 @onajjar, what is the third option? i have no idea what your screen says :)
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/LB2gKZVa/file_2779.jpg What is the difference between these three options
 https://wiki.ubports.com/wiki/Release-Channels
 @UniversalSuperBox, Thanks a lot ! That’s a lot of help :)  … I think I’ll stick with the stable release
[06:56] <tgBot> Vedat Yüksel was added by: Vedat Yüksel
 @Vedat Yüksel, Hello Vedat and welcome! I'm part of the UBports welcoming team. … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)   … Oh, and in case the number of messages becomes a bit overwhelming, you can subscribe to the News Channel here: https://t.me/ubports_news
 Merhaba Vedat Yüksel. Size Türkçe grup bağlantımızı atmıştım. @UBportsTR türkçe grubumuz. Burası ana grup.
 @bhushanshah, https://github.com/ubports/messaging-app/issues/2
 guys
 im trying to install ubports on my nexus 5
 should i use ubuntu or windows
[11:00] <tgBot> ljgww was added by: ljgww
 could someone guide me through the steps
[11:17] <tgBot> <Gleb Lee 🇸🇨> Node Javascript, you can try on Linux or Windows. Just download app from here: https://ubports.com/page/ubuntu-nexus-5#installubuntu.  … Sorry, but I don't tried this yet so I can't help, but at least this is my 5 cents. Installation must be easy.
 @Gleb Lee 🇸🇨, cool..ill try
 i already have the ubports recovery installed
 on my nexus 5
 @ljgww, Hello kJ and welcome! I'm part of the UBports welcoming team. … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)   … Oh, and in case the number of messages becomes a bit overwhelming, you can subscribe to the News Channel here: https://t.me/ubports_news
 @pooboylinux, Hello to help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 Hi! Thanks for welcome.  … I still need to understand what this project is about what is useful to.
 @ljgww, https://ubports.com/page/about-ubuntu-touch
 How can I join the supergroup from ubuntu touch telegram?
 you must install beta version of telegrom
 I think there’s no way to do that for now ?
 @mimecar, How is that ?
 https://github.com/ubports/telegram-app/releases/tag/v2.5.0
 with that version you can use supergroups
 Me from android telegram
 From ubuntu that present in openstore
 it's a beta version, is not on the open store yet
 Ah ok.
 Can I install over the one I have?
 Without lose data app?
 I think so
 Ok. Thanks a lot
 I'll try
[11:50] <tgBot> <Rocco 3> Yeah, now I'm writing from Ubuntu touch telegram
 1. Is the list of devices for UBports still accurate in FAQ (or there are more options)? … 2. is there an emulator or VBox that this can run on ?
 AFAIK that list is still accurate. And unfortunately there isn't an emulator or virtual image that can be used at the moment.
 Thank your for info.  … IMHO Essentially we need a 'standard' virtai environment, otherwise development is limited only to people who posses adequate devices. Alternatively we need something like MSYS but on wider range of phones.
 I understand that phones are wildly different hardware wise. IMHO this is a reason more to define common ground. Perhaps some of phone producers can go forward and allow specific alternative setups to be available.
 @ljgww, There was an emulator in Canonical days but it is dead slow and rather broken. Used to have i386 images and stuff, which we dont build nowadays anymore. In case someone is interested, the usual Android armhf emulator that comes with the Android SDK mitght be able to get a "port" and then we would have an emulator again. I agree that this would sometimes help developers
 @Flohack, It seems a good idea
 @Flohack, The canonical emulator was the android one afaik with a custom skin. Someone would need to create a port for goldfish for it to run on the emulator.
 yep and in armhf not i386 please ^^
 oh god no. It's insanely slow.
 It is not likely that intel will go down on phones, from the other side arm is more likely candidate to be basic emulator.
 @DanChapman, slower than the current emulator? 😆
 therefore what I would be looking into is arm emulator on desktop
 @Flohack, Yes! it's why they switched to using the i386 images. You could still install the arm image if you wanted it just wasn't recommended
 oki
 But last 3 weeks ago or so I started the old emulator and after 10 mins I got the boot animation or so ^^
 IIRC it took like 10-20 minutes to get to the login screen
 ive seen implementation of intel assembly in JavaScript and linux running on top of that in the browser... at very decent speed. How hard this could be for ARM ?
