[00:00] neo is owner he can, what can group? [00:00] and who is relate to group? [00:01] it's bad exampel now I change permission [00:02] mutante: see this is better [00:02] drwxrw-r-x 2 neo neo 4096 Dec 4 23:22 new [00:03] it's owner, neo can rwx, ok [00:03] What can group??? Who is group (seems rw) [00:03] group can rw, others can rx [00:03] What can others (seems x)? But who is others? Others it's ... seems I guessed [00:04] adrian_1908: and see there exist user with test : test he is relate for others? [00:04] I don't understand [00:04] and there is still one user with kkk : neo he is relate to group? [00:05] adrian_1908: I mean how we determine who is relate to group and to others.. Neo is owner he can do this actions [00:05] rwx [00:06] Who is group that do this rw? and who is others ? [00:07] assume we have users, neo : neo, test : neo and kkk, kkk , Who can do and what if we have this permission on file [00:07] drwxrw-r-x 2 neo neo 4096 Dec 4 23:22 new [00:07] ??? [00:08] by "neo : neo", "test : neo" etc. do you mean "owner : group" ? [00:09] I think [00:09] neo : neo is owner he is able to rwx [00:09] test : neo is group he is able to rw [00:09] kkk : kkk is others he is able only x [00:09] adrian_1908: yes [00:09] adrian_1908: I right understood sense of permission? [00:10] If it is d rwx rw- r-x then owner can "rwx", group can "rw-" and others can "r-x" [00:10] and kkk in your example can "r-x" because it's not "--x". [00:10] adrian_1908: and see above I correctly determined permission for given users? [00:11] adrian_1908: yes you are right [00:11] Neo1: I would do 755 for directories, or even 750 if you don't need others. [00:12] group should have "r-x" or "rwx", not "rw-" because group needs "x" to view directory. [00:13] adrian_1908: no, I don't know, I remember when I use shared hosting for wp sites, I was able to isntall plugins and update wp and when I moved to VPS I couldn't update plugins it's asked password [00:13] hello all. I'm trying to install a package from a repo but unfortunately the signature provided is SHA1 and `apt-get update` fails with: `W: http://download.newrelic.com/infrastructure_agent/linux/apt/dists/xenial/InRelease: Signature by key A758B3FBCD43BE8D123A3476BB29EE038ECCE87C uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1)` [00:13] support said if you customize your server it will also work like was before [00:13] is there a way to ignore the signature? [00:14] adrian_1908: well, now more clearly [00:14] Neo1: Yes, 755 for dirs and 644 for files should work in many cases, if you don't want to do any experiments. [00:15] adrian_1908: its work, but directory read apache app, if it doesn't belong to group he cant do changes there only read and execute not write [00:16] I'm receiving an error when pulling a package list from a custom repo: "E: Unable to parse package file (1)". Is there a way for it to be more verbose, perhaps spit out what it was trying to do or what line it failed on? [00:16] adrian_1908: who is write plugin to my directory when I press button update, seems its apache [00:16] Neo1: Yes, probably Apache, or PHP. [00:18] adrian_1908: yes, and see if they don't belongs to group that belong file/folder owner they it means they are belonged to other and can only read and write (5) [00:18] johnnyfive: check the lists themselves under /var/lib/apt/lists/ [00:18] it's also doesn't help, help when I put 777 rights [00:19] Neo1: You could make a new group for that and give both neo and apache ownership [00:20] I replaced a program lmms with another version lmms-vst-full with apt-get. Now I try to run `lmms` but it says "bash: /usr/bin/lmms: No such file or directory". [00:20] Neo1: But I find this stuff difficult as well, I had lots of headaches with Apache/PHP/Wordpress, so I left all 3 behind. [00:21] adrian_1908: I've just understood how it work, before I always though others it's imaginable visitors of your site ))) [00:21] multifractal: what does `which lmms` say [00:21] adrian_1908: it doesn't return anything [00:21] Neo1: others is anyone who is not owner or group, all of them are on your server, others is not from "outside" :) [00:21] adrian_1908: yes it's not easy, but really customize server is interesting thing... [00:22] adrian_1908: yes, now I know it [00:23] I though Apache is always can reach my files because he is inside system.... [00:23] Neo1: Right. I prefer Nginx over Apache, it is easier to configure in my opinion, and very fast. [00:23] adrian_1908: I'm going to try it later as well [00:23] multifractal: run "hash -r" and