[03:24] <ducasse> good morning, all
[06:48] <EriC^^> morning ducasse o/
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[07:11] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje, how's life?
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> fine here mate
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> had food all day yesterday
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> you had nice weekend ducasse ?
[07:14] <ducasse> yum, what did you eat?
[07:14] <ducasse> weekend was ok, just a bit stressed as you know
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> we had tortelini bolognese with cheese in the oven
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> then pancakes with coffee as desert
[07:18] <ducasse> when i was in belgium i had crepes with honey sauce and ice cream - amazing :D
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> mmm, didnt know you went to belgium?
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: wich city was that
[07:21] <ducasse> i went there for a conference - raid/esorics
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> cool
[07:23] <ducasse> 'recent advances in intrusion detection/something something in computer security' :)
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> neat
[07:23] <ducasse> it was in louvain-la-neuve
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> leuven, nice
[07:27] <ducasse> leuven is a 'sister city', isn't it? we went there as well, had dinner in an old monastery.
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:30] <ducasse> louvain-la-neuve was a very pretty place, i thought. i loved the narrow old streets with shops and little 'bridges' over them :)
[07:31] <ducasse> and then the very modern part, where the university was
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> yeah i know that place
[07:35] <ducasse> i worked for sun back then. we went out drinking with a guy from sun germany and a guy from ibm. there were two guys from nsa giving a talk, we asked them to come with us, but they said they weren't allowed :(
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> huh
[07:35] <ducasse> we had great fun, though - gave so much tips the bartender drove us back to the hotel :)
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> i didnt know you were interested in security part ducasse
[07:36] <ducasse> that's what i did the last few years i worked
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> cool mate
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[08:12] <ducasse> i wonder...
[08:12] <ducasse> !bsd
[10:54] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:55] <ducasse> good morning to you, BluesKaj
[10:55] <BluesKaj> 'Morning ducasse, how are you today?
[10:56] <ducasse> i'm ok, just sleepy. feel like it's late in the day even though it's only noon - woke up at four :)
[10:57] <BluesKaj> heh, I know the feeling.was awake at 4 here as well
[11:10] <ducasse> it's just these damn meds that disagree with me, but only 2 1/2 day left now, so i'll survive :)
[11:11] <BluesKaj> good to hear ducasse
[11:12] <BluesKaj> I nap too much during the day, that's my problem
[11:12] <ducasse> upgraded my desktop to artful today, not a single hiccup
[11:13] <BluesKaj> cool :-)
[11:14] <BluesKaj> Artful's been very stable for me so far.. so has Bionic
[11:14] <ducasse> really fast process too, got ~25MB/s from the mirror
[11:14] <BluesKaj> nice
[11:16] <ducasse> i'll upgrade this laptop to bionic really soon, just waiting for a couple of ppas i need to add packages for it
[11:16] <BluesKaj> I'm planning to switch to high speed fiber optics when it arrived here in the spring ...my ISP claims we'll have it available in late april/early may
[11:17] <BluesKaj> arrives
[11:18] <BluesKaj> the local cable c offers it , but their pricing suffers from "creep charges"
[11:25] <ducasse> they're digging trenches for new fibre where i live now, and at the same time the cable company is promising to upgrade their fiber to the node to ftth
[11:27] <BluesKaj> most fiber optics here ends at a distibution box and is copper wire from there
[11:28] <BluesKaj> in my neighbouthood
[11:29] <ducasse> today i get copper from the distribution box, but when they upgrade i'll get cat6 straight from the wall
[11:29] <ducasse> but hell, i've got more bandwidth than i need now
[11:30] <BluesKaj> I'd be happy with 50mb
[11:30] <ducasse> i pay for 250mbps, and typically get ~300
[11:31] <ducasse> only 30 up, though, that's what i'd like to get more of
[11:35] <BluesKaj> we have such long distances to cover here that the internet infrastructure is very expensive to construct and maintain, but the priced are still too high even after their initial costs have already been recovered
[11:36] <BluesKaj> +
[11:43] <ducasse> i've read the horrifying articles about the billions and billions us telcos have been subsidized to build out internet (especially to rural areas) in the us, and how they fight municipalities wanting to build their own...
[11:44] <ducasse> "we can't afford it, but you shouldn't be allowed to!"
[11:48] <BluesKaj> we have 3 large telcos here, then there are about 5 smaller operators who are expanding rapidly in unserviced areas the big 3 just ignore at their peril I might add. but the smaller operators are using the same billing tactics as the big guys...unknown made up charges that increas one's bill by up to 15-20 %
[11:53] <BluesKaj> some of the big American ISPs were looking at Canada a few yrs ago but concluded they couldn't make much money here...already too crowded competition-wise
[11:54] <ducasse> telcos/internet providers are _heavily_ regulated here, so there's cutthroat competition. their prices are pretty much the same, the difference is mostly what areas they've built out so far.
