[05:30] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: what an upload to trigger som hunderd unnecessary autopkg tests ... http://launchpadlibrarian.net/348100722/python-numpy_1%3A1.13.3-1ubuntu1_1%3A1.13.3-1ubuntu2.diff.gz
[08:31] <FourDollars> Hi, does anyone know how to make http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial-proposed/main/installer-amd64/current/images/cdrom/debian-cd_info.tar.gz manually?
[08:59] <cjwatson> FourDollars: It's one of the many outputs of building the debian-installer source package (in the correct context, i.e. with the right things in /etc/apt/sources.list)
[09:00] <FourDollars> cjwatson: Is there any guide for building the debian-installer source package?
[09:02] <FourDollars> cjwatson: I am verifying some grub patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1734278 so I need to make grubx64.efi for the USB stick.
[09:02] <FourDollars> cjwatson: I found the grubx64.efi in grub2_2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.14_amd64.tar.gz doesn't boot into the GRUB menu.
[09:03] <FourDollars> cjwatson: It just showed grub prompt.
[09:05] <cjwatson> FourDollars: It's a source package - you build it ...
[09:05] <cjwatson> E.g. sbuild
[09:07] <FourDollars> cjwatson: OK. Got it. Let me try to build debian-installer. Thx.
[09:09] <cjwatson> (Though it's probably better to unpack it, make sure you're in a chroot with sources.list matching what you want to end up in the installer images, satisfy build-deps, and then use the make targets in build/ directly - if you just run 'make' there you'll get a list of possible targets)
[09:09] <cjwatson> (otherwise you end up building half the world that you don't care about)
[09:10] <FourDollars> OK
[09:11] <FourDollars> Failed to obtain signed grub image, despite $SIGNED_IMAGE being set.
[09:11] <FourDollars> config/x86.cfg:40: recipe for target 'x86_grub_efi' failed
[09:12] <cjwatson> I don't remember the details - you'll need todig
[09:12] <cjwatson> *to dig
[09:13] <FourDollars> OK
[09:59] <Unit193> LocutusOfBorg: Speaking of, did you see my link the other day?  https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+sourcepub/8538825/+listing-archive-extra
[10:01] <LocutusOfBorg> Unit193, nope
[10:01] <LocutusOfBorg> looking now
[10:01] <LocutusOfBorg> do you want an upload?
[10:02] <Unit193> If it looks right, sure do!
[10:04] <LocutusOfBorg> .
[10:05] <Unit193> Danke.
[10:07]  * LocutusOfBorg renews his whyyounocoredev?
[10:09] <Unit193> LocutusOfBorg: I need to file the MOTU application, have to find a meeting that works timewise.
[10:10] <LocutusOfBorg> oh you still no motu?
[10:11] <Unit193> Right, silly meetings. :/
[10:12] <Unit193> They're all scheduled pretty early.
[10:21] <FourDollars> cjwatson: Thx a lot. I have generated debian-installer-images_20101020ubuntu451.17_amd64.tar.gz successfully.
[10:34] <cjwatson> FourDollars: good stuff
[14:04] <sil2100> sergiusens: hey! Wanted to know if there's any progress on the artful classic snaps issue in snapcraft?
[14:41] <sergiusens> sil2100 we are building the infra for it; it should be soon; might go faster once snapcraft 2.35 is accepted and gains some miles in the archive as it is our baseline to know if things aren't going to break bad :-)
[14:43] <sil2100> sergiusens: hah, ok, I see it's ready for -updates, probably no one pushed it through yet because of the ADT regressions, but from a quick look I see those are the always-failing tests anyway
[14:43] <sil2100> sergiusens: let me pick it up after I'm done with landscape
[14:44] <sergiusens> sil2100 oh, 2.35 in xenial is what we care about for the base; 2.35 for artful and bionic fail still due to the exact thing you want fixed ;-)
[14:44] <jamespage> doko: I dropped a load of python-* bits from the server seeds; they where mostly openstack related, and should have been left as depends of other seeded packages rather than being directly included
[14:45] <sergiusens> it wouldn't hurt to get them in the archive, it won't be any less broken; I am just battling reruns of snapcraft adt for armhf due to DNS timeouts, it has been almost 10 days of clicking "rerun"
[14:45] <jamespage> doko: however you won't get any demotion candidates for now
[14:45] <jamespage> doko: I've left moin and tickcount for other general review/opionion
[14:46] <doko> jamespage: ta!
