 @joshumax, sweeet.  I'm a Mako guy myself.  I pack Mako.  I spread Mako love.  And more...
 @joshumax, somebody get this guy $10 if it can port Ubuntu Touch to 100 devices by Friday....
 Im on the oneplus devices
 OPO, OP3, OP3T, and OP5 do work with Xenial
 what needs work then?
 Well, they all have ports, but how do you define works? Like you can install Xenial on the OPO right now, but sound doesnt work, nore sim, nore half the apps.
 I played about with it for a little while when xenial became an easy flashing option so somethings maybe fixed now to be fair.
 @PhoenixLandPirate, well halium by itself is not ready
 bhushan has just introduced audio and camera support recently
 so some things are broken in halium
 they will `probably` work when they get implemented
 and for ubports bugs, that's also not really related to halium or porting
 it's just that the rootfs is not mature enough at that point
 Yeah my comment isnt about whats broken where, just saying 16.04 isnt ready on any oneplus devices yet :)
 @vanyasem, Thats exciting :D
 @PhoenixLandPirate, it's not device specific
 i just told you
 with halium porting is separated from the os
 16.04 is not ready, but halium ports are
 they are ready to the point halium allowes to currently
 matter of urgency: can I use xmir to ssh tunnel an X window from a server
 if so, how? D:
 @PhoenixLandPirate, Any plan for OP2?
 Anybody in devel with Nextcloud online account working or not ?
 not sure how deep the developers here are with NC but absolutely NC iS *SUPER* high on priority list.  we want to get there soon...
 it was working well with canonical UT so I feel this should be a low-lying fruit?
 @wayneoutthere What does it mean is super high priority for who  ?
 for the people, sorry.  I don't mean for the project.  I 'feel' it should be high but I'm just a guy
 we need calendar and cloud sync option soon
 The Nextcloud online account has been fixed, 2 weeks ago, in the devel and the calendar sync + Umark app works "nicely".
 really?
 uh... i missed that memo
 dang it. haha
 However today somebody mentioned that the calendar sync has some issue with his server... i'm trying to find is others have issues or not with that.
 Do you have Nextcloud @wayneoutthere ?
 y
 NC does my business cloud stuff and calendars
 try that : https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/umarks.ernesst
 calenar was working....
 ok thanks
 for Owncloud there is  : https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/owncloud-bookmarks.mardy
 @wayneoutthere, When ?
 Are you in Devel ?
 @Ern_st, yes. but.. maybe I just stuck a caldav link in there
 i set up my calendar long ago i can't remember process.
 i'll review in morning with a few other related things.. is file sync working?
 I don't think regarding file sync, not even sure if it's maintained
 that's super important
 it can be the no-brainer file sync/backup option
 @wayneoutthere, Ok please try the calendar sync.
 sure...  on my list
 thanks for NC add ons above.
 Sure no prob.
 @Ern_st, I got calendar to work. However, you must choose the generai caldav option and NOT the owncloud/nextcloud option
 @exar_kun, The Nextcloud option, at least, should work now.
 Owncloud i cannot test.
 Thanks! Any update on syncing contacts with Nextcloud?
 And do either calendar or contacts auto-sync yet? I recall having to manaully press the sync button.
 So far only the online account credential  validatoin for Nextcloud. Thus the calendar should be enable again (at least on my server it works) and now umark should allow you to access the bookmark from the server.
 For the contact there is not progress
 calendar if activated through online account, it's synchronize automatically
 Great. Thank you
 Confirmed, Nexcloud calendar working. Thanks. But, now how to delete the old calendars?
 Depends how did you created ?
 What does works online account activation or do you see your items twice in the calendar ?
 I previosuly added as a caldav link, and now just added nextcloud with my url and username etc. So I unchecked the old caldav calendar, but I can't actually remove that item from the options.
 So i can check the box for: … My Calendar (nextcloud) … My Calendar (old) … I can simply uncheck the old one, but I want to delete that option entirely.
 Did you create through a script in command line ?
