[07:10] <flocculant> bluesabre: when I boot pc - pa-plugin is grey till it gets clicked > https://i.imgur.com/r81yEQU.png
[07:10] <flocculant> and ack parole 
[11:49] <bluesabre> flocculant: that's weird
[11:50] <bluesabre> flocculant: when you boot, can you restart the panel before clicking on it to see if it is grey even after a panel restart?
[11:51] <bluesabre> if yes, build with --prefix=/usr --enable-debug=full
[11:51] <bluesabre> and then kill the panel and run it with
[11:51] <bluesabre> PANEL_DEBUG=all xfce4-panel
[11:52] <bluesabre> and send me the output from that after a few seconds (long enough for everything to load and then some)
[12:09] <flocculant> ack - doing that now then
[12:17] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - so grey after panel restart, rebuilding it, went belly up, no plugin to add to panel > http://paste.ubuntu.com/26094953/
[12:20] <flocculant> guess something not liking debug=full
[12:20] <flocculant> in and out today 
[13:36] <bluesabre> flocculant: that makes no sense, good job!
[13:46] <flocculant> :p
[14:22] <flocculant> bluesabre: obviously I have all the ppas
[14:22] <flocculant> anyway - bbl - probably