[14:55] <ventrical> can anyone help us with this - But I am talking about ubuntu-unity-desktop and ubuntu-settings package from ppa. How can we move those to universe? Usually we need to go through MOTU where we need to find a member of Motu who can upload to archive, but in this case can we ping Martin? He can review it and has upload access to archive.
[15:07] <ventrical> we need to move ubuntu-unity-desktop and ubuntu-setting from the ppa: https://launchpad.net/~unity7maintainers/+archive/ubuntu/unity7-desktop
[15:07] <ventrical> and put them in universe.. but I do not have upload privy.
[15:11] <ventrical> oh yes.. goodmorning all from Canada :)
[15:11] <sil2100> sergiusens: released xenial and zesty, looking into the artful story - let me see if the only failures are as per the current artful+ breakage and then maybe release
[15:12] <ypwong> cyphermox, i want to follow up bug 1734278, is it possible to update the file mentioned in #4 as well?
[15:13] <cyphermox> ok
[15:38] <jbicha> ventrical: file a bug and subscribe ~ubuntu-sponsors see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[15:40] <ventrical> my mistake then. I though that we went through this or that it was taken care of.
[15:41] <ventrical> uh.. I had left a message with WillCooke and he was to talk with seb so I will wait till after TB but study the link in the meantime.
[15:43] <ventrical> jeremy .. btw .. could you look at this - https://code.launchpad.net/~dale-f-beaudoin/unity-control-center/update_distro_series/+merge/334637
[15:44] <ventrical> please and thankyou
[15:50] <juliank> ventrical: "ventrical <ventrical@ventrical-MS-7798>  Sat, 02 Dec 2017 21:03:28 -0500" - that's not a world-routable email address (nor is it a real name, I think that does not look good, but meh)
[15:50] <juliank> Not to mention the version change in there
[15:52] <ypwong> cyphermox, thanks for replying. Wonder if you have a schedule in mind when the fixed package can be uploaded?
[15:54] <cjwatson> I think consistent pseudonyms can be OK if that's actually what you want to achieve, but definitely needs a proper email address
[15:55] <juliank> Indeed
[16:01] <ventrical> ahhh.. thanks..
[16:01] <ventrical> i entered in a comment. So I can't edit the diffs in launchpad eh?
[16:02] <jbicha> I think the email issue is a problem with your bzr and devscripts config
[16:02] <ventrical> the pseudonym was generated by ssh
[16:03] <ventrical> jbicah  I could not find that file!
[16:03] <ventrical> you had emailed me about that .. couldn't find  it..
[16:03] <juliank> You'd edit your branch and push it
[16:04] <jbicha> maybe someone else can help you, I remember trying once but maybe I wasn't able to explain things well or maybe I didn't understand the problem well enough
[16:05] <juliank> YOu just need to set the DEBEMAIL environment variable I guess
[16:05] <ventrical> i appreciate all your help jbicha .. it is most lilely my misunderstanding
[16:05] <jbicha> because you have two problems, the changelog entry and the bzr commit itself doesn't have the right email address format
[16:05] <juliank> for example, I have DEBEMAIL=juliank@ubuntu.com EMAIL="Julian Andres Klode <juliank@ubuntu.com>"
[16:06] <juliank> (exported in my .profile or my .bashrc)
[16:08] <ventrical> yes . jeremey .. we went through that .. could not find ~devscripts I think I sent you a kite about it..
[16:10] <ventrical> so do I have to delete that branch and try again?
