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cyphermoxwho chairs?16:02
cyphermoxheh, I will16:03
cyphermox#startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team16:03
meetingologyMeeting started Thu Dec  7 16:03:15 2017 UTC.  The chair is cyphermox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.16:03
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cyphermox#topic Lightning rounds16:03
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cyphermoxecho $(shuf -e slangasek bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity cyphermox mwhudson rcj philroche Odd_Bloke tribaal fginther)16:03
cyphermoxtdaitx fginther xnox tribaal philroche mwhudson rcj bdmurray Odd_Bloke infinity rbalint cyphermox doko slangasek sil210016:03
sil2100Phew, win16:03
cyphermoxis tdaitx around at all?16:04
cyphermoxheh16:05
cyphermoxfginther:16:05
fginther(we'll come back if he shows)16:05
fginther* Fixing an issue causing duplicate image lists in the cloud images header16:05
fginther* Updated our manual publication documentation for a partner cloud16:05
fginther* Updated the naming pattern for the minimal images in our CI pipeline16:05
fginther* Fixed a path issue related to resolv.conf in a partner image16:05
fginther* Fixed a clock drift issue that was breaking publication to a partner cloud16:05
fginther* Reviewed Secure Boot on UEFI document16:05
fginther* Poked around on AWS's updated Cloud9 service16:05
fginther(done)16:05
fgintherTribaal, you're up16:05
cyphermoxxnox is on vacation16:05
Tribaal* Partner work, in particular GKE stuff.16:06
Tribaal* Prepared an SRU for the vagrant user changes into Xenial (LP:1569237)16:06
Tribaal* Some UEFI work and tests for partners16:06
Tribaal(done)16:06
philroche* AWS re:Invent last week16:06
gaugheno/16:06
philroche* Work on partner cloud image changes16:06
philroche(done)16:06
Odd_Blokercj:16:06
rcj* cloud-image build system care and feeding16:06
rcj* cloud-image partner meetings16:06
rcj* Added NVMe io_timeout tuning to AWS EC2 cloud images (16.04 and later) per http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/nvme-ebs-volumes.html#timeout-nvme-ebs-volumes16:06
rcj(done)16:06
Odd_Bloke* Finished work on boot speed metric gathering16:06
Odd_Bloke* Adding a metric to allow us to track Docker Hub image age16:07
Odd_Bloke* A variety of partner work16:07
Odd_Bloke(done)16:07
Odd_Blokerbalint:16:07
Odd_Bloke(No infinity in the channel.)16:07
cyphermoxyup16:07
cyphermoxinfinity is away too afaik16:07
rbalint(short week)16:07
rbalint* gce-compute-image-packages updates16:07
rbalint* livecd-rootfs fixes16:07
rbalint* internal testbed setup16:07
rbalint(done)16:07
cyphermoxcyphermox:16:08
cyphermox- netplan SRU validation16:08
cyphermox- investigate d-i crashes reported by powers.j (LP: #1736770)16:08
cyphermox- document UEFI SB design in wiki (wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot)16:08
cyphermox- shim review / harass Peter to approve our shim16:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1736770 in linux (Ubuntu) "debian-installer/main-menu changes priority" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173677016:08
cyphermox- quick review of NM DNS/search patch16:08
cyphermox- grub TSC bugfix for some new Intel systems (LP: #1734278)16:08
cyphermox- preparing SRU for TSC bugfix16:08
cyphermox- investigating grub/shim/maas bug in chainloading from MAAS.16:08
cyphermoxHIGHLIGHT: our shim is reviewed.16:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1734278 in grub2 (Ubuntu Xenial) "Grub2 cannot boot up when 8254 time function disable" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173427816:08
cyphermoxLOWLIGHT: we don't have the email to track that yet.16:08
cyphermox(done)16:08
cyphermoxdoko?16:08
doko- analyzed Python2 demotion from main, excluding OpenStack16:09
doko  - filed ~50 bug reports, 35 still open16:09
doko  - fixed the easy ones, worked on the seeds, pinged other teams16:09
doko  - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=py2-demotion16:09
doko- python 3.6.4rc1 release candidate, 3.7.0 alpha16:09
doko- gcc-7 update16:09
doko- archive maintenance, finished some open transitions16:09
doko- packaged icedtea 2.6.12 (OpenJDK 7)16:09
doko(done)16:09
cyphermoxno slangasek16:09
cyphermoxsil2100:16:09
sil2100uh oh16:09
sil2100- Regular SRU work16:10
sil2100- New kernel SRU cycle (CVE respin)16:10
sil2100- ubuntu-image:16:10
sil2100  * Pushing u-i 1.3 to devel and stable series16:10
sil2100  * Investigating absurd armhf ADT failure - it's magic16:10
sil2100  * Fighting with trying to run the bionic armhf envionment - nothing working, wasted time16:10
sil2100- Ripping out the deprecated Bileto -gles support16:10
sil2100- Looking into how Bileto handles britney16:10
sil2100- Preparing some test-image stuff for T-Systems16:10
sil2100- Updated uvp-monitor to 2.2.0.316, SRUed it to xenial and trusty16:10
sil2100(done)16:10
rcj* HIGHLIGHT: Added NVMe io_timeout tuning to AWS EC2 cloud images (16.04 and later) per http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/nvme-ebs-volumes.html#timeout-nvme-ebs-volumes16:10
sil2100(bad day today)16:10
rcj^ forgot to mark it before16:10