then lmms you can also check the contents of lmms-vst-full with dpkg -L lmms-vst-full [00:23] Neo1: If you make ownership "neo : apache", and 775 and 664, that might work as well. [00:24] Neo1: (apache is probably called "www-data" or similar on ubuntu) [00:25] adrian_1908: see and we restrict access to our site only for determined users inside system, but how can 777 rights to be dangerous? Seems nothing inside isn't destroy something? [00:25] hi all, im trying to copmile a c++ program but getting an error from one of the header files because an "#ifdef NDEBUG" is evaluating true [00:26] Neo1: 777 is only dangerous if outside users can log in, right. But also, you don't want unknown processes on your system (other) to be able to write/execute your code. [00:26] or if we put 777 any app can change this file, But this can be possible if this app will do it deliberately? How you can install there some malicious app? [00:27] adrian_1908: the first line is the result of typing lmms followed by tab key https://paste.ubuntu.com/26115440/ [00:27] adrian_1908: ok, understood, of course better restrict access, but I think nothing bad if we put even 777. [00:28] multifractal: how about "which lmms" ? [00:28] Neo1: e.g. PHP might interpret URL, "file.php?do_action=something" and if you don't do safety checks, they might do malicous actions. [00:28] multifractal: did you run "hash -r" ? [00:28] I can't imagine situation when it can hurt my files, oh or see [00:29] adrian_1908: or see other users can also reach this file, just he logged in and can [00:29] akik: yeah hash -r didn't output anything either. [00:29] "which lmms" also outputs nothgin [00:30] ok passed this, difficult imagine... [00:30] multifractal: so why did you remove the lmms package? [00:30] adrian_1908: it's php backdoor [00:30] multifractal: the lmms-vst-full doesn't have the lmms binary [00:30] multifractal: Have you tried/considered a fresh reinstall, e.g. apt purge lmms … ? [00:31] akik: oh so i need both lmms and lmms-vst-full, and i run the program by typing "lmms"? [00:31] Well, if akik is right then there's your answer ;o [00:31] adrian_1908: yeah i already tried apt purge [00:31] adrian_1908: if there will eval function, I see this in bespoke site [00:32] Neo1: Yes. I'm not security expert either, but generally giving as little permission as possible is desirable. Unfortunately CMS often make this hard by their design. [00:33] adrian_1908: ok, will do as should be [00:34] Running a web-server from an unprivileged container is a good way to shut off a lot of potential escape exploits [00:34] !info lmms-vst-full xenial [00:34] Package lmms-vst-full does not exist in xenial [00:35] multifractal: do you have the kxstudio repositories installed? [00:35] !info lmms-vst-server [00:35] lmms-vst-server (source: lmms): Linux Multimedia Studio - VST server. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.3-7 (artful), package size 36 kB, installed size 179 kB === NickG365_ is now known as NickG365 [00:37] akik: I think apt installed it. But thanks. I now installed lmms and lmms-vst-full and everything's working OK -I'm able to play .dll VST plugins. [00:37] multifractal: which wine bridge do you use? [00:37] Sounds good. (no pun intended) [00:38] akik: I don't really know much about Wine, I just followed these instructions first http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/how-to-add-wine-repository-ubuntu [00:39] multifractal: i mean in lmms, how do you enable the dll plugin? [00:41] akik: Oh, there's an instrument called "VeSTige", which has a little file open dialogue which allows you to navigate to .dlls on disk. Remarkable! I've been using FL Studio on Win7 but I've been wanting to move my music life into Linux. It's the last thing I still use Win for. Looks like LMMS uses a lot of design cues from FL, so that's convenient. [00:41] multifractal: i'm using ardour with carla rack plugin but it has some issues [00:43] multifractal: it doesn't remember the vst dll that i loaded into it [00:45] akik: Cool. I'll investigate that too. That bug sounds annoying. The next challenge will be to see how it copes with sophisticated VSTs like my drum program BFD, and my 8in8out USB interface. It already happily detected my Akai MPK49 midi keyboard/controller. [01:11] Hi all. I'm not sure if this is appropriate for this channel, but figgured I'd ask anyway... Clonezilla... I want to clone a 64GB partition (My OS partition (on a 500gbdisk)) to a 128GB SSD... clonezilla keeps complaining that the destination disk is too small. How do I put