 Neither were great but i386 was significantly better but still rubbish ^^
 JVM and .NET capitalized on hardware layer isolation (not to mention NT kernel). I am not seeing this in phones (except that Android is built on top of JVM variant).
 @ljgww, Well I agree with Dan since an arm cpu has fundamential differences to i386 you need much more abstraction than simulating intel on top of intel
 that is good point, therefore we need arm like hardware and this is break point. instead of abstract hardware we buy specific phones. Got that.
 Is there any tablets that can run UBport ?
 bq m10
 👍
 @DanChapman, How does it work with ubports? There are bugs or all fine?
 For the time being let me drop an idea that could be explored: to find something like raspbery pi, panda or equvivalent that could kill 2 birds, make base IoT device and allow decent platform for mobile development of OS layer.
 if convergence is still in vision, an unexpected convergence can be a driver. Linux shall be adaptable enough to abstract hardware layer.
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/V9hoqw0O/file_2785.png
 Patience
 Have a coffee :)
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0QBbrlVh/file_2786
 Bingo :)
 @DanChapman, haha
 @ljgww, not quite sure what this idea is about, would you care to elaborate? kill 2 birds with one stone as in how?
 @DanChapman, @ljgww here is your emulator 😆
 @DanChapman, How you did this?
 ```$ sudo ubuntu-emulator create --arch=armhf arm-emu … $ sudo ubuntu-emulator run arm-emu``` … Swith arch for i386 if you want it to at least boot at some point today 😂
 @KrisJacewicz, Idea is about easier software development. Why I would buy a phone just to be able to develop some piece of software. If arm emulation on Intel (we do have PC's where we develop) is hard to achieve, one needs to find hardware where he can run the piece of software. Now. I am thinking about purchasing a phone to toy around with the idea of having Ubuntu on it. But I do not like that idea much. Perhaps better idea would be to get a tablet
[13:14] <tgBot> perhaps a good part of OS and intermediate layers can be developed in the fashion to isolate hardware as much as possible (not down to the metal devel). If I need arm device for that, perhaps it would be more affordable to get arm development board. From my friends in industry arm development boards cost a lot of $$$ so here I am thinking of something that is affordable like raspbery kind of boards. Once one has a Ubunty/Linux layer on something like that the
[13:14] <tgBot> development can cover two areas - such boards can be used in IoT fashion and interact with mobile devices. Development could be based on common apis. Once can develop a good part of mobile application on such board and then just eventually develop UI part for the mobile.  Hope this is enough elaboration...
 you have Ubuntu Core on IoT
 the problem is on mobile devices
 Ah yes... Ubuntu Core. Tried to run this. Failed. Have no appropriate hardware. Thought I could run it virtually.
 @mimecar, care to explain ?
 you have development boards for Ubuntu Core
 on mobile, you have current phones and tablets
 no new devices from OEMs
 @mimecar, No, I expected I could run Ubuntu Core eventually in a custom cloud.
 @ljgww, there's qemu/kvm images for ubuntu core
 @DanChapman, Yes tried that, but the current PC do not have virtualization bios facilities to run 64bit images. I have some other PC hardware which may support that (need to find time to assemble that)
 @ljgww, I dont see the problem, you can develop your app mostly on Desktop if needed. I do this for Telegram for example. Can be built for i386 Desktop and for armhf mobile. Certain features dont work, but it is not mandatory to have a phone for development
 @Flohack, What do you use for development? (language, framework...)
 you can use Ubuntu IDE with QML + JavaScript or QML + C
 @ljgww, Its C++/QML mixed. I edit the files in the old SDK, but only as editor, compile with batch file, and debug with Eclipse lol
 @ljgww, well I myself have been doing native ARM development off raspberry pi for years, and now also off UT phones (or Mobile Plasma phones). … I never liked nor understood why in the era when AR< became more powerful than my 1st ever PC was, almost all of software develompment for ARM still depends on cross-compilation. I totally dislike this, and I have been doing, what I think, you are suggesting. If I understand you right, that is, which
[13:27] <tgBot> why I'm asking. … I have DEV tools (compielrs, IDEs, etc) installed on my raspberry Pi and on my UT phones. I design, compile and deploy all of my software natively with this setup.  … Currently I am also working on software for all of these platform plus desktop standrd versions of Ubuntu (so PC/laptop + single board computers + phablets) that will allow all of them to see ach other, and coexist in an ecosystem, that can also double as a build farm for c
[13:27] <tgBot> As for emulating ARM on PC, it is actually pretty solid. Especially if you do not go to qemu-kvm with very limited RAM capabilities (256M max) but instead use architectural chroot with statically built qemu. That is how I literally boot the SD card out of my raspberry pi on my ubuntu desktop. Gets even faster if I dd the sd card into a image file onto my SSD drive on my desktop and then boot it. This leaves nothing to wish for really. It is rather the other w
[13:27] <tgBot> x86 emulation on ARM that I'm looking forward to better up. And it's coming bigs steps. Already some progress in this area has happened and more is on the horizon, in terms of emulation speeds, with some claims that it'll be possible to run emulated x86 programs on ARM with close to native speeds. … So I wonder if this what I describet, what I have been doing for long now, is what your idea is about, or I'm missing some.
