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chaospsychexhow do i get my printer working on ubuntu 17.10?00:13
Svetainstall cups00:14
Svetait has a web based interface for adding a printer00:14
cuddlesquidhello everyone, hope you are having a good day00:14
bazhanglinuxprinting.org chaospsychex check their database00:14
chaospsychexSveta, 'sudo apt-get install cups'?00:14
Svetayes00:15
cuddlesquidchaospsychex, first sudo apt-get update00:15
chaospsychexhow dget to the web based interface once installed?00:15
chaospsychexok it's installed00:16
Svetayes00:16
chaospsychexhow to access the web based interface?00:16
ninive32http://localhost:63100:16
cuddlesquidchaospsychex, point browser to this http://localhost:631/admin00:16
ninive32put it in the browser00:16
cuddlesquidchaospsychex, also please https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/cups.html for small referance :)))00:16
cuddlesquidchaospsychex, might be few other things for you to pick out of that link that you might need00:17
Svetathat page is rather straightforward00:17
Svetait asks to pick your printer name and model from a list00:17
chaospsychexit says printer not found when i try to add it?00:17
chaospsychexcups-brf?00:17
chaospsychexwhere is that list?00:17
bazhangchaospsychex, mind sharing with us the make and model of the printer00:19
Svetachaospsychex: http://www.libregeek.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/9.png00:19
Svetachaospsychex: and what bazhang said00:19
chaospsychexmy printer is connected via usb. it's a lexmark x204n00:19
crux_anyone know if ubuntu can import freebsd zfs pools?00:19
chaospsychexdoes my printer have to be connected via ethernet ?00:21
bazhanghttp://www.openprinting.org/printer/Lexmark/Lexmark-X204n chaospsychex00:22
chaospsychexbazhang, so i need to install that ppd file?00:26
swift110hey all00:26
bazhangchaospsychex, there's a link to the lexmark page. did you see it00:27
chaospsychexi installed that ppd driver using software install. no cups will see the printer when i try to add it using the cups web interface?00:27
chaospsychexbazhang, i went to that page and installed the ppd file00:28
chaospsychexbazhang, it's not showing up on cups when i click add printer...00:28
chaospsychexam i missing a step?00:29
chaospsychexhello?00:30
chaospsychexon add printer what do i choose?00:31
chaospsychexmy printer is not listed under 'local printers'...00:31
cuddlesquidchaospsychex, try unpluging usb and pluging back in00:33
chaospsychexcuddlesquid,  the usb or power cable?00:33
cuddlesquidchaospsychex, try both00:33
chaospsychexnothing00:35
cuddlesquidchaospsychex, unplug usb printer from computer, type tail -f /var/log/syslog , then plug usb printer back in, console should of reported new addition00:37
cuddlesquidchaospsychex, also after log run 'lsusb' can you find device on the list ?00:38
bazhangcuddlesquid, it's in a vm00:40
cuddlesquidoh :d00:40
cuddlesquidthat adds a whole new level :d00:40
chaospsychexcuddlesquid, why?00:40
chaospsychexi have usb enabled in the vm machine setting00:41
cuddlesquidchaospsychex, might require some aditional stuff within the vm, all depends, ...00:41
chaospsychexdo i need a device filter00:41
cuddlesquidaha it perhaps is not just by enabling usb within vm, perhaps Vm has special utility file that must be installed ?00:41
cuddlesquidi probably couldnt continue to help you there though :/ im sorry chaospsychex,00:42
cuddlesquida VM always added an extra layer of work anytime i wanted to do something out of ordinary, like connecting a printer or such...00:44
_DejavuI've recovered a few deleted *.mov files (originally MP4) using photorec, but unable to play em - "Could not decode stream". Any ideas how to get it straight?00:47
cuddlesquid_Dejavu, are you using VLC to play them?00:49
ComnenusI'm trying to open a spice console using virt-manager.  It says SpiceClientGtk missing, but it isn't.  Not sure what I'm missing.00:50
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chaospsychexi changed the connection on the printer to ethernet. it's connected directly to my computer. Do i choose internet printing protoco00:51
_Dejavucuddlesquid: VLC opens files OK, but no sound or video... files are between 200 MB and 1.4 GB00:51
cuddlesquid_Dejavu strange, I dont have too much experiance with video, just making sure you ran them with vlc, it is still possible they may be corrupt :/00:53
cuddlesquid_Dejavu perhaps maybe maybe, try mplayer?00:54
_Dejavucuddlesquid: I shall00:55
cuddlesquid_Dejavu also a little digging, if you are able to alter some VLC settings,.. Video > Output > X11 video output (XCB) > enable decorations, enable video00:56
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cuddlesquid_Dejavu, could try sudo apt-get install gstreamer1.0-libav and also check sudo apt-get install libthumbnailer000:58
_Dejavucuddlesquid: got newest versions of both00:59
cuddlesquidok gotcha01:00
cuddlesquid_Dejavu, they were originaly MP4, now they are MOV ?01:01
_Dejavucuddlesquid: yep01:02
cuddlesquid_Dejavu, hmm without properly converting them from MP4 to MOV they would not play01:02
cuddlesquid_Dejavu, I would assume this should play a big role into not being able to decode, maybe could try converting them curently from mov to mp401:02
cuddlesquidjust a thought :d01:03
_Dejavu:) sure lets see01:03
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cuddlesquidComnenus, can you check if this is installed gir1.2-spice-client-gtk-3.001:07
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Comnenuscuddlesquid: that's the problem, thanks!01:08
cuddlesquidComnenus, welcome01:08
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_Dejavucuddlesquid: no luck either renaming or converting mov to mp4 using ffmpeg01:10
cuddlesquid_Dejavu, awe01:11
cuddlesquid_Dejavu any luck playing with mplayer01:11
cuddlesquid_Dejavu, is that the only error output, could not decode stream is there more before or after01:13
cuddlesquidthere has to be a way to salvage those :d01:14
_Dejavucuddlesquid: this is the only error, working on mplayer01:16
cuddlesquid_Dejavu, hmm after some digging, VLC might be able to repair corrupted .mov or mp401:18
_Dejavucuddlesquid: no luck with mplayer - same as VLC recognizes the length but no sound or video01:20
cuddlesquid_Dejavu, perhaps this https://askubuntu.com/questions/915162/repairing-a-corrupt-mov01:21
cuddlesquid_Dejavu several spots indicated those instructions in attempting to repair .mov or mp401:21
_Dejavucuddlesquid: happy to try, thank you01:21
cuddlesquidto .avi instead of mp401:22
cuddlesquidso then it will be a whole new video extension on convert01:22
_Dejavucuddlesquid: nope on both options01:29
_Dejavucuddlesquid: well... thanks for trying dude, im giving up I guess01:38
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AssociateXHow can I disable my screen saver.02:20
Toadisattvawhich version/desktop are you using?02:26
AssociateXUm, how do I tell? It's Ubuntu 17.10.02:28
AssociateXI have not had to use CLI in a very long time, or tinker with anything, so I'm rusty.02:28
Ben64probably go to power or screen settings02:29
AssociateXBen64, did that, and I did set "Blank screen" to off.02:30
AssociateXIt still goes black and requires a password to get back the DE.02:30
AssociateXto* the02:30
Ben64then you must not have done the right thing02:30
qihDon't you usually need to set the Screensaver to <none>, then disable the power management feature also?02:33
qihI am using an Ubuntu, just not native Ubuntu, so can only go from memory02:33
AssociateXqih, I just "gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.session idle-delay 0 && gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.screensaver lock-enabled false"02:35
AssociateXI will see how that works.02:36
AssociateXI'm going to bed now. Thank you for the help people.02:36
AssociateXWhat is the bar to the left called, it has a few icons on it like a menu bar.02:38
AssociateXI see that it is called "Ubuntu Dock"02:39
AssociateXHow do you add icons to the Ubuntu Dock?02:40
AssociateXs/icons/apps02:40
qihAssociateX: Sounds like you have Ubuntu default, and that is using Unity. That bar is the Launcher.02:42
qihAssociateX: Looks like this=> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Ubuntu_16.04_Desktop.png/300px-Ubuntu_16.04_Desktop.png02:43
junktextAssociateX, basically to add a new icon to the launcher/dock, you'll open up which program you want to add, then right-click on the icon and select "Lock to Launcher".02:44
AssociateXthank you02:46
AssociateXI'm using 17.10 btw02:46
junktextAh, okay, AssociateX. My instructions were for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. I'm not sure if the process is the same in 17.10, since Ubuntu switched the GUI from Unity to GNOME Shell.02:50
junktextCan anyone else assist AssociateX?02:52
AssociateXjunktext, thank you, but I'm out of gas, I'm going to bed now.02:53
junktextOkay, goodnight!02:53
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freakyyhi all. whats this software called again, opensource communication software which u can use to chat, voice chat and video chat?05:20
lotuspsychjefreakyy: ring.cx or telegram?05:21
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ShekharReddywhat to do to make ubuntu ask for sudo password for every software package installation06:04
ShekharReddyeverytime.. means that should not cache the password06:05
Tin_manShekharReddy, this link might help >> https://lifehacker.com/make-sudo-sessions-last-longer-in-linux-122154577406:10
winsoffcan't click, can only type06:32
winsoffwhat's up with that06:32
ducasse!details | winsoff06:40
