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tsimonq2wxl: OH with slangasek he just suggested retrying the tests00:00
tsimonq2wxl: Did you check if he did so?00:00
wxl@tsimonq2: it's failing upstream. it's highly unlikely that's an issue. it's a random guess at best.00:01
wxlbut feel free to try....00:01
acheronuk[17:01] <slangasek> acheronuk: if akonadi_sqlite_pop3test is a broken test, how about disabling the test?00:01
acheronuk[17:03] <acheronuk> slangasek: we are thinking of doing that. just doing some due diligence, as it actually looks a bit more broken in our runs than the upstream results.00:01
tsimonq2"slangasek> wxl: not specifically, but I would wonder about that test being racy since it's a client-server test, and retry it"00:01
tsimonq2That's when you asked him.00:01
wxli'm aware of that00:02
tsimonq2So retrying it *should* help.00:02
wxl*could*00:02
wxlnote "wonder" not "expect"00:02
tsimonq2But was it *tried*?00:02
wxlfrom what i can gather, too, the issue is in a simple login. he's guessing.00:02
wxli did not try it, no00:03
tsimonq2Because you don't have access to in the archive... :P00:03
wxli heard "don't know, but here's a random guess" so i just ignored it00:03
tsimonq2acheronuk: Have you retried those tests?00:03
tsimonq2wxl: Well that's a common thing with our tests so it *should* have been retried00:03
acheronuktsimonq2: did you bother to look at the test retry histories?00:03
tsimonq2(if it wasn't already)00:03
wxldude, it's a login issue00:04
tsimonq2acheronuk: asking is faster ;P00:04
tsimonq2wxl: That's *irrelevant*00:04
wxlif you create a pop3 server on localhost and try to log into it, it's not going to be "racy"00:04
tsimonq2grr I'm just going to play with it00:04
acheronuktsimonq2: yes, but you were suggesting retries as a solution, before you asked, without checking00:05
tsimonq2acheronuk: meh maybe you're right00:05
tsimonq2Anyways00:05
wxl..and also not hearing the tons of evidence suggesting that's not even an educated guess00:05
tsimonq2Looking into it00:05
acheronukanyway, they have been tried multiple times00:05
acheronukfail every time, across all archs00:06
wxltl;dr the "solution" was not a good one00:06
wxlwhich is why i started looking elsewhere, pouring over both upstream logs and our own, finding that the issue was in the login00:07
wxlthere *IS* a kio error which is strange and doesn't seem to directly relate to the testing code00:07
valoriebtw, shadeslayer does Debian CI afaik00:07
valorienot sure how much it is used, but they have one 00:08
wxlso what's left to do but to try to recreate it locally? there's instructions in the autopkgtest docs00:08
tsimonq2shadeslayer: hi, suggestions welcome00:08
tsimonq2wxl: Let me go through my usual poking around process00:08
tsimonq2Give me an hour and I'll come back with something00:08
wxlof course the most current debian version is like waaaaaaaaaaaaaay old00:09
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acheronukvalorie: it;t only testing a really old version on debian CI00:09
acheronuk*it's00:09
wxlexperimental just got their first version >16.000:09
valoriehuh, I wonder why00:09
wxl..400:09
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acheronukon the one hand - it's PIM who's tests are unreliable at the best of times, is the addons package which as the name suggests is not core functionality, we are not going to ship thsi version in the end in artful, so we could skip the test and investigate for 17.12 apps00:16
tsimonq2acheronuk: You said this exact test was failing in the upstream CI?00:16
tsimonq2acheronuk: You're referring to the tip of master right?00:16
tsimonq2No, this is kdepim-runtime...00:16
acheronukon the other hand - it could be the symptom of some other issue we need to sort00:16
acheronuktsimonq2: whoops.mixing t2 up00:17
tsimonq2acheronuk: ok so is this failing on the tip of master?00:17
acheronuktsimonq2: wait 2 sec for ### sake? :P00:18
tsimonq2acheronuk: heh sorry00:18
acheronukI think it both branches, but I'm double checking...00:18
wxlthis is what you linked me acheronuk https://build.kde.org/job/Applications%20kdepim-runtime%20kf5-qt5%20SUSEQt5.9/42/testReport/junit/(root)/TestSuite/akonadi_sqlite_pop3test/00:19
valoriedid anyone check with the PIM team, say in #kontact or so?00:21
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valoriethey are a fantastic team00:21
tsimonq2give me time please :P00:21
acheronukok, on build.kde.org, it's failing on BOTH stable and master branch builds00:21
acheronuk^^ tsimonq2 wxl 00:21
tsimonq2ack00:22
tsimonq2Then let me take a crack at fixing it00:22
wxlwell obviously we're basically stable, but if it's failing a master, then it's Not Fixed™, even by the awesome PIM team :)00:22
acheronuksorry. just had to check to make sure I did not get that mixed up00:22
wxlacheronuk: can you show me how exactly you figured that out?00:22
tsimonq2wxl: then I'm going to try to fix it...00:23
acheronukvalorie: I asked in #kontact this morning, no answer00:23
tsimonq2Or maybe code is actually borked. We'll have to see.00:23
wxlif you're going to do something i really suggest setting up autopkgtest yourself and playing with the system00:24
wxla simple login should be simple00:24
acheronukwxl: https://build.kde.org/job/Applications%20kdepim-runtime%20stable-kf5-qt5%20SUSEQt5.9/22/search/?q=kdepim-runtime00:24
wxlAH00:24
tsimonq2wxl: I know how to fix autopkgtests.00:24
tsimonq2I don't need help with my setup. ;P00:24
wxlthere's fixing autopkgtests and then there's tests making incorrect assumptions00:25
wxlbut knock yourself out00:25
