[00:00] <tsimonq2> wxl: OH with slangasek he just suggested retrying the tests
[00:00] <tsimonq2> wxl: Did you check if he did so?
[00:01] <wxl> @tsimonq2: it's failing upstream. it's highly unlikely that's an issue. it's a random guess at best.
[00:01] <wxl> but feel free to try....
[00:01] <acheronuk> [17:01] <slangasek> acheronuk: if akonadi_sqlite_pop3test is a broken test, how about disabling the test?
[00:01] <acheronuk> [17:03] <acheronuk> slangasek: we are thinking of doing that. just doing some due diligence, as it actually looks a bit more broken in our runs than the upstream results.
[00:01] <tsimonq2> "slangasek> wxl: not specifically, but I would wonder about that test being racy since it's a client-server test, and retry it"
[00:01] <tsimonq2> That's when you asked him.
[00:02] <wxl> i'm aware of that
[00:02] <tsimonq2> So retrying it *should* help.
[00:02] <wxl> *could*
[00:02] <wxl> note "wonder" not "expect"
[00:02] <tsimonq2> But was it *tried*?
[00:02] <wxl> from what i can gather, too, the issue is in a simple login. he's guessing.
[00:03] <wxl> i did not try it, no
[00:03] <tsimonq2> Because you don't have access to in the archive... :P
[00:03] <wxl> i heard "don't know, but here's a random guess" so i just ignored it
[00:03] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: Have you retried those tests?
[00:03] <tsimonq2> wxl: Well that's a common thing with our tests so it *should* have been retried
[00:03] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: did you bother to look at the test retry histories?
[00:03] <tsimonq2> (if it wasn't already)
[00:04] <wxl> dude, it's a login issue
[00:04] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: asking is faster ;P
[00:04] <tsimonq2> wxl: That's *irrelevant*
[00:04] <wxl> if you create a pop3 server on localhost and try to log into it, it's not going to be "racy"
[00:04] <tsimonq2> grr I'm just going to play with it
[00:05] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: yes, but you were suggesting retries as a solution, before you asked, without checking
[00:05] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: meh maybe you're right
[00:05] <tsimonq2> Anyways
[00:05] <wxl> ..and also not hearing the tons of evidence suggesting that's not even an educated guess
[00:05] <tsimonq2> Looking into it
[00:05] <acheronuk> anyway, they have been tried multiple times
[00:06] <acheronuk> fail every time, across all archs
[00:06] <wxl> tl;dr the "solution" was not a good one
[00:07] <wxl> which is why i started looking elsewhere, pouring over both upstream logs and our own, finding that the issue was in the login
[00:07] <wxl> there *IS* a kio error which is strange and doesn't seem to directly relate to the testing code
[00:07] <valorie> btw, shadeslayer does Debian CI afaik
[00:08] <valorie> not sure how much it is used, but they have one 
[00:08] <wxl> so what's left to do but to try to recreate it locally? there's instructions in the autopkgtest docs
[00:08] <tsimonq2> shadeslayer: hi, suggestions welcome
[00:08] <tsimonq2> wxl: Let me go through my usual poking around process
[00:08] <tsimonq2> Give me an hour and I'll come back with something
[00:09] <wxl> of course the most current debian version is like waaaaaaaaaaaaaay old
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[00:09] <acheronuk> valorie: it;t only testing a really old version on debian CI
[00:09] <acheronuk> *it's
[00:09] <wxl> experimental just got their first version >16.0
[00:09] <valorie> huh, I wonder why
[00:09] <wxl> ..4
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[00:16] <acheronuk> on the one hand - it's PIM who's tests are unreliable at the best of times, is the addons package which as the name suggests is not core functionality, we are not going to ship thsi version in the end in artful, so we could skip the test and investigate for 17.12 apps
[00:16] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: You said this exact test was failing in the upstream CI?
[00:16] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: You're referring to the tip of master right?
[00:16] <tsimonq2> No, this is kdepim-runtime...
[00:16] <acheronuk> on the other hand - it could be the symptom of some other issue we need to sort
[00:17] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: whoops.mixing t2 up
[00:17] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: ok so is this failing on the tip of master?
[00:18] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: wait 2 sec for ### sake? :P
[00:18] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: heh sorry
[00:18] <acheronuk> I think it both branches, but I'm double checking...
[00:19] <wxl> this is what you linked me acheronuk https://build.kde.org/job/Applications%20kdepim-runtime%20kf5-qt5%20SUSEQt5.9/42/testReport/junit/(root)/TestSuite/akonadi_sqlite_pop3test/
[00:21] <valorie> did anyone check with the PIM team, say in #kontact or so?
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[00:21] <valorie> they are a fantastic team
[00:21] <tsimonq2> give me time please :P
[00:21] <acheronuk> ok, on build.kde.org, it's failing on BOTH stable and master branch builds
[00:21] <acheronuk> ^^ tsimonq2 wxl 
[00:22] <tsimonq2> ack
[00:22] <tsimonq2> Then let me take a crack at fixing it
[00:22] <wxl> well obviously we're basically stable, but if it's failing a master, then it's Not Fixed™, even by the awesome PIM team :)
[00:22] <acheronuk> sorry. just had to check to make sure I did not get that mixed up
[00:22] <wxl> acheronuk: can you show me how exactly you figured that out?
[00:23] <tsimonq2> wxl: then I'm going to try to fix it...
[00:23] <acheronuk> valorie: I asked in #kontact this morning, no answer
[00:23] <tsimonq2> Or maybe code is actually borked. We'll have to see.
[00:24] <wxl> if you're going to do something i really suggest setting up autopkgtest yourself and playing with the system
[00:24] <wxl> a simple login should be simple
[00:24] <acheronuk> wxl: https://build.kde.org/job/Applications%20kdepim-runtime%20stable-kf5-qt5%20SUSEQt5.9/22/search/?q=kdepim-runtime
[00:24] <wxl> AH
[00:24] <tsimonq2> wxl: I know how to fix autopkgtests.
[00:24] <tsimonq2> I don't need help with my setup. ;P
[00:25] <wxl> there's fixing autopkgtests and then there's tests making incorrect assumptions
[00:25] <wxl> but knock yourself out
[00:26] <wxl> the upstream fails both seem to be heap-use-after-free which, again, is weird.
[00:26] <acheronuk> it is
[00:28] <wxl> what's even weirder is that CacheCleaner appears to have allocated the memory AND tried to reference it after deleting it XD
[00:29] <valorie> sounds like a bug!
[00:30] <wxl> it's almost like some identifier is getting dropped
[00:30] <wxl> perhaps that's why the KIO POP3 slave fails to be created
[00:30] <wxl> or at least i'd expect those to be related somehow
[00:31] <wxl> hey wait
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[00:31] <wxl> we just switched to dbus-session. i wonder if that isn't the issue? i wonder if it Just Works™ without that change
[00:32] <wxl> acheronuk: what was that debian link that we were looking at their patches?
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[00:35] <acheronuk> wxl: I applied those changes to our packaging, and ran a full in a cloud-image vm autotest run
[00:35] <acheronuk> still failed the same way
[00:35] <acheronuk> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kdepim-runtime.git/log/debian/tests
[00:41] <acheronuk> so seems to fail the same with dbus-launch or dbus-run-session
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[00:44] <wxl> ah foo
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[00:48] <acheronuk> I could fire up the test again, and play with it a bit, but getting late here now 
[00:49] <wxl> i guess ultimately i wanted to know if it would work one way if it didn't work the other way and i think you took care of that
[00:49] <acheronuk> if this is still unresolved in the morning (my time) I may try pinging PIM guys again
[00:50] <acheronuk> wxl: yes, I also used the test emulation which is closest to our actual test builds
[00:50] <acheronuk> *buildrs
[00:50] <wxl> ultimately that's a bit of a guess anyways so c'est la vie
[00:56] <acheronuk> may also trying running the tests against KCI stable builds, because as you noted the upstream failure is not the same, but out failure is on a release that is not now testing there
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[00:57] <acheronuk> *our failure
[00:57] <wxl> true but they're both failing on the same test, so that could potentially be circumstantial
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[01:00] <acheronuk> wxl: but whether we still see our mode of failure with those upstream branches tested against KCI, could also be helpful. especially if we find our login issue goes away on say the 17.12 branch
[01:02] <acheronuk> sadly when KDE switched to their new CI, they ditched the old one and it's build history, so I can't check back to see what iot got when it was building 17.08 as the stable branch
[01:04] <acheronuk> it's odd that we are scratching our heads over this, where most distros would not even be here, as they don't run the tests!
[01:05] <acheronuk> but it is what it is :)
[01:06] <wxl> hey speaking of tests did you know that jenkins.ubuntu.com is a thing???
[01:09] <acheronuk> maybe. at least there was one I came across ages ago doing QA stuff. not sure if that is it
[01:10] <wxl> i just learned about this. looks like server is the main user, although ubuntu-sdk aaaaand something else is in there
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[15:04] <acheronuk> wxl: just tried in actaul kmail, and I am able to set up and retrieve mails on a pop3 account
[15:12] <acheronuk> wxl tsimonq2: admittedly, that is with the default mysql backend, not that sqlite one, but hey, our default works
[15:31] <wxl> acheronuk: well that doesn't necessarily test the same assumptions, i.e. their pop3 server may be incorrect built or the login information passed incorrectly
[15:34] <acheronuk> PIM tests rarely do
[15:34] <wxl> rarely do… ?
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[15:50] <acheronuk> adequately test to real world standards. limitations of writing tests for test environments I guess
[16:42] <wxl> well i mean is it possible to test real world environments in an automated fashion? :)
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[17:12] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> !help
[17:12] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Hmmm
[17:13] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> what?
[17:13] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Sorry, I was trying to trigger the bot
[17:13] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> I want to know where the source code is for Our Ubiquity installer
[17:13] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> It doesn't trigger via TG
[17:13] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Oh - Doh !
[17:14] <wxl> actually there's a way to do it 
[17:14] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> installer or slideshow?
[17:14] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Both actually
[17:14] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> The slideshow needs a re-do, but there are some fix-me's also
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[17:15] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Plus, I want to investigate what is possible with the installer
[17:15] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk
[17:16] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Do we patch that then ? or just patch our own slideshow in
[17:16] <wxl> slideshow's in there, no?
[17:16] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html
[17:16] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Genius Rik thanks
[17:16] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> slideshows are in a sepearte source package ;)
[17:17] <wxl> ah
[17:18] <wxl> @Sick_Rimmit apparently you can use "command" to send an IRC msg without nick prefix
[17:18] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Oh OK
[17:18] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> command !help
[17:18] <wxl> like /command !help i think
[17:18] <wxl> it's a telegram slash command
[17:19] <wxl> https://github.com/FruitieX/teleirc/blob/develop/extras/commands.txt
[17:19] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> OK not to worry, I can always use IRC for that stuff
[17:20] <wxl> right. SOME people around here are really hardcore about Telegram, so just helping out :)
[17:23] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Hmm so is there a Kubuntu branch, that holds our slideshow ?
[17:25] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Ah nope
[17:25] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> I got it ignore me, they have there own directory
[17:26] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> No, you make your own on your own LP name, makes changes, and propose a merge
[17:26] <wxl> is pidgin our new default language? XD
[17:28] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> I was playing with Xubuntu, and I thought their slideshow was really good
[17:28] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Plus the links to things worked, and opened up pages in the Live CD's Firefox browser
[17:28] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @ahoneybun is our slideshow HTML master :P
[17:29] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> We need something like this for Kubuntu
[17:29] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> we have something like that
[17:29] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> kinda all that I did last cycle
[17:29] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> When I run the install the links didn't work
[17:29] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> blame the browser then
[17:29] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> not sure why those don't work. which is why I added the test
[17:30] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> OK, well this is really good
[17:31] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> If @ahoneybun is happy to work on Slides Coding, and we get Marketing to come up with a compelling journey, with links to our website and stuff
[17:31] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> mm
[17:32] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> I think the installer is a very important place to catch new people and bring them into the community.
[17:33] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> here is my work from it: https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/artful2
[17:33] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> I think we need someone who does html for a living or day to day to take a look at it
[17:34] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> ok, it's not all that complicated, but needs an extra 'polish'?
[17:34] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @acheronuk, Someone should invite @MichaelTun in here
[17:34] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> He does that sort of thing for a living
[17:34] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Actually that is a great idea
[17:35] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> He's very good at constructing a customer journey
[17:35] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Sorry, time to leave work on they're closing up
[17:36] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @Sick_Rimmit Could you please create an invite link I could send to him?
[17:36] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> I'll put some notes together first, and start a plan in the Phab Wiki, then we'll get something organised to action things
[17:36] <IrcsomeBot> <Sick_Rimmit> Got to go now see you later
[17:36] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Ok
[17:37] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> @tsimonq2, Does he want to come in, as I think I can just add him?
[17:38] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @acheronuk, Lemme ask
[17:40] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @acheronuk, Yep go ahead
[17:41] <IrcsomeBot> MichaelTun was added by: acheronuk
[17:42] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Yo!
[17:44] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> I would find that Robin Williams welcome gif, but no...... it annoys me :P
[17:46] <IrcsomeBot> <MichaelTun> you mean
[17:46] <IrcsomeBot> <MichaelTun> (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/JEOH5mB9/file_3780.mp4
[17:46] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> argggggh. lol
[17:46] <IrcsomeBot> <MichaelTun> deleted to not be "that guy" lol
[17:47] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> no worries, really :)
[17:47] <IrcsomeBot> <MichaelTun> the short gifs bother me as well because they are sooooo repeatative but the longer gifs are fine with me
[17:48] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> ditto. anyway, welcome. Simon said to add you.
[17:54] <IrcsomeBot> <MichaelTun> @acheronuk, he wanted me to give design input on installer which I am happy to do
[17:54] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> well, I'm not sure we are discussing that right this minute, but you are welcome to idle on here
[17:55] <IrcsomeBot> <MichaelTun> I am wondering how open is Kubuntu to redesigning the default breeze theme? I dont mean in terms of KDE's version itself but making a tweak to Kubuntu's offering rather than using the barebones default
[17:55] <IrcsomeBot> <ahoneybun> well we wanted the installer slideshow to be looked at mainly
[17:58] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> @MichaelTun, depends on the extent of the patching, and maintainability. breeze gtk theme moves very slowly upstream, but big deltas to KDE and debian are still not something we really like
[17:59] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @acheronuk, +1
[18:01] <IrcsomeBot> <MichaelTun> @acheronuk, I only want to make one change and this one change will make the default offering SO MUCH BETTER, imo. … Change the Panel and the Menu/Launcher to Breeze Dark. Everything else would stay the same with the light window with Blue titlebar. … This would be a hybrid approach to design and theoretically shouldn't add much work to make it happen
[18:05] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> That is something we could investigate. Having an extra Breeze varient that does that is not too much trouble *I think*.
[18:07] <IrcsomeBot> <MichaelTun> @acheronuk, :) I think this would improve the default appeal of breeze in a huge way and in fact, I think blog/media outlets will jump at the chance to talk about the improvement
[18:08] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @MichaelTun, @acheronuk later after my driving lesson I can work on a POC if we have consensus?
[18:08] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> (not that I need a driving lesson now, I'm already a decent enough driver, just need more practice :P)
[18:09] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> I use the dark, and have never been keen on the light panel since dark became and easy choice
[18:09] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> well, actually mine is transparent, but same thing with my themeing :P
[18:09] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @acheronuk, Totally agreed
[18:10] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> So it's a no brainer to at least do some testing with IMO
[18:11] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> +1
[18:12] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> Clive was wanting to work on a Unity like look and feel as well, but now he has walked, I'm not sure what will happen there
[18:13] <IrcsomeBot> <MichaelTun> @acheronuk, I use dark as well but I dont think dark is best for everyone due to dark artifacts issue but this one thing will increase the appeal of the default in my opinion, especially for those that have their panel viewable at all times. That white-ish panel at all times is very bothersome
[18:13] <IrcsomeBot> <MichaelTun> @acheronuk, he contacted me about it as I created that video essentially doing it a few months ago
[18:14] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @MichaelTun, It would be totally possible to ship something like that as default
[18:14] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> Fwd from tsimonq2: It would be totally possible to ship something like that as an option shipped by default
[18:14] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> @MichaelTun, Agreed. if it is an extra (set to default), so people can swich to the complete light if they prefer, then good
[18:15] <IrcsomeBot> <MichaelTun> @tsimonq2, the stuff I did is a TON of non-conventional changes so it would require a lot of custom stuff to make it work, moving the panels and stuff isn't enough :)
[18:15] <IrcsomeBot> <MichaelTun> @acheronuk, yea that would be ideal
[18:17] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> It would actually be somewhat similar to what Mint KDE has/had!
[18:21] <IrcsomeBot> <MichaelTun> @acheronuk, I haven't seen "Mint KDE" since switching to Plasma 5 but if they did then that's funny
[18:22] <IrcsomeBot> <MichaelTun> oh I see, they changed the color to the cinnamon dark grey panel. That's fine too
[18:22] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> (Photo, 1199x681) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/VxHR6boQ/file_3782.jpg
[18:22] <IrcsomeBot> <MichaelTun> yea that's pretty close
[18:23] <IrcsomeBot> <MichaelTun> good opportunity for those who are going to abandon Mint due to no Plasma option
[18:23] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> exaaaaaaactly......
[18:24] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> @tsimonq2  you see that? I think that is done in there artwork package
[18:26] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> gotta go. back in an hr or 2
[20:34] <shadeslayer> whats the question?
[20:47] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @shadeslayer, Who do I bother for PIM autotest breakage?
[20:48] <shadeslayer> someone on #kdepim ?
[20:48] <shadeslayer> is it a breakage or is it a setup issue
[20:49] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @shadeslayer, Not sure, just failing autopkgtests that also fail on master :P
[20:49] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> wxl has more details iirc
[20:50] <wxl> it appears to be a sertup issue
[20:50] <wxl> in that it sets up a pop3 server and then tries to login and there's a fail
[20:51] <wxl> what's strange is that upstream is seeing a head-use-after-free issue that causes it to fail at approximately the same point but i don't sree this downstream
[21:02] <wxl> email got bounced back uggggghj
[21:05] <wxl> got it
[21:05] <wxl> wrong channel jeez i'm fire today
[21:05]  * wxl facepalms
[21:20] <IrcsomeBot> <tsimonq2> @wxl, "fire" means "really great" in today's lingo ;P
[21:27] <valorie> unless you happen to be in LA, California.....
[23:43] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> @MichaelTun Is this what you wanted?
[23:43] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> (Photo, 1280x724) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/AneS0wOx/file_3788.jpg
[23:45] <IrcsomeBot> <acheronuk> as I can do that adding one config file to our settings