ubottuwinsoff: Please elaborate; your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information; for example, we might need errors, steps, relevant configuration files, Ubuntu version, and hardware information. Use a !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel.06:40
winsoffYeah, I narrowed it down.06:41
winsoffLibreoffice crashing on some certain .docx took away clicks from the mouse. Pointer would still move.06:41
winsoffHad to kill libreoffice to regain clickability.06:41
alkisgGood morning lotuspsychje, ducasse, all :)06:42
ducassehiya, alkisg :)06:43
eagle_Hi Guys, from last few days I am getting NO_PUBKEY warnings and all, cause of which I am not able to build docker images or try new stuffs on new installations.07:27
eagle_Error Like: W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com trusty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the publi│(12:55) [ dabloom         ] [ jadesoturi      ] [ MonsterKiller  ] [ Shiba           ] [ zh             ]07:27
eagle_c key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 16126D3A3E5C119207:27
eagle_How do i get this resolved ?07:28
ducasseeagle_: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 16126D3A3E5C119207:30
A_Pickle'allo all07:35
eagle_ducasse: After using the shared cmd, i get this error: W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com trusty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 16126D3A3E5C119207:35
eagle_Its the same error.07:35
A_Pickle...that is literally the exact same problem I just came in here to discuss.07:35
A_PickleI downloaded the SHA256SUMS file, and attempted to verify it with the SHA256SUMS.GPG signature signed with the two Ubuntu release signing keys.  It says it's a bad signature, and I'm using Kleopatra as part of the Gpg4win suite on Windows 10 64-bit.07:36
alkisgeagle_: what's the output of `apt-key list` ? Put it to pastebin07:41
eagle_Here is the link: https://pastebin.com/sZbmebwe08:01
alkisgeagle_: "W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/Release   Unable to find expected entry 'universe/source/Sources' in Release  file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)" ==> that's not related to key signing, it's a bad sources.list, pastebin your sources.list08:03
alkisgI tried the archive.ubuntu.com mirror in trusty 10 minutes ago, it worked fine08:04
eagle_alkisg: Will it be possible to run this projetc in the docker env?? GIT: https://github.com/instructure/canvas-lms08:08
alkisgI don't know that project and I'm not using docker, so I don't know, ask everyone in the channel instead08:09
TsakNorrisi have problem with 17.10 artful. WIFI works, but not if i want to connect public network and give credentials through browser.08:10
geirhaeagle_: a quick google shows they've made docker images for it, so the answer is likely yes08:11
geirhayou can even see the Dockerfile in the github repo you linked to08:12
eagle_geirha: yes, it has a google image and fails to download, if build via Dockerfile or docker-compose, I get the NOPUBKEY error08:12
geirhaok, so it's one of their images that's broken08:15
geirhaI suggest you report that as an issue against that github project, then08:17
tatertotsTsakNorris: have you tried debugging?08:22
naquadhi08:44
eagle_q08:44
naquadafter recent update cron lost MAILFROM support :( any chance i can do something to get it working again?08:45
naquad(/etc/mailname is not an option)08:45
CobHeaduse apt-get to downgrade to an earlier version of cron?08:50
CobHeadConsidering you know the version number of the previous version you were using, that is.08:51
naquadnope, i don't know :(08:51
alkisgI don't see any updates in cron. :) https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=cron08:52
alkisg`apt changelog cron` will tell you if there were updates there, or not, and you should be looking elsewhere08:54
naquadalkisg, thanks! going to check other stuff08:56
alkisgnp08:56
Aliekezhihi, currently, is it recommended to use apt or apt-get ? is there much difference ?08:56
alkisgAliekezhi: not much difference, you can use whatever you like, but in the future only apt will be used08:56
Aliekezhialkisg, thx08:57
alkisgnp08:57
PCatineanHey guys, i'm tring to get my 0bda:a811 Realtek Semiconductor Corp usb wireless adapter working on my Ubuntu 16.04 lts using this guide: https://unixblogger.com/2016/08/11/how-to-get-your-realtek-rtl8111rtl8168-working-updated-guide/09:12
PCatineanI tried the "automated" way but nothing seems to be hapening, can anyone suggest debugging this or?09:12
alkisgPCatinean: what's the output of `apt policy r8168-dkms` ?09:15
alkisgPCatinean: btw, are you sure this is the proper driver for your card?  This seems like it only targets pci cards...09:16
PCatineanalkisg, it may very well not be in this case as it's not pci :-s09:16
PCatineanthanks for helping btw, one sec for the output09:16
PCatineanhttps://hastebin.com/upuqugivoh.rb09:17
alkisgPCatinean: so, you already installed that package (meaning that you disabled support for other realtek pci cards, so just remove it!)09:17
alkisgPCatinean: first google hit for your pci id is: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=230641709:17
alkisgPCatinean: see this one first: https://askubuntu.com/questions/923222/how-can-i-enable-a-realtek-usb-antenna09:19
PCatineanok let me remove that first, one sec09:19
PCatineanHow do I even find out when purchasing a network adapter what chipset it is to avoid this kind of thing forever in the future? :))09:20
PCatineanalkisg, that driver is what worked on another device when I tried to enable it with monitor mode and packet injection, but here I just need stable connection so hmm09:22
PCatineanWhy do I also need to blacklist anything since I don't have a wireless card?09:22
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alkisgPCatinean: just this command: sudo apt-get install rtl8812au-dkms09:23
PCatineanhmm there's nothing outputed there so I'll reboot, brb09:23
alkisgIgnore everything else09:23
PCatineanalkisg, still not working :((09:25
alkisgPCatinean: you installed rtl8812au-dkms without errors and rebooted ?09:25
PCatineanalkisg, yes :(09:27
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PCatineanany other ideas?09:30
PCatineanalkisg?09:31
alkisgNah, I haven't used that card09:32
PCatineanmodinfo 8812au | grep A811 does not bring up anything09:34
ducassei have used that chipset, actually, got one right here.09:35
ducasseit's horrible :(09:35
ducassePCatinean: i found one driver on github that tended to work better than the others, give me a minute and i'll see if i still have the url...09:37
PCatineanducasse, thanks man!09:37
PCatineanThe one from aricrack-ng works, I'll use it as a last resort but I don't think it's specialized in stability :)09:38
ducassePCatinean: try this one -  https://github.com/Grawp/rtl8812au_rtl8821au.git09:39
PCatineanhmmm that's a year old I see09:40
ducasseit's been a while, i gave up on that adapter, but that driver worked better than the others09:40
ducassemight be worth a shot09:40
PCatineanducasse, thanks, I appreciate it. I assume with every upgrade I havre to rebuild?09:42
sIbOkDoes anyone know why file /etc/default/locale generated by update-locale does not set LANGUAGE and LC_ALL environment variables?10:05
mike_papaHello. "snap-confine has elevated permissions and is not confined but should be. Refusing to continue to avoid permission escalation attacks" - since this morning. I've found some information about problems like this with older kernels. My current kernel is 4.13.0-041300-generic. Help!10:08
PCatineanWhy would this work: https://github.com/aircrack-ng/rtl8812au on an laptop with ubuntu 16.04 installed with all updates10:14
PCatineanAnd not on a PC with the same ubuntu installed with updates10:14
PCatineanSince it's a usb device10:14
PCatinean?10:14
PCatineanMakes no sense...10:14
pandaadbhello - on my dell xps15 I am using a usb-c adapter to hook up a second screen. This works beautifully however whenever my computer goes to sleep and I wake it after a while, my windows are rarranged (only the USB-C one, not the HDMI one). I was wondering if there is a setting I am missing10:14
pandaadbI set it to never shut down the screens thinking it was that, but it did not help10:15
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PCatineancan anyone help?10:26
rsvI am using Ubuntu 14.04 LTS.  I am unable to install any package using apt-get install. i always get the message: E: Unable to locate package10:41
rsvHowever, Whatever package i try to install i always get unable to locate the package.10:42
rsvI have already given the command apt-get update10:42
EriC^^rsv: which package are trying?10:42
rsvQuite a few, lets start with u-boot-tools10:44
EriC^^!info u-boot-tools trusty10:44
ubottuu-boot-tools (source: u-boot): companion tools for Das U-Boot bootloader. In component main, is optional. Version 2013.10-3 (trusty), package size 58 kB, installed size 192 kB10:44
EriC^^rsv: type "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999"10:44
rsvEriC^^: i get http://termbin.com/dwcf10:45
EriC^^rsv: try "apt-cache policy u-boot-tools | nc termbin.com 9999"10:46
alkisgalso: sudo apt-get update | nc termbin.com 999910:47
alkisgErm actually this, to include any errors: sudo apt-get update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 999910:49
rsvwhen i run sudo apt-get update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 i get the print http://termbin.com/e0bc10:50
alkisgOK that seems fine, what about the apt-cache policy that EriC^^ asked for?10:51
rsvthe command did not print anything10:52
vltHello. On Ubuntu 16.04 LTS I have a SANE problem. When I use `scanimage --device="local_sane_uri"` the resulting file is perfectly fine but when I use `scanimage --device="net:localhost:local_sane_uri"` (or from somewhere else) I get corrupted file: "pnmfile: File has invalid format.  The raster should contain 8638784 bytes, but the file ends after only 8441664 bytes."  This happens *only* when scanning from10:52