 Heard of Ubuntu IDE but never saw it running.
 It's working on 16.04
 and it has some funny bugs 😃
 @ljgww, you have a development course => https://www.gitbook.com/book/mimecar/ubuntu-touch-programming-course/details
 and one virtual machine with all the tools ready for development
[13:30] <tgBot> reacher_mu was added by: reacher_mu
 @KrisJacewicz, WHat's wrong with cross-compiling? What takes me 10 mins to cross compile for arm takes 30 to 40  mins plus natively on an arm device. I know which i prefer ^^
 @KrisJacewicz, Kris, thank you for this explanation. I wish that there were more ARM being a desktop, and perhaps having what you say i386 emulators for porting. Unfortunately I am not seeng that either. From my limited viewpoint i am seeing ARM in car's infotainments, mobiles, tablets, obscure ideas for home devices, but not desktops. Perhaps that is change we need to see yet.
 @DanChapman, don't missunderstand me, the cross-compiling itelf has its own perks. But I dislike that it is almost a norm. And I don't get it. Since everything is a trade-off, cross-compilation is no different: you may get faster compilation times, but at the expense of other overhead elsewhere like: … - need for setting up cross-bin-utils … - need for emulators, or deploying to ARM hw by cable/wifi … - no direct anative debugging, instea
[13:35] <tgBot> emulator, or remote debugging from ARM device over cable/wifi … - all the overhead for the dev tools, ide, etc wha not, while natively on device you just install dev tools, and go
 @reacher_mu, :)  … welcome!
 @ljgww, that is because you are not aware of huge community running desktop off single board computers. Raspberry pi model 3 and other signle board computers with this much or more specs, are powering desktop for hundreds of thousands of people. There are communities dedicated to that, I partake in some.  … While Ubuntu Core is targetted at headless systems including IoT, but another major OS on raspberry is Ubuntu Mate. It's just like normal
[13:38] <tgBot> Desktop Ubuntu for PC, but on ARM. I run this on my raspberry pi, and it's basically a desktop, seriously if I send u a screenshot you won't be able to tell at all. It's crazy popular too.
 I am even using Synergy from Symless on my raspi, it's amazing, I have 3 monitors side by side, 2 of which are from my powerful Ubuntu PC, one is from raspi, and they all work seamlessly as one big desktop because with Synergy I have one kvm (keyboard/mouse virtual switch) and shared clipboard across all. I use my mouse like raspi and Ubuntu are one long desktop. I sometimes add 4th screen with WIndows to it. Amzaing!