a partiton from a large disk onto a smaller disk (but bigger than the partiton being cloned)? [01:11] Did that makes sense? [01:12] TJ-, Thanks, that led me down the correct path (weird packages error) [01:13] I started by cloning just the partitions (a 100mb boot and the 64gb OS), not the whole drive [01:13] Whitor: DD? [01:14] PTNapivoski, that might work, but I'm not as comfortable with it as I am with clonezilla. [01:15] anyone here familiar with power settings? when i set "Put computer to sleep when inactive for:" in the control center, which process is responsible for putting the computer to sleep? [01:15] But I'm willing to give it a shot... I'm looking to put sda1 and sda2 onto sdb1 and sdb2 ..... but I need the partition table created the same [01:15] Whitor: if the source is a partition of 64GB, is there a 64GB partition for it (or free space) on the destination? [01:16] TJ-, yes, the source is 64gb, and the destiantion is 180gb [01:17] but the source is part of a larger drive... which I didn't think would matter, but clonezilla seems to get upset about it [01:17] Whitor: how can you have a 180GB partition on a 128MB SSD? [01:18] TJ-, It is a 180GB SSD the 128 was a typo [01:18] regardless... the source partition is 64gb [01:18] Whitor: OK, so is the SSD currently unpartitioned? [01:19] Whitor: i don't use clonezilla but I wonder if it requires a partition on the destination to write into, rather than creating one itself. [01:19] TJ-, it has a partiton table, but it can (and probably should be) overwritten with the source partition info [01:19] what are you trying to do? [01:20] if you want to copy sda to sdb just do: cat /dev/sda > /dev/sdb [01:20] and then partprobe /dev/sdb [01:21] I have a 64gb partiton on a 500gb drive... I want to put this partition on a 180GB disk [01:21] in a nutshell... [01:21] Whitor: I'm reading in Clonezilla tips: "Clonezilla is unable to create a partition to restore an image. If you deleted the target partition or are installing on an empty disk, create the partition before restoring an image" [01:22] just use cat [01:22] BLZbubba, I think I like your angle here [01:22] create a partition on the 180gb drive that is = or > than the source partition [01:22] done [01:23] and then e.g. cat /dev/sda11 > /dev/sdb44 (replace 11 and 44 with the appropriate partition numbers) [01:23] make a backup first of course [01:23] got it [01:23] unless you are feeling lucky [01:23] if you want to monitor progress, install pv [01:23] e.g.: cat /dev/sda11 | pv > /dev/sdb44 [01:23] pipe it throug pv [01:23] ya the pipe viewer [01:23] got it [01:24] or you can use dd status=progress ... [01:24] it just prints bandwidth and bytes copied to stderr so you can see what's up [01:24] ya dd is good too [01:24] dd is basically the same thing with different syntax, no? [01:25] I'm good with either [01:25] dd has many more options [01:25] I prefer 'dd' since I can set the internal buffer size optimal for the devices. Usually I set something like "bs=200M" [01:25] depends how OCD you are :D [01:26] what kind of ssds are you using, just curious [01:26] rather than creating the partition structure first on the destination... can I creat it on the fly so it is sized exaclty the same as the original? [01:26] intel ssd [01:27] which one [01:27] 6gb/s ... one of my users needed a bigger hd for his laptop... so I get his old one :) [01:27] Whitor: no, you'd need to create the partition table on the destination first [01:28] I'll have to go look... its in my office [01:28] TJ-, thats what I like about clonezilla... it creates the partitions exaclty the same... [01:29] Whitor: you can only get away with it if you're doing sda1, and then you'd have some cleanup to do, so just create the same sized partition [01:30] its a windows os on the drive, so there is a stupid 100mb boot partition in front of the 64gb main partition [01:31] nothing wrong with that [01:31] if you ever want to boot from it maybe it would be good to copy it too... why not [01:32] so then something like: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=1048576 count=71680 [01:32] that is ~70GB, just to be safe [01:33] and then check the sdb partition table when it's done, e.g. nuke extra partitions and/or fix the secondary gpt header [01:34] did i mention that you probably want to back up the original first just in case? [01:35] For a copy operation? why do 2 copies? [01:36] paranoia === Amm0n| is now known as Amm0n [01:37] the ssd can be nuked, and the original has been cloned to an image already [01:37] Whitor: you say you're moving a Windows OS install to a different device? I'm not sure if Windows still has this limitation, but in te past the bootloader side was tied to the originally installed storage-device controller and storage device. So, ensure you fully test the target can boot/shutdown cleanly before deleting the original OS from the 500GB drive [01:39] Greetings. 