[11:57] <BluesKaj> ducasse, thee are a lot of municipally run ISPs in small towns all over Canada, the big telcos constantly presure them and the gov't  to buy them out , but the voters in the small townsa are the share holders and vote against the takeovers in most cases
[11:58]  * ducasse applaud canadian voters
[11:58] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:00] <ducasse> most of the internet providers here also provide tv somehow, and many voip. mine is also a mvno, i'm actually considering switching to them, as i'd get a dirt cheap bundle price.
[12:02] <BluesKaj> in one case where the takever was successful , the telco reduced the internet speeds without lowering the prices, so the town appealed to the gov't regulators to buy the ISP back and were successful
[12:03] <ducasse> :D
[12:04] <BluesKaj> bundles are a marketing ploy here. it's cheap for 3-6 mos then your bill skyrockets
[12:04] <ducasse> another us invention that hasn't caught on here: caps. none of the providers here have them.
[12:06] <BluesKaj> we have them, but the gov't is trying to maqke them go away, especially on mobile phones...the overcap chatges are atrocious
[12:06] <ducasse> the bundle thing is a bit different here, they announce the full price, then offer you say 3 months totally free if you sign on. but there's no small print, the full price is clearly listed. and still cheap in my case.
[12:07] <BluesKaj> cool, wish we had those regs
[12:08] <ducasse> "hurry, guys - the internet is running out of bits, make some more!"
[12:10] <BluesKaj> the data service is turned off on my phone... I don't think of it as a computer due to the costs
[12:10] <ducasse> if i sign on to their mobile package i get a bit lower price than now, 8x as much data (which i don't need, but might change my habits), plus i get hbo nordic for free included
[12:11] <ducasse> plus i get everything on one bill
[12:20] <BluesKaj> well, I used to have one bill, but it was too high, I saved over $100/mos by switching my internet and phone a different provider and dropping a a couple of tv packages that we seldom watched
[12:24] <ducasse> i don't really watch tv, so i only have the basic package i can't de-select. i asked if they could take it away and give me more bandwidth instead, but they said "sorry, no" :)
[12:25] <ducasse> it costs next to nothing and gives me ~60-70 channels or so, so i can live with it.
[12:32] <BluesKaj> I'm seriously thinking of just using IPTV once I get enough bandwidth and dropping the sat service altogether
[12:35] <ducasse> to be perfectly honest, i use the 'unofficial' form of iptv. i _do_ pay for watching the series, why can't i download them and watch when i feel like it?
[12:38] <ducasse> but we should probably not go into detail on that here...
[12:39] <BluesKaj> guntbert, we have that regulation here in Canada, if you subscribe to the channel then any shows on that are legal to download
[12:40] <BluesKaj> ducasse, ^
[12:40] <BluesKaj> sorry guntbert , somehow  typo'd your nick wih the tab key
[12:43] <ducasse> cool, we should get that here. otoh, nobody here really cares what you download anyway, so it's not a big deal. they tried imposing dns-blocking on the major ips's, but discovered that *everyone* got around that the same day it came into effect. after that they sort of gave up :)
[12:43] <BluesKaj> hehe
[12:46] <ducasse> the pirate party is growing steadily here, and actually have built up a pretty sane and decent program. people have started taking them seriously, it's no longer being seen as the "we want free movies!"-party
[12:48] <ducasse> they've gotten a lot of support for wanting to experiment with 'citizen wage' (dunno a better english term)
[12:48] <BluesKaj> back in the audio cassette era, Sony was sued by a record company for marketing blank tape, our supreme court ruled that if the recording is made from the ownwrs mewdia being vinyl or prerecorded cassette at the time owns the rights to that material for his own use.
[12:49] <ducasse> same here, backups are legal
[12:50] <ducasse> the record companies still get a cut from blank cd's, though. who knows why.
[12:55] <BluesKaj> ducasse, yeah think citizen wage is a coming thing ...the population is given a livable wage by the federal gov't rather than pay social welfare, which is handled by muncicpality and provincial gov'ts here, altho that money is covered by the feds indirectly thru social welfare payments to the provinces
[12:59] <ducasse> it makes a lot of sense. i saw a program on two cities, one in finland and one in the netherlands that are trying it, and it was a roaring success. increased the living standard for everyone, made them feel better, and made more money available in the area (if you understand me,  bad at translating this)
[13:05] <BluesKaj> yeah, i recall that trial program in Finland seemed quite successful
[13:08] <ducasse> they've been talking about it here, only the two major right-wing parties are against it. unfortunately they control stortinget now...