 @KrisJacewicz, I guess it's time for me to get away from PC :)
 Essentially this means moving to altogether new development platform
 before I installed all my dev tools onto the UT phone, I was using raspi to make my apps. Now I run my IDE off of the UT phone and it works very very good, this is IDE I use for making apps on my desktop but running off of my UT phone:
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc.ubports.com/0tMuhyzR/file_2788.jpg
 it's over ssh with x forwarding, I used to do the same thing from my raspi, but now I prefer UT phone, because I can carry it with me, unlike the raspi
 now I'm at home, but when I'm at work, during lunch time I run the very same IDE off of my phone onto my desktop at work and continue just where I left off
 then come home and continue where I left off
 and so on
 super amazingly convenient
 and although not so convenient with the OSK, but if I really want to, when I'm commuting I can even do this right on my phone itself, the exact same IDE:
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Tj0SJl0h/file_2790.jpg Nexus 5
 that is why currently UT for me is the most amazing thing ever
 even thought I already could have desktop from my raspi, but UT sits in my pocket, and goes wherewer I go
 @reacher_mu, Hello @reacher_mu and welcome! I'm part of the UBports welcoming team. … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)   … Oh, and in case the number of messages becomes a bit overwhelming, you can subscribe to the News Channel here: https://t.me/ubports_news
 I hv lots of traditional desktop apps on my UT, not so that I can use them on-device, but so that I can use them on a desktop remotely over ssh, this is what makes UT of amazing value to me
 @Rocco, Do not update from OpenStore or you will wipe the beta and lose access to the supergroups again
 @KrisJacewicz, Kris, this is very interesting for me. I guess you
 @wilder_Hund, There are bugs with UT in general but the tablet works very nicely
[15:14] <tgBot> <demokrit atomos> @ljgww, I think he already did document it, check out the blog it's really interesting stuff to read!! http://kriscode.blogspot.de/?m=1
 @ljgww, I publish a lot already on kriscode.blogspot.com
 @demokrit atomos, ah yes :)
 @ljgww, yes and the main reason for me using Lazarus is that while the IDE itself is based of Delphi (one of the best IDEs for visual RAD to date) it is also cross-platform (the IDE itself, which is still rare). I don't think there really is a better IDE available on NIXes: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-IDE-for-Linux/answer/Krzysztof-Kamil-Jacewicz?srid=uKbMW
 I write my app only 1 time, then I open it up in Lazarus on any OS and can compile natively in it.
 - It's way faster than working with multiple dev tools for different OSes,  … - Personally I find it easier on the visual UI designing than other alternatives, including mentionned Ubuntu SDK, … - while qt+qml is also cross-platform, but qt is not default on many platforms, and thus a qt app depends on adding qt widgetset to the OS, with Lazarus I don't need to base my apps on QT, although it still is an option … - and related to the prev
[15:25] <tgBot> link my app against multiple widgetsets, I just choose one from a list, and my app recompiles linked against that chosen one, no need to change anything in the code.
 @demokrit atomos, Thanks for the pointer will read it
 gah. when people break up a single comment on telegram into multiple paragraphs
 I have begun documenting it on ubports wiki: https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/index.html#clickable … I will update it as soon as time permits, possibly next weekend
 @dohbee, I could make an effort to always remember about avoiding doing so, but I'd like to understand why it's a problem?
 @KrisJacewicz, it makes it very hard to reply to a single point in the middle. and it really makes it impossible to properly follow any discussion, for people connecting through irc
 seems like maybe the irc channel should be changed so nobody can talk in it really, and everyone gets directed to join via telegram or matrix
 @dohbee, Did not know that irc has replying mechanism
 @dohbee, the point about irc is something I never thought of before, you just brought it to my attention
 although if matrix is just bridged to irc instead of tg, i guess it'd probably be awful there too
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/KlqX6J0w/file_2792.jpg
 @ljgww, well just "foo: reply is here" really, but it doesn't have formatting or pictures, and very long lines get broken up really ugly
 basically irc bridges on slack/rocket/tg/everything else are generally awful because nobody using these apps gives any thought to people on irc and how it is to view the conversation from there
 @dohbee, So long tractats are not welcome only sweet and short
 @ljgww, more as like this is a chat room, not a lecture hall. it'd be nice if more people took consideration in their commentary as to facilitate conversation from all connected parties
 Got that-- be gently to irc ppl
 @KrisJacewicz have you any thoughts or experience with this? https://www.gitbook.com/book/mimecar/ubuntu-touch-programming-course/details
 Thank for all for wonderful conversation. Need to go to program some food. Cu around.
 @dohbee, who uses irc?  why do we need it?  i thought we decided we can do just fine here in telegram until Umatriks is rocking...
 @wayneoutthere, then do as i said and make the irc channel so that people can't just talk in it, kill the bridge, and point everyone who joins the channel to join telegram/matrix
 @exar_kun, I'll look into it and share my thought. No experience so far.
 there have been people who come onto irc and just ask questions, multiple times, and they basically get drowned out by the noise. not to mention there's no way to know on here if IRC users have left the room or not
 if i open telegram and see someone from irc asked a question, i have no idea if it's even appropriate to reply, because they could be gone already. i have to go to irc to see if they're still around before replying
 but either way, even without IRC bridging, all the points i made are still relevant
 @dohbee did you work with repowerd and the hardware enablement terribly much?