wxlthe upstream fails both seem to be heap-use-after-free which, again, is weird.00:26
acheronukit is00:26
wxlwhat's even weirder is that CacheCleaner appears to have allocated the memory AND tried to reference it after deleting it XD00:28
valoriesounds like a bug!00:29
wxlit's almost like some identifier is getting dropped00:30
wxlperhaps that's why the KIO POP3 slave fails to be created00:30
wxlor at least i'd expect those to be related somehow00:30
wxlhey wait00:31
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wxlwe just switched to dbus-session. i wonder if that isn't the issue? i wonder if it Just Works™ without that change00:31
wxlacheronuk: what was that debian link that we were looking at their patches?00:32
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acheronukwxl: I applied those changes to our packaging, and ran a full in a cloud-image vm autotest run00:35
acheronukstill failed the same way00:35
acheronukhttps://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kdepim-runtime.git/log/debian/tests00:35
acheronukso seems to fail the same with dbus-launch or dbus-run-session00:41
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wxlah foo00:44
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acheronukI could fire up the test again, and play with it a bit, but getting late here now 00:48
wxli guess ultimately i wanted to know if it would work one way if it didn't work the other way and i think you took care of that00:49
acheronukif this is still unresolved in the morning (my time) I may try pinging PIM guys again00:49
acheronukwxl: yes, I also used the test emulation which is closest to our actual test builds00:50
acheronuk*buildrs00:50
wxlultimately that's a bit of a guess anyways so c'est la vie00:50
acheronukmay also trying running the tests against KCI stable builds, because as you noted the upstream failure is not the same, but out failure is on a release that is not now testing there00:56
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acheronuk*our failure00:57
wxltrue but they're both failing on the same test, so that could potentially be circumstantial00:57
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acheronukwxl: but whether we still see our mode of failure with those upstream branches tested against KCI, could also be helpful. especially if we find our login issue goes away on say the 17.12 branch01:00
acheronuksadly when KDE switched to their new CI, they ditched the old one and it's build history, so I can't check back to see what iot got when it was building 17.08 as the stable branch01:02
acheronukit's odd that we are scratching our heads over this, where most distros would not even be here, as they don't run the tests!01:04
acheronukbut it is what it is :)01:05
wxlhey speaking of tests did you know that jenkins.ubuntu.com is a thing???01:06
acheronukmaybe. at least there was one I came across ages ago doing QA stuff. not sure if that is it01:09
wxli just learned about this. looks like server is the main user, although ubuntu-sdk aaaaand something else is in there01:10
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BluesKajHowdy folks11:35
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acheronukwxl: just tried in actaul kmail, and I am able to set up and retrieve mails on a pop3 account15:04
acheronukwxl tsimonq2: admittedly, that is with the default mysql backend, not that sqlite one, but hey, our default works15:12
wxlacheronuk: well that doesn't necessarily test the same assumptions, i.e. their pop3 server may be incorrect built or the login information passed incorrectly15:31
acheronukPIM tests rarely do15:34
wxlrarely do… ?15:34
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acheronukadequately test to real world standards. limitations of writing tests for test environments I guess15:50
wxlwell i mean is it possible to test real world environments in an automated fashion? :)16:42
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IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> !help17:12
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Hmmm17:12
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> what?17:13
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Sorry, I was trying to trigger the bot17:13
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> I want to know where the source code is for Our Ubiquity installer17:13
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> It doesn't trigger via TG17:13
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Oh - Doh !17:13
wxlactually there's a way to do it 17:14
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> installer or slideshow?17:14
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Both actually17:14
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> The slideshow needs a re-do, but there are some fix-me's also17:14
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IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Plus, I want to investigate what is possible with the installer17:15
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk17:15
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Do we patch that then ? or just patch our own slideshow in17:16
wxlslideshow's in there, no?17:16
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html17:16
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Genius Rik thanks17:16
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> slideshows are in a sepearte source package ;)17:16
wxlah17:17
wxl@Sick_Rimmit apparently you can use "command" to send an IRC msg without nick prefix17:18
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Oh OK17:18
