[05:17] <Unit193> bluesabre: So, I guess that wouldn't be tonight then. :P
[06:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: ha ha 
[06:23] <Unit193> Oh right, flocculant!
[06:23] <Unit193> Boop.
[06:23] <flocculant> yea that's fine - go for it :)
[06:25] <Unit193> Done!
[06:36] <flocculant> k
[06:36] <flocculant> back later
[06:36] <Unit193> Byebyebyebye.
[08:38] <slickymasterWork> knome, I already have a brief description of Atril, Engrampa and Mate Calculator to the -docs
[08:38] <slickymasterWork> will push them to the branch tonight or tomorrow
[09:27] <knome> slickymasterWork, you can't push to my branch though
[09:29] <slickymasterWork> no, to yours I can't :P
[09:29] <slickymasterWork> what we can do is you push yours into main and afterwards I'll push the descriptions
[09:29] <knome> bluesabre, are the mate apps in our seed already?
[09:29] <slickymasterWork> what do you think?
[09:29] <knome> or you just create a new branch based on mine
[09:30] <knome> eg. pull it, then push to your personal repo
[09:30] <slickymasterWork> or that, :P
[09:30] <slickymasterWork> if bluesabre haven't seeded them yet, I'll go that way
[09:30] <knome> my branch is a trivial change anyway
[09:31] <slickymasterWork> hm hm
[09:31] <knome> so i don't even care if i have a commit or chbgelog entry for that
[09:31] <knome> changelog
[09:31] <knome> sigh at phone kb
[09:31] <slickymasterWork> yeps
[09:33] <knome> bbabl
[12:26] <bluesabre> knome, yup, been there since about 2 days after we agreed on them
[12:30] <slickymasterWork> thanks for the heads up, bluesabre 
[12:31] <slickymasterWork> knome, I'll be pushing the descriptions to the main branch then
[12:34] <bluesabre> (feel free to take the bionic daily for a spin and report bugs) :-)
[12:35] <slickymasterWork> been doing that for a few weeks now, bluesabre 
[12:35] <slickymasterWork> even with the PPAs
[12:35] <slickymasterWork> this week is core time though 
[12:36] <bluesabre> slickymasterWork: very nice :)
[12:36] <slickymasterWork> :P
[12:46] <slickymasterWork> Unit193, both in VMware
[12:46] <slickymasterWork> 17.10 installed fine
[12:47] <slickymasterWork> 18.04 crashed immediately after copying the initial files 
[12:47] <slickymasterWork> no crash log detected to paste you
[12:48] <slickymasterWork> will install both tonight in my Asus Eee PC
[15:09] <slickymasterWork> Unit193, managed to get a print screen just before 18.04 crashed
[15:09] <slickymasterWork> https://imgur.com/a/id9Ze
[17:46] <flocculant> evening 
[17:48] <slickymasterWork> evening flocculant 
[17:49] <flocculant> hi slickymasterWork 
[17:51] <flocculant> ochosi: notifications doesn't appear to be logging tbird currently, was fine this morning
[17:53] <flocculant> ochosi: funnily enough - 2 of the mails it's not logging are from the error tracker about xfce4-notifyd :P
[17:54] <slickymasterWork> lol don't deal properly with self, flocculant 
[19:41] <ochosi> flocculant: what do you mean by "not logging tbird"? did you update notifyd since this morning..?
[19:41] <flocculant> ochosi: just in time :p
[19:41] <flocculant> was just about to say more lol
[19:42] <flocculant> tbird notifications look very hit and miss - some get notified, some don't - maybe filters in tbird affect it 
[19:43] <flocculant> and no I turned pc off at ~06:40
[19:43] <ochosi> that's weird
[19:43] <ochosi> so you log all of them and some appear but are not in the log..?
[19:45] <flocculant> ochosi: yea
[19:45] <flocculant> but 
[19:46] <flocculant> don't know if this is something it would 'always or normally' do - I'm just looking at it cos you asked
[19:52] <knome> bluesabre, slickymaster: ack
[20:11] <ochosi> flocculant: very strange. what types of notifications are those then that don't get logged?