 @exar_kun, I just skimmed thru it, it looks really good, all explained with screenshots, and I like it. Personally I am going to stick to Lazarus, but I would totally recommend this course to others, and I didn't even know it was made - some great piece of  work if you ask me!
 @dohbee, yes, i hear you about monologues
 There you go. Don't abuse it. :)
 (delete the command saying / names)
 And delete the command after you use it because clicking blue text immediately sends it
 @dohbee, that's why focus groups are good
 ninja'd
 otherwise blue text.. I must click.. ;)
 @UniversalSuperBox, not really, no. repowerd was all alf
 Any ideas for troubleshooting it? The system obviously recognizes that I'm pressing the power button but repowerd doesn't say or do anything
 Via CLI I can find that repowerd can control the screen.
 @bhushanshah does pm use repowerd?
 @UniversalSuperBox, repowerd itself doesn't handle the power button. iirc, unity8 is what handles it, and then tells repowerd to sleep or whatever
 Ahah...
 @UniversalSuperBox no
 @UniversalSuperBox which device is it though?
 Moto G5 Plus, potter
 have you chown'd brightness file/
 @wayneoutthere, sidebar (ephemeral) channels are also not great. neither is overly strict enforcement of being "on topic"
 @UniversalSuperBox `ls -l /sys/class/leds/lcd-backlight` please
 @UniversalSuperBox, does holding down the power button for a few seconds bring up the power dialog? you might just need to tweak a udev rule
 @bhushanshah, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root
 Linked to... wow.
 and brighness file inside it?
 how is it "obvious" that the system recognizes power button press?
 @dohbee, I held the power button and force rebooted it... Whops.
 @dohbee, ```[  329.014787] Report pwrkey press event at: 2017-12-06 22:10:42 UTC … [  329.199226] Report pwrkey release event at: 2017-12-06 22:10:42 UTC```
 I think power button is fine, just brightness control is not working
 which means no screen shutting down
 I need to wait for it to decide to booot...
 well if the power dialog doesn't pop up, then unity8 didn't recognize the press
 even if the kernel did
 which could mean something might need tweaked in udev (or another bug in the unity8 stack somewhere, i forget how exactly it gets the event)
 evdev/libinput maybe?
 Evdev recognizes it on event0 as KEY_POWER
 (totally noob here about unity code btw)
 if you push the button and screen goes black but backlight is still on, that's a different problem, as that should indicate unity8 got the event and told the device to sleep
 Nothing happens
 which means you should have seen repowerd do something
 Power dialog doesn't appear
 if nothing happens at all when you press, then unity8 isn't getting the event for some reason
 maybe check unity8.log to see if it says anything when you press it?
 Nothing in unity8.log
 What udev rules may I need to change?
 i'm not sure really. if it comes up as KEY_POWER, maybe udev is not right. i was just guessing that maybe it wasn't assigned correctly, so a udev rule would be how to fix that
 but since it's KEY_POWER, that might not be relevant
 anyway, i need to get food and stuff now
 @dohbee, what's your proposed perfect world.  Would love to hear it
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/JXtXxYUx/file_2794.png
 The UBports Community Update is going live in just under two hours! … Get the lastest info on the news channel now! … https://t.me/ubports_news
 (Photo, 1280x719) https://irc.ubports.com/Zvw16S5x/file_2796.jpg
 try removing the ?m=1 from the URL, and force desktop version,  might solve the problem.
 @KrisJacewicz, Nope. Noticed something else: It is not you it seems some blogspot geolocation - it tries to serve local mirror. Address moves from http://kriscode.blogspot.com/ to http://kriscode.blogspot.com.mt/
 then when it moves to another address content disappears.