[16:10] <jbicha> no, you can use bzr push --overwrite
[16:10] <jbicha> well the overwrite might be unnecessary, depends on how you are fixing the problem
[16:11] <ventrical> just to  get my email right
[16:11] <cyphermox> ypwong: today, hopefully. it's what I'm working on
[16:12] <juliank> ventrical: Also get the version number right
[16:12] <juliank> While you're already at it anyway
[16:13] <juliank> 15.04.0+17.10.20170930-0ubuntu2 should stay that and not get a 3 at the end
[16:13] <jbicha> juliank: have you ever used bileto?
[16:13] <ventrical> :) .. I hope you guys don't hold it against me at the TB :)
[16:13] <juliank> jbicha: No.
[16:14] <ventrical> jermey mentioned bileto - i decided to learn bzr first... looks like I am not doing to well with it :)
[16:14] <jbicha> before April, all the Unity stuff (that was set up for it) used bileto for merges and publishing to Ubuntu, but it's all optional now
[16:14] <doko> jamespage: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-libvirt/+bug/1735393 is still seeded
[16:16] <ventrical> ok.. so what command  do I enter into terminal to get this e-mail identifier probem fixed?
[16:16] <jbicha> juliank: I'll let you handle review
[16:16] <jbicha> …and merge for this unity-control-center proposal if you want
[16:18] <juliank> jbicha: I don't really have any interest in that, I just did the review because it jumped at me :)
[16:19] <ventrical> juliank  what file is this in  <juliank> for example, I have DEBEMAIL=juliank@ubuntu.com EMAIL="Julian Andres Klode <juliank@ubuntu.com>"
[16:19] <juliank> that = merging
[16:20] <jbicha> well I didn't know if merging and uploading might jump out at you too :)
[16:20] <juliank> I don't have a local branch of it :)
[16:20] <juliank> I'm just doing some distractions between writing
[16:20] <ventrical> hey guys .. I 'll try another method
[16:21] <cjwatson> ventrical: people keep their default environment variables in various places, but ~/.pam_environment and ~/.bashrc are common
[16:21] <juliank> ventrical: I just have export DEBEMAIL=... and export EMAIL=... lines in my .profile, but depending on setup, it might also be .bashrc
[16:21] <juliank> and then source the file or log out and back in again
[16:21] <ventrical> bashrc ..ok .. lemme see if I can track that one down :)
[16:22] <cjwatson> (I use DEBFULLNAME='Colin Watson' and DEBEMAIL=cjwatson@ubuntu.com - I wouldn't have expected setting EMAIL to 'name <address>' to work consistently everywhere)
[16:22] <cjwatson> oh although I see that form is specifically documented in dch(1).  anyway I find my approach clearer :)
[16:23] <ventrical> what directory do I find bashrc?
[16:23] <juliank> I don't know, it just works
[16:23] <cjwatson> ventrical: your home directory.
[16:23] <cjwatson> and it's .bashrc, not bashrc
[16:24] <cjwatson> you will have a bad time if you forget punctuation
[16:24] <juliank> cjwatson: I had various combinations of EMAIL variables, but ultimately landed at this one as it seems to work fine
[16:25] <juliank> With stuff I had before, some tools had no name
[16:25] <juliank> or something
[16:26] <ventrical> .bashrc  ... yes . I have it .. and where do I enter the required data
[16:26] <juliank> long time ago, and mostly guesswork
[16:26] <juliank> ventrical: somewhere
[16:27] <juliank> I have it at the end
[16:27] <TJ-> ventrical: you should read the "Getting Set Up" section of http://packaging.ubuntu.com/singlehtml/index.html#document-ubuntu-packaging-guide/getting-set-up
[16:28] <ventrical> im confused .. it si a binary
[16:28] <ventrical> ok
[16:28] <juliank> it's not a binary, it's a shell script
[16:28] <TJ-> ventrical: specifically, the last few sentences entitled "Configure your shell"
[16:28] <ventrical> uh.. I went through that with seb and dirocks
[16:30] <ventrical> ok.. configure your shell .. looking at it..