vltADF.  Any idea how to troubleshoot this?10:52
alkisgrsv: try `apt-cache policy u-boot-tools` without termbin, and manually paste the result to paste.ubuntu.com10:53
rsvalkisg: i get the message N: Unable to locate package u-boot-tools10:53
EriC^^alkisg: i dont see the archive.ubuntu.com trusty main anywhere in the pastebin, just extras.ubuntu.com trusty main, any idea?10:55
EriC^^rsv: try "ls /var/lib/apt/lists | nc termbin.com 9999"10:56
rsvhttp://termbin.com/qxa010:57
EriC^^rsv: try   grep "Package: u-boot-tools" /var/lib/apt/lists/*10:58
rsvEriC^^: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/2611159211:02
EriC^^rsv: hmm it's in the list11:02
rsvEriC^^: its a freshly installed system11:03
EriC^^rsv: did you checksum the iso?11:03
rsvyes11:04
rsvEriC^^: i am connected to the network, is there any thing i need to do11:04
EriC^^no idea, if it's a fresh install something seems off, i wouldnt use the system or try to 'fix' it11:05
EriC^^maybe the usb was bad? bad hdd?11:05
rsvhow can i re-install ubuntu through network11:07
rsvEriC^^: i dont think anything is off. because it boots perfectly everytime11:07
EriC^^you cant reinstall it from the network11:08
EriC^^even if it boots perfectly it doesnt mean something else isn't wrong11:09
rsvEriC^^: while install using usb driver, it did not complain11:09
needzahelpPLZanyone on who can help me figure out how to make Xubuntu 16.04 LTS work with HDMI splitter? i have 2 computers connected one is running osx, which works no matter how many times i switch over, and the one running xubuntu says imediately no signal after i switch, also on the same computer if i run it with windows there is no such issue, so its definetely not hardware related, thx for any and all help in advance11:11
ibmr50eYo guys. I'm trying to test lxqt so I downloaded Lubuntu Next 18.04 x86 image and tried to run a Live CD, but everytime I'm asked for a login and a password and neither 'ubuntu' nor 'lubuntu' seem to work. Tested MD5 image and tried on two PCs.11:17
needzahelpPLZanyone on who can help me figure out how to make Xubuntu 16.04 LTS work with HDMI splitter? i have 2 computers connected one is running osx, which works no matter how many times i switch over, and the one running xubuntu says imediately no signal after i switch, also on the same computer if i run it with windows there is no such issue, so its definetely not hardware related, thx for any and all help in advance11:19
Younderwhy would it the screen output should be identical. Shouldn't it.11:20
needzahelpPLZall i know is, it says no signal11:20
needzahelpPLZas if no computer is connected to the display11:20
YounderWhen I wan's a psplit screen I use two ports. Or else a display port which is designed to use more than one monitor.11:20
needzahelpPLZno its one display and 2 computers, not 2 computers and 1 display11:21
ibmr50eneedzahelpPLZ, now im needing help here u go out11:22
needzahelpPLZsorry what do you mean?11:23
YounderneedzahelpPLZ, I actually have one of those. One connected to my TX1 and also to my server. But via separate ports. One via VGA the other vi HDMI.11:23
needzahelpPLZi have both computers conected via HDMI11:23
needzahelpPLZvia HDMI connected*11:24
YounderThis seems more like a hardware problem though than a OS problem.11:24
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needzahelpPLZhow can it be a hardware problem when the same issue doesnt occur with windows on same computer?11:24
YounderUbuntu has no control over how a monitor controls inputs over several inputs at once.11:25
needzahelpPLZi think one of us is missunderstanding the other person, im just not sure which way11:26
YounderneedzahelpPLZ, What? You have 2 computers or just 1. And does widows show up instead of ubuntu  or what.11:26
needzahelpPLZits 2 computers and 1 monitor,11:27
Younderyes, and outpu from:11:27
RikemYounder: So you're using some kind of KVM? Do you know the make and model of the splitter/KVM?11:27
needzahelpPLZone is a mac which always works, but the other is windows or xubuntu running, and with windows running when i switch to the mac, and back it works but not with xubuntu11:28
obtusetriangleKVM?11:28
YounderRikem, I am using unity.11:28
obtusetriangleKunt Vagina Mammaries?11:28
RikemYounder, wrong person sorry :)11:28
obtusetriangleit smells like semen11:28
needzahelpPLZim not sure if its called KVM but more like a HDMI switch splitter maybe even HDMI KVM11:29
needzahelpPLZhere is my initial post>>> anyone on who can help me figure out how to make Xubuntu 16.04 LTS work with HDMI splitter? i have 2 computers connected one is running osx, which works no matter how many times i switch over, and the one running xubuntu says imediately no signal after i switch, also on the same computer if i run it with windows there is no such issue, so its definetely not hardware related, thx for any and all help i11:29
obtusetrianglei like sex11:30
RikemneedzhelpPLZ: Do you know the model? It may not support EDID which is why you're getting no signal11:31
YounderneedzahelpPLZ, KDM is a separate window manageralso availabe with buntu. It should make no difference.11:31
SimonNLnothing wrong with that obtusetriangle but feeling the need to talk about it in here is.11:31
obtusetriangleSimonNL: your mom has a vagina?11:33
YounderWe do ubuntu support or try to.11:33
RikemThe ban hammer strikes.11:34
mbi...again :)11:34
Younderwith 1200 people there are bound to be some stray's11:35
mbisure11:36
looping_Hi. I have an aging Dell Latitude 32-bit laptop. I'd still like to use KDE Connect. Would it be better to install a Kubuntu and use a lightweight DE or to go the Lubuntu or Xubuntu route and install KDE Connect on top of it?11:50
needzahelpPLZso... no ideas?11:53
gbs-ufamnever used it11:54
gbs-ufambut i think that anything should work11:54
needzahelpPLZlooping_: i find that xubuntu or lubuntu works better in terms of performance on old computers11:56
hateballlooping_: you can use kde connect regardless of DE11:56
hateballat least I think that is the case (I only use plasma)11:57
alkisgrsv: what's the output of this command? apt-cache policy apturl12:06
alkisglooping_: how much RAM does the laptop have, and which graphics card?12:07
BluesKajHi all12:09
alkisgHey BluesKaj12:09
BluesKajHi alkisg12:10
elfrannehow/where can i find a list of all default/base packages on ubuntu server 16.04 ?12:10
alkisgneedzahelpPLZ: when the kernel boots, it checks to see if there's a display available, its resolutions etc. If for some reason the splitter reports wrong resolutions, it may fool linux (while windows might be more or less careful and avoid getting fooled). If that's the case, you can pass a specific EDID (resolutions list) so that linux ignores what the splitter reports.12:10
elfrannethere is no manifest file for servers12:10
alkisgneedzahelpPLZ: your /var/log/Xorg.0.log[.old] will have the edid information that the splitter sent12:11
Ben64elfranne: install 16.04, do "dpkg -l" ?12:11
alkisgelfranne: or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement12:12
alkisghttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu.artful/server12:14
elfrannealkisg, yes thats more like it12:15
elfrannethx12:15
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indistyloFOlks , Dabbling with golang first time, can you suggest  how to fix this >> Godeps file does not exist ; issue12:26
indistylonot sure if is it ubuntu specific or golang issue12:26
needzahelpPLZalkisg: https://pastebin.com/raw/bUvr68UU here is what i got, which is the EDID and is it posted wrong? how do i know?12:28
alkisgneedzahelpPLZ: [    46.645] (II) modeset(0): EDID (in hex): and then [    46.646] (II) modeset(0): Modeline "1920x1080"x60.0  148.50  1920 2008 2052 2200  1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync (67.5 kHz eP)12:31
mbiAnyone managed to fetch a preseed file from a public SVN repo? Scenario; using boot from USB with a modified txt.cfg file, point towards a public svn repo where the preseed file is located. If I use an apache server, there's no issues. The installer fetches the preseed file and continues with installation. If I'm using the http://svn-repo/address/preseed the installation failes, stating it can't fetch the file12:32
mbi. So; anyone had any luck with fetching from public SVN repo?12:32
alkisgneedzahelpPLZ:  So if your splitter reports that it supports this mode, yet the display doesn't, linux send 1920x1080 and the display displays a black screen12:32
alkisgneedzahelpPLZ: if you boot without the splitter first, having the display directly connected, and then you connect the splitter afterwards, does it work "properly"?12:32
PCatineanmanaged to get it working in the end, don't know how12:33
PCatineanprobably I made a small mess :))12:33
alkisgPut the output of `xrandr` to pastebin, without using the splitter temporarily12:33
needzahelpPLZalkisg: no idea havent tried that yet, will try it12:33
PCatineanAnyone know how to install pulseaudio equalizer properly in ubuntu 16.04?12:33
needzahelpPLZk will try and do that12:35
needzahelpPLZalkisg: tried your sugestions xrand output https://pastebin.com/raw/Sp7PLPiH, also without spliter and then switching results in same problem, it doesnt show the linux DT even once12:51
rsvalkisg: Sorry, i had to go and i saw your message. sudo apt-cache policy apturl shows https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/26112084/12:54
needzahelpPLZone more thing is if i press the power off button and the computer shots down the screen comes back on13:02
needzahelpPLZalso if i go just to the grub menu and dont start the system yet, i can switch to both computers, back and forth without a problem13:04
