[04:02] <Bashing-om> That's all folks
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:37] <ducasse> good morning, everyone!
[06:38] <alkisg> Good morning ducasse, hi all
[06:39] <ducasse> hi alkisg, any traffic in #u yet?
[06:39] <alkisg> Nah, people are still sleeping :D
[06:40] <ducasse> strictly speaking, so am i ;)
[06:41] <ducasse> just logging on out of old habit - don't expect me to make much sense forr another ~30 minutes :)
[06:51]  * alkisg made a nice coffee to take at work... and forgot it at home :/
[06:51] <alkisg> Oh well coffee shops need to make a living too :)
[06:55] <ducasse> i don't drink coffee, so i just bought a capsule-based machine for when i have guests. it also makes good hot chocolate and chai latte :)
[07:05] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> morning alkisg ducasse lordievader
[07:16] <alkisg>  /o lotuspsychje
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> that 1TB from yesterday is dead
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> nautilus doesnt popup on it externally
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> https://hastebin.com/duwegahuki.sql
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> 13000 bad sectors on smart
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> just weird disk tools says drive is ok lol
[07:20] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[07:21] <lordievader> O.o 13000
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> perhaps disk tool doesnt know when its dead or not
[07:21] <lordievader> Even a few bad sectors is bad... but 13000. Wow.
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> its a large drive also lordievader
[07:21] <lordievader> No wonder it failed with almost each read/write.
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> weird brand HGST
[07:22] <lordievader> Bad sectors are a sign of a dying drive.
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> so it seems :p
[07:23] <lordievader> One usually leads to more. If you see one you should move the important data.
[07:23] <lordievader> HGST is a good brand. It used to by Hitachi.
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> plugged in another drive and ubuntu installed fine, in uefi mode
[07:23] <lordievader> Now owned by Western Digital.
[07:23] <lotuspsychje> now waiting for the customer choose what he does..
[07:27] <ducasse> morning, lotuspsychje + lordievader
[07:27] <ducasse> i bought only hgst disks for years, they were usually among the very best
[07:27] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[07:27] <lotuspsychje> hey
[07:27] <lordievader> How are you?
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> i always used seagates
[07:28] <lordievader> ducasse: They are, there is this hosting company which publishes their hard drive failure rates.
[07:28] <lordievader> Seagate is worst to HGST being the best.
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> well cant say, never used hgst myself
[07:29] <ducasse> lordievader: a bit confused after last nights er visit, but i'll be ok
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> and never had a seagate fail either
[07:29] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: yeah, stay away from seagates
[07:29] <lordievader> ducasse: Last nights visit?
[07:30] <lordievader> https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-stats-q1-2016/
[07:30] <ducasse> lordievader: yup, my usual doc ordered me to go to the er, but they didn't do much
[07:30] <lordievader> Bit older but has a nice graph of brand / failure.
[07:30] <lordievader> ducasse: What is going on?
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> nice link
[07:32] <ducasse> lordievader: loooong story, started with both my legs needing surgery. now seems to be compounded by some kind of kidney problem.. so what's going on? getting older ;)
[07:32] <lordievader> That sucks :(
[07:34] <ducasse> going to call my doc today and plead for some _real_ pain meds, the guy at the er just said to take more than the recommended max dose of paracetamol. to someone with a suspected kidney problem...
[07:36] <ducasse> doesn't sound smart to me, at least.
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> https://liliputing.com/2017/12/dell-also-sells-laptops-intel-management-engine-disabled.html
[07:39] <ducasse> \o/
[07:39] <ducasse> screw the me!
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> https://thishosting.rocks/ubuntu-18-04-new-features-release-date/
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> !32bit
[07:49] <lotuspsychje> !architecture
 !32bit is Ubuntu has dropped 32bit iso images from 17.10 and higher, 64bit iso's are availabe at http://www.ubuntu.com/downloads
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[07:57] <alkisg> Fortunately all flavors other than Ubuntu still ship them :D
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[07:58] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: the server image and at least certain flavors still ships 32-bit images
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> perhaps i should have mentioned ubuntu desktop?
[07:59] <alkisg> Or continue with "other flavors still ship 32bit images, see !lubuntu or !ubuntu-mate..." etc etc
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> well lets wait until dax awakes :p
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> alkisg: yeah nice idea
[07:59] <ducasse> oooh, i got a new toy yesterday!
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: oh, wich one?
[07:59] <lotuspsychje> librem5?
[08:00] <ducasse> an old imac - suggestions on what to do with it? :)
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> cool
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> put ubuntu on it lol
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: wich version have you got?
[08:01] <ducasse> i was thinking of setting up monitoring of everything else to display on the screen, plus use it for quick browsing + email now and then.