cyphermoxrcj: thanks!16:11
cyphermoxok, next up16:11
cyphermox#topic http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-aa-incoming-bug-tasks.html16:11
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cyphermoxwoops16:11
cyphermoxtdaitx: your lightning round?16:11
cyphermoxalright, no tdaitx after all16:13
cyphermoxBug review?16:13
cyphermoxare we quorate to do this?16:13
cyphermoxnothing new / changed in the Criticals/Highs16:15
cyphermoxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/172183916:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1721839 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Services asked for by UDEV do not get triggered" [High,Confirmed]16:16
cyphermoxwhat about this one?16:16
cyphermoxnobody is chiming up, let's punt to next week16:16
cyphermox#topic AOB16:17
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cyphermoxany other business?16:17
rbalint(HIGHLIGHT)i was working on Hibernation of spot agent in EC2 but i could not talk about it :-)16:18
cyphermoxrbalint: thanks!16:18
rbalint.. of spot instances ..16:18
cyphermoxthat's it then16:19
cyphermox#endmeeting16:19
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meetingologyMeeting ended Thu Dec  7 16:19:21 2017 UTC.16:19
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-12-07-16.03.moin.txt16:19
cyphermoxthanks everyone!16:19
Tribaalo/16:19
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elachecheflexiondotorg, elopio, ahoneybun, jose, marcoceppi, wxl: are you going to join the meeting? It's in 10 minutes.16:53
elopioI am.16:53
* Kilos lurks16:54
ahoneybunI'm around16:55
ahoneybunjust need a link to it16:55
elopiohello Kilos, feel free to participate too.16:55
elopioahoneybun: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-topics-community-council-meeting-20171207/257116:56
Kilosi have been quiet for many months elopio so ill try catch up16:56
ahoneybunthanks so -meetings16:57
elachecheSo, we start in 2min16:59
elacheche#startmeeting Community Council meeting: 2017120717:01
meetingologyMeeting started Thu Dec  7 17:01:17 2017 UTC.  The chair is elacheche. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.17:01
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elachecheHello everybody to the CC meeting.. Present CC members, please raise hands.. In meanwhile I'll share some links17:01
elachecheToday's agenda → https://community.ubuntu.com/t/call-for-topics-community-council-meeting-20171207/257117:02
elachecheLast meeting summary → https://community.ubuntu.com/t/community-council-meeting-20171116/134917:02
elopiohello, thanks elacheche for leading this one.17:02
elachecheWith pleasure17:04
elopioahoneybun: are you going to participate?17:05
elachecheeveryone around, please review  the 2 links, then we will proceed with reviewing progress from last meeting17:05
elopioit doesn't seem that we have quorum, but we can at least get the conversations started, and the rest can comment on the hub afterwards.17:05
elachecheelopio: afaik, the quorum is just for votes, we will not vote, we will discuss things, then move them to somewhere else for detailled discussion then vote later on hub or here in an other meeting17:06
elopiook17:06
elachecheBoth of us already read the links, let's wait an other 4min, before starting the discussion, maybe someone else is reviewing them :)17:07
elacheche#topic Update of the action items from the previous meeting17:11
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elachecheSo, let's talk about actions from last meeting17:11
elacheche#subtopic @popey and @elacheche to start a discussion about the wiki17:12
popeySorry, it's on my to-do but is a big topic so not had time to get to it.17:13
popeyBig as in, will need some research and thought before I post.17:13
* jose waves17:13
elachecheSo, I didn't talk to popey about that.. But, I was talking to some floks from my LoCo that are interested to join the talk, people like nzoueidi, nizarus, pavlushka, I think that Kilos will be interested to join the discussion as well17:13
popeyMaybe it's worth me starting the discussion and point at an etherpad doc or something so we can work on it together17:13
popeySure, I imagine quite a few people want to join in :)17:14
pavlushkao/17:14
elachechepopey: That's what I was about to suggest, just start the discussion somewhere (HUB or public ML), then we can invit people to join the brainstorming17:14
popeyok17:15
elopioI think we shouldn't hurry, because if we start with the wrong foot the discussion could be not productive at all. So, I'd say you two should take as long as needed, or wait until you have less tasks.17:15
elopiohello pavlushka17:15
pavlushkaHello elopio :)17:15
elopiojose: are you going to participate in this meeting?17:15
* pavlushka waves to popey 17:15
ahoneybunheyo folks17:15
joseyep going up the stairs to a chair and wifi17:16
elachechewelcome pavlushka ahoneybun jose :)17:16
pavlushkahey ahoneybun :)17:16
elachecheI agree with elopio.. popey can we discuss this in PM during the next 2 weeks, so we can come back with an action roadmap for the next Dec meeting?17:17
pavlushkaty elacheche17:17
popeySure17:17
ahoneybunheyo pavlushka and elacheche17:17