alkisgrsv: it's like all your apt list is destroyed, even packages that are installed locally are not avaliable for reinstallation13:09
rsvalkisg: why could that happen and whats the solution13:09
needzahelpPLZusually corrup file or drive13:11
needzahelpPLZusually corrupt* file or drive13:11
alkisgrsv: if you said it's a fresh installation, just try to reinstall and watch out for errors13:11
needzahelpPLZcould be also dmged install medium, the disk or usb stick that you use could be defective13:11
needzahelpPLZalkisg: did the info i posted above help in some way to come to a conclusion?13:12
alkisgneedzahelpPLZ: try to gain access to the system while it's connected to the splitter. I'm using "epoptes-client" to do that, or you could also use ssh13:13
alkisgSo that you are able to query the system (xrandr etc) while it's connected to the splitter13:13
needzahelpPLZssh it is i guess13:14
needzahelpPLZwill enable ssh on the machine13:14
alkisgepoptes.org is easier than ssh though13:14
alkisgssh won't give you directly access to xorg, you'll need a few extra command to gain it13:14
Ddordahey there. is there a place where I could find with which kernel every ubuntu was released? (at least for most of the versions?)13:16
hateballDdorda: packages.ubuntu.com13:19
needzahelpPLZhrmm i figured out if i just press ctrl+alt and F2 or any of the other virtual consoles switch to, and then switch between computers it works btw13:21
needzahelpPLZbut i have also enabled ssh so i can also login now13:24
needzahelpPLZwhats the next step that i can do/try alkisg13:24
BlankspaceHi13:28
Ddordahateball: thanks :)13:28
BlankspaceHow to ensure java_home is pointing to proper java installation13:29
BlankspaceIts showing error could not find java executable at13:30
akikBlankspace: you can set it in environment files in $HOME. what is the java app you're running?13:32
BlankspaceOpenrefine13:33
akikBlankspace: does it have a startup script?13:33
BlankspaceYes it says to type ./refine13:34
BlankspaceTo start it13:34
akikBlankspace: so, no :)13:35
BlankspaceBut when I type it it throws up that error13:35
akikBlankspace: you can add the JAVA_HOME setting in for example .bashrc13:35
BlankspaceHow13:36
freakyywhats this open source software called again, with which u can make video calls, voic calls and chat?13:37
BlankspaceGedit .bashrc?13:37
akikBlankspace: any editor, open .bashrc and add "export JAVA_HOME=" and the value of JAVA_HOME after =. then open a new bash shell and check "echo $JAVA_HOME"13:38
BlankspaceHi akik13:53
BlankspaceMy java path is correctly set up13:53
LightAmazeHello, I am sorry if it is a dumb question, but is there any way I could switch from GNOME to Budgie on 17.10? I'd reinstall, but is my work computer with vital programs / files. I am new with Ubuntu as a desktop.14:19
akikLightAmaze: you can change the desktop environment on the login screen14:20
LightAmazeSo I just install both DEs?14:20
LightAmazeand it lets me switch?14:20
akikLightAmaze: yes14:21
LightAmazeOk, thank you very much. I appreciate.14:33
fkkfni've upgraded ubuntu to 17.10 in a virtualbox, and now it hangs on boot14:45
fkkfnwhat's going on?14:46
kantlivelongis there any way to config/check mdraid spare groups in the command line?14:50
mittenshey guys.. when I type "my current location" on google it shows this morning an address in downtown seattle, a private residence with people living in it. I've been hacked before. Is this a sign of a hack?15:09
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auronandacemittens: do you happen to be logged in to your google account when you type that? do you use location services on an android smartphone?15:14
mittensauronandace : no none15:14
mittensauronandace: on my phone yes, I turn on location services15:15
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freakyyhi all. how can i, use my smartphone to stream video from my smartphone to my ubuntu laptop? maybe specific to netflix?15:36
leftyfbfreakyy: why not just watch netflix on your laptop?15:40
l0llip0pleftyfb: That is a really good question15:41
mekhamiwhy can't I ctrl+# in firefox on ubuntu15:46
jlucwhat is it supposed to do mekhami ?15:50
mekhaminavigate to that # tab15:50
mekhamictrl+1 goes to the first tab etc15:50
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auronandacemekhami: when did it stop working?15:52
linel#tab15:52
mekhamiauronandace ▸ not sure it's ever worked, i just installed firefox and tried it15:52
mekhamibut i know it works on windows, and it works in chrome for ubuntu15:52
jlucsame here15:53
auronandacemekhami: is this a default feature in firefox or provided by an addon?15:53
mekhamidefault feature15:53
auronandacemekhami: what ubuntu version?15:54
mekhami16.0415:54
auronandacemekhami: what firefox version?15:55
auronandacemekhami: the firefox help says its alt+# rather than ctrl+#15:57
jlucyes it works !15:59
mittenshi guys, I just realized something else: I have  Guest Session that I can't seem to make it disappear under settings. When I click on it, it's just a mirror image of my current session. I tried to take it off using sudo commands I found online, but it asked for a password that is not for admin15:59
RonaldsMazitishello, how do I know if my baloo has not crashed?16:00
RonaldsMazitisbalooctl status is saying same number of files indexed and the number doesn't change16:01
RonaldsMazitisIndexed 24525 / 133972 files16:01
auronandacemittens: if you are totally convinced you are compromised then backup what you need and do a clean install. also please try to use some common sense insteadof following random guides on some blog without knowing what the commands do16:01
codepython777My nginx stopped abruptly    Active: inactive (dead) since Mon 2017-12-04 03:00:02 EST; 8h ago - any ideas on how to debug this? error/access logs are of zero size16:02
mittensauronandace, I just reinstalled my ubuntu two days ago16:02
mittensthere's a guy in another chat who just sent me a threatening msg "Destroyer> .tell mittens Chucky the doll is coming for you" referring to a movie character that I've shared in irc chat that scares me16:03
auronandacemittens: my advice still stands16:04
mittensmy info has been doxed so hacking may continue, I'm just trying to figure out how to delete the guest session,  and u are not answering my question16:05
mittensanyone who can help me with deleting with the guest session pls?16:05
Lavinhogood afternoon16:06
LavinhoI've already been able to solve the problem.16:06
LavinhoI created the / EFI / Microsoft / Boot folder16:07
Lavinhoand rename refind_x64.efi to bootmgrfw.efi and put the paste16:08
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Lavinhoand reboot refind16:09
Lavinho;)16:09
Lavinhothank's16:09
linelHelpme16:11
rflemingHi.  Is there an apt command for apt-cache madison?16:12
linelMy one of my users in ubuntu not responding16:12
Lavinhosay16:12
rflemingis it apt show?16:12
rfleminglinel, by 'not responding' what do you mean?16:14
rfleminglinel, please be descriptive.16:14
RonaldsMazitisnobody knows if baloo file indexer is still indexing files, if balooctl status is not changing number of how many files it has indexed16:16
nate_dog27Can someone help me with a booting issue?16:18
rfleming!ask nate_dog2716:18
nate_dog27Light Display Manager16:18
ducasserfleming: no madison - yet. apt is still under development, though - add a wishlist bug16:19
nate_dog27failed to start, and also says it failed to start detect the avaialble GPUs and deal with any system changes.16:19
rflemingducasse, show kinda does the trick, just very verbose :)16:19
rflemingducasse, I'll let them work on it as I can still use madison.  I'm sure there are more important things needing doing right now with it.16:20
rflemingnate_dog27, you recently change the display drivers?16:21
ducasserfleming: like an omproved 'moo';)16:21
ducasse*improved16:21
rflemingthat too :D16:21
nate_dog27No, but I did make some display changes. I was trying to fix resolution on the login screen for my external monitor.16:22
nate_dog27O16:22
rflemingducasse, apt moo works just find16:22
rflemings/find/fine16:22
nate_dog27I'll post the two sites I used. The one that created the problem, and the one I used to try and fix the problem and failed.16:22
ducasserfleming: yes, but they could make it _even better_ ;)16:22
rflemingnate_dog27, do you have a file ~/.config/monitors.xml?16:23
rflemingducasse, I don't wanna know how :)16:23
nate_dog27I'll get a terminal up and check.16:23
rflemingnate_dog27, if you do, try renaming it and trying again.16:23
gluon_has anyone tested if this bug is still around after the latest bump in gnome's version?16:24
gluon_https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/173171816:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1731718 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "screencast freezes" [High,Confirmed]16:24
black_13how do i show files are currently being access by a linux process16:24
gluon_that's seemingly an upstream bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79000816:25
ubottuGnome bug 790008 in general "System freezes when recording screencast" [Normal,New]16:25
black_13what files i mean16:25
gluon_however, i only experience it on ubuntu 17.1016:25
gluon_fedora 27 with the same gnome version works just fine16:25
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rflemingblack_13, do you know the process ID?16:26
oeuvregreat news!16:26
rflemingif s <PID>16:26
oeuvrei'm not wearing any pants!16:26
rflemingerr... black_13 if so, pfile <PID>16:26
rflemingblack_13, if you don't know the PID `ps -aef | grep <process name>` then run `pfile <PID>` on that process...  Say I'm looking for the process httpd, I'd run `ps -aef | grep httpd` which returns 34122, to which I then run `pfile 34122`16:28
