 @Brokera, 😢
 @tsimonq2, wxl, I'm doing some changes in lubuntu.me, replacing some proprietary-code shortcodes by opensource Genesis (also their columns plugin looks way better in mobiles)
 question, should I add the phabricator to the support page? is it that public?
 (Photo, 299x353) https://i.imgur.com/8GqZPGF.jpg also, wxl, I added the option to toot every site modification (including blog posts, updates, links changed, etc). you happy now? ;)
 @VikingRedwolf, OK 👍
 is that a YES to add the phab link?
 @VikingRedwolf, Yes?
 👍🏻
[14:11] <wxl[m]> @vikingredwolf toot something so we can see it in action
 I modified a page and it tooted it automatically :$ I deleted it
 but I shall, I'll prove that feature when I "fix" the homepage (something broke it, sigh)
[14:12] <wxl[m]> K
[14:12] <wxl[m]> Or announce phab?
 better :)
 if you're so kind, wxl, can you think about what to say? :) you know a can be very "spartan" sometimes :)
[16:36] <wxl> "Inspired by the wonderful KDE folks, Lubuntu has created a Phabricator instance (http://phab.lubuntu.me) for our project. Phabricator (https://www.phacility.com/phabricator/) is an open source, version control system-agnostic collaborative development environment similar in some ways to GitHub, GitLab, and perhaps a bit more remotely, like Launchpad. We were looking for tools to organize, coordinate,
[16:36] <wxl> and collaborate, especially across teams within the project. In particular, we wanted a taskbaord similar to Trello, which Phabricator does a great job with. It also has lots of other features (including continuous integration which perhaps we may make use out of). We encourage you to get an account and play with it, find places that you can contribute (such as deciding on Lubuntu Next apps:
[16:36] <wxl> http://phab.lubuntu.me/T14). We're working on Ubuntu One authentication (http://phab.lubuntu.me/T11) but you can do a normal user/password as well as GitHub or Twitter OAuth. Let us know if you have any questions, comments, or concerns."
[16:36] <wxl> ^^ @VikingRedwolf
[16:36] <wxl> OH WAIt
[16:37] <wxl> Add this in there: After you're done checking it out, you might want to contribute to this poll about adding a Canonical-hosted Phabricator: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/poll-phabricator-versus-launchpad/2119/8"
[16:40] <wxl> omg the community support for phabricator is discourse. w t f
[16:44] <agaida> at least they use the right language in the support :P
[16:45] <wxl> as opposed to?
[16:45] <agaida> ruby vs php
[16:45] <wxl> oh oh oh yeah...
[16:46] <agaida> :) and discourse isn't that bad - if one install it without docker
[16:47] <wxl> the irony is that all the functionality of discourse exists within phabricator
[16:47] <wxl> tl;dr poor dogfooding
 @wxl, O.O
 I certainly prefer the spartan way
[16:48] <agaida> ouch
[16:48] <wxl> you asked for it
[16:49] <agaida> wxl: see it that way - if they wreck phabricator they can give support or ask for help  :P
 Like... "hey, we have Phab now. Cool, ey?" 😐
[16:49] <wxl> agaida: right, and that's why you run all your lxqts in vms inside windows, right? XD
[16:50] <agaida> no, to complicated
[16:50] <agaida> but i tend to agree that windows would be a nice and stable base
[16:50] <agaida> :P
[16:50]  * wxl facepalms
[16:51] <agaida> maybe with the windows virt solution
[16:51] <agaida> hihihi
[16:52] <agaida> but i have found a rock stable and production ready solution for LXQt - i simply run a rock stable sid :D
[16:53] <agaida> and the best is: no need to reinstall, no need to mention a new name every few month or all two years - just use it without any problems
[16:53]  * agaida hide
 wxl, @VikingRedwolf: Mention our current Phab hosting provider in that post
[17:16] <wxl> yes
[17:16] <wxl> btw i am annoyed by that "check them out at blah blah blah"
[17:16] <wxl> just put a link in there
 @wxl, BTW that poll sucks. Canonical hosting for this beast would be a nightmare...
[17:17] <wxl> that's nice
 So shush about the Altispeed plug :P
[17:18] <wxl> the plug is no problem
[17:18] <wxl> the implementation is dumb
 Same thing with hosting of Phab. The Phab site is fine, but implementation on Canonical servers where nobody on the Lubuntu team can just SSH in and make fixes is dumb.
 I would be totally fine with it if it was in like an LXD container and multiple members of the team had root SSH access.
 But that's not the case.
[17:20] <wxl> you're comparing apples and oranges
 And afaict can't be the case.
 Maybe. ;P
[17:21] <wxl> 1. you're arguing against something on the basis of the potential of an unlikely edge case
[17:23] <wxl> 2. the plug is poorly implemented because it fails to utilize a core technology of the web: hyperlinks. few people will bother copying and pasting.
[17:24] <RedWolf[m]> Question: are we able to install phab in the future Canonical server? In that case, can we move it without losing its contents?
[17:24] <RedWolf[m]> Ok. That was 2 questions 😊
[17:26] <wxl> 1. doubtful if it isn't widely supported by canonical, thus the poll
[17:26] <wxl> 2. yes
[20:45] <wxl> @VikingRedwolf why don't you change the support page to be called contacts?
[20:45] <wxl> although ideally we would have a redirect since people probably got used ot support
 "links" is more likely
[20:45] <wxl> so maybe you should just split it
[20:45] <wxl> HOW TO GET SUPPORT
[20:45] <wxl> OTHER CONTACTS
 so "links" then
[20:45] <wxl> or
[20:45] <wxl> leave support but move all the contacts to a different page
[20:46] <wxl> ^^ probably the best idea
 too many pages
 let me try something and I'll show you
[20:46] <wxl> too bad
 actually, only AskUbuntu and #lubuntu are support things
[20:47] <wxl> and the mailing list, no?
 yup
 I'll add the word SUPPORT to those three
[20:48] <wxl> and actually we don't have lubuntu-devel mailing list on there
 missing?
[20:48] <wxl> yep
[20:48] <wxl> there's just "Mailing list"
 you're right. I put only "users mailing list". please, send me the dev link.
[20:50] <wxl> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-devel
 ta!
 shit. now they're 13!!
 http://lubuntu.me/links/
 @VikingRedwolf, Redirect from Support
 there's no support anymore
[21:06] <wxl> devel list says support
 O.O
[21:07] <teward> timeToFixIt :P
 yes, my bad
 done!
 now if you try lubuntu.me/support it goes to lubuntu.me/links
 .___.
 the rest of possible 404 errors still show a sad Lenny 😀
[21:18] <wxl> so no lubuntu.me/yourmom?
 no, simon's mum
[21:18] <wxl> ooooh
[21:19] <lynorian_next> I was asked in a bug report to attach an strace by agaida but am having trouble saving the output to be attached.
[21:20] <wxl> -o filename, lynorian_next
[21:21] <lynorian_next> wxl thanks
[21:21] <wxl> np
 now, time to hang the balls. the shiny ones, for the tree, you know...
[22:33] <agaida> and the strace was helpful
[22:41] <agaida> https://pb.5id.eu/DOJw -- erm, really
[22:42] <agaida> if a program should read a configuration it it at least helpful if the configuration file is within the search path
[22:44] <agaida> with the xdg-patch applied the standard locations could and should be used - for downstream that would be /etc/xdg/lxqt/$foo and /etc/$foo - there is no need to be creative with the xdg search pathes