elachecheGreat.. So our next task is to create an action roadmap then share it during the next meeting.17:18
elopiothanks popey and elacheche17:18
elachecheAny other thoughts, ideas about this topic, or we can check the next one?17:18
joseyay here17:19
elachechejose: any comments? :)17:20
josenope. not atm. I'll forward them once I catch up. let's move on :)17:20
elachecheOK, let's move on..17:21
elacheche#subtopic UCADay17:21
josedon't wanna stall you for being late17:21
elachecheThe next action from last meeting was the UCADay.. and I think thatI t was a success17:22
elachecheYou can check https://twitter.com/hashtag/ucaday?f=tweets&vertical=default&src=hash17:22
elopioI agree, lots of people making the work of each other visible.17:23
elachecheI don't know if someone partitipated in other social networks or not, I'm not a heavy user of anything other than twitter & diaspora.. elopio do ou have more details about this?17:23
joseI saw G+ as well17:23
elopiothe Ubuntu accounts in every social network were full of likes17:23
elachecheGreat!17:23
elopiowhat's great of this is that the work we do starts attracting more people, and then our calls for action get more hands.17:24
elachecheShould we do a follow up action.. Like an early reminder for next year ucaday or something else?17:24
elopioI think we should try to get a very noisy event once a month. Last month ucaday, this month google code-in, we need to think of something for january.17:24
joseto keep the gears moving, that's a good one17:25
elacheche+117:25
ahoneybunI think we could do a community member day in each month or couple months17:25
joseI think we should check the calendar of yearly events17:25
ahoneybunas well17:25
joseget in touch with the LC to figure out days for the global jam and such, and get a 'featured global event' each month17:26
joseand since we're about to start next year, we can set probably 'featured global events' for Q117:26
joseand work on them each Q17:26
* elacheche is wondering why jose is in his head x)17:26
joselol17:27
Kiloslol17:27
josegreat minds think alike17:27
elachecheI tottally agree with that17:27
ahoneybunGlobal Jam is in Feb right?17:27
elachechewe should list global events17:27
elopiolets open a topic on the hub to receive proposals for the calendar next year, trying to spread the events to have at least once a month.17:27
joseGlobal Jam is up to the LC I believe, not sure17:28
joseas far as I remember when I was in the LC we set the dates17:28
elachechejose: The Global Jam is when the Beta1 is released17:28
josegot it17:29
elachecheSo the next gloabl jam should be in "March 8th"17:29
josethat could be our March 'ftg'17:29
jose'fge' sorry, didn't sleep yesterday17:29
elachecheThe LC just add that event to the LoCo dir, so LoCos can add it as localevent and we can have insight about who's running it17:30
joseyep, and we can have a blog post on the planet each month to announce the event17:30
josethe planet has huge reach outside the community as well, good place to get contributors from17:30
elachecheOn the fridge, will be better I guess :D17:30
joseyep. fridge can go to planet17:31
elachecheyep17:31
elachecheAny other thoughts about ucaday and global events?17:31
joseI'm set for now17:32
elopionothing else here.17:33
elachecheSo, UCADay was a success, and we should plan a monthly global event to communicate about it.. So the next action is to plan and list global events for the 2018 Q1.. I am right or I forget about something?17:33
joseI think that's it17:34
* elacheche will see if meetingology still have the action command, so we can have a more visible log later17:34
joseit should17:34
joseI haven't touched it17:34
elacheche#action Plan and list global events for the 2018 Q1..17:34
meetingologyACTION: Plan and list global events for the 2018 Q1..17:34
elachecheNext subtopic17:35
elacheche#subtopic @wxl to announce the new loco council and help with the transition.17:35
elachecheIt's well done.. Thanks wxl :)17:35
elachecheAny comments about that?17:36
joseoo, about that17:36
joseI'd say we should check in with the LC after they've held their first meeting to see how they're doing17:36
elachecheMaybe if wxl is around he can share news about the transition17:36
joseand if we can give a hand or they have questions17:36
elachecheI agree with that17:36
elopioyes, let's make an action topic to tell wxl to send an update on the transition to the hub.17:37
elachecheThe next public meeting will be Dev 11, 2017.. (I know because my LoCo re-verification is that day) x) :D17:37
elopioI can bother him until he makes the post :)17:37
elacheche:D17:37
pavlushkaelacheche: good luck with that17:38
elacheche#action Contact LC after theire 1st meeting and ask if we can help on something, ask wxl to send an update on the transition to the hub.17:39
meetingologyACTION: Contact LC after theire 1st meeting and ask if we can help on something, ask wxl to send an update on the transition to the hub.17:39
elachecheother thougths?17:39
josethat's it from me17:40
ahoneybunno comment on the monthly community member ?17:40
elopiomonthly community member sounds good to me.17:41
elopiodo you want to take lead that ahoneybun ?17:41