[16:30] <ventrical> Hey .. 15 years of straight malware removal has affected me eh :)
[16:36] <ventrical> yes .. a c shell script - "Configure your Shell" in this link  http://packaging.ubuntu.com/singlehtml/index.html#document-ubuntu-packaging-guide/getting-set-up cant seem top find it
[16:37] <cjwatson> it's there, try searching.
[16:38] <cjwatson> it is not a "c shell" script, because that would be csh rather than bash
[16:39] <juliank> csh is hell
[16:39] <ventrical> ok.. well I am being schooled very well here... :) oh  yes .. found it - config shell script..
[16:42] <ventrical> ok.. so that wasn't so painful :)
[16:42] <ventrical> ok.. going to push a new branch then and try it out..
[16:43] <ventrical> brb
[16:51] <ventrical> changed to my real name but not my e-mail... <ventrical@ventrical-MS-7798>
[16:53] <ventrical> ok... going to try my ubuntu member account. sure wish I could solve this. will try a reboot..
[16:56] <cjwatson> May also be worth checking ~/.bazaar/bazaar.conf
[16:57] <cjwatson> "bzr config email"
[16:57] <cjwatson> you can change that with (e.g. in my case):  bzr config email='Colin Watson <cjwatson@ubuntu.com>'
[16:58] <cjwatson> err sorry, not that
[16:58] <cjwatson> bzr whoami 'Colin Watson <cjwatson@ubuntu.com>'
[16:59] <cjwatson> ah well I guess that was useless
[16:59] <juliank> It's been some time since I last used bzr. But at least I'm approaching git wizard levels :)
[17:09] <ventrical> reboot didn't work- still have the same message and no e-mail... so i will try my UbuntuMember account
[17:11] <jbicha> ventrical: see the recent comments at https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2017/12/05/%23ubuntu-devel.html
[17:15] <ventrical> yes .. checking that now..
[17:16] <ventrical> ventrical@ventrical-MS-7798:~$ bzr config email dale_f_beaudoin dale_f_beaudoin@hotmail.com ventrical@ventrical-MS-7798:~$
[17:17] <ventrical> so it is set right  ..uh .. I'll try dch -i again
[17:18] <juliank> bzr email setting != dch email setting
[17:19] <ventrical> dch -i
[17:19] <ventrical> nope .. it's not working..
[17:20] <juliank> ventrical: How about you paste your .bashrc on paste.ubuntu.com or similar?
[17:20] <ventrical> I keep getting ventrical@ventrical-MS-7798:~ in the changelog
[17:20] <juliank> well no
[17:21] <ventrical> ok.. well yes... see if I have access..
[17:21] <juliank> Surely that's your shell prompt
[17:21] <juliank> your email address does not have :~
[17:21] <cjwatson> env | grep ^DEB
[17:21] <TJ-> it's using $USER@$HOST since DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME aren't set
[17:22] <cjwatson> right, but it won't be putting :~ on the end
[17:22] <TJ-> ventrical: are you actually using bash ?
[17:22] <juliank> TJ-: We know that since an hour
[17:22] <ventrical> just a sec..
[17:23] <TJ-> juliank: makes me wonder though, if $HOME/.bashrc has the exports in it
[17:23] <cjwatson> it probably doesn't, but let's see
[17:23] <juliank> TJ-: That's what I'm trying to figure out .)
[17:23] <ventrical> I did exactly what the link told me to do -  export DEBFULLNAME="Dale Beaudoin" export DEBMAIL="dale_f_beaudoin@hotmail.com"
[17:24] <ventrical> appended that to .bashrc
[17:24] <juliank> ventrical: In two lines?
[17:24] <ventrical> yes!
[17:24] <Nafallo> ehrm. DEBEMAIL="Nafallo Bjälevik <nafallo@ubuntu.com>"
[17:24] <Nafallo> ^-- that works
[17:24] <juliank> Nafallo: the other one works too
[17:25] <Nafallo> just the e-mail refused to work for me on 16.04.3 at least :-)
[17:25] <TJ-> ventrical: answer cjwatson's question re what "env | grep ^DEB" shows
[17:25] <juliank> ventrical: As I said before, best to paste the .bashrc and the env output (or export output) somewhere.