 @exar_kun, Nice
 @Ern_st, Nope. I used the option in the Calendar APP.
 Did you use generic calendar app ?
 Yes
 So go in the setting / online account. untick the sync and then you can delete the account then
 Oh, right. Thank you for that. Perfect.
 glad try Umark mnt ;)
 For bookmarks, yes.
 Is there some kind of QML viewer for Ubuntu desktop that is NOT the Ubuntu SDK? I would like to be able to view qml apps in development (e.g. https://github.com/ubports/ubports-app) withouth having to put it on an Ubuntu Touch device just to see it.
 qmlscene
 Oh, haha. Thank you again.
[07:03] <tgBot> Kuan Hui Wu was added by: Kuan Hui Wu
 @Flohack, Not forever Florian but for a long time yes. For a guy like me, there is no chance nor will to move from Vivid to Xenial any time soon. That's why I'm very surprised and a bit disappointed to find out, according to your explanation about the memory leak in Vivid, that this is not a priority for the Ubports team. I checked the status of the services by means of top command in terminal and I can confirm that the phone works above about 90% of
[07:04] <tgBot> GB RAM since the first boot, without any app working yet...
 Hello Kuan Hui and welcome! I'm part of the UBports welcoming team. … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 Also, you might be repelled by the amount of messages going through our groups at times, but still interested to stay up to date about our project. In this case, lucky you, there's a brand new News Channel! @ubports_news
 I think identifying the leak, fixing it and trying to stay below a maximum RAM usage shall be a priority for this community and beneficial to Xenial also. I would like not to have to buy a new phone with 5 GB only to run basic stuff. I would need a better reason to make the jump. This is my thought on this issue, I don't know if anyone share it.....
 @UniversalSuperBox, iirc a newer rootfs (caf?) fixed most problems, all changes I had to do were pushed to the uports repositories..
[08:23] <tgBot> NicholasDchub was added by: NicholasDchub
 hi there)
 @NicholasDchub, Hello Nicholas and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 I found 64bit ut … http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
 Hm.
 @petya230, not for n5?(
 ? … Its not device specific img
 I thought to everyone here n5
 @NicholasDchub, the build servers of canonical built all platforms..
 there were times when the rootfs was even built for powerpc archtiectures..
 @anpok, but there it is written 64bit, we have 32 (n5)
 so it is twice as good
 ubports ci system also builds 64 images..
 I dont think that right now there is a benefit in switching to a 64bit system.. just more techincal problems to solve.. the switch will happen at some point.. but I doubt it will happen .for this generation of phones
 Guys can you help me? I can't receive telegram notifications
 Have you done the ubuntu one login?
 Yes
 well, then I think that there is not much you can do...
 @Rawcode, Can you try to abtain a log of the ubuntu-push helper
 sometimes it spits out some useful infos
 I can't paste link to pastebin
 I don't  know why
 My phone also just restarted without a reason
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/Ciygii1H/file_2550.jpg
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/gpznPJUS/file_2551.jpg
 @Rawcode, Did you enable them in Settings / Notifications  and also in Telegram for the different group you are member? Sending images
 @Flohack, There's nothing specific I can add. Introducing tooling that logs all processes memory usage over time will help indicate the right places to look. (Logging CPU usage too will help indicate where to optimize for power, which is another concern.) … Just remember the old adage: It is easier to optimize a working system than to make an "optimized" system work.
 Yes I did
 @alan_griffiths, That said, there are a range of beutiful tools for mem usage in Linux/Unices, but all of them lie in some way. Some include shared libs, some cannot distinguish threads from process memory etc. I did not find one that really shows what we need: growing heap allocations
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/0cWccJVc/file_2553.jpg
 @milkor73, This is an old problem, the Canonical notification server simply does not work for some users. We will hopefully get better with ours ;)
 @Rawcode I have no notifications since 6months...