ahoneybunhighlights a member's work17:41
elachecheahoneybun: That will be with the planning for 2018 Q1 global event I guess :)17:41
ahoneybunI can make a draft17:41
elachecheGreat ahoneybun17:41
elacheche#action Plan and list global events for the 2018 Q1, ahoneybun will make a draft about a "monthly community member" event17:42
meetingologyACTION: Plan and list global events for the 2018 Q1, ahoneybun will make a draft about a "monthly community member" event17:42
elachecheanyr comments about LC ?17:43
elacheches/anyr/any17:43
elopionop.17:43
elachecheWe move on then17:44
elacheche#subtopic @Wimpress (aka flexiondotorg ) to investigate about publishing the community council RSS from the hub to the planet.17:44
elopioI don't think he's around. Let's ask him to update in the hub topic too.17:45
elachecheI don't know if anyone else have updates about this.. flexiondotorg can't be with us today..17:45
elachecheLast time we talked about this, we find that the HUB have a RSS feed for each category, but we were not sure what the planet will sync if we add that RSS to it17:46
elachecheSo, I guess the only way to figure that out, is to host a private planet and test it, or just add the RSS feed to the live planet and see what will be synched or not.. I'm not sure if we remove the feed after that the content will be removed from the planet or not17:47
wxltoo early for me :(17:47
elachecheNo problm wxl you can check logs later, and you can discuss with us the current subtopic :)17:48
wxltrying to find it XD17:50
wxlseems we don't post the usual format of meeting logs so i'll just go off of the summary17:51
wxli.e. https://community.ubuntu.com/t/community-council-meeting-20171116/134917:51
wxlso:17:51
elacheche#action flexiondotorg will share updates about  "publishing the community council RSS from the hub to the planet." in a HUB topic17:51
meetingologyACTION: flexiondotorg will share updates about  "publishing the community council RSS from the hub to the planet." in a HUB topic17:51
wxl * still haven't seen a thread about wiki migration, unless i'm blind17:52
wxl * need to hear back from flexiondotorg on the marketing guerilla campaign, i think17:52
elopiowxl: the bot posts the meeting logs when the meeting is over.17:53
josenext up?17:54
elopioI'm sorry, but it's almost an hour here. Can we go a little faster please?17:54
josethis meeting's supposed to be 2h long though17:55
elachecheelopio: The fridge calaneder say that we can have 2 hours :D17:55
josebut yep, what's next on the list?17:55
elacheche#subtopic @elopio to make a proposal for multilanguage in the hub.17:56
* elopio makes a note to propose to change the meetings to 1h.17:56
wxlelopio: but that's not in the link to the full conversation17:56
wxlthe link comes after #endmeeting and it appears that's where the logs end17:56
joseit's supposed to be 2h first meeting of the month, 1h second meeting of the month17:56
josebut if we vote and agree on moving all to 1h, I can change it on the fridge right now17:57
joseI have access17:57
elopiowxl: take a look at the topics on the hub for the meetings, the full conversation is posted there. Not sure what you mean.17:57
elachecheI think we better plan that for an other meeting :) :D17:57
elopiook, I made the multilanguages proposals in the hub. One is for posts in a language that's not english. The other is for posts that are translated to multiple languages.17:57
elachecheOr we should discuss it in hub or ml and ask all CC to vote17:58
elachecheAny follow up actions elopio ?17:58
elopiowe have been experimenting with this, and it works reasonably well. But there's a huge problem with languages that are right-to-left.17:58
joseok, I'll take an action item to send an email to discuss changing meetings from 2h to 1h17:58
elopioelacheche: just, keep insisting on people to post in their languages when it's relevant, to invite more people into the community. We will keep experimenting and adjusting.17:59
elachecheOK elopio :)17:59
elacheche+1 jose17:59
elachecheMore comments about this subtopic or we move to the next topic?18:00
wxlmove on18:00
elachecheSo, we're good with updates about actions from last meeting, we go back to todays agenda18:00
elacheche#topic Google Code-in updates18:01
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elachecheelopio: I think you have updates about that?18:01
elopioThis has been amazing. Already 170 tasks completed, more in progress18:01
elopiowe have seen code contributions, translations, tutorials, and I guess many more things because I'm only looking at the 20 snapcraft tasks18:02
elopioif you haven't mentored anybody yet, I recommend you to do it. It's very nice to see these young people enjoying ubuntu and the work we are doing.18:02
ahoneybunis there a way to look at the tasks done and to be done?18:03
elopiowe still have one month to go, so new tasks can be added. And please, promote the event so more students can join.18:03
wxlit's all on google code-in, ahoneybun18:03
ahoneybuntried looking myself a min ago18:03
josecodein.withgoogle.com18:03
elachecheIt's good to hear that elopio18:04
elachecheelopio: Can you write a blog/fridge  post about that? We can use the post to promote the event..18:04