 @wayneoutthere, no such thing as perfect. but people hitting "send" more often instead of writing long monologues, and using less unnecessary images/videos would certainly help.
 basically just want people to consider other endpoints (not everyone is on gigabit or unlimited data cellular service), and let people be people (don't over-moderate), and things tend to work out
 as long as people aren't violating the CoC, or spamming and going on all the time, moderators really shouldn't do anything.
 if people complain because they're always backlog of conversation, then chat rooms probably aren't suited for what they want anyway
 Also one thing I would personally love is if the welcome messages are shorter.. it makes easier to scroll through backlog/chat log
 all comments appreciated
 @bhushanshah, +1 I see the value but it can create overwhelming noise if it is a busy days for joins
 the welcome part is mission critical but we'll talk about this.
 another reason why i just prefer IRC to web chats
 IRC networks have services, and it's totally appropriate to have a bot notice people joining the channel
 which keeps the message out of public notice
 New chapter of the programming course, I'll upload source code later. Author Fulvio Russo
 https://mimecar.gitbooks.io/ubuntu-touch-programming-course/content/en/chapter-05-s02.html
 it's a temperature logger with QML, JavaScript, SQLite and Charts
 @dohbee, we wont' be using bots here in telegram - tried that
 well telegram is not suited to that anyway
 afaik there's no equivalent of IRC's notice/warn stuff in telegram
 it's ironic that they don't want bots sending unsolicited PMs, but every time the app updates i get a new chat from Telegram telling me all the useless info i don't care about
 @dohbee, I think a human touch is worth a lot as well.  I doubt I would have ever become a part of UBports without it.
 @Crash_Burn, after the initial message perhaps. seeing the same people saying the same thing every time someone joins, and just replacing the name in it, makes it feel like they are robots anyway.
 To you perhaps...what about the new member? We should have some follow up surveys to find out?
 @dohbee, Put a simple link for them.
 link for what?
 Maybe its the new logo with Welcome message! Lol... One message over a couple hours and this is a big problem?
 Communication is key and we are listening! We will review our options and see what we can come up with. Thanks everyone!
 people joining via IRC don't get the special welcoming message. i presume people on the matrix bridge don't either?
 @dohbee, https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 it wasn't clear if Cesar was saying to send that link instead, or if he was telling me to put a link for something
 @dohbee, To a page where it is explained everything may be interesting for a new one.
 @Cesar_Herrera, the welcome message pretty much does exactly that. nobody is complaining about the content of the welcome messages.
 @dohbee, But the link with few words.
 less words
 @mimecar, awesome all the things you do. we should have a link to your blog in doc.ubports.com
 two latest chapter are a collaboration, I've translated both chapters from english
 the other chapters are developped from scratch
 @Crash_Burn, same
 @dohbee, those peopple are 'irc people' and they don't expect humans
 anyway, we wont' be doing bots and we will be doing 'human'
 @wayneoutthere, what an inappropriate and unfounded statement
 There are RSS bots in Matrix, and they just completely destroy chats in some cases.. … Some bots can be beneficial, but some bots can be bad, and it also depends on who's interacting with, or who the bot is talking to.
 Welcome messages don't bother me but an alternative approach would be the website to point to the welcome room instead of this and there tell people the basics and point them to join this room as well
 @Stereofont, Thx. Can i install LO calc or is there a app, which can share data with LO calc?
[18:46] <dio_> Hey, do i need to port halium 7.1 to use ubports 16?
[18:48] <dio_> ?
 Join us live in the UBports Community Q&A: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpxfocWl0Zc
 listening
 @mariogrip when will UBports T-Shirts be available? :P
 @Flohack system-image server was using it before on official images
 @dohbee, Could it send updates for OTA or so?
 yeah, it sent a push when new image was available, and push-helper on the phone would trigger download with system-image-dbus or whatever, and when download finished the local notification would pop up on the phone
 it was a broadcast push notification
 Cool. yes we can maybe do the same thing
 but that and telegram are really the only useful things that used it
 If we could find the target application and format of json then I can try on devel
 @mariogrip going back to xenial, when will prebuilt HTC10/OP3 images be our? (yep, again)
 16.04 still has Unity, 18.04 not.
 18.04 has unity7 it in universe still, but unity8 was removed from archives during 17.10
 switching to systemd is really hard
 @dohbee, in what sense, and for which device?