17.10 with network-manager-openconnect-gnome seems to be completely ignoring the manual DNS server settings I input. After connecting to the VPN and running `nmcli device show vpn0` shows no entries for IPV4.DNS [01:39] TJ-, thanks for the concern. I do have an image of the original that won't get deleted until we are back up and stable. I'm familiar with re-registering a disk with windows and rebuilding the mbr [01:39] BLZbubba: sorry how is that 70G [01:40] I was just being lazy and wanted clonezilla to do the partitioning for me. [01:40] is my math off, it was supposed to be 70,000 MB [01:40] or so [01:40] i'll just fdisk /dev/sda and then -p and write it down exaclty [01:40] maybe a GB/MB/GiB/MiB mismatch or two [01:41] BLZbubba: no it's exact, MiB [01:42] there is a first time for everything :D [01:43] calc "(1048576*71680)/8" [01:43] I'm trying to livecd my friend's computer, and I keep getting a blank screen w/ blinking line, could this have to do with his nvidia SLI setup? [01:43] Whitor: one thing to watch out for, if you're copying sector offsets for the partitions. Ensure that the logical sector sizes are the SAME on both devices. If one device has larger than 512-byte logical sectors it'll throw things out [01:43] 9395240960 [01:44] 9395240960 BYTES [01:44] TJ-, yet another reason why I like tools like clonezilla [01:44] ponyride1: it's using 1 MiB blocks and 71680 is equal to 70 GiB [01:44] Whitor: well, use it then... just read the docs first, or experiment. It's jsut that we don't use it so can't really help with the issue with CZ you reported [01:45] No you didnt specify 'm' on the end [01:46] rather... 'M' for Mib [01:46] ponyride1: the big value is bytes [01:46] I'm trying to livecd my friend's computer, and I keep getting a blank screen w/ blinking line, could this have to do with his nvidia SLI setup? [01:46] ponyride1: bs=1048576 <- bytes [01:47] i see [01:47] I'll just create the partition table manually... I just want to dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdb1 then sda2 -> sdb2 [01:48] I don't know what bs=1048576 count=71680 is [01:48] byte sectors I'm guessing [01:49] Whitor: it's 70 GiB [01:49] Whitor: 71,680 blocks of size 1048576 bytes [01:50] thanks for the ideas! dd (or even cat) is much sexier than clonezilla. [01:52] I think you can use bs=1M... [01:52] do I have to define 'bs' at all? [01:53] Whitor: I think the default value is 512... [01:53] Whitor: as I said earlier, the larger the value of bs the faster and more efficient the transfer will be. [01:53] TJ-, I see... so it's not a make it or break it thing... [01:53] Whitor: for large transfers I useually set it it to a large fraction of available RAM, e.g. 150M up to 2G [01:54] Whitor: 'bs' controls the size of the RAM buffers being used to 'suck' the data in a continuous read operation from the source, and then 'blow' it back out in a continuous write operation to the target [01:55] now you are talking dirty [01:55] Whitor: with default 512 bytes it'll take maybe 100 times as long as 150M for example [01:55] no, it's like a vacuum cleaner [01:57] Whitor: it's especially helpful when doing a read of the source and destination to generate a hash to ensure data transferred without corruption [01:58] TJ-, what tool would I use to make a hash of a partition? [01:58] being lazy here... I'm sure I cold google that [01:58] Whitor: I use something like "dd if=/dev/sda bs=200M status=progress | sha256sum [02:00] hello all. I'm trying to install a package from a repo but unfortunately the signature provided is SHA1 and `apt-get update` fails with: `W: http://download.newrelic.com/infrastructure_agent/linux/apt/dists/xenial/InRelease: Signature by key A758B3FBCD43BE8D123A3476BB29EE038ECCE87C uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1)` [02:00] is there a way to ignore the signature? [02:00] How about I just use DD and Pray? ... then let windows clean itself up with a chkdsk? [02:01] Whitor: if you can afford for there to be random errors in any files in the target [02:01] Whitor: these are things chkdsk may not/cannot find. [02:01] thanks again TJ- , BLZbubba, PTNapivoski, [02:02] dG___: Does it fail, or just warn? [02:02] Whitor: You are