elopioalso, I'm having problems to find mentors in other languages. I'm trying to build a list of trusted translators that will help us review the multilanguage projects18:04
elopioif you know somebody who speaks romanian, please let me know.18:05
jose*sighs* language barriers :/18:05
ahoneybunelopio: I do know someone18:05
josesay hi to him from me ;)18:05
elopioelacheche: I'm too busy with work and mentoring these days, so no, no post yet. I have to write a summary about the snapcraft experience when we finish.18:05
elachecheOK, no problem..18:06
elacheche#action Promote the google code-in event18:06
meetingologyACTION: Promote the google code-in event18:06
elopiointroduce me please ahoneybun18:06
wxlfwiw kubutu just had a meeting about onboarding more packagers and creating some tutorials, etc. and i mentioned google code-in as a potential resource to use with that18:06
ahoneybunelopio: he hangs around in #kubuntu-devel18:06
wxlalso lubuntu has been kind of busy, but we have it on our task list to add some events18:07
wxlmeanwhile i've been hanging out in #ubuntu-google a bit here and there18:07
elachechecool.. any actions to add about gci?18:09
elopiojust the recommendation to join as a mentors18:10
elacheche#action Promote the google code-in event to the public, and recommend community memebrs to join as mentors18:11
meetingologyACTION: Promote the google code-in event to the public, and recommend community memebrs to join as mentors18:11
elachecheNext topic18:11
elacheche#topic Deal with the CC ML spams18:11
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wxlright now, afaik, the list is unmoderated18:12
joseuh, not much we could do there because of that18:12
josecanonical spam filter is already getting a bunch of it18:12
wxl^^18:12
elachecheFor this, we should talk to marcoceppi_ to have the ML get emails only from members18:12
elachecheand he will need to check every other email and allow it or not to go to the ml18:12
joseuh18:12
wxli would happily deal with that18:13
joseI think that'd be a challenge+problem18:13
wxlevery other council does that18:13
joseI believe the reason why it is unmoderated is because we wanted to be easily reachable18:13
joseand people were discouraged from emailing us due to getting that 'in moderation' email18:13
wxlbut if inboxes are filled with spam, how easily reachable are we?18:13
wxlwhen?18:13
wxlagain, the loco council and the membership board both operate this way18:13
elachecheIn my LoCo ML we accept emails only from memebrs, everything else is in hold until the ml admin approve or remove it18:13
joseprevious CC iirc. I can ask around why they opened it up18:13
josebecause it was moderated before, but they changed it18:14
josethere *has* to be a reason why18:14
wxlwe should be able to change the moderation message template18:14
elachechewxl: marcoceppi_ is able to do that as he's the ml admin18:14
wxlOR we could do what flexiondotorg suggested and move it to the hub18:14
joseI'd suggest holding it off until we find out why they opened it up. I can take it as an action item18:15
josebut that's just my opinion18:15
elacheche#action jose will investigate why old CC opened the ML for everyone18:15
meetingologyACTION: jose will investigate why old CC opened the ML for everyone18:15
* elacheche statts to lose caffeine in his blood stream, and start to miss read/write things x(18:16
wxlmeanwhile i SEEM to remember that flexiondotorg was giong to investigate how the hub might work so we should check in with him on that18:17
elachecheOK.. I guess until jose investigates that we can't do big thing, if we will vote later on turn on moderation we can ping marcoceppi_ to do that..18:17
joseup to you guys18:17
josewe can close it off if you'd like while I investigate18:17
josewas just my point of view18:17
elachechewxl: yep, that should be the next topic18:17
elachechejose: we better investigate then vote about what to do :)18:18
wxlelacheche: i meant specifically as it relates to this current topic18:18
elachecheflexiondotorg: can't be with us today.. So we need to ask him later I guess :/18:18
wxlmake an action item for him?18:19
elachecheOK, the next topic is all about that wxl :D can we move on to the next topic? Or there is other coments about this one?18:20
wxlcarry on18:20
elacheche#topic Create a private HUB category for CC to use instead of ML18:20
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wxlso NOW make the action item. :)18:21
wxli don't think any of us have investigated this18:21
wxli'll also say that we should investigate this only if two other conditions are true:18:21
elachecheI don't remember that flexiondotorg said that he will investigate this :D But it's his task until he mention that he do'nt want to do it :D18:22
wxlwell, one condition18:22
wxlthat for some reason or another we cannot "resolve" the mailing list issue as previously discussed18:22
elacheche#action flexiondotorg will investigate how the hub might work so we should check in with him on that18:22
meetingologyACTION: flexiondotorg will investigate how the hub might work so we should check in with him on that18:22