 @ajyotirmay, it's not a device specific issue. it's an infrastructure issue. we were moving to systemd for the all snap based system and having unity8 as the default system on PCs, but it wasn't completed
 https://list.ubports.com/pipermail/ubports-community/
 and in that work, we were also removing click support
 so keeping click and switching to systemd will make some things a bit harder
 meritocracy?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/JeTKsMAu/file_2797.mp4
 @neothethird Jan
 Fwd from vanyasem: @mariogrip when will UBports T-Shirts be available? :P
 i will address this to you
 @vanyasem, it's comming :) news first
 screw that, t-shirts rule
 😝
 that's what wikis were for
 oh no
 \o/
 has anyone tested the 5X yet @UniversalSuperBox ?
 i am not aivan, i am eevan @mariogrip :
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/NOPZiAtN/file_2799.jpg This is how you have to watch UB live stream, pizza and popcorns 😜
 @Dohxis, 🤣👍
 @vanyasem, hey ... do you know @mariogrip it's always right? (joke man joke don't get man)
 @Dohxis, OHH WOWWWW
 double e van sounds nice :D
 @ebetonro, That right there is 100% correct :)
 @vanyasem, Like the double Irish tax fraud ^^
 that's the best comparasion ive heard so far
 comparing me to irish tax fraud
 lol
 ^^
 Where I can read about the milestones set for the OTA3?
 @ebetonro, https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/milestones
 thy
 My numer three: Camera issues (on hammerhead).
 50% of OTA3
 @nfsprodriver, +1
 "I want to believe"  !! ;P
 About memory: After using a mem intensive app like OSMScout, after some time it crashes and mem keeps bloated. I need to reboot device. We may need a background service refreshing the ram.
 @Flohack i always get paper boarding passes at airport, for security anyway, even with android on a device with 3 gb. :)
 ram = mem = memory :$
 @dohbee, haha and I need them for bookkeeping actually my company requires this. But I mostly print them from email, and this I forget very often
 @nfsprodriver, there's no need for any service. looking at memory usage in top or such is not especially useful if you don't understand how memory works in linux kernel
 @nfsprodriver, Yeah maybe it leaks memory. Qt upgrade might help lets see on 16.04 ;)
 So excited for the furture of Ubuntu Touch... nice work guys.
 thx ❤️
 X11 apps? @KrisJacewicz is the right guy 👍
 someone needs to put the libertine scope in the open store
 Hope that this is not downer question. But after listening for a while I wander how all of this actually work business wise. As far as I understood, this is not afilliated to Canonical.
 @dohbee, I see. … Sorry, I'm not really aware of the projects or how well they get along with each other, so I really do not understand any of it right now
 https://liberapay.com/UBports
 @LarreaMikel, this, thanks
 @LarreaMikel, Thank you
 ;)
 passion doesn't pay the bills though :)
 https://api-docs.ubports.com/
 @dohbee, Agreed ^^
 Best is to get a passionate guy who we can also support by paying him for his work maybe
 I have tried to do a little translation of the life Community update to Catalan (a bit dirty and only 96.4% correct) … https://t.me/UBports_ca/85
 Ahh catalunya. Hope things change for your country mu friend :)
 @Seannyboy, I'm from «next door» but I also hope that they get what they decide to do with their country. There's so much lies flying around and misinformation that sometimes is difficult to have a clear image of what is happening (specially if you can't read media from outside of Spain).
 Congrats everyone. We just passed 25.000 devices. stats.ubports.com
 Are there still issues with the battery life?
 @dohbee, Is Libertine in use in any other part of the Ubuntu community? If Yunit picked up would it even be of use to them?
 @padraic7a, not sure i understand the relevance
 @cibersheep, Yeah, the first lie is that there isn't any political prisioner. They're just politicians that broke the Constitution
 What do you guys think of Librem5?
 i think it's mostly a nice idea
 For now just an idea
 And a mockup
 no it's a funded product with preorders. they're building it.
 Ok but for now theres nothing to see, not evem the hardware prototype or the os demo
 people should be getting dev kits for it, in 6 months
 the hardware isn't finalized yet
 look at the schedule
 Neither the os
 well if a nuclear war breaks out in southeast asia, it's going to be a lot longer before it happens, too
 what's your point?
 @vanyasem I saw the ping but not the question. What's up?
 has anyone tested the 5x yet?
 @dohbee, Just wondering if anyone outside Ubports is likely to continue developing it.
 i don't know. it's useful for certain types of os installs similar to ubuntu phone images. it's good for some things even in traditional style installs, too. but most things in the stack on the phone images are unlikely to continue being developed outside ubports
 @vanyasem, No
 @aarroyoc, It so humiliating. They try to make us believe that we are stupid and we cannot read. … More lies: referendum didn't happen, manifestant are violent, independentist hates Spain, there is no victims from 1st Oct, police were not abusing of their power