:51] <melleb> TJ-: Ehr.... fun fact... I rebooted with a NixOS usb drive and wireless works... I could try the same with an Ubuntu 16.04 usb drive?
[21:51] <TJ-> melleb: on 2.4Ghz !?
[21:51] <melleb> TJ-: It's the same network, so I guess
[21:51] <melleb> TJ-: Let me check
[21:52] <TJ-> melleb: check and record which versions of the kernel ("uname -r") and "wpa_supplicant -v" is in use
[21:53] <melleb> TJ-: kernel 4.9.25
[21:54] <melleb> TJ-: wpa_supplicant v2.6
[21:54] <TJ-> melleb: and was it Ubuntu 16.04 ? that's using wpa_supplicant 2.4
[21:54] <TJ-> melleb: OK, now we've got a lead, lets hunt for bug reports in wpa_supplicant
[21:56] <melleb> TJ-: Maybe your idea was correct after all, the network is really flaky
[21:57] <melleb> TJ-: Normally I'm running on ubuntu 16.04 btw yes
[21:58] <TJ-> melleb: could be more than 1 issue combining too
[21:58] <melleb> TJ-: Meh....
[21:59] <luisgarciaalanis> Hello,
[21:59] <melleb> TJ-: I'll have a go with changing the channel of the router first
[21:59] <melleb> TJ-: And see if that fixes anything
[21:59] <luisgarciaalanis> I have a question about highDPI on Wayland
[21:59] <luisgarciaalanis> Anyone using like a 27-28 inch 4k display?
[22:00] <melleb> TJ-: The weird thing for me is that the (older) usb drive with NixOS has wifi working...
[22:00] <melleb> TJ-: albeit flaky
[22:01] <luisgarciaalanis> I want to buy one but I don't know what would look better 1440p or 4K (with fractional DPI since its non integer scaling)
[22:02] <TJ-> melleb: but NixOX has the v2.6 of wpa_sup, so that's a much later release than 16.04's v2.4
[22:03] <melleb> TJ-: that's true. If changing the channel doesn't work I'll make a 16.04 usb drive and check if that works. Otherwise I'll create 17.10 drive and test that
[22:03] <luisgarciaalanis> help appreciated
[22:04] <TJ-> melleb: right-ho. Keep me updated :)
[22:04] <TJ-> luisgarciaalanis: how far away from it are you going to be?
[22:04] <melleb> TJ-: Will do! Again, thanks a lot for your help. It's very much appreciated!
[22:06] <TJ-> melleb: one thing to note, if you try 17.10, you've already been using it's kernel in 16.04 (hwe-edge) so the only change will be the version of wpa_supplicant
[22:06] <luisgarciaalanis> TJ: It will be on a desk, so 2-3 feet I suppose
[22:06] <WoLf> TJ-: Thanks for the hint towards nmtui, I was able to configure the network in a working state.. The only issue at this point is to know if it's possible to have it dynamic as it was before, (using up and down in interfaces), or if that's too complex for this new tool.. I don't see any option for that in it.
[22:08] <MannyLNJ> My LiveCD does not have hardinfo how can I get it so I can benchmark a system? apt-get hardinfo doesn't work
[22:08] <TJ-> WoLf: ifupdown package uses /etc/network/interfaces; Network Manager is entirely separate. You can configure many more option with N.M. too. The connection can be configured to use the Method: DHCP for automatic addressing, and is the usual way it is done on Ubuntu desktop systems
[22:09] <melleb> TJ-: That's good to know. If that works, and the others fail, we've finally pinned down the culprit
[22:09] <WoLf> TJ-: ifupdown was deprecated and removed from 17.10 that's why I'm going through the process of learning how to deal with this the NM way.
[22:09] <melleb> TJ-: Thanks again, will let you know how this works out! gtg
[22:09] <TJ-> WoLf: right. if you're using ubuntu-server it's usually systemd-networkd instead of N.M.
[22:10] <luisgarciaalanis> TJ-: It will be on a desk, so 2-3 feet I suppose (forgot the -)
[22:11] <TJ-> luisgarciaalanis: you need to consider how small the text can be before it becomes uncomfortable for you (as in, no point having 4K if you need larger text), or if you have a graphics image intensive workflow that requires a lot of detail (in which case I'd want something with high dynamic range).