wxlthat may be because we believe we should not moderate the list or that in some way we cannot provide a solution that would work for the community18:23
wxlthat said, we need to wait for jose before even doing that action18:23
elachecheTo be honest, I'm not a fun of the HUB, and I like the ML and the wiki more than the HUB..18:23
elachechejose elopio comments on this topic?18:24
wxlthe hub is a great tool, and a lot of people are using it, but we don't NEED to use it foreverything18:24
wxli mean unless you can play doom on it..18:24
elacheche+42 wxl18:24
elachecheOK, we move on to the last topic, unless someone disagree18:25
elacheche#topic Create a list of CC ressources and make clear the usage of each.18:25
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joseI'd say +1 wxl18:25
elopioI will only keep insisting that we should have only public discussions every time somebody starts a private one. That's my comment :)18:25
jose^ big -1 on that one18:26
wxli believe that there is a time and a place for a private discussion, but not the vast majority of things18:26
joseI have to drop now, but I'll check + comment once we're done. sorry guys18:26
joseo/18:26
josefeel free to ping me if you need me18:26
wxlalso there's some things that don't have enough bearing on people that decision making needs to be done by everyone18:27
elachecheThis one is my idea, I think that we need to list ALL CC ressources in one place, by ressources I mean things like ML, IRC, HUB, Trello, etc.. And come up with a clear description that tells why we need each of them and when we need to use any of them18:27
wxldo it :)18:27
elachecheOK then18:28
elopioelacheche: like,18:28
elacheche#action elacheche will investigate CC ressources (ML,IRC, HUB, Trello, Wiki, etc) and list them all in one place (HUB or/and wiki page)18:28
meetingologyACTION: elacheche will investigate CC ressources (ML,IRC, HUB, Trello, Wiki, etc) and list them all in one place (HUB or/and wiki page)18:28
elopioupdating and completing this text? https://community.ubuntu.com/t/what-is-the-ubuntu-community-council/70618:29
wxlyes18:29
elachecheYes, why not..18:30
elacheche#link https://community.ubuntu.com/t/what-is-the-ubuntu-community-council/70618:30
elachecheOK, I'll start investigating that.. Any ideas about this topic?18:31
Kiloshmm...18:31
wxlafter we have the list, let's make an agenda item to discuss the value of each of them18:31
elacheche#action Once the list is ready we need to add an agenda item to  discuss the value of each of them18:32
meetingologyACTION: Once the list is ready we need to add an agenda item to  discuss the value of each of them18:32
* elacheche start losing focus x) :D18:32
wxli'm ready ot move on18:32
elachecheagenda is clear.. If we have nothing else to discuss we can end this meeting wxl elopio18:33
wxli have one thing if i may18:33
elachechego ahead18:33
wxland that's the time. i realize what the problem is. daylight savings time. unfortunately 17 UTC is not the same time all year round in the US and other countries with DST18:33
elopioI have one, after wxl18:34
wxlthat said, can we either push out the time during DST or, alternately, push it out to 18 UTC ad infinitum?18:34
elachechewxl: jose already sent a mail about changing this meeting to be 1h meeting, I think we can discuss the time in the same thread as well and vote there.. what do you think?18:35
wxlelacheche: sure! 2h is a bit long to commit to, too, fwiw.18:35
wxlbut that's less of my concern :)18:36
elachecheYep.. We cna discuss both issues in one thred  :D18:36
elachecheThat way every CC memebr can vote via ML :)18:36
elachecheOr you can start a new thread wxl18:37
elachecheelopio: go ahead18:38
elopioThe google summer of code has been announced already18:39
elopioorganizations have to apply on january 4th. Does somebody have experience applying to this?18:39
wxlno :(18:40
elopiopopey: are you still around? Are you left with enought strength after code-in to do it again? :)18:40
elachecheI don't but we can investigate it..18:40
elacheche#action investigate how to apply to GSoc (deadline Jan 4th, 2018)18:41
meetingologyACTION: investigate how to apply to GSoc (deadline Jan 4th, 2018)18:41
elachecheI am sure that popey will come back to us with an answer later :)18:42
elachecheIn meawhile, if we have nothing else to discuss, we will end the meeting18:42
elacheches/will/can/18:43
elachechex(18:43
elacheche#action elacheche will post meetning summary on the hub asap18:44
meetingologyACTION: elacheche will post meetning summary on the hub asap18:44
elopioelacheche: the deadline is not the 4th. On the 4th the registrations are open.18:44
elopiothanks for the summaries elacheche.18:44
elopioI am sorry I posted the summary of the past meeting so late.18:44
elachecheso we better we investigate it before the 4th ;)18:44
elopioelacheche: so, I proposed that everybody should lead the meetings of a whole month. Can you please also post a call for topics for the next meeting?18:45
elachecheI'll try to share the summary before the weekend18:45
elopioand for january, we need wxl, jose, ahoneybun or marcoceppi_ to lead.18:45
elacheche#action elacheche will post call for meeting for the next meeting18:45