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> command !help17:18
wxllike /command !help i think17:18
wxlit's a telegram slash command17:18
wxlhttps://github.com/FruitieX/teleirc/blob/develop/extras/commands.txt17:19
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> OK not to worry, I can always use IRC for that stuff17:19
wxlright. SOME people around here are really hardcore about Telegram, so just helping out :)17:20
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Hmm so is there a Kubuntu branch, that holds our slideshow ?17:23
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Ah nope17:25
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> I got it ignore me, they have there own directory17:25
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> No, you make your own on your own LP name, makes changes, and propose a merge17:26
wxlis pidgin our new default language? XD17:26
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> I was playing with Xubuntu, and I thought their slideshow was really good17:28
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Plus the links to things worked, and opened up pages in the Live CD's Firefox browser17:28
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> @ahoneybun is our slideshow HTML master :P17:28
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> We need something like this for Kubuntu17:29
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> we have something like that17:29
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> kinda all that I did last cycle17:29
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> When I run the install the links didn't work17:29
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> blame the browser then17:29
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> not sure why those don't work. which is why I added the test17:29
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> OK, well this is really good17:30
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> If @ahoneybun is happy to work on Slides Coding, and we get Marketing to come up with a compelling journey, with links to our website and stuff17:31
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> mm17:31
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> I think the installer is a very important place to catch new people and bring them into the community.17:32
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> here is my work from it: https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/artful217:33
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> I think we need someone who does html for a living or day to day to take a look at it17:33
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> ok, it's not all that complicated, but needs an extra 'polish'?17:34
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> @acheronuk, Someone should invite @MichaelTun in here17:34
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> He does that sort of thing for a living17:34
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Actually that is a great idea17:34
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> He's very good at constructing a customer journey17:35
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Sorry, time to leave work on they're closing up17:35
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> @Sick_Rimmit Could you please create an invite link I could send to him?17:36
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> I'll put some notes together first, and start a plan in the Phab Wiki, then we'll get something organised to action things17:36
IrcsomeBot<Sick_Rimmit> Got to go now see you later17:36
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Ok17:36
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> @tsimonq2, Does he want to come in, as I think I can just add him?17:37
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> @acheronuk, Lemme ask17:38
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> @acheronuk, Yep go ahead17:40
IrcsomeBotMichaelTun was added by: acheronuk17:41
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Yo!17:42
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> I would find that Robin Williams welcome gif, but no...... it annoys me :P17:44
IrcsomeBot<MichaelTun> you mean17:46
IrcsomeBot<MichaelTun> (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/JEOH5mB9/file_3780.mp417:46
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> argggggh. lol17:46
IrcsomeBot<MichaelTun> deleted to not be "that guy" lol17:46
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> no worries, really :)17:47
IrcsomeBot<MichaelTun> the short gifs bother me as well because they are sooooo repeatative but the longer gifs are fine with me17:47
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> ditto. anyway, welcome. Simon said to add you.17:48
IrcsomeBot<MichaelTun> @acheronuk, he wanted me to give design input on installer which I am happy to do17:54
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> well, I'm not sure we are discussing that right this minute, but you are welcome to idle on here17:54
IrcsomeBot<MichaelTun> I am wondering how open is Kubuntu to redesigning the default breeze theme? I dont mean in terms of KDE's version itself but making a tweak to Kubuntu's offering rather than using the barebones default17:55
IrcsomeBot<ahoneybun> well we wanted the installer slideshow to be looked at mainly17:55