 @Flohack, OK, thanks, nevertheless I send one more image, just to confirm
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/nnbFb4qu/file_2555.jpg
 This is from group info
 @LarreaMikel, Since I played with the server code my suspicion is: based on the hash of your device/user id, your notifications get placed on a nonexistent or faulty server. They for usre used multiple servers in a cluster. Also, please try to capture a log of ubuntu-push-helper right after startup
 Why my device sometimes restarts without any reason?
 @Rawcode, We dont know. Which device is it?
 Nexus 5
 This is strange. It should have enough RAM. Still though, sometimes OOM killer kicks out unity or even more critical parts of the OS. How much windows you keep open?
 or Apps ;)
 @Flohack, With ubuntu-push-helper you mean ubuntu-push-client? That's the one present in my logviewer app
 @LarreaMikel, yes sry this one
 My device do random restarts even in stabile channel(I'm in development channel right now)
 @Flohack, np, I have some errors with gethosts...
 there is nothing changed between stable and devel regarding this part
 @LarreaMikel, show me plz
 @Flohack, Sure, but IME, despite the "lies" it is usually possible to identifiy suspects for closer investigations.
 @Flohack, The only thing I notice that changed is the vibration of the space bar in the keyboard haahah
 @Flohack, Telegram and scopes usually
 I like scopes but lately I disable them more and more. They were the reason of my restarts, I have now only 6 active: Apps scope, gallery, news +rss, softpedia, xataka, omg. And it is OK now.
 @Rawcode Federico did you install the Logviewer app?
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/yPj9ypRG/file_2557.jpg
 Yes
 @Rawcode, I will talk to Lionelb and Will, as I remember your install was one of the harder one, let us see what can we do to make your experience better. Something went wrong. Do not loose your engagement. 🙂
 @milkor73, Thank you:)
[11:34] <tgBot> extraymond was added by: extraymond
 @extraymond, Hello Raymond and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @DanChapman http://paste.ubuntu.com/26111802/
 Hi Dan. I am having issues with Dekko 2
 no keyboard when I try to answer an email
 Well several emails
 App freezes
 Etc
 Fresh reboot of OPO with rc channel, only running AIDA64. Total memory 2893 MB, free memory 1358 MB. Is that normal?
 @malditobastardo those errors are nothing to worry about. I just don't ship those python libs in the click as they aren't currently being used. The keyboard is a platform bug which was recently fixed. Probably come in the next OTA. The app freezing is a known issue. No workarounds for that atm
 @TomasOqvist, I think that's normal but shouldn't be happening … on my bq E5, I have around 100+ free out of 1GB after a reboot … on Nexus 5, last I checked I get around 300+ free out of 2GB
 @Javacookies, Hmm, about the same free % RAM on most devices. I would have thought that Unity 8 was to only grab a certain number of MB:s of RAM, not a percentage.
 that's what I thought as well, perhaps Unity 8 gets more memory to make things smoother?
 Do you think we can trust Aida app on UT?
 I think it's safe to trust it :) ....I used top by the way not AIDA64
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/0YQdcBWJ/file_2559.jpg
 Yep, of FP2 same thing
 I'm not familiar with memory resources allotment or such topics but it doesn't seem correct
 perhaps a memory leak? … hopefully this will be improved in the future … in Sailfish OS I can open 10+ apps at the same time 😍
 but it's easier to switch between apps in Ubuntu so I'd take it more if it's capable of the same feat :)
 @Rawcode, Your power button is going bad perhaps.
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/qjRJ2eOR/file_2561.jpg
 im trying to porting halium to sumire
 🤘
 👍Sopernam member turkey group👍
 @Rawcode, Sometimes Telegram is just really slow to send notifications. There were many reports in the past that some people would not get notifications until hour or more later
 @NicholasDchub, There will never be 64-bit builds for N5, because it is a 32-bit device.
 @sopernam, Wut.. you are building on phone?
 @bhushanshah, yes
 It won't work
 You will need the desktop/laptop to build the halium, you can't build it on mobile
 @bhushanshah, thats only repo sync
 what an incredibly odd theme for android
 I think when Canonical pushed the new AppSwitcher (the one with icons and color background) replacing the old one unity8 was lighter. I remember that was the exact moment my e4.5 started to feel heavy, slow. Don't remember of random reboots in earlier OTA's from 2015/2016
 hey how to pull device tree and kernel manually
 @bhushanshah, its just ssh...