[17:26] <ventrical> ok..sec.
[17:26] <cjwatson> you've also typoed DEBEMAIL as DEBMAIL, judging from the above.  it is really really really important to type things accurately.
[17:26] <jbicha> ventrical: also your bzr config email is definitely *not* right
[17:26] <cjwatson> if you consistently make small typos in this sort of thing then you're going to have a lot of problems.
[17:27] <jbicha> I assume you want something like "Dale Beaudoin <dale_f_feaudoin@hotmail.com>" instead of what you pasted
[17:27] <ventrical> juliank  ventrical@ventrical-MS-7798:~$ env | grep ^DEB DEBMAIL=dale_f_beaudoin@hotmail.com DEBFULLNAME=Dale Beaudoin ventrical@ventrical-MS-7798:~$
[17:27] <cjwatson> please don't collapse multiple lines onto one
[17:27] <cjwatson> if your IRC client insists on doing so then use paste.ubuntu.com instead
[17:27] <ventrical> cj .. ok  apologies..
[17:28] <cjwatson> otherwise other people are left trying to work out where the significant line breaks are supposed to go
[17:28] <juliank> OK, well fix the wrong DEBMAIL -> DEBEMAIL typo and run . ~/.bashrc again :D
[17:28] <ventrical> my apologies .. please forgive me :)
[17:29] <ventrical> did I do that ? :)
[17:29] <cjwatson> juliank: though I don't think it's just that, because we aren't seeing DEBFULLNAME taking effect
[17:29] <juliank> cjwatson: I think it's not picking that up because DEBEMAIL is not set
[17:29] <juliank> but I might be wrong
[17:29] <Nafallo> so if we're talking about devscripts regardless, CHANGELOG=changelog refuse to work. it's still trying debian/changelog :-)
[17:29] <ventrical> ok .. lemme try that
[17:30] <Nafallo> any ideas?
[17:30] <cjwatson> juliank: I don't think so, but maybe
[17:30] <juliank> Nafallo: pass -c changelog?
[17:30] <juliank> cjwatson: You seem right
[17:30] <Nafallo> juliank: that's my workaround ;-)
[17:30] <ventrical> do I edit in DEBEMAIL on both lines?
[17:31] <cjwatson> ventrical: please show us the current state of the file first
[17:31] <juliank> both lines? there should only be one
[17:31] <ventrical> export DEBFULLNAME="Dale Beaudoin"
[17:31] <ventrical> export DEBMAIL="dale_f_beaudoin@hotmail.com"
[17:32] <cjwatson> just the second of those
[17:32] <ventrical> ok.. gottchya :)
[17:32] <cjwatson> ventrical: also, does 'env | grep EMAIL' show anything?
[17:32] <ventrical> sec
[17:33] <sdeziel> ventrical: you missed the E in DEBEMAIL
[17:33] <cjwatson> sdeziel: we've sorted that, see above
[17:33] <juliank> I don't think this channel has been that active in a long time
[17:33] <sdeziel> hehe
[17:33] <ventrical> cj shows nothing now
[17:34] <Nafallo> I don't think DEBEMAIL is sorted yet, fwiw ;-)
[17:34] <juliank> ventrical: Did you reload the ~/.bashrc with source ~/.bashrc?
[17:34]  * ogra_ sniffs on Nafallo to see if he is real 
[17:34] <juliank> or just . ~/.bashrc
[17:34] <Nafallo> hi ogra_ :-)
[17:35] <ogra_> \o/
[17:35] <ogra_> awesome to have oyu back here !
[17:35] <ogra_> *you
[17:35] <Nafallo> it was time :-)
[17:35] <ogra_> :)
[17:38] <ventrical> bash: /home/ventrical/.bashrc: Permission denied
[17:38] <cjwatson> you made another typo
[17:38] <cjwatson> I am nearly certain that you typed simply '~/.bashrc' rather than '. ~/.bashrc'
[17:39] <ventrical> cj ..ok I entered it your suggest and it did nothing
[17:39] <ventrical> so I will try again?