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> @MichaelTun, depends on the extent of the patching, and maintainability. breeze gtk theme moves very slowly upstream, but big deltas to KDE and debian are still not something we really like17:58
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> @acheronuk, +117:59
IrcsomeBot<MichaelTun> @acheronuk, I only want to make one change and this one change will make the default offering SO MUCH BETTER, imo. … Change the Panel and the Menu/Launcher to Breeze Dark. Everything else would stay the same with the light window with Blue titlebar. … This would be a hybrid approach to design and theoretically shouldn't add much work to make it happen18:01
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> That is something we could investigate. Having an extra Breeze varient that does that is not too much trouble *I think*.18:05
IrcsomeBot<MichaelTun> @acheronuk, :) I think this would improve the default appeal of breeze in a huge way and in fact, I think blog/media outlets will jump at the chance to talk about the improvement18:07
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> @MichaelTun, @acheronuk later after my driving lesson I can work on a POC if we have consensus?18:08
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> (not that I need a driving lesson now, I'm already a decent enough driver, just need more practice :P)18:08
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> I use the dark, and have never been keen on the light panel since dark became and easy choice18:09
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> well, actually mine is transparent, but same thing with my themeing :P18:09
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> @acheronuk, Totally agreed18:09
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> So it's a no brainer to at least do some testing with IMO18:10
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> +118:11
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> Clive was wanting to work on a Unity like look and feel as well, but now he has walked, I'm not sure what will happen there18:12
IrcsomeBot<MichaelTun> @acheronuk, I use dark as well but I dont think dark is best for everyone due to dark artifacts issue but this one thing will increase the appeal of the default in my opinion, especially for those that have their panel viewable at all times. That white-ish panel at all times is very bothersome18:13
IrcsomeBot<MichaelTun> @acheronuk, he contacted me about it as I created that video essentially doing it a few months ago18:13
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> @MichaelTun, It would be totally possible to ship something like that as default18:14
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> Fwd from tsimonq2: It would be totally possible to ship something like that as an option shipped by default18:14
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> @MichaelTun, Agreed. if it is an extra (set to default), so people can swich to the complete light if they prefer, then good18:14
IrcsomeBot<MichaelTun> @tsimonq2, the stuff I did is a TON of non-conventional changes so it would require a lot of custom stuff to make it work, moving the panels and stuff isn't enough :)18:15
IrcsomeBot<MichaelTun> @acheronuk, yea that would be ideal18:15
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> It would actually be somewhat similar to what Mint KDE has/had!18:17
IrcsomeBot<MichaelTun> @acheronuk, I haven't seen "Mint KDE" since switching to Plasma 5 but if they did then that's funny18:21
IrcsomeBot<MichaelTun> oh I see, they changed the color to the cinnamon dark grey panel. That's fine too18:22
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> (Photo, 1199x681) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/VxHR6boQ/file_3782.jpg18:22
IrcsomeBot<MichaelTun> yea that's pretty close18:22
IrcsomeBot<MichaelTun> good opportunity for those who are going to abandon Mint due to no Plasma option18:23
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> exaaaaaaactly......18:23
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> @tsimonq2  you see that? I think that is done in there artwork package18:24
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> gotta go. back in an hr or 218:26
shadeslayerwhats the question?20:34
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> @shadeslayer, Who do I bother for PIM autotest breakage?20:47
shadeslayersomeone on #kdepim ?20:48
shadeslayeris it a breakage or is it a setup issue20:48
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> @shadeslayer, Not sure, just failing autopkgtests that also fail on master :P20:49
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> wxl has more details iirc20:49
wxlit appears to be a sertup issue20:50
wxlin that it sets up a pop3 server and then tries to login and there's a fail20:50
wxlwhat's strange is that upstream is seeing a head-use-after-free issue that causes it to fail at approximately the same point but i don't sree this downstream20:51
wxlemail got bounced back uggggghj21:02
wxlgot it21:05
wxlwrong channel jeez i'm fire today21:05
* wxl facepalms21:05
IrcsomeBot<tsimonq2> @wxl, "fire" means "really great" in today's lingo ;P21:20
valorieunless you happen to be in LA, California.....21:27
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> @MichaelTun Is this what you wanted?23:43
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> (Photo, 1280x724) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/AneS0wOx/file_3788.jpg23:43
IrcsomeBot<acheronuk> as I can do that adding one config file to our settings23:45

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