 @DanChapman, Thank you sir. I may just go back to dekko1 in the meantime until we receive the new updates :) . (I am in devel channel btw) Thank you again.
 @Rawcode, I had this problem (and fixed it) last week (Aquaris E4.5): … 1. Notifications did not work with the old Canonical image. … 2. After switching to UBports, notifications worked, but suddenly stopped working last week (apparently without any reason). My notification settings were correct, but Telegram's settings showed a disabled plug under notifications and I could not turn them on. I just uninstalled and reinstalled Telegram from the O
[17:07] <tgBot> and the plug was working again. Plus, I installed @Flohack's click package for Telegram and now I do have notifications. Good luck!
 @Cesar_Herrera, @malditobastardo
 @Cesar_Herrera, Thanks Cesar, yeah I tried every workaround available but well.. after restarting the phone it worked.. its just a random bug.
 I have some issues with my FP2 that are hardware related I think. Thats why I would like to try UT on my LG G4c (H525n). I found the device tree on Github: https://github.com/TeamWin/android_device_lge_c90
 What are my chances to do the porting without any experience?
 It is not in the list of official supported LineageOS devices, but the G4-h811  and G4-h815 are.
[18:39] <tgBot> Danny Chu was added by: Danny Chu
 @jonny, There is a good chance if you can understand the porting guide
 Is it the one from canonical or is there a UBPorts Guide?
 @Danny Chu, Hello Dany and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @Flohack, since my notifications are dead, I want to send you some logs but when I tap on `ubuntu-push-client` I have this and I can't neither go back: I have to pause the log and then I can... anyone knows what's happening?
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/GYvmiRkL/file_2581.jpg
 the log is very large and it's blocking on loading it perhaps?
 that's what I thought... where can I get it via adb?
 ~/.cache/upstart/ubuntu-push-client.log
 (Photo, 1280x630) https://irc.ubports.com/2nfsJJDh/file_2585.jpg
 Guys help
 Stucked %99
 Ctrl+C and start over?
 with —depth=1?
 what else can one do lol
 @sopernam
 @DanChapman, thanks, but it seems it's only this... … ```2017/12/04 20:13:07.543984 INFO connectivity check passed. … 2017/12/04 20:23:07.876231 INFO connectivity check passed. … 2017/12/04 20:33:09.694194 INFO connectivity check passed.```
 @vanyasem, Usage: repo sync [<project>...] … main.py: error: no such option: —depth
 answered in halium chat
 please don't forward it all over the place
 @Michele, Telegram logs may be more useful, but if problem is server side, local logs won't say anything
 @dohbee, Telegram logs are useless, all about notifications is happening in the push client
 You should see the telegram notifications in the push client log as well
 @Michele, try to catch it right after restart
 @DanChapman, Only if they work ^^
 @Flohack, Registration to tg server happens in the app
 Trust me that code is 1 line and works all the time ;) its not complicated, fragile code
 And does it log result from the server?
 Look the call to Telegram server is basically "Send push notifications to this device using this token." And the server says: Ok.
 what if the server says "not ok" ?
 @dohbee, Why he should, the token is not checked. Its copied to the cloud and then just appended to the url which calls push.ubuntu.com
 anyway, the push client log clearly shows it is connecting fine to the push server
 rl where does he say this
 well, the API call to telegram could fail for all kinds of reasons
 @dohbee, This log entry means only that this page is reachable: http://start.ubuntu.com/connectivity-check.html
 connectivity check ok means NOT conn to the push server
 @dohbee, I put my hands in fire that this is not the problem ^^
 @Michele, This tests only that you got internet
 Its not testing the push server. The logs of this client are actually not very helpful
 Thats why I said, we need logs from startup
 @Flohack, I just restarted...