[17:40] <cjwatson> ventrical: yep
[17:40] <cjwatson> ventrical: in the same shell as the one where you ran that last command
[17:40] <ventrical> ok
[17:41] <ventrical> The backup file debian/changelog.dch already exists --
[17:41] <ventrical> please move it before trying again
[17:41] <cjwatson> perhaps you already have an editor open in another window
[17:42] <ventrical> no I do not .. but I can delete the directory and start over again.
[17:42] <cjwatson> just delete that one file
[17:44] <ventrical> k , done .. trying again..
[17:44] <ventrical> whoops .. thats debain/changelog :)
[17:46] <mdeslaur> doko: I'm stealing your samba merge
[17:46] <ventrical> dch -i give me a blank nano screen .. so I have to redo this ?
[17:46] <cjwatson> weren't you working in a bzr branch?
[17:46] <cjwatson> if so, you should be able to do 'bzr revert debian/changelog' and you'll recover the last committed version
[17:48] <ventrical> nope ... ok.. I am ging to delete directory unity-control-center and start over .. it's good pratice .. thats for sticking this out with me all of you..
[17:49] <ventrical> brb
[17:50] <cjwatson> ok, this is exactly the sort of mistake that revision control is good at helping recover from, so it would be good to use it next time
[17:52] <ventrical> I agree with you.. I got to learn that .. downloading now ..
[17:57] <ventrical> ok .. it worked real e-mail is in .. whew.. I'm going to try and finish this up ... thanks so much eh..
[17:57] <cjwatson> excellent, finally :)
[17:59] <jbicha> ventrical: what's the output of  bzr whoami
[18:00] <ventrical> I am right in the process of commit n push  brb
[18:01] <jbicha> yeah but you need to fix bzr before committing…
[18:02] <ventrical> ok . sec
[18:02] <ventrical> jbicha bzr whoami => dale_f_beaudoin dale_f_beaudoin@hotmail.com
[18:03] <ventrical> is that still busted
[18:04] <juliank> seems like it
[18:04] <jbicha> yes your email address should be in <> and you probably want to use a real name at the beginning
[18:04] <juliank> Should be Normal Name <my@email.address>
[18:05] <ventrical> thats the way it comes up in the diff - ok .. so i am going to push a new branch on this
[18:06] <juliank> ventrical: in the diff is your changelog email, not your bzr email
[18:13] <jbicha> ventrical: try running a command like this:
[18:13] <jbicha> bzr whoami "Dale Beaudoin <dale_f_beaudoin@hotmail.com>"
[18:13] <ventrical> ok
[18:14] <ventrical> nothing happened
[18:15] <jbicha> good, now run bzr whoami to make sure it's correct
[18:15] <ventrical> oh .. here  it worked..  https://code.launchpad.net/~dale-f-beaudoin/unity-control-center/version_change/+merge/334774
[18:16] <ventrical> bzr whoami Dale Beaudoin <dale_f_beaudoin@hotmail.com>
[18:17] <jbicha> good, bzr is fixed now
[18:17] <ventrical> ok.. thanks jbicha .. i see your point now..
[18:17] <jbicha> you fixed the changelog but did you want to change the version to add LTS?
[18:18] <jbicha> you don't need to submit new merge proposals, just push to the same branch
[18:18] <ventrical> uh .. ? so a new thin now  :) yes.. an dso how to?
[18:18] <jbicha> what is dso?
[18:18] <ventrical> and so.. how to? :)
[18:18] <ventrical> typos
[18:19] <ventrical> how to change the version to LTS
[18:19] <ventrical> to ass LTS
[18:19] <ventrical> geesh ..
[18:19] <jbicha> the same way you changed it to 18.04, just add some extra letters ;)
[18:19] <ventrical> to ADD LTS
[18:20] <ventrical> now you tell me .. bwhahahaha...