[22:14] <luisgarciaalanis> TJ-: 4k at 27-28 inch would be too small so I would want to set the scaling up, but 200% would be like having a 1080p display but crisper, too big. I currently have a 1080p 23 inch display and I can clearly see its too big for that resolution because it looks blurry compared to modern laptops
[22:14] <WoLf> Thanks for the help and for steering me in the right direction TJ- , it seems I have quite a manual to read =)
[22:14] <luisgarciaalanis> TJ-: I wish I could buy a couple of 5k displays but they are 1.5K each
[22:14] <MannyLNJ> My LiveCD does not have hardinfo how can I get it so I can benchmark a system? apt-get hardinfo doesn't work
[22:15] <luisgarciaalanis> TJ-: I am a developer, so I code C/C++/GO/node...
[22:17] <luisgarciaalanis> TJ-: what do you use?
[22:18] <luisgarciaalanis> I find it hard to find information online, since wayland is so new and NVidia does not play nice with it. I find info about XRandr, but not on what is better.
[22:19] <TJ-> luisgarciaalanis: I've got 6 1920x1200 displays, I generally assign each to a different task (portrait orientation for documentation, etc.)
[22:19] <luisgarciaalanis> 6?! wow!
[22:19] <TJ-> luisgarciaalanis:on a laptop :)
[22:20] <luisgarciaalanis> TJ-: nice
[22:20] <luisgarciaalanis> TJ-: do you use Wayland?
[22:21] <luisgarciaalanis> TJ-: or higher than 100% DPI?
[22:21] <TJ-> luisgarciaalanis: so I'm biased. This is with Xorg. I doubt Wayland would know what to do!
[22:21] <gordonjcp> I think I need a new graphics card, it looks like NVidia dropped support for this one
[22:21] <TJ-> luisgarciaalanis: there's 5 x 24" and the 15" LCD, all 1920x1200, scale 1:1
[22:23] <TJ-> luisgarciaalanis: One reason I prefer multiple monitors is I also use multiple X screens to group them in twos, and so I don't have to deal with overlapping windows
[22:23] <luisgarciaalanis> gordonjcp: try AMD they have open source drivers
[22:23] <TJ-> gordonjcp: I use nouveau without any issues; does it not support that GPU?
[22:24] <gordonjcp> TJ-: maybe, does nouveau do 3d acceleration?
[22:24] <gordonjcp> luisgarciaalanis: I've never got AMD to work
[22:24] <luisgarciaalanis> TJ-: mu nvidia card freezes with Nouveau, 550ti
[22:25] <gordonjcp> what's the current opengl benchmark of choice for Linux?
[22:25] <TJ-> gordonjcp: so far as I know, yes. Never noticed any problems
[22:25] <luisgarciaalanis> I don't know since I don't game
[22:25] <gordonjcp> luisgarciaalanis: this is more for CAD
[22:25] <luisgarciaalanis> perhaps I can donate the card to the driver developers
[22:26] <gordonjcp> hm, cheapest AMD card I can find is £120 and has two massive fans on it
[22:26] <luisgarciaalanis> so that they find the issue and patch the driver for other users to benefit
[22:26] <luisgarciaalanis> I think the fans wont turn on until you push the card
[22:26] <luisgarciaalanis> any decent modern card has fans
[22:27] <gordonjcp> this one only has a fairly small fan, that hardly ever comes on
[22:27] <luisgarciaalanis> I just ordered a rx 580 see how it does
[22:27] <luisgarciaalanis> TJ-: Wayland with gnome has fractional scaling
[22:28] <luisgarciaalanis> gordonjcp: I am building a new computer to replace my aged q6600 cuad core that is unbearable.
[22:29] <gordonjcp> luisgarciaalanis: it's weird, I've got two identical Dell i7s here, one is weirdly slow and the other is okay
[22:29] <gordonjcp> luisgarciaalanis: although it might be that the okay one hasn't updated its graphics drivers yet
[22:29] <luisgarciaalanis> perhaps the fan is not working on one of them, and its throtlign
[22:30] <Bashing-om> gordonjcp: What card/driver ? http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142/~/support-timeframes-for-unix-legacy-gpu-releases . I run fine with a $38 nvidia GTX710 card .