 For some reason there is no upstart script to restart the push client
 I'll restart again now
 does anyone know which service starts ubuntu-push
 upstart ^^
 @DanChapman, Lol which script ^^
 ```$ cat ~/.cache/upstart/ubuntu-push-client.log â€¦ 2017/12/04 20:13:07.543984 INFO connectivity check passed. â€¦ 2017/12/04 20:23:07.876231 INFO connectivity check passed. â€¦ 2017/12/04 20:33:09.694194 INFO connectivity check passed. â€¦ 2017/12/04 20:43:15.751439 INFO connectivity check passed. â€¦ 2017/12/04 20:53:19.272063 INFO connectivity check passed. â€¦ 2017/12/04 20:55:39.046458 INFO using addr: https://push.ubuntu.com/delivery-hosts â€
[19:56] <tgBot> 20:55:41.885581 INFO connectivity check passed.``` … this could be better 😁
 thats too early ^^
 try again in 30secs
 script? you mean the upstart job right? /usr/share/upstart/sessions/ubuntu-push-client.conf or are we thinking of different things here ^^
 Why it cannot be restarted from cmdline
 `restart ubuntu-push-client` works for me
 @Flohack, mmmh... it's the same
 @DanChapman, may I try this ?
 ```phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ restart ubuntu-push-client … ubuntu-push-client start/running, process 16967```
 close tg, delete your u1 account, reboot, add u1 account in system settings, start tg again, disable notifications in main app settings, then re-enable notifications
 @dohbee, @Rawcode
 It works?
 @DanChapman, ```$ restart ubuntu-push-client … ubuntu-push-client start/running, process 7627 … phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ cat ~/.cache/upstart/ubuntu-push-client.log … 2017/12/04 20:13:07.543984 INFO connectivity check passed. … 2017/12/04 20:23:07.876231 INFO connectivity check passed. … 2017/12/04 20:33:09.694194 INFO connectivity check passed. … 2017/12/04 20:43:15.751439 INFO connectivity check passed. … 2017/12/04 20:53:19.272063 
[20:03] <tgBot> check passed. … 2017/12/04 20:55:39.046458 INFO using addr: https://push.ubuntu.com/delivery-hosts … 2017/12/04 20:55:41.885581 INFO connectivity check passed. … 2017/12/04 21:03:21.083328 INFO using addr: https://push.ubuntu.com/delivery-hosts```
 @Rawcode, probably, I've never tried...
 @Michele, It feels strange to talk to another Italian in English haahah
 ahahah do you prefer switch to the italian group?
 It's the same ahah
[20:31] <Vercas> The UBports installer for Windows doesn't detect my Nexus 5, it seems.
[20:32] <Vercas> It's asking me to reboot to bootloader. However, I am in the bootloader...
[20:33] <Vercas> Any ideas? :(
 @Vercas, I had the same problem. Something about drivers. The easy way is get a Ubuntu 16.04 PC and install through it
[20:35] <Vercas> tgBot: Would forwarding the USB device to a Ubuntu VM do the trick?
 it should
 @Vercas, If this shouldn't work Try something like a livecd
[20:47] <Vercas> @Rawcode, roger.
 @Vercas, Try this. In terminal write this "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-device-flash phablet-tools" then press enter
 Then use this
 https://github.com/MariusQuabeck/magic-device-tool
[20:59] <Vercas> Right now I'm updating packages in my VM, heh.
[20:59] <Vercas> Also, wow, that tool looks neat!
 @Rawcode, This is pretty straightforward
[21:00] <Vercas> Although the disclaimer saddens me a bit.
 @Vercas, It is
 @Vercas, What makes you worry?
[21:01] <Vercas> Worry?
[21:01] <Vercas> I'm not worried, just bummed out that I cannot dual-boot Ubuntu Touch w/ Android.
 @Vercas, I presume it's a device limitation, it's not a pc sadly :/. Anyway there are some project in the web for a dual boot system in android devices, but I don't know a lot of these
[21:06] <Vercas> I tried MultiROM, and it fails badly when it tries to boot Ubuntu Touch.