black_13rfleming: thanks16:34
rflemingblack_13, np16:37
rfleminghappy trails16:38
mar77iI wonder how the 16.04 sshd_config was shipped without a trailing newline. I just locked myself out of the cloud by running a script that did echo "..." >>/etc/ssh/sshd_config16:38
rflemingmar77i, technically that command would put your line after the newline16:40
rflemingand I don't believe sshd_config needs to end in a newline...16:42
nate_dog27can't find monitors.xml mind you I'm new to linux. I forgot how to open a tty at start up.16:43
rflemingare you logged in?16:43
nate_dog27I booted using to the live cd ad did a search.16:43
nate_dog27Ya through the live cd.16:43
rflemingOoh, Umm... that makes it more complicated.16:44
rflemingnate_dog27, quick question.  Is this a new install of Ubuntu, or do you have lots of stuff on it alread?16:44
rflemings/alread/already16:44
nate_dog27new install16:44
nate_dog27fairly new. bar that one change I made16:45
rflemingnate_dog27, it may be quicker to just re-install at this point16:45
rflemingnate_dog27, I mean, if the installation was new and you had nothing of importance on your drive...16:46
nate_dog27I customized it just the way I like, took me days to get it right. I mean that being said it's still a new install.16:46
nate_dog27Really hoping to salvage this.16:46
Jordan_Urfleming: mar77i's point is that there was no newline for it to go after, so presumably what they intended to be added as a line on its own was instead appended to the end of the last line of the file, resulting in one long line instead of two shorter ones.16:47
rflemingnate_dog27, OK.  When you boot into your system without the livecd what happens?16:47
nate_dog27Just see the boot logo never ending, I got the menu where it shows what failing.16:48
Jordan_Umar77i: Are you sure that it's shipped without a newline in stock Ubuntu? That seems like a bug more likely caused by modifications made by your cloud provider. (Also, my 17.10 system does have a newline at the end of /etc/ssh/ssh_config ).16:48
rflemingJordan_U: Ahh, yeah.  Didn't think about what would happen if appending to file with no new line at the end.16:49
rflemingnate_dog27, If you could press CTRL-ALT-F3 and see if that brings up a command prompt16:50
rflemingnate_dog27, if you cannot, then you'll have to mount up your disk and look for the home folder that way.16:51
rflemingnate_dog27, it'll be some place like /media/ubuntu/{a key}/home/username/.config/16:52
rflemingI think ubuntu is the username on the livecd16:52
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nate_dog27Can I just use the recovery mode?16:54
nate_dog27Having problems with tty16:55
rflemingrecovery mode should work.16:55
rflemingnate_dog27, this is 16.04?16:55
nate_dog27Ya16:55
nate_dog27log in on the command line.16:55
rflemingok, what does `systemctl status lightdm.service` say?  Paste it to paste.ubuntu.com16:57
nate_dog27I did up top when I got the errors16:59
rflemingnate_dog27, you used pasted the log files to paste.ubuntu.com so that the errors you are receiving are as clear as day?  I only saw you mention "it failed to start." and "it failed to start detect the avaialble GPUs and deal with any system changes."17:02
black_13who do you find files that are older than a certain date?17:06
rflemingblack_13, you would use the `find` command17:11
rflemingblack_13, specifically the mtime switch.17:12
rflemingblack_13, are you looking for files that are say, older than 30 days, or files that are older than December 4, 2014?17:12
techtrix31i have chatservices which is a fork of atheme and when i try to run it im getting daemon is already running and this was after a hard reboot..how do i check to see what daemon its referring too cause i dont see with system monitor17:34
MrCHis problem was because the program writes a PID file after starting (which the cron script looks for) and would remove the PID file on exit, which of course it couldn't do because of the hard reboot..17:41
lotuspsychjeMrC: he left17:42
adrian_1908"His problem was" kind of indicates that, no? ;)17:46
fribfirefox is displaying pages incorrectly, missing text mostly. I tried reinstalling but no luck. what can I do? thanks17:54
lotuspsychjefrib: ubuntu version and firefox version please?17:57
Toadisattvaare you using 17.10? I've seen others mentioning similar issues17:57
Toadisattvacan verify 57.0.1 is working great on 16.04 lts17:58
dserodioI have a problem with my ubuntuforums.org user, how/where can I get help for that site?17:59
lotuspsychjedserodio: explain whats happening exactly please?18:00
gebbionehi folks, i have a cam attached as a webcam18:00
gebbionebut when i try to use its microphone it does not work on hangout or skype18:00
dserodiolotuspsychje: I'm trying to login using Ubuntu One. When I click "Yes, log me in", it redirects to ubuntuforums.org/login.php telling me "The The following errors occurred during your registration:  Invalid email address.". If I click on Complete Registration I am redirected to the same page with the same error.18:02
lotuspsychjeBashing-om: you might know this one? ^18:02
Bashing-omlotuspsychje: dserodio join #ubuntuforums // The ops there will attend .18:04
dserodioBashing-om: thanks, will do18:04
Bashing-omdserodio: :)18:05
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ducassefrib: make sure 'download fonts' is enabled in preferences18:09
fribducasse, i don't see this option18:11
frib"Allow pages to choose their own fonts"?18:12
ducassefrib: try that, i don't remember exactly what it says18:12
lotuspsychjefrib: you didnt mention your version yet18:13
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mar77irfleming: technically it *should*. But what actually happens is that my script creates an invalid ssh config which then got me bad more than once (unable to log in)18:13
mar77iJordan_U: could be, I haven't checked18:14
mrhallHello, how can i execute a root command within root password? is to create a sh to init.d18:14
ducassemrhall: please rephrase that, i don't understand18:17
mrhalli want create a script to execute a program each time linux init18:19
mrhallAnd i need do some like: sudo program rootPassword18:20
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mrhalland save this script to init.d18:21
mrhall*on18:21
lotuspsychje!cron | mrhall18:22
ubottumrhall: cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto18:22
mrhallthis is like quartz?18:22
Cheezkind of, but far more widely understood and implemented18:24
mrhallquartz is so deprecated18:25
mrhallI use this on a project and i have a lot of issues18:25
trdillon1I have maas problem and the channel is dead. Can anyone here help?18:27
ducassemrhall: you really need to pass the program the root pw like that? that seems sub-optimal..18:27
lotuspsychjetrdillon1: perhaps the #ubuntu-server channel might know more about that18:27
mrhallis a ddns process18:28
ducassetrdillon1: you really should wait for help there. maybe try #ubuntu-server18:28
mrhallIt remember my ip each 30 minuts18:28
ducassemrhall: and it needs your root pw?18:28
trdillon1lotuspsychje: thanks18:29
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friblotuspsychje, ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS, Firefox 57.0.118:36
jandruskIs it me or are PPA updates via launchpad.net painfully slow no matter how faster your connection is?18:50
jandrusks/faster/fast18:50
alt0idhi18:55
alt0idlets say i have a debian box running right now, and i have an unaccessable hard drive hooked up on my computer, i know the password. How do i access it from here?18:55
alt0idhere = debian machine18:55
akikalt0id: not quite sure what you're asking, but did you try opening the file manager and checking if it's visible there?18:59
akikalt0id: if you don't have a file manager, use "fdisk -l" to see your storage devices19:00
alt0idakik: when i installed ubuntu on that disk i used the encrypt harddrive option19:01
alt0idand when i try accessing the home/user folder19:01
alt0idi get a mess19:01
akikalt0id: ah encrypted. sorry i don't know about it19:01
alt0id"Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop"19:01
alt0idand a readme19:01
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EriC^^alt0id: can you pastebin the output of "sudo parted -l" ?19:07
EriC^^alt0id: nevermind, just try sudo ecryptfs-recover-private19:08
fribfirefox is displaying pages incorrectly, missing text mostly. I tried reinstalling but no luck. what can I do? thanks19:20
fribubuntu 16.04.3 LTS, Firefox 57.0.119:20
alt0idEriC^^: i can access it now, but how do i make it "ceartext"?19:21
alt0idhow can i access it without needing to encrypt it every time19:21
EriC^^alt0id: remove the files out of the private dir19:22
alt0ido ok lol19:22
[twisti]i put my main user in the sudo group, as i understand, that will let me do "sudo su" if i must. any reason not to set a huge generated string as the password for root and forget it right after ?19:23
ducasse[twisti]: don't do 'sudo su', use 'sudo -i' of you need a root shell19:26
ducasse*if19:26
[twisti]whats the difference ?19:26
Bashing-omtwisted`: opening up 'root' is generally discouraged in ubuntu . See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sudoers .19:27
[twisti]Bashing-om: 'opening up' ?19:28
geniisu requires a root password to be set, making the root account able to be compromised by brute-force attacks19:28
alt0idEriC^^: so there is no way of unencrypting that whole hard drive?19:28
snowkidinddoes this look like a normal access.log to you? https://pastebin.com/nnyvKi3Z19:28
alt0idi can access it, i cant manipulate that in any way for some reason19:28
geniisudo -i is superuser-do in interactive mode19:29
