[21:22] <jbicha> ricotz: I don't have gtk2 installed here any more :)
[21:53] <ricotz> jbicha, doesn't seem to be a real system to do some work ;P
[21:54] <jbicha> what do you use gtk2 for?
[21:57] <ricotz> gparted, filezilla, gimp, hexchat, inkscape, ... still quite a list
[21:58] <jbicha> ok, the browsers were the only thing I needed gtk2 for in 2017
[22:00] <jbicha> ricotz: do you use thunderbird?
[22:00] <ricotz> yes
[22:01] <jbicha> what do you think about us finding someone to upload 58 to bionic?
[22:01] <ricotz> huh, no way
[22:01] <ricotz> why?
[22:02] <jbicha> well I want to make sure we get gtk2 off the default install before 18.04's release
[22:02] <jbicha> Firefox 59 gets released around mid-March, not sure how closely Thunderbird will follow
[22:03] <ricotz> I would object pushing mozilla betas to the archive
[22:03] <ricotz> firefox is precisely scheduled though, but thunderbird is not at all
[22:04] <jbicha> which version of Thunderbird are you using now?
[22:05] <ricotz> 57.0 beta 2
[22:05] <ricotz> I haven't got around fixing 58 yet
[22:06] <jbicha> ok, maybe I'll ask again when FF58 gets into bionic later in January, when Thunderbird will probably be the only thing keeping gtk2 in
[22:06] <ricotz> anything before thunderbird 59 won't happen
[22:07] <ricotz> stable releases of thunderbird are 52.x
[22:07] <jbicha> I guess I'm sort of more asking about a thunderbird 59 beta since it's hard to tell when they will drop the beta flag
[22:08] <ricotz> https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar
[22:08] <jbicha> theoretically, it would be nice to give it more testing before we release it to everyone
[22:09] <ricotz> usually a week before the release there will be first buildX tags
[22:10] <jbicha> ok, TB 52 was April 4, about a month late
[22:10] <ricotz> first beta tags for the next series are in the same week of the release
[22:11] <ricotz> but as said thunderbird is not so precisely scheduled as firefox
[22:11] <jbicha> the other issue is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[22:11] <jbicha> but I guess Thunderbird has a standing freeze exception anyway, right?
[22:12] <ricotz> I would say so
[22:12] <ricotz> so I would assume the first thunderbird beta in early February
[22:13] <ricotz> better plan with actual final releases here
[22:13] <jbicha> I would be happy if we could get TB59 in and gtk2 out by Bionic Final Beta (Apr 5)
[22:14] <jbicha> based on last year, TB may not have a final 59.0 build by then
[22:14] <ricotz> so maybe for 18.04.1 then
[22:15] <jbicha> (gtk2 will still be on the iso's anyway because of input methods, same with qt5)