meetingologyACTION: elacheche will post call for meeting for the next meeting18:45
wxli vote that the previous lead nominate the remaining members :)18:45
elacheche#action add to next meeting agenda, vote on January meeting chair18:45
meetingologyACTION: add to next meeting agenda, vote on January meeting chair18:45
* wxl notices the target on his back18:45
elachechewxl: if I will nomiate I'll nomiate you :D x) :p But that's a task for the next meeting anyways :p18:46
elachecheshall we end the meeting?18:47
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elachecheThnaks elopio wxl popey ahoneybun jose Kilos pavlushka for being here..18:48
elopiothanks people!18:48
Kiloscool beans guys. nice to see the new council in action18:48
wxlyep exciting stuff :)18:49
elacheche#endmeeting18:49
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pavlushkaanytime elacheche  :p18:49
Kiloselacheche get a 1 or 2 litre flash for your coffee18:49
Kilosflask18:50
elacheche:D18:50
Kiloswell done, nice meeting18:50
Kilosglad to see wxl still going strong too18:50
* genii sweeps up all the confetti and washes out the coffeepot19:06
Kilosgenii19:06
Kiloshow are you19:06
Kilosand and and i didnt get any'19:07
geniiKilos: I'm well, thanks :)19:07
* genii slides Kilos an espresso19:07
Kilosthank you my lifesaver19:07
geniiAny time, sir19:08
Kilos:-)19:09
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pleia2o/20:00
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Wild_Mangood to see you powersj20:01
powersjthanks20:01
Wild_Manwe will get started in a couple of minutes waiting for a few others to show up20:02
Kiloso/20:02
Wild_Man#startmeeting 20 UTC Membership Board Meeting20:03
meetingologyMeeting started Thu Dec  7 20:03:57 2017 UTC.  The chair is Wild_Man. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.20:03
meetingologyAvailable commands: action commands idea info link nick20:03
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Wild_ManHello and welcome to the Membership Board meeting!20:04
Wild_ManThe wiki page for the Review Board is available here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards. We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting.20:04
Wild_ManIf we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off. The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).20:04
Wild_ManEach applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.20:04
Wild_ManDuring this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.20:04
Kilosevening everyone20:05
pleia2welcome powersj!20:05
Wild_Manhello Kilos20:05
Kiloshi powersj20:05
powersjhowdy20:05
Wild_Man#topic powersj20:05
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powersjDoes that mean I'm up? :)20:06
pleia2it does :)20:06
powersjwiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/powersj20:06
Wild_Manpowersj, please introduce yourself to the board, and share a link to your LP and wiki20:06
powersjI work on the Canonical Server team as the QA engineer. I swap my time between the cloud-init and curtin development team where I work on the testing and quality of those projects and the Server team where I work on bug triage, SRUs, git-ubuntu, and general distribution test efforts.20:06
powersjLP: https://launchpad.net/~powersj20:06
wxlwow pictures and everything!20:07
pleia2powersj: ah nice, you worked on HLinux for HPE, did you make it to the DebConf in Portland by any chance?20:07
powersj:)20:07
pleia2(I was over in the OpenStack team)20:07
powersjI did not :(20:07
pleia2shame, we probably haven't met then20:08
powersjI was at next year's at Heidelberg where I presented on hlinux20:08
powersjand this years in Montreal where I presented on cloud-init20:08
pleia2cool20:08
pleia2I see you're doing Ubuntu Server ISO testing, are you using the ISO tracker?20:09
blackboxswheh,just found power's video from debconf http://saimei.ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2017/debconf17/cloud-init-building-clouds-one-linux-box.vp9.webm20:09
powersjI use when we do formal Alpha and Beta and Release tests, day to day I do not20:10
* pleia2 nods20:10
powersjblackboxsw: :)20:10
pleia2it could use some love, I'm always looking for an in on how to get improvements made ;)20:10
wxlis there someone on the team who does it daily?20:10
powersjwxl: I care for automated tests that gate the promotion of the amd64, i386, ppc64el daily server ISO. I try to check it daily to make sure no issues come up and if they do file bugs, pull in the right people, re-run tests, etc.20:11
powersjThis way we know the current daily server ISO is actually tested and working and if it is not getting promoted from pending to current then something is wrong.20:12
pleia2that's good to hear20:12
wxlpowersj: excuse my ignorance but does that deal with automated installation tasks, or just make sure that the builds work?20:12
powersjwxl: The test that gates promotion from pending to current does a preseeded install with the default options, so it won't check all the tasks, but some of them. After the default test, we launch a dozen more tests that check various tasks like mail server, lxd, etc.20:13