EriC^^alt0id: you'd have to copy to to another drive and then recreate the partition etc normally then copy the data back19:29
alt0idEriC^^: i only have 2 drives, ones that 500gb encrypted one with huge files and the other one is 80gb almost full lol19:30
Bashing-om[twisti]: By default, the Root account password is locked in Ubuntu.19:30
[twisti]im not even sure mine has a password19:30
[twisti]its a server that i set up with my ssh public key as default login19:30
[twisti]and the first thing i did after logging in was make a user19:31
EriC^^alt0id: do you want the whole drive unencrypted to just the home dir?19:31
Bashing-om[twisti]: Then that 1st created user can have root access. others you have to grant from that 1st account .19:32
[twisti]Bashing-om: it already does, i put it in the sudo group, that seems sufficient. im asking about whether/how i can further lock down the root account since as far as i understand, im never going to need to use it directly again19:33
genii[twisti]: The root account is by default locked out from logging in, and has no viable password.19:34
[twisti]alright, i guess that means its already locked down then19:34
alt0idEriC^^: either/or would be good19:35
[twisti]it did let me log in though, with the ssh pub key19:35
alt0idbut i dont wanna type sh*t when i wanna access it19:35
[twisti]should i turn that off somehow ?19:35
genii[twisti]: The first user created ( normally UID 1000 on *buntu installs) has sudo priveleges by default, subsequent users do not19:35
EriC^^alt0id: move the files out of the private dir19:35
[twisti]genii: learned something new then19:36
EriC^^alt0id: move not copy19:36
black_13how do I mount linux directory so I can see it on windows19:38
akikblack_13: install ext2fsd19:40
alt0idEriC^^: worked19:41
alt0idthanks19:41
EriC^^alt0id: no problem19:41
Neo1Hi!19:42
Neo1I want create ftp for users on server, How to do it? I used vsftpd19:43
Neo1seems it's not useful add users and folder19:43
Neo1I want to do like it is made on ISPManager, easy create users ftp accounts19:44
Neo1set username, password and path to folder, and nothing else19:44
Neo1vsftpd not handy thing19:45
* Mathisen sends a note to Neo1 that reads "ftp is old and not secure please use ssh instead"19:46
Neo1Mathisen: if ssh use can execute commands, I don't want it19:47
Mathisensftp is a thing19:47
Neo1Mathisen: see how to create use ssh user and he can only look his own dirrectory and nothing else?19:47
Neo1Mathisen: what is sftp I've read guide and there ftp with TLS/SSL19:48
akikNeo1: you can create a chroot setup with the included openssh-server package and "internal-sftp"19:50
MathisenNeo1, well first i would edit sshd_config and add that lets say group "neousers" are restricted to /home then i would " usermod neo1 -s /bin/false " to restict bash usage and i would be done19:50
akikNeo1: that way the users can be limited to their home dirs19:50
Neo1Mathisen: no not home, to /var/www/site_name , I need this19:50
Mathisenwell same thing would apply19:51
Neo1Mathisen: but it's take much time, in ISPManager I did it for a few seconds19:51
Neo1I need something that will time save, Seems some control panel?19:52
Neo1Mathisen: what do you think?19:52
Mathisento mutch time ? 4 lines in a config then just add users as normal or even make an alias that do everthing for you19:52
Neo1Mathisen: In instruction that I've read there added many lines of code19:53
Neo110 lines not 419:53
Mathisenhttps://bensmann.no/restrict-sftp-users-to-home-folder19:54
Mathisenafter you done the cfg changes and restarted sshd and added the group you can just make alias for rest19:55
Neo1Mathisen: see imagine I created site for test, test.my_real_domain.com. and Client ask me add access to some folder to watch how it work, ftp access, I won't give him ssh to all server19:56
Mathisenedit your ~/.bashrc and add at the bottom " alias neoftpuser-add='your command or commands here'19:56
Neo1Mathisen: I used to use ISPManager and easy create there account to any folder, and what shall I do now, I don't know19:57
Neo1Mathisen: well, better learn how to create user in shell and do it anywhere then use determined panel, probably. Will learn how do it19:58
MathisenNeo1, no one is forceing you to do anything use what you feel works for you, just wanted to point out that FTP should really not be used anymore19:59
Neo1Mathisen: I see many commands and don't know how to remember every of them19:59
Mathisenplay around in a VM and learn, and it will come in time. one thing is for sure if you use GUI for everything and never try to use console you never remember them20:00
dfivehey guys, everytime a new student wants to learn how to build java program it kills the system damn!20:00
dfive:P20:00
Neo1Mathisen: ufw, vshttpd, apache2, mysql, node.js, nvm, and others20:01
dfiveeverytime they run in problems with java and different versions and nothing runs20:01
Neo1users, ssl key, openssl, I can't remember this all and don't know :(20:01
Neo1Mathisen: how to learn this all? More practice and with time I'll know it?20:02
Mathisenyep20:02
snowkidindhow can i tell if my server is being used as an open proxy?20:02
Neo1Mathisen: or use good control panel?20:02
Neo1If I use ISPmanager I don't need now this all20:03
Neo1well, try now set FTP access to site directory and install wordpress, then will see what do to ahead :(20:04
Neo1Mathisen: I think maybe should wrote out on paper some command and learn it every day like we learn something in school until you have known it?20:05
Neo1or repeat installation every day until you've got strong skill20:05
Neo1repetition is mother of teaching... No exists other methods for learning...20:06
ioriaNeo1, repetita iuvant20:06
marcelodhi there!20:08
ibmr50eanyone knows chat channel name and server name for i3m??20:09
ibmr50eits a window manager20:09
EriC^^!alis | ibmr50e20:09
ubottuibmr50e: Alis is an IRC service to help you find channels. For help on using it, see "/msg Alis help list" or ask in #freenode. Example usage: "/msg Alis list http"20:09
marcelodI have ubuntu 16.10, and want to upgrade to 17.10 but apt-get dist-upgrade does not work for me :(  this is my output: https://pastebin.com/qbA5H6Xr20:10
marcelodany idea?20:10
ioriamarcelod, why are you using   dist-upgrade ?20:11
marcelodwhat should I use?20:11
ioria!eol | marcelod20:12
ubottumarcelod: End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades20:12
marcelodthnx20:12
ioriamarcelod, but if you want 17.10 i suggest a fresh install20:13
ars23Hi guys!20:13
marcelodioria... so do I, but the startup disk creator does not generate a bootable usb-drive20:14
EriC^^marcelod: try using dd20:14
marcelodI get the iso image into the usb drive but it is not bootable and if by hand I want to do it, it crashes when starting20:15
ioriamarcelod, use  dd  :    sudo dd if=uubntu.iso of=/dev/ddx20:15
marcelodblock size?20:15
EriC^^bs=4M20:15
ioriamarcelod, if you want, not necessary20:15
EriC^^remember to unmount the usb first, and "sync" after dd finishes20:15
marcelodEriC^^, how do I sync?20:16
EriC^^type 'sync' in a terminal20:17
marcelodsudo?20:17
geniiyes20:17
marcelodthanks nice people20:17
_geoffhi, i have a pem root certificate file i need to install on an ubuntu server20:20
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Neo1Mathisen: see what I've found https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-webmin-on-ubuntu-16-0420:26
Neo1seems it's not bad thing...20:26
ioriaNeo1, wemin is broken20:26
ioria*webmin20:26
Neo1ioria: what does it mean?20:27
ioria!webmin20:27
ubottuwebmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system.20:27
Neo1ok20:27
auronandaceNeo1: how long have you been trying to set up a server now? how many days?20:27
Neo1ioria: and what supported now ubuntu?20:27
Neo1auronandace: 3 weeks, but I do it last 4 days actively20:28
Neo1one week20:28
ioriaNeo1,  if you would be so kind to clarify your real purpose, maybe someone clould help you20:28
Neo1just have trouble viruses on windows, reinstall all, and other troubles20:28
auronandaceNeo1: you've even paid for a domain name without really knowing what you are doing...20:29
Neo1auronandace: it cost nothing )))20:29
Neo1I can buy many domains for 150 rubs for one year20:29
Neo1auronandace: domain cost 2.5$ for one year and digital ochean 5$, It's nothing20:30
auronandaceNeo1: it didn't occur to you to try things out in a vm first?20:31
Neo1what is vm?20:31
auronandaceNeo1: virtual machine20:32
Neo1virtual machine?20:32
Neo1now now, better use real server like digitalochean, I'm going buy else one domain20:32
auronandaceNeo1: nothing is going to work for you if you keep ignoring peoples advice and refuse to read documentation20:33
Neo1auronandace: I'm reading, there much texts20:33
Neo1I read and can't figure out and remember all :(20:34
Neo1maybe shell help me?20:34
fubHi. I got a new thinkpad x1 carbon and installed ubuntu 17.10. Touchpad works, but it needs some fine adjustments, is there any driver/config I can adjust?20:34
Neo1auronandace: I need shell yes/20:34
mellebTJ-: You helped me out with an ath10k_pci wifi issue yesterday. The hwe kernel wasn't working, but before I tried the bootable usbs with 16.04 and 17.10 I remembered you said something about hwe-next. Upgrading to kernel 4.13.0-17 did the trick. Thanks a lot for your help!20:34
TJ-melleb: That's great news!20:34
TJ-melleb: so there is a kernel bug somewhere then20:35
mellebTJ-: I guess there is20:35
Neo1I think I need shell, Its tool is made for automate routine work on server, impossible remember all commands20:35
fermmyNeol; Ansible will be your friend if you're getting into server maintenance/management.20:36
Mathisena bit overkill to start with Ansible would you think20:37
Mathisenbut sure go for it20:37