[21:06] <Vercas> I'm seeing the Google logo and the open lock... forever.
[21:06] <Vercas> Anyhow, I bought another phone just for Android. (I 100% need it)
 What phone are you using for ut?
[21:08] <Vercas> Nexus 5
 @Vercas, Same here :)
[21:08] <Vercas> I love this phone. Too bad I managed to destroy the Android installation on it, heh.
[21:08] <Vercas> The hardware is rock solid. I've replaced the battery twice, but that's about it.
[21:09] <Vercas> I bought it a month after it was launched.
 @Vercas, Lol
[21:09] <Vercas> I bought two, actually. The other is for my brother. He's still using it as well.
 The only thing I've replaced is the power button
[21:10] <Vercas> Brilliant investment. While my friends had to purchase at least two phones in the meantime, my bro and I are rocking our Nexus 5's.
[21:11] <Vercas> root@ubuntu:~# magic-device-tool
[21:11] <Vercas> cannot perform readlinkat() on the mount namespace file descriptor of the init process: Permission denied
[21:11] <Vercas> Now this is strange.
[21:12] <Vercas> Gonna try a restart. that usually fixes things.
 Have you installed those packages?
[21:12] <Vercas> The two you dependency packages you mentioned? Yes.
[21:12] <Vercas> Had them installed long ago, actually. Just updated them.
[21:13] <Vercas> I've used this Ubuntu VM with my Nexus 7.
 @Vercas, Perfect
[21:13] <Vercas> Hold on, gonna upgrade my 14.04 VM to 16.04, heh.
[21:13] <Vercas> What's perfect? Lol.
 i wish i could still use my n5
[21:14] <Vercas> FWIW my Nexus 7 is so fucked, when you look up the word "fucked" in a dictionary, the example is my Nexus 7.
 i totally regret getting a pixel
[21:14] <Vercas> @dohbee How come?
 @Vercas, If you used this virtual machine with success, there is a chance that it can works with ut installation
[21:17] <Vercas> I wouldn't call my experience with my Nexus 7 a success.
[21:17] <Vercas> I installed Bohdi Linux on it...
[21:17] <Vercas> I just restarted it.
[21:17] <Vercas> Wish me luck.
 @Vercas, the person that replaced my power button fried part of the mainboard, so bt/wifi don't work any more
 and the pixel is the worst phone i've ever owned
[21:19] <Vercas> Aw. This is why I don't trust anyone to repair my equipment. Last time I sent a laptop for repairs because the DC in socket wasn't gripping onto the plug... I got it back with "a new socket", got charged 50 quid...
[21:19] <Vercas> And when I looked at it, it was the same damn socket (identical wear pattern), they just pulled out some pieces inside it to make it grip stronger.
[21:19] <Vercas> Two months later, it caught fire.
 well, if i could have gotten the stupid button to line up properly on the board, i would have done it myself
[21:20] <Vercas> The cable actually caught fire.
[21:20] <Vercas> The contact in the socket was so poor, the ressistence increased to absurd levels and the plug basically cooked itself.
[21:22] <Vercas> Okay, no more errors from the tool... Gonna try to make a back up of my phone first.
[21:26] <Vercas> "Optimizing apps"... Android being Android. -_-
[21:37] <Vercas> This tool isn't seeing my phone either.
 Do we have an ofono specialist in our community? does anyone maintain that actively in UbPorts?
[21:42] <Vercas> So, it's seeing it now. Just had to accept the key for USB debugging. I'm flashing Ubuntu Touch now...
 some of us have had discussions that we really ought to be supporting cell-broadcasting (sms-bc) which is part of the gsm standard.
 right now we dont
 oh hello @dohbee ! great to see you here
 been around long?
[21:50] <Vercas> So, uh, my phone is in the Ubports Recovery right now. The magic tool isn't doing anything at all anymore.
[21:50] <Vercas> Not sure what to do.