wellcome... [02:02] TJ-: gsil [02:02] dG___: I think the "W" prefix is a warning only [02:02] *fail [02:02] it fails when I do `apt-get update` [02:02] and can't install a package from that repo [02:05] dG___: you may be able to use the option Acquire::AllowDowngradeToInsecureRepositories=1 [02:05] dG___: as in "apt-get -o Acquire::AllowDowngradeToInsecureRepositories=1 ..." [02:05] can that be set via argument with apt-get? [02:05] perfecto [02:05] let me try [02:07] nope :/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/26115812/ [02:14] it is a warning, it looks like. but it fail to include that repo, consequently not allowing me to install the package [02:16] dG___: I've tested it here and the package lists are fetched; can see it in /var/lib/apt/lists/ [02:17] dG___: and I see the package with "apt-cache show newrelic-infra" too [02:18] ah, got it ! thank you [02:18] yeah, I assumed that, because it still warned about the signature the install would fail as well [02:18] but I did try installing and it did work [02:18] thank you TJ- [02:36] hey all, I've got a SAMBA share on LibreElec. I can access it easily with a Windows machine (just "\\ip.address\") but can't seem to access it from my Lubuntu machines, how can I do this? [02:58] ca_cabotage: i'd start with smbclient to make sure it works [02:59] and once you're confident, start playing with cifs & fstab [03:01] e.g. try smbclient -L //ipaddress/ [03:01] (-U and/or -W as needed) and see if your shares show up === Mrokii_ is now known as Mrokii === r0Oter is now known as r00ter [03:25] How do I preseed ssid and psk? [03:33] Is there some hidden conf file for Network Manager? I'm trying to use the autoconnect-priority field to make my on board 1000mbit connection the default, and the 100mbit USB connection as a secondary (to be configured for my QEMU VM's). No matter what I do, I can't seem to get the default for the host to stop being the default connection... [03:49] jgould: https://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/Networking [03:53] alkisg: you there? [03:53] The whole idea behind this is because when I enable networking on my guests, I loose networking on the hosts... Also, what happened to the days of eth0, eth1, etc? LOL [03:55] The stranger thing is that I was able to boot into a live disk of Fedora 27 (it's what I had on hand... *shrug*) and use the autoconnect-priority field to change which network was the default.. For some reason Xubuntu isn't listening to my config files [03:58] Does anyone know the mechanics of how openconnect and network-manager work together with systemd-resolved? [03:59] For instance, if I set specific DNS servers on a VPN connection, should they not override whatever was set by the local DHCP server? [03:59] (whilst connected to vpn0 of course) [04:14] ponyrider: do you know alkisg? [04:14] blakehschwartz75: no [04:15] ok, thanks [04:20] any systemd-resolved people online? [04:20] err, any systemd-resolved knowledgeable people online? [04:20] anybody here that can help me move my home directory? [04:21] blakehschwartz75, I can help with that [04:21] I re-installed ubuntu 17.10 on a system that already had partitions. old installation got borked [04:21] blakehschwartz75, so you need to copy the files from the old home directory? [04:22] someone by the nick alkisg helped me recover the partitions, but unfortunately I forgot the user name I had mounted it under [04:23] rfleming: I'm not exactly sure what the issue is, but I know that the previous /home partition I had is still there [04:23] blakehschwartz75, you can use lsblk to see what's mounted where [04:23] rfleming, cross posting like a champ [04:23] rfleming: just a sec [04:23] daMaestro, reddit taught me well :P [04:24] rfleming, sigh. [04:24] rfleming: https://paste.ubuntu.com/26116346/ [04:25] blakehschwartz75, is your home on a secondary disk? [04:25] rfleming, `sudo netstat -plan|grep :53` [04:26] rfleming, first thing is to find out what is listening locally [04:26] The issue now is, in file explorer all my directories are empty. But if I go to 'other locations' and select another disk, I can go to that home directory and my other user is there (with the home directory I want) [04:27] daMaestro, let me pastebin it. [04:27] rfleming: no, I just have the one disk but it's on a partition [04:28] daMaestro, http://paste.ubuntu.com/26116357/ shows dnsmasq and systemd-resolv [04:28] blakehschwartz75: if you just add an entry in your fstab you should be good to go [04:28] So basically, when I re-installed I made a new user. The