[13:22] <Nokaji> The computer age was promised to deliver the leisure age, where we go from say 48/48/48 to say 30/30/30
[13:23] <Nokaji> where those numbers represent hours-per-week/weeks-per-year/years-per-lifespan
[13:23] <Nokaji> working
[13:23] <Nokaji> bbut they kept the money/profits instead and made us work twice as hard
[13:30] <ducasse> production costs goes up -> prices increase -> salaries stay the same
[13:56] <ducasse> i just *love* newbie web developers
[13:57] <ducasse> 14:54 <ducasse> Neo1: you've typed 'ServerAllas' instead of 'ServerAlias'
[13:57] <ducasse> 14:55 <Neo1> ducasse: I deliberately did it, I thought alias is wrong, well
[14:26] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[14:47] <pauljw> wb
[14:48] <BluesKaj> hi pauljw, thanks
[14:48] <pauljw> how's things today, BluesKaj?
[14:49] <BluesKaj> setting up the activities and VD pager options
[14:49] <pauljw> :)
[14:50] <ducasse> i'm playing with xfce on artful, really strange after using i3 for so long :)
[14:56] <BluesKaj> tried to use i3 , but i found yakuake does the job for my needs , multiple  terminals aren't really needed
[14:57] <pauljw> i love xfce, been using it on everything lately.
[15:16] <ducasse> xfce is nice and all, but i'm probably going back to i3 on this laptop as well. just so much nicer to do everything from the keyboard, and feels more efficient. highly subjective, though.
[15:19] <pauljw> yep, that's the beauty of choice, i'm not as comfortable with keyboarding everything.
[15:21] <ducasse> this is the reason i love linux, you can always find something that suits you and your way of doing things
[15:23] <pauljw> agreed
[15:46] <ducasse> i find i use xfce muxh like i3 - terminals everywhere, a few graphical applications fullscreen on their own desktops, and control everything with the keyboard as far as possible :)
[15:46] <ducasse> if only it had proper tiling... :)
[15:47] <pauljw> :)
[15:50] <pauljw> i don't use anything fullscreen, when i'm doing updates i have 4 terminals open but normally just two, one running glances and one running iftop
[15:51] <BluesKaj> ahh, The Grand Tour is back this coming friday, looking forward to it 😂
[15:52] <ducasse> i've got to remember to buy ice cream or something :)
[15:58] <BluesKaj> gawd is the Neo character still hanging about asking for hand holding ...
[16:06] <ducasse> i've told him time and time again he's  trying to do something far beyond his skill level and to buy and read a book or at the least read docs online, but he only wants to watch youtube videos
[16:11] <BluesKaj> heh, monkey see, monkey do :-)
[16:12] <BluesKaj> wonder how good his english comprehension is
[16:14] <ducasse> terrible. he showed a screesnshot the other day, he uses google translate to understand us.
[16:17] <BluesKaj> ahh yeah, he's Ukrainian
[17:12] <immu> hiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[17:13] <ducasse> hi immu
[17:13] <immu> ducasse, hello
[17:14] <immu> good i caught someones attention :)
[17:14] <immu> how are you doing
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[18:50] <xangua> Good night
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> hey xangua
[18:50] <xangua> Hi
[18:55] <ducasse> hi lotuspsychje
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[18:57] <lotuspsychje> just build our xmas tree with books
[19:01] <Sveta> do you have a photo?
[19:02] <lotuspsychje> lets upload :p
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> https://imgur.com/a/4T3Jy
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> hey Bashing-om
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> the light overlight a bit
[19:06] <pauljw> hey lotuspsychje
[19:06] <lotuspsychje> hey pauljw
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: wanna have a look at ducasse bug found: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ncmpcpp/+bug/1734839 tell us what you think?
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> no devs update yet..
[19:11] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Hey hey .. hoz things ?
[19:14] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: run it under 'strace' and see what it's doing: "strace -f -o /tmp/ncmpcpp.log ncmpcpp"
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: ^
[19:16] <TJ-> strace should show if it is actually reading the user's config file for example
[19:17] <TJ-> It could be an apparmor issue too
[19:17] <TJ-> check auth.log
[19:23] <ducasse> interesting. i upgraded the zesty machine to artful today, and it works perfectly there. the machine it was not working on was a completely fresh artful install...
[19:24] <TJ-> for which the default host is  localhost
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> im fine Bashing-om ty ;)
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> hi immu
[19:35] <immu> hi lotus
[19:35] <immu> hi lotuspsychje
[19:40] <ducasse> TJ-: mpd was not running on localhost, but an rpi
[19:40] <ducasse> good evening, immu
[19:41] <immu> its good nite here:)
[19:41] <ducasse> all well in dubai?
[19:41] <immu> whats up
[19:41] <immu> yeah
[19:42] <immu> yurs
[19:54] <immu> good nite of to sleep mates
[21:03] <lotuspsychje> nite nite guys