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> cool
[08:01] <ducasse> dunno, but it's an old c2d
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> retro monitor terminal cool
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> nice idea
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> but i would trust netscape anymore to browse :p
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> and FF57 might not like retro :p
[08:02] <ducasse> i'm not going to keep os x on it :)
[08:03] <lotuspsychje> cool
[08:04] <ducasse> either freebsd, arch or ubuntu - haven't decided yyet
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> arch i3 :p
[08:05] <ducasse> very likely :)
[08:06] <ducasse> except i want little maintenance on it, so maybe freebsd + i3 instead
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> ducasse: and network monitor from your network?
[08:07] <ducasse> got my old razer mechanical keyboard, which is decent enough for typing
[08:07] <ducasse> yes, zabbix or something
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> !info zabbix
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> or somethin terminal based for retro eyecandy :p
[08:08] <ducasse> !find zabbix
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> ah cool
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> and etherape dancing on screen :p
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> bath time ttyl guys
[08:23] <ducasse> alkisg: how do you like mate? i'm setting up a machine to donate to my neighbors so they can pay bills online etc, they're in their 70's. is it easy to get to grips with?
[08:23] <ducasse> lotuspsychje: ttyl
[08:24] <alkisg> ducasse: it's quite similar to the old gnome2 days, and students find it much easier to navigate to than gnome 3 or unity
[08:25] <alkisg> It might not be the edge of technology, but I prefer it to all other light ones like lxde, xfce etc, and I can use it in PCs where I can't use the heavier ones like Gnome/Unity
[08:39] <ducasse> alkisg: they've never had a computer, so they're not trained on windows or anything. i just want something light where i can place icons to the websites they need on the desktop, and set up unattended-upgrades for them. another important thing is that the translation into norwegian is 'good enough'
[08:41] <alkisg> ducasse: you can easily place icons to websites on the desktops, unattended are already preconfigured, and translations shouldn't be an issue
[08:43] <ducasse> perfect, thanks a lot. i'll try installing it, take it over to them and see what they think. I'm pretty sure gnome 3 would just confuse them...
[08:43] <alkisg> Mate-tweak also gives a lot of different options for the panel, e.g. up and down like it was in gnome2, or only down like in lubuntu, or with a start menu like in windows, etc
[08:44] <alkisg> After pushing gnome2 in schools for 5 years or so, we switched to mate, and I put it up to a vote. I was suprised in that they didn't want to default to the windows-like panel, they preferred the gnome2-like panels :)
[08:46] <ducasse> there you go, people _liked_ gnome 2 - they got it right. why they had to throw all of that out and create the mess they have now is beyond me.
[09:07] <lotuspsychje> i wonder what unity will become at 18.04
[09:08] <lotuspsychje> with the new dev plans..
[10:06] <ducasse> well, seems wayland works just fine on this old laptop :)
[10:46] <ducasse> alkisg: now running sway on wayland, works like a charm! only things that are buggy are copy/paste and systray icons (and i've got a potential fix for the latter)
[10:46] <alkisg> ducasse: nice! /me googles sway... :D
[10:47] <alkisg> I've heard that tiling window managers have benefits, but I never felt like I would need something like that... dunno
[10:47] <ducasse> swaywm.org
[10:50] <alkisg> E.g. to put 2 apps side-by-side, I just grab them from the title bars and put them to the sides of the screens, i.e. 2 clicks. And I also use "always on top" frequently, when I e.g. want to see something from a small window while working on a large window. And that about covers my tiling needs... :D
[10:53] <ducasse> on my desktop i use i3, mostly because it's the only thing out there that does sane handling of multiple screens. i have three monitors, and i3 handles them beautifully - just how i want it.
[10:53] <ducasse> sway is mostly a wayland 'port' of i3
[10:53] <ducasse> which is why i'm checking it out - better be prepared etc
[10:54] <alkisg> Preparation is indeed nice... which reminds me, I need to install 18.04 and check/report any grave issues ....
[10:54]  * alkisg waves, later!
[11:49] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:49] <ducasse> hi BluesKaj
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hey ducasse, how goes it?
[11:52] <ducasse> lying flat out on the sofa, half-way paying attention to irc
[11:52] <ducasse> currently running everything under sway on top of wayland :)
[11:53] <BluesKaj> how's wayland working out ?
[11:55] <ducasse> it's very clean and responsive, but as it's quirks. copy/paste not working reliably, menus showing up in odd places, only some systray icons work...
[11:56] <ducasse> *but has
[11:57] <ducasse> got an ugly hack workaround for the systray thing, but haven't tested it yet
[11:57] <BluesKaj> hmm, copy & paste are important, not quite ready for full use it seems
[12:01] <ducasse> no, it's really not.
[12:01] <BluesKaj> I'm gonna be in and out of irc this morning ...testing my various vpn servers for torrent peers and seeds. So far some are better than others depending on the torrent content.
[12:02] <ducasse> it works between wayland apps and between x11 apps aiui, but not from one to the other
[12:06] <ducasse> i'm nagging my doc today, trying to get some decent pain meds, my main doc is on vacation, and his temp is the 'just endure it' type...
[12:19] <ducasse> ...and there chromium went down and took sway with it :-/