Bashing-omNeo1: Hint: No one remembers all the commands - no one .. make up a cheat sheet in your favorite text editor is one way to reference the commands you use .. and also become familiar with the installed  manual .20:38
* Mathisen agrees with auronandace read documentation and learn how your servies works on one machine then try to scale it if needed20:38
Neo1Bashing-om: see I did this https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zi6Kh4G25x7tCPP35Kd56FMAvfGqlz1DdI2Mm3aIP78/edit?usp=sharing20:40
Neo1and will improve it20:41
Bashing-om!info mysql-server xenial20:48
ubottumysql-server (source: mysql-5.7): MySQL database server (metapackage depending on the latest version). In component main, is optional. Version 5.7.20-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 (xenial), package size 9 kB, installed size 146 kB20:48
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xzhey, I broke my apt-get. I think some process in background was updating kernel and got stuck, then I killed it and now when doing 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' it hankgs on 'update-initramfs' https://hastebin.com/iteropujep.sql20:58
xzis there anything I can do to debug? maybe at least see where/how that 'update-initramfs' is stuck?20:59
kamoricksHey. I've got a machine that stops booting at initramfs. Recovery CD says HD is fine. What else could cause this issue?21:01
xzcan I drop that kernel update for example? and restart from scratch?21:02
Bashing-om!info linux-image-generic zesty21:05
ubottulinux-image-generic (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 4.10.0.40.40 (zesty), package size 2 kB, installed size 13 kB21:05
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Bashing-omxz: 32 bit hardware ?21:06
xzBashing-om: AMD64, I found some bug on launchpad, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/166751221:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1667512 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "update-initramfs hangs on upgrade, dpkg unusable, unbootable system" [Undecided,Confirmed]21:07
xzBashing-om: I'm not sure if system is bootable or not as I didn't try rebooting21:07
Bashing-omxz: K .. let me see what that bug report says .. be back soonest .21:08
xzBashing-om: I think the problem is that I have hanging 'cp' process that tries to copy some stuff into samba share. I cannot kill that process as it doesn't respond to kill -9. And I cannot umount the share as it is 'busy'21:10
xzBashing-om: I just figure out that 'cp' zombie after reading bug description21:10
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Bashing-omxz: Well, we can investiage that zombie theory . What shows - ps aux | grep 'Z' - ?21:16
Neo1what is use sftp or ftp?21:17
xzBashing-om: https://hastebin.com/ayededarum.pl21:17
Neo1in this totorial sftp even easier set up than vshttpd https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zi6Kh4G25x7tCPP35Kd56FMAvfGqlz1DdI2Mm3aIP78/edit21:17
xzBashing-om: so no cp in there, but cp is generally hanging (I guess it's not marked as zombie)21:17
windymindyHello. I was wondering, if there is anyone who has manages to uncloud-init ubuntu cloud image to use it in virtualbox.21:18
windymindymanaged*21:18
Neo1for sftp nothing install, it's default work21:18
leftyfb Neo1 not true. sftp/scp requires an ssh daemon21:19
Neo1leftyfb: why we use vsftpd?21:19
leftyfbNeo1: I don't know why you're using ftp21:19
Bashing-omxz: delving deeper .. 2 zombies. 1st ' pstree -p -s 1648 ' says what ? to identify the parent .21:20
Neo1leftyfb: in this tutorial using it https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zi6Kh4G25x7tCPP35Kd56FMAvfGqlz1DdI2Mm3aIP78/edit21:20
xzBashing-om: systemd(1)───avahi-daemon(1587)───avahi-daemon(1648)21:20
Neo1what is better use sftp and don't install vsftpd?21:21
leftyfbNeo1: that link isn't a tutorial. It's a laundry list which isn't supported21:21
leftyfbNeo1: depends on your needs21:21
hydruidNeo1: that list looks terrible21:22
Neo1leftyfb: my needs open user access to some folder on my site for he can modify some files and nothing else21:22
hydruidNeo1: What are you actually trying to do?21:22
Neo1leftyfb: for myself I'll use ssh, for somebody who will ask me I'll give access21:22
Neo1hydruid: trying to learn server, nothing do important certainly21:23
hydruidNeo1: If you have users who need to access the server, SSH would be best. Users can transfer files over SSH21:24
Bashing-omxz: think'n bout this // spawned by avahi-daemon tends to make me careful .21:24
xzBashing-om: I think it might have been some sort of automatic kernel update, don't know exactly what it was21:24
hydruidNeo1: No worries, everyone has to start somewhere. I recommend that you decide how you want it to work, then focus on getting there.21:24
leftyfbhydruid: "for he can modify some files and nothing else"   # This part requires more attention21:24
xzBashing-om: the problem was (couple of days ago) that I couldn't use apt-get as it was 'locked' constantly21:24
xzBashing-om: so I killed whoever was keeping the lock21:25
hydruidNeo1: by focusing on a project goal, it's easier to get things done as there is a clear goal21:25
Neo1hydruid: I won't give them access to all site only to determined directory and without run shell command21:25
xzBashing-om: it might have respawned back then (which would suggest systemd was trying to finish the job)21:25
Neo1hydruid: just imitate FTP21:25
xzBashing-om: anyway, now there is not 'apt-get' nor 'dpkg' hanging21:25
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hydruidNeo1: allow them to modify their home directory and nothing else21:25
xzBashing-om: there is these zombies + hanging cp process in ps aux | grep cp21:25
hydruidThat is the default configuration for SSH. Do you want something different?21:25
hydruidNeo1: ^^21:26
Neo1hydruid: I need SSH user that can only coppy files to server and read only one directory and doesn't see others21:26
xzBashing-om: and I cannot kill that cp because it's waiting for samba share to respond I guess, and samba seems to be stuck21:26
xzBashing-om: and I cannot umount samba as it's 'busy'21:26
Neo1hydruid: I didn't know it21:26
xzBashing-om: I guess I could shut down or force shut down, but then I'm not sure if it will boot again21:26
leftyfbhydruid: default ssh allows a user to traverse almost the entire directory structure. They might not be able to modify most things, but they will certainly be able to see the contents of almost everything21:26
Neo1hydruid: see do you think this guide that I need? https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-enable-sftp-without-shell-access-on-ubuntu-16-0421:27
hydruidNeo1: take a look at this: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/restrict-linux-users-to-their-home-directories-only/21:27
Bashing-omxz: If you know the right process .. cam always kill it gracefilly . see: https://askubuntu.com/questions/111422/how-to-find-zombie-process .21:27
windymindyHello. I was wondering, if there is anyone who has managed to uncloud-init ubuntu cloud image to use it in virtualbox. https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/29623621:28
xzBashing-om: 1648 [avahi-daemon] <defunct> respawns21:29
xzBashing-om: or I cannot kill it as PID doesn't change21:29
Neo1ok, I won't use FTP and it install difficult, will try to use SFTP now21:30
windymindyNeo1: have you tried filezilla?21:31
Neo1windymindy: yes, but winSCP in a few times better, I use it, it allow instantly edit files on server without confirm load back21:31
Neo1windymindy: I used to use filezile, but now I use winSCP21:32
Bashing-omxz: will take one the more experienced here than I ... messing about with avahi-daemon scares me off .21:32
windymindyyou can use filezilla server-side to create ftp server21:32
windymindyand access it from windows explorer21:33
windymindyit has accounts management21:33
windymindyIf I were you, I would set up caddy web server with upload option.21:33
Neo1ok21:35
FurretUberHi, my Virtual Machines are crashing when updating the kernel. The host is Xubuntu 17.10 and the guests are Ubuntu 16.0421:35
xzBashing-om: let's say I just shut down that machine. Whatever happens, I should still be able to boot older kernel, right?21:36
xzBashing-om: as odler ones don't get automatically removed21:36
FurretUberAs a example, one of them was upgrading the kernel using the graphical interface: https://i.imgur.com/dPhFcrL.png21:37
FurretUberThis is what dmesg logged: https://i.imgur.com/JArV2MJ.png21:37
FurretUberSome time ago, this crash in the guest would make the host problematic too. Now, while the host is kept stable, the guest stops working21:38
jayjoif I'm serving a site from a hugo build (golang) and it outputs to a public folder in my home directory, are there reasons I would not want to symlink the folder instead of copying the contents to /var/www each time?21:40
Bashing-omxz: I can not see why not .. might check and see what kernels are available to beeo up ' ls -al /boot/ ' .21:42
Bashing-omboot*21:42
xzBashing-om: https://hastebin.com/diveruqepa.cpp21:42
xzBashing-om: would you say chances of this booting up again are high?21:43
xz:)21:43
Bashing-omxz: Ouch ! No !! What have you been doing ?? .. should be similar : http://termbin.com/dhm6 . You have no alternates .21:45
xzBashing-om: so if my regular kernel does't boot then I cannot specify another one in grub?21:46
Bashing-omxz: redo over .. ' ls -al /boot/ ' let me see it in a format I am looking for .21:46
xzBashing-om:   https://hastebin.com/labiyitowo.hs21:47
windymindyHello. I was wondering, if there is anyone who has managed to uncloud-init ubuntu cloud image to use it in virtualbox. https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/29623621:48