home directory I want mounted as mine is also under /home [04:29] rfleming, are you specifically wanting to run dnsmasq? [04:29] daMaestro, I have no special need... [04:29] ... it came pre-installed :) [04:30] ponyrider: there's curently an entry in /etc/fstab for the home directory [04:30] rfleming, uninstall it and reboot. (okay if you don't want to reboot there are other ways, but it's easiest) [04:30] daMaestro, give me a second. I've read something about a b0rked resolv.conf [04:31] let me check that first [04:31] ponyrider: currently I have this: ls /home/ blake/ bschwartz757/ guest/ lost+found/ [04:31] rfleming, the resolve.conf matters less than your results from `systemd-resolve --status` [04:31] rfleming, effective config is showing that dnsmasq handles your queries [04:32] When I log in, I'm user 'blake'. The stuff I want under home is under bschwartz757 [04:32] rfleming, unless you really need it, i'd remove it as things like injected dns from an openconnect session might not work [04:32] daMaestro, hehe, you don't say :) [04:32] ok... give me 2 shakes of a lambs tail [04:32] rfleming, just trying to help you determine the difference between my working system as you'd expect it and yours ;-) [04:33] blakehschwartz75: look at: usermod -d [04:33] daMaestro, I'm just going to disable the service first. [04:33] ponyrider: ah ok thanks [04:33] blakehschwartz75: and read up on what the '-m' flag can do [04:33] rfleming, sure, disable is fine. but just reboot [04:34] brb [04:34] rfleming, it makes sure any diag you've done so far is removed [04:34] ponyrider: thanks [04:35] ponyrider: the last person that helped me said I'd need to create a guest user, login as that user, and then move the home directory. Is that necessary? [04:37] daMaestro, okie dokie... dnsmasq is disabled, resolv.conf shows 127.0.0.53 now [04:37] doesn't change [04:37] (on vpn connect) [04:40] ponyrider: so it would be something like 'sudo usermod -d -m bschwartz757'? [04:48] yo, anybody there? [04:49] fleming, well that is still a local resolver [04:49] alkisg: [04:49] or ponyrider: [04:50] * jgould bashes his head against a wall [04:50] jgould: sorry [04:53] Would someone pastebin their unmodified /etc/systemd/resolved.conf file please? [04:53] (for Ubuntu 17.10) [04:55] rfleming: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26116450/ [04:56] rfleming: that's straight from a fresh install [04:57] ducasse, thanks [04:57] I must have fudged mine. I actually have DNS and FallbackDNS settings [04:59] anybody still here that can answer questions on usermod? [05:00] blakehschwartz75, renaming your user account? [05:01] blakehschwartz75, or just renaming the home folder? [05:01] rfleming: I don't think I need to rename it, just change which directory the /home references [05:01] currently I have this: ls /home/ blake/ bschwartz757/ guest/ lost+found/ [05:02] blakehschwartz75, change the username, it's simpler [05:02] The stuff I want under home is under /home/bschwartz757, but currently when I log in I'm /blake [05:02] ok how would I do that? [05:02] sudo usermod -l bschwartz757 blake [05:03] ok... will that change the folder it references too? [05:04] i.e., under File Explorer I want my /bschwartz757 documents, pics etc to show up [05:04] blakehschwartz75, no, but you can then just edit /etc/passwd and change the name [05:04] ok... what's that look like? [05:05] blakehschwartz75, give me a sec [05:05] currently I have an entry for /home/blake under /etc/passwd, but not for /home/bschwartz757 [05:05] rfleming: no prob [05:06] blakehschwartz75, What version of ubuntu you using? 16.04? [05:06] I was on 16.04, but now on 17.10 [05:07] blakehschwartz75: [05:08] ponyrider: yes? [05:08] blakehschwartz75: you were asking? [05:08] blakehschwartz75, OK: usermod --home /home/bschwartz757 blake [05:08] that'll change the home folder, without changing the username [05:09] rfleming: and then do I still need to change /etc/passwd? [05:09] if you want to change the username use usermod -l blake bschwartz757 [05:09] blakehschwartz75, no [05:09] if you want to change the group groupmod -n bschwartz757 blake [05:10] rfleming: ok. I don't really care about the username [05:10] rfleming: do I need to change group in order to keep the correct permissions on everything? [05:11] blakehschwartz75, as long as the group numbers match, it'll be OK [05:11] rfleming: ok thanks [05:11] np [05:20] hey - trying to use 'usermod -d -m /home/ olduser' and it's not working - seems that i maybe have the flags in the wrong order? man page for usermod