[18:21] <ventrical> lunch
[18:21] <jbicha> well we did mention it earlier ;) https://code.launchpad.net/~dale-f-beaudoin/unity-control-center/update_distro_series/+merge/334637
[18:38] <ventrical>  i was just kidding ..  :) yes. my bad , of course..
[19:04] <ventrical> big thanks!! to all who helped me out with bzr e-mail problem
[20:01] <mdeslaur> infinity, kees: meeting now
[20:19] <Nafallo> stgraber: would there be an ubuntu channel about container stuff somewhere? I bet you'd be the best person to have clue :-)
[20:19] <stgraber> Nafallo: not really, there are knowledgable people in #ubuntu-server, otherwise for LXC/LXD we also hangout in #lxcontainers (which is not Ubuntu specific but the general LXC/LXD support channel)
[21:02] <jbicha> infinity: this looks like a fun team: https://launchpad.net/~disgusting-and-terrible-development
[21:12] <slangasek> "There are no branches related to Disgusting and terrible, but there doesn't seem to be a better way in Launchpad today."
[21:13] <juliank> oh oh what are they up too?
[21:13] <slangasek> juliank: warez
[21:13] <slangasek> does that word still have meaning? or am I dating myself by using it
[21:15] <juliank> slangasek: can we find some teen to ask?
[21:15] <juliank> I heard of it back in the last decade
[21:15] <Unit193> slangasek: People still join IRC and say 'Ciao\n!list'
[21:16] <Unit193> !list
[21:17] <cyphermox> ubottu's turn to date himself.
[21:17] <Unit193> It's very strange, but people still seek it over IRC..
[21:17] <juliank> Back in the mid ~2000s people were downloading stuff on IRC
[21:18] <juliank> I think they all switched to usenet?
[21:18] <juliank> And then bittorrent or whatever?
[21:19] <juliank> Since the late 2007s, people are doing a lot of streaming of videos on dubious sites
[21:20] <juliank> um, 2000s
[21:20] <juliank> I think video via Kodi is the latest hype?
[21:37] <Unit193> Is there a socially acceptable way to upload something to Ubuntu, where the next Debian upload will autosync?  Eg, I'd normally do -0ubuntu1, but I'd like the added benefit of an autosync (and -0build1 seems socially unacceptable and not what 'build' is for.)
[21:37] <Unit193> 0fakesync1 comes tomind, buut..
[21:42] <slangasek> Unit193: either -0build1 or -1~build1 should have the autosync behavior
[21:42] <juliank> but technically it's not a rebuild
[21:42] <slangasek> Unit193: you should certainly make sure you have a matching orig.tar.gz if you do this
[21:42] <juliank> Not that there is a better solution :)
[21:42] <Unit193> slangasek: Indeed, the tarballs will certainly match, and the delta otherwise is http://paste.openstack.org/show/PTajaBLuv168daE2P33d/
[21:43] <juliank> just typo it as -0buntu1?
[21:43] <juliank> ;)
[21:43] <slangasek> how do you know they will certainly match if it's not yet uploaded to Debian? :)
[21:43] <Unit193> juliank: Ahaha!!  Great solution!
[21:44] <Unit193> slangasek: Release tarballs since it has autotools, upstream doesn't re-release, Debian maintainer is sane, I'm part of the packaging team.
[21:44] <slangasek> ok
[21:44] <juliank> Unit193: Are you uploading in Debian too?
[21:44] <Unit193> juliank: No.
[21:45] <juliank> OK, otherwise I'd have suggested uploading to exp and syncing that
[21:45] <Unit193> VCS has it targetting unstable.
[21:47] <Unit193> juliank: Remember, I'm not a DD, so have to wait on sponsorship.  I have done all the work in Debian so the Ubuntu delta is literally d/changelog: "* Pull from Debian unreleased vcs."