Bashing-omxz: Yes .. Sorry for my haste in the last look . You DO have 3 additional kernels that should boot :)21:49
xzBashing-om: ok, I'm trying to reboot. Will choose lastest kernel first in grub, and then if that doesnt' work I will fall back to older ones21:50
Bashing-omxz: K ... depending on what happens is what we do or nothing to do :)21:50
xzBashing-om: it's good to have a plan and some faith21:51
TJ-xz: Bashing-om not just vmlinuz - check there are full-sized matching initd.img too21:52
Bashing-omTJ-: Yes .. Had in mind to see what did result booting an alternate kernel . then make sure /boot/, /usr/src/linux-headers, /lib/modules/ are also consistent .21:55
Richard_CavellIs there any word on 18.04 or is it too early to ask?22:27
mutanteRichard_Cavell: https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-18-04-release-features/22:28
mutanteApril 26 201822:29
Richard_Cavellmutante: I see22:32
Neo1what does means user group?22:51
Neo1root:root?22:51
Neo1I've created new user test, which group it has now?22:51
Neo1test?22:52
geniiYes22:53
Neo1genii: what does means neo : root ?22:57
Neo1genii: group neo ?22:57
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Neo1how many groups I have? as many as users?22:57
Neo1number of groups equal number of users?22:58
Neo1genii: you know?22:58
akikNeo1: the available groups in your system can be found in /etc/group22:59
Neo1akik: what group gets new user?22:59
xzBashing-om:  hey, I've been able to successfully reboot and dpkg --configure -a finished with success also23:01
kk4ewtNeo1,  usually new users get their own group based on their pid23:01
Neo1yes I see23:01
kk4ewtopen a terminal and type groups and it will show you what groups you are in23:02
Neo1kk4ewt: I can't figure out what folder shall I create for sftp23:02
Neo1owner should be root,23:02
kk4ewtanything in your /home23:02
kk4ewtno23:02
Bashing-omxz: Grat .. all then is good now ?23:03
Neo1no I want give access to /var/www/name_of_my_site23:03
xzBashing-om: yes, thanks for help23:03
kk4ewtyou never want to allow root to ever be able to ssh23:03
kk4ewtsftp is ssh23:03
Bashing-omxz: Oh I did nothing but hold your hand :)23:03
mutanteif you want to just allow access to existing directories, you don't need to create any new "folders"23:04
Neo1kk4ewt: yes, I create new user test, and now need folder give root:root chown23:04
xzBashing-om: you spent some time, appreciated23:04
Neo1root:root permission23:04
kk4ewtno you need to learn how to run a webhost23:04
kk4ewtto allow your user to be able to sftp into that folder23:05
Neo1kk4ewt: I leart it23:05
kk4ewtyou have 2 different things there23:05
kk4ewtno you havent23:05
kk4ewtif you did you would have learned how to use web_public in your /home23:05
Neo1ok, continue learning23:06
Neo1kk4ewt: no, my sites will placed in /var/www directory23:06
Neo1each site has his own name23:06
mutantedon't use root, create a proper group for the admins. let the files be owned by the group. add humans to group.23:06
omginahelllo23:06
omginaI installed a chrome extension23:07
omginahow do I find the binaries23:07
Neo1I want to reach this /var/www/test.american-chat.ru and put there wordpress23:07
omginawhere are there. I got to run them via the tor network23:07
omginapleaes tell me23:07
arakashI need some help. Audio stopped working on my 17.04 system. Tried rebooting but not helping. Thanks in advance.23:07
Neo1at first I want set up there sftp access and only for one directory, but I afraid if I change permission Apache2 won't work correctly23:08
Bashing-om!sound | arakash23:08
ubottuarakash: If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings.  If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files,  see !players and !mp3.23:08
Neo1Seems Apache has root group, But it's not exactly23:08
mutanteNeo1: Apache running as root = BAD23:09
mutanteand i doubt it23:09
mutanteit's more likely "www-data" that it runs as23:09
Neo1I forgot how I run it23:09
mutanteuse "ps" to find out23:09
omginahow do I find a file , it's phrase is ledger it's in home23:10
omginashall I use grep or find?23:10
mutanteomgina: find23:11
mutanteif you are looking for file names23:11
Neo1for group /etc/group , for users /etc/passwd23:11
mutantegrep if you are looking for content of files23:11
omginamutante: I search in the super bar, and it shows me, so how do I see the location of that file that I see in the super bar, it's a chrome extension23:13
mutanteomgina: sorry, i have no idea what the superbar is23:14
akikwhat use is of a "super bar" if you can't find the actual file?23:14
omginain ubuntu when you press the super key, it's search bar23:14
akikomgina: if your file name contains "ledger" you can find it with: find $HOME -iname "*ledger*"23:15
Neo1drwxr-xr-x , in this d means dir, if '-' it means file?23:23
Neo1it's my directory for Apache223:23
donofrioworld, group, user for each read/write/execute column23:24
Neo1second xr means all users can read it and execute but can't write there and third x it's relate for who?23:24
mutanteNeo1: no, "-" just means "nothing" here, as in "not w"23:25
mutantenot writable23:25
mutanteNeo1: third group is for "rest of the world"23:25
Neo1donofrio: yes, see in this example drwxr-xr-x , rwxr  relate for root? xr relate for all rest user and x for who/23:25
Neo1?23:25
donofrioNeo1, what mutante said is right23:26
Neo1mutante: why there four letters rwxr?23:26
akik!permissions | Neo123:26
ubottuNeo1: An explanation of what file permissions are and how they can be manipulated can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions23:26
Neo1mutante: see this screen, why there d and near other '-' ?? dash means file? http://prntscr.com/hj5gol23:27
mutanteNeo1: there are 3 groups of rwx plus 1 prefix23:28
mutanteNeo1: "-" means "not a directory" and "no sticky bit" and "no suid bit"23:28
mutanteNeo1: everything is a file though23:28
mutanteNeo1: "-" just always means "not set", but the very first letter is different from the 3 x "rwx" following it, for special purposes23:29
Neo1mutante: ok, probably, should learn. No first directory, you see its blue color23:31
Neo1mutante: other letter means permissions and first if dash it's file if d it's directory23:32
Neo1I noticed all directory has d at first23:32
mutanteNeo1: kind of, except that directories are also files, but i am pedantic23:32
mutanteNeo1: yea, it's not wrong, the d is for directory23:33
Neo1mutante: yes see http://prntscr.com/hj5j3j23:34
Neo1and other 9 letters is permission, I just though they separated by -23:34
Neo1- is not set as you said23:34
mutanteNeo1: yes, there is no separator23:35
Neo1I understood, all folders are files and all files have permission.23:48
Neo1Root user is able to access all files on computer23:48
Neo13 kind of permission 4 read, 2write, 1 execute23:48
Neo1and (---)(---)(---), what does means other, who is other?23:48
mutanteNeo1: any user on the system who is not the owner or in the primary group23:49
Neo1first its owner, second it's other user on computer and who is others? It's people from internet who reach your site?23:49
mutanteNeo1: people who have user accounts on your system23:49
Neo1mutante: and any app in system relate to some group?23:49
mutantemore or less, yea23:49
Neo1mutante: it's others?23:49
=== Mittens_AFK is now known as mittens
Neo1mutante: I think others it's now people who has account on my system, if you have account on my system you are relate to user, not to others23:50
mutanteNeo1 yes, o for others23:50
Neo1mutante: others its who have nothing23:50
Neo1mutante: but see, how we determine others in real world? See seems in system each application has group?23:51
Neo1I know 755 for folders and 644 for files should be installed for wordpress site23:52
mutanteNeo1: basically "grep -v ownername /etc/passwd"  all users minus the owner of the file23:52
mutantethat's "o"23:52
Neo1mutante: what does means "o"?23:53
mutanteNeo1: < Neo1> mutante: it's others?  < mutante> Neo1 yes, o for others   < Neo1> mutante: but see, how we determine others23:54
Neo1mutante: I use this for get list of users cut -d: -f1 /etc/passwd23:54
mutanteNeo1: that works, yes23:54
multifractalI had a program lmms installed through apt-get. Then I apt-get removed it and installed lmms-vst-full (a variant of the first program which includes extra functionalities) instead, also via apt-get. But now when I try to start it with `$ lmms`, it says "bash: /usr/bin/lmms: No such file or directory". apt seemed to install it without errors, how can I find the new program to start it?23:54
Neo1mutante: but no, see first is owner it's who person who file is belonged23:55
Neo1second it's group of users ?23:56
mutanteNeo1: try this to learn:  - create a new group "testers" or "pokemons" or whatever. - add 2 users to that group  - give write permissions on a file to that _group_ but don't change owner  - let one of the user try writing to it23:56
Neo1mutante: listen what the group? it's group of this user? If my user neo and group neo?23:56
=== JeremyD is now known as SleePy
mutanteNeo1: yes, second is a group. it can be any group you want. existing one or make one23:57
mutanteit's the group who owns this file, change it with "chown".  chown user:group file23:57
Neo1and which group belong file?23:57
mutantethe one you pick23:58
mutanteyou see it in the output of ls23:58
=== pauljw1604 is now known as pauljw
Neo1mutante: let's break down this example for clarify,23:59
Neo1I created new file and look at permission23:59
Neo1drwxrwxr-x 2 neo neo  4096 Dec  4 23:22 new23:59
Neo1What can you said about this file, who can use it?23:59
Neo1it belong neo and group neo yes23:59
Neo1user neo can rwx this file23:59

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