[20:11] <ochosi> just fyi, so-called "transient" notifications don't ever get logged
[20:11] <ochosi> that's part of the notification standard
[20:11] <ochosi> so possibly some tbird notifications are marked as transient
[20:11] <ochosi> (like e.g. audio-volume notifications or brightness-change notifications in xfpm 1.6.1)
[20:42] <flocculant> ochosi: ok - perhaps that's what it is then
[20:57] <flocculant> ochosi: mmm - just had the notify icon change to tell me of track changes in clementine, I turned clementine off about 45 minutes ago
[21:04] <flocculant> catch comments tomorrow - night all
[21:07] <Unit193> slickymaster: Oh right, should say thanks!  Bionic isn't as much of a worry right now, though that's a be disturbing.
[21:16] <ochosi> Unit193: any blockers to get xkb-plugin 0.8.x in bionic?
[21:16] <ochosi> that's one of the things i noticed that we're missing
[21:17] <Unit193> It was in a PPA somewhere I think.
[21:17] <ochosi> it has quite a few nice improvements over the fairly old and busted 0.7.1
[21:17] <ochosi> (i know 0.7.1 is not *that* old ;))
[21:18] <ochosi> could also start with it in the staging PPA
[21:18] <Unit193> ~/Downloads/xfce4-gtk3/xfce4-xkb-plugin-0.8.1 see?  Is it in a PPA somewhere?
[21:18] <ochosi> not that i know of
[21:18] <ochosi> i think we just overlooked it
[21:18] <Unit193> Was in xfce4-gtk3.
[21:18] <ochosi> (so far)
[21:18] <ochosi> ah ok
[21:19] <Unit193> No, because I have it, packaged.
[21:19] <ochosi> :)
[21:19] <ochosi> we == everyone but Unit193 
[21:19] <Unit193> Dowh. :(
[21:19] <ochosi> in the list of packages to get into bionic we overlooked it
[21:19] <Unit193> Aha.
[21:19] <ochosi> i had forgotten about it and nobody else mentioned i
[21:19] <ochosi> t
[21:20] <Unit193> Well, it seems to have fallen out when we moved from xfce4-gtk3 to experimental.
[21:23] <ochosi> anything else we're missing from there that's a potential candidate?
[21:26] <Unit193> Want to know our delta to Debian (vcs) if I upload xkb? :P
[21:27] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/PTajaBLuv168daE2P33d/ :P
[21:29] <Unit193> ochosi: I'm not seeing anything other than perhaps whisker and pa-pl need bumped.
[21:32] <Unit193> ochosi: I'm looking at https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/xfce412.html though.
[21:33] <ochosi> heh, nice diff
[21:36] <ochosi> wow, debian has xfce4-settings 4.13.1?
[21:36] <ochosi> fwiw, screenshooter seems fine it its gtk3 version
[21:36] <ochosi> no differences that are noticeable
[21:37] <Unit193> 1. Experimental, remember that polls experimental.  2. screenshooter is "stable", but depends on development libs so is in limbo (and a bit crappy too, but meh.)
[21:38] <Unit193> ...Wait, did I just say that with my Debian hat on? :3
[21:41] <ochosi> :)
[21:41] <ochosi> depends on devel libs?
[21:42] <ninetls> bluesabre: I know this is not a good place to make such requests but I'll ask anyway
[21:43] <ninetls> irrc you are developing lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings, isn't it?
[21:44] <ninetls> I noticed that it supports to be plugged in xfce4-settings window
[21:44] <ninetls> but it doesn't work since X-XfcePluggable=true is not set in lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings.desktop
[21:45] <ninetls> I know that this configuration tool is not related to xfce but it contains code to support xfce4-settings plug!
[21:45] <ninetls> how about enabling it?
[21:52] <ninetls> ochosi: he probably means that libexo-2 is only available in exo 0.11.x which is development release
[21:52] <ochosi> ah ok
[21:53] <ninetls> but being development release it's the only version that supports gtk3
[21:53] <ninetls> 0.10.x provided libexo-1 only with gtk2 dependency
[21:54] <ochosi> i think that lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings *is* pluggable
[21:54] <ochosi> at least it is here
[21:54] <ninetls> probably ubuntu patch
[21:54] <ninetls> but not in upstream
[21:54] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/xihaT77.png
[21:55] <ochosi> ubuntu is pretty upstreamish for greeter-settings
[21:55] <Unit193> export PYBUILD_INSTALL_ARGS=--xfce-integration
[21:55] <Unit193> No patches.
[21:55] <ninetls> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-gtk-greeter-team/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings/trunk/view/head:/lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings.desktop.in
[21:55] <ninetls> oh
[21:56] <ninetls> there is an arg
[21:57] <ninetls> seems that arch maintainers don't know about it