[21:52] <Vercas> I tried going back to the bootloader, the tool crashed, now Android is booting on my phone..?
 hi @matv1 . been on here a few days
 cool! working on any ubports code as well ?
 nope
 or whatever name you like to give it?
 just lurking and expounding knowledge/wisdom when it seems appropriate
 ah great! needless to say youre contributing here would be invaluable
 @dohbee, Sometimes expounding also criticism ^^
 haha we are also all used to that from the Canonical days
 @matv1, Why everybody tells me this 😆
 pondering trying to raise some money with patreon or such to continue with the accidental fork of u8 i started and some additional ideas i have to make it more awesome
 the annoying thing is that he tends to be right most times
 @Flohack, one man's wisdom is another's criticism :)
[22:03] <Vercas> My Ubuntu VM no longer responds to mouse movement...
 @Flohack no that I have your attention: about my Ofono question
 do you who knows anything about that?
 @matv1 is nobody working on that in upstream ofono?
 They might but I am not even sure if it is ofono that needs work. maybe ofono is ready for cell broadcasting and it only needs an interface
 oh, looks like it might support it already
 @matv1, No sorry. So far none here except a few bits in Halium group maybe and @mariogrip are playing with Ofono
 I have
 i guess maybe a patch to telephony-service or something could add necessary notifications
 ok, I will ping him when I see him around
 he is here ^^
 hey @mariogrip do you know about cell broadcasting?
 looks like it would be reasonably easy to implement something in dialer-app and telephony-service for it
 @matv1, No not really something i have been looking into, but not sure how this can be tested tough. but should not be too hard to hook up if rild has support for it
 ofono already has a dbus API for it
 ok well to give you some context: in the Netherlands almost all mobile phones are connected to the government emergency broadcasting service called NL alert
 so if a dynamite factory in your region is on fire you would typically receive such a message
 just need appropriate screeching death howl to play with popups when necessary, and then some glue code, from what i can see
 @dohbee, oh then it *should* be simple to hook up
 please add a bug report on it *if not alredy there* so we can track it and get it implemented
 i checked. there is no bug report yet.
 there used to be one in launchpad though
 (not from me btw :)
 i can't believe the people working on telephony side at canonical didn't implement this. :-/
 people? i got the impression the only person who was truly dedicating his time to telephony was Tony Espy
 bit thinly spread
 Vercas, you're installing from a VM?
 @mariogrip against what should i file the bug? I cant file against ubports/ofono for some reason
 i don't think he was doing anything on the UI side though. only the low level bits
 @matv1, the Ubuntu touch repo
 @matv1, https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues
 @mariogrip right. will do that. Thanks
 @dohbee, want to give a hint on which awsumness you are thinking of :) ?
 finally im sync repo
 😂🤘
 @matv1, decentralized push notifications, for one
 @dohbee, GitHub.com/mariogrip/notifyer-specs
 I was just gonna say :) you could do that here
 No fork needes
 i wasn't planning to fork anything for push notifications
 decentralized like in the way that Matrix is  you mean?
 @matv1, jep, it explains it a little here https://github.com/mariogrip/notifyer-specs/blob/master/specs.md (still unfinish though)
 i don't know enough details about matrix, so i guess i would say "sort of"
 I kinda think that the Matrix protocol itself could make a good notification service. But I don't know enough about messaging
 @UniversalSuperBox, Do you mean in the way that they uses bridges to exend to other platforms?
 No, in the way that it's just a protocol for syncing JSON from server to server
 ah
 i think sending plain json around is not a great idea though
 Matrix provides plenty of encryption options
[22:42] <Vercas> @UniversalSuperBox Yes, and it worked. It's installed. :D
 Great!
[22:44] <Vercas> The UI ain't easy to navigate without a universal back button. o.o
[22:53] <Vercas> I cannot activate my Ubuntu One account. -_-
[22:53] <Vercas> Webshite says to me, "Bad bot! Go away!"
 you probably have an extension that's doing something naughty
[23:15] <Vercas> So... Any recommended e-mail clients?
 Dekko in the OpenStore is stable but has its quirks. Dekko 2 in the openstore is not yet finished