Wild_Man#voters pleia2 Kilos wxl Wild_Man20:14
meetingologyCurrent voters: Kilos Wild_Man pleia2 wxl20:14
Kilosone question20:15
Kilospowersj what took you so long to apply20:15
wxlpowersj: could you link me to the info on that test? i'm curious for my own purposes20:15
wxlthat said20:15
pleia2hehe20:15
pleia2+120:15
Kilos+120:15
pleia2oh, we haven't started yet XD20:15
wxli really have to give careful consideration to your application20:15
Kiloshaha20:15
powersjwxl: these are the preseeds we use https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server-qa/ubuntu-test-cases/server-tests-raring20:15
wxlare your contributions consistent and significant?20:15
powersjI can send you the jenkins jobs as well20:15
wxlhmmmmm20:15
wxlj/k btw :)20:16
Wild_Man#vote20:16
meetingologyPlease vote on:20:16
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)20:16
powersjKilos: honestly I was trying to get server dev upload rights, but I seem to not be getting enough uploads lately :)20:16
wxlpowersj: let's chat after the meeting20:16
Kilos+120:16
Wild_Man+120:16
powersjwxl: ok20:16
wxl+1 and then some. wow. keep up the good work. and get all your similarly wonderful friends to apply for membership, too, while you're at it20:16
pleia2+120:16
powersjthanks :)20:17
Kilosgreat work powersj20:17
powersjthank you20:17
Wild_Man#endvote20:18
meetingologyNo vote in progress20:18
pleia2hah20:18
nzoueidio/20:18
wxloh jeez20:18
Kiloshi nzoueidi20:18
Kiloswhats up with the bot20:18
pleia2Wild_Man: try #vote powersj membership20:19
nzoueidiHello Kilos20:19
Wild_Man#vote powersj membership20:19
meetingologyPlease vote on: powersj membership20:19
meetingologyPublic votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)20:19
pleia2+120:19
meetingology+1 received from pleia220:19
pleia2that's better :)20:19
Wild_Man+120:19
meetingology+1 received from Wild_Man20:19
Kilos+1  great work20:19
meetingology+1  great work received from Kilos20:19
wxl+1 and then some. wow. keep up the good work. and get all your similarly wonderful friends to apply for membership, too, while you're at it20:20
meetingology+1 and then some. wow. keep up the good work. and get all your similarly wonderful friends to apply for membership, too, while you're at it received from wxl20:20
Wild_Man#endvote20:20
meetingologyVoting ended on: powersj membership20:20
meetingologyVotes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:020:20
meetingologyMotion carried20:20
Kiloswelcome to u bunt members powersj20:20
powersjthank you all!20:20
wxlpowersj: hey before you go.. where's that jenkins instance running at? is that a canonical thing?20:21
Wild_ManYou earned it20:21
powersjwxl: sadly the automated ISO tests are inside canonical, I am trying to get some more hardware for the public server jenkins (https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/) and get those moved over20:21
powersjshould happen in January or February20:21
pleia2thanks for all your work powersj, and welcome :)20:22
powersjwant more public help and viewing of ISO tests :)20:22
powersjpleia2: thank you20:22
wxlpowersj: i guess what i'm thinking is whether or not that jenkins instance could be something other flavors could make use of20:22
powersjwxl: to block promotion of dailies?20:22
Wild_Man#endmeeting20:23
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wxlpowersj: mayhap. i guess i'm still reeling from the fact that the jenkins instance exists :)20:23
powersjhaha20:24
pleia2powersj: aw, your twitter account is wrong on the wiki, do you still have one?20:24
wxlpowersj: in other news i work mostly with lubuntu (and kubuntu) and noticed this bug affecting d-i that seems to also somehow affect server. i haven't had a chance to look into it more but you may want to peek https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debootstrap/+bug/173630920:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1736309 in debootstrap (Ubuntu) "installer failed missing dpkg_1.19.0.4ubuntu1_amd64.deb" [Undecided,Confirmed]20:24
powersjpleia2: ah yeah I got rid of it :\ heh20:25
powersjwxl: interesting that it broke both20:27
powersjwxl: well how the automation works is we use Utah (https://launchpad.net/utah) to do automated preseed installs20:27
wxlpowersj: well we're the only two d-i users in the whole ubuntu ecosystem :)20:27
powersjI assume that is for lubuntu?20:28
powersjin either case I wouldn't be opposed to creating a daily job for them once the test get moved to the public instance20:29
wxlyeah. d-i is used in our alternate installer for those folks with too little RAM to handle ubiquity20:29
wxlthat'd be cool20:29
powersjhow about I throw a reminder in my calendar to ping you after the new year on where I am at with the migration20:30
wxli mainly bring it to your attention because something about the tests may not be picking up on those failures20:30
wxlsounds good20:30
wxli'd love to have a contact on the server team because man when we have issues with d-i we're sort of on our own20:31
powersj:) hit me up20:31
wxlwill do20:31
wxlnice meeting you and welcome to the club (officially) XD20:31
powersjthank you :)20:31

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