says -m should be used in conjunction with -d, but nothing about order [05:21] the -d takes the HOME_DIR [05:22] blakehschwartz75: ^ [05:23] ah [05:24] so it would be 'usermod -m /home/ -m olduser'? [05:24] ponyrider: [05:24] usermod -d HOME_DIR -m USER [05:24] er, sorry. so it would be 'usermod -m /home/ -d olduser'? [05:25] ok gotcha [05:26] ponyrider: that must be what alkisg meant. he said I need to be logged in as another user. When I tried the command it said 'usermod: user blake is currently used by process 1148' [05:27] blakehschwartz75: can you really *LOOK* at the command i typed [05:27] the -d takes the HOME_DIR!! [05:33] ponyrider: yes, I did look at the command. I tried 'sudo usermod -d /home/bschwartz757 -m blake' and 'sudo usermod -d blake -m /home/bschwartz757'. You don't need to start throwing insults === gentoo is now known as opal [05:41] anyone online that can help with moving a home dir? [06:00] Hey, anybody on that can help with moving a home dir? [06:03] blakehschwartz75: easier wat han the other suggestion- create a third user with sudo rights, log in as that and do the moving from there [06:04] *way [06:06] ducasse: ok I can try that. although, when I tried that before I was getting an error related to the guest account not being in sudoers (although I had added them with admin privileges and a password.) I tried adding them to sudoers (using 'sudo usermod -a -G ...') and that didn't work either [06:07] don't use the guest account, create an actual user account with sudo privilees [06:07] ducasse: as far as moving the home dir, if the user I'm logged in as is /home/blake but I want to have /home/bschwartz757 as my home dir, would the usermod command be 'sudo usermod -d /home/bschwartz757/ -m blake'? or is that backwards? [06:08] ducasse: that's what I meant - I created a guest account (figured it didn't matter if I called it 'guest') with admin privileges [06:09] ducasse: added the user according to instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/user-add.html [06:10] i'm not entirely sure if 'guest' is a reserved name or not,tbh [06:10] oh gotcha [06:10] now, is there a way to just create the other user and switch to that user within a terminal session? like without logging out and back in? [06:11] seems like I have seen that before [06:12] ducasse: I knew I had seen that. I'll give it a try [06:12] the point is that you want to exit all processes running as the users you want to rename/move [06:14] ducasse: ok. So I created another user using 'adduser', gave them sudo access, and switched to them. That should be sufficient? [06:15] as long as you logged out completely from the other user(s) [06:16] but as far as the usermod command, if the directory that's currently popping up as my home directory is '/home/blake/' but I want it to use '/home/bschwartz757/' then I would use 'sudo usermod -d /home/bschwartz757/ -m blake', correct? [06:19] sounds good after a brief look at the man page, i'd do it in the old, more complicated way :) [06:21] ducasse: ok thanks a lot for your help. Any ideas on how to check if the other user is logged out fully? [06:22] if you pressed 'log out', it is. or should be. you'll get a message if it isn't. [06:23] blakehschwartz75: "who' to see who all is logged in and where . [06:24] Bashing-om: yeah looks like that should work === Elimin8r is now known as Elimin8er [06:33] Good morning all :) [06:34] aye, our heavy hitter alkisg is up to bat :) [06:35] Haha :D [06:35] hiya alkisg - good morning to you! [06:36] coffee and biscuits in -discuss as usual :) [06:55] I have no idea how to use IRC. I'm new [06:55] lol [06:56] !support | tzcrawford [06:56] tzcrawford: The official ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu. Also see http://ubuntu.com/support and http://ubuntuforums.org and http://askubuntu.com [07:02] Hi guys, I have huge problem. After update from 13.04 to 13.10, I have old ubuntu GUI, and new one GNOME. On old gui my keyboard and mouse aren't working, but when I try to share screen(on every app, web based or skype) I can't, cause screen is all black.. Can you help me with either of these problems [07:04] hey [07:05] any luck with itunes running? [07:05] !13.10 | manornk [07:05] manornk: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander) was the 19th release of Ubuntu. Support ended on July 17th, 2014. See !eol, !upgrade and https://ubottu.com/y/saucy [07:06] manornk: clean install is recommended [07:06] Sorry, not 13, but 17.04 to 17.10, my mistake, I am tired, been trying to solve problem for hours [07:07]