[22:31] <gordonjcp> Bashing-om: not sure, tbh, let me check
[22:32] <gordonjcp> Bashing-om: Quadro FX580
[22:32] <Bashing-om> gordonjcp: ' sudo lshw -C display ' .
[22:33] <luisgarciaalanis> TJ-: that is why I wanted to inquiry about it.
[22:34] <gordonjcp> Bashing-om: but yeah, the local shop has GT710s for £34
[22:35] <Bashing-om> gordonjcp: 5800 ( 2 zeros ) .. then : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/123703/en-us . still supported but not for long .
[23:05] <hfp> Hi, I am running Ubuntu 17.10 and I use copyq to keep a history if my copy pastes. It works fine except that I have to manually start it every time my system reboots. It has an option to autostart and it was doing just that in 17.04. How do I get it to do the same in 17.10?
[23:13] <pavlos> hfp: click on activities, look for startup applications preferences, add your app in there
[23:20] <SethT> could someone recommend a good mysql ui for ubuntu?
[23:22] <mittens> can u play steam on laptop
[23:22] <mittens> or is it recommended to have a desktop
[23:22] <WoLf> Steam will run fine on a laptop.. the games in it might not.
[23:22] <WoLf> It all depends on what laptop and which games.
[23:22] <mittens> thanks WoLF
[23:23] <mittens> I just want to play CS
[23:23] <mittens> but it's been more than 15 years
[23:23] <WoLf> It will probably run, it's a quite old game.
[23:23] <WoLf> and not really demanding.
[23:24] <mittens> thanx
[23:27] <adrian_1908> yeah, assuming there are compatibility issues (due to old age), it will run just fine!
[23:27] <mittens> WoLf BloodSong I spent all night yesterday trying to download and launch tor and steam and failed... the processes that ran in terminal after putting in accurate commands were not the same as what it's supposed to show on youtube tutorials - I suspect there's an issue with my recent upgrade to 17.10
[23:27] <adrian_1908> *no issues
[23:27] <mittens> adrian_1908 cool!
[23:27] <mittens> so I'm trying to reinstall 17.10
[23:28] <mittens> reset the computer completely. I have no files to lose. I would need a usb unit at this point I imagine
[23:29]  * mittens goes to look for usb drive
[23:32] <mittens> uh hard to believe that I actually managed to find my usb drive
[23:33] <mittens> sandisk
[23:41] <mittens> can anyone please help me? I messed around with some reset-related commands last night in Terminal, plus have recently upgraded to 17.10 and things are not working properly, I can't seem to download and I can't seem to launch applications. I need to reinstall the ubuntu I think, but I can't even download 17.10 to my usb drive - but I still have old version of ubuntu saved in my usb drive, I would take that and settle.
[23:41] <mittens> I need tips on how to go about installing my usb drive's ubuntu over my 17.10 ver that's not working properly
[23:43] <Bashing-om> mittens: Easiest solution for a new user to linux . in the onstaller choose " erase disk and install ubuntu" . - be aware it does just that ! If Windows in on the drive it is gone gone .
[23:43] <mittens> yes my windows has been gone so it's good, ok I will try that thanku!
[23:45] <Bashing-om> mittens: :) .. once you get the hang of linux and you know your use case.. you will want to partition the drive(s) to suit .
[23:45] <mittens> I can't seem to find onstaller
[23:45] <mittens> if u meant installer I can't find that either
[23:45] <mittens> >< sorry
[23:46] <Bashing-om> mittens: reset the boot order in bios . Boot the liveUSB .
[23:46] <mittens> ok!
[23:49] <edisonbulb> How do i disable the annoying transparent dock and menu bar? I have tried Settings and gnome-tweak-tool
[23:49] <edisonbulb> I want it to be a solid color
[23:50] <edisonbulb> Also my PC is sort of low-power (LGA775 with a Pentium) so it is a bit taxing along with the excessive animations