[21:48] <juliank> Unit193: Maybe you should be a DD? :)
[21:52] <Unit193> juliank: Well yes, that's a goal.  Pretty fresh DM, and have to get the signed key thing figured out. :)
[21:52] <juliank> Oh well, signing key with a pseudonym is probably not eas<y
[21:53] <juliank> Given the focus on ids
[21:54] <Unit193> juliank: I've got 2 DD sigs, but as such Debian keyring maint restrictions are higher (I had to have the 2 for DM alone.)
[21:55] <juliank> Well, for pseudonyms, my policy would be meeting in at least two different occasions where the pseudonym is the same and knowledge of previous online discussions :)
[21:56] <juliank> How do others handle that?
[21:57] <juliank> It's basically the "hey, I've seen you at a previous debconf" debconf check :D
[22:04] <Unit193> (Not really sure I should derail #ubuntu-devel with this, but nevertheless.)  So far what I've done is scanned my driver's license, gpg detach signed it, then shown the DD mine in person as well as have him compare to the scanned version.
[22:04] <juliank> interesting
[22:07] <Unit193> I've never been to debconf, this last one was likely the closest it'll ever be.  Someone happened to be in my state for some reason so we met up, then at OLF I met nhandler.   Outside of those two meetups, I've never met another DD.
[22:27] <slangasek> DAM requirement for pseudonymous DDs is that the DAM has your real name on file
[22:28] <slangasek> no burning the project and burning your pseudonym with it ;)
[22:29] <Unit193> Pretty sure I wouldn't want to, I use it everywhere.
[22:31] <slangasek> like any good foreign agent would
[22:32] <Unit193> paultag already explained that if I was a gov agent, I'd have a bullet proof identity. ;)
[22:33] <slangasek> of course! because government agents know that anything less is insufficient for infiltrating Debian
[22:34] <Unit193> Only reason I'd hesitate about letting DAM know is that I know how much my name is worth to me, it's pretty worthless to them so "letting it slip" hardly matters.
[22:54] <Unit193> slangasek: Thanks for the discussion.
[22:54] <slangasek> :)
[23:05] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Catching up on backlog from above, I remember the term "warez" coming up when I was in either elementary or middle school in one of those "hip" 90s infomercials the guidance counselors showed us about the "dangers of the internet" and the "takeaway" was "don't talk to strangers online because they're automatically pedophiles and rapists"
[23:05] <tsimonq2> I really hated those :/
[23:06] <tsimonq2> Anyways, hi, back on topic :P
[23:07] <slangasek> I... what?
[23:07]  * teward is confused
[23:08] <tsimonq2> Warez, you guys were talking about warez, and I had flashbacks to the horrible videos they showed in middle school :P
[23:08]  * tsimonq2 knows that probably came out jumbled ;P
[23:08] <sarnold> did they subject you to this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI
[23:08] <cjwatson> Unit193: how much my name is worth> aha, got it, you're an occult magician and names are power :-)
[23:08] <slangasek> there were 90s videos about this?
[23:08] <cjwatson> awesome.
[23:08] <slangasek> cjwatson: ahaha
[23:08] <sarnold> cjwatson: lol
[23:08] <Unit193> cjwatson: Ahaha!  You made me chuckle, sir.
[23:09] <tsimonq2> sarnold: Actually they had one very similar but with CDs
[23:09] <tsimonq2> Not joking
[23:09] <cjwatson> (good, I was hoping that attempt at humour wouldn't misfire on people with different tastes in fiction)
[23:10] <Unit193> Doctor Who had an episode that contained that, X-Files too perhaps.
[23:10] <tsimonq2> Unit193: ahahahahaha
[23:10] <tsimonq2> slangasek: Oh yeah, these videos they showed us HAD to be made in the late 90s. CRT monitors, modems, the whole nine yards.
[23:11] <slangasek> sarnold: how did someone overlook including this video in Jake Gyllenhaal's imdb filmography?
[23:13] <sarnold> slangasek: perhaps the EU "right to be forgotten" played a role? :)
[23:13] <slangasek> sarnold: they claim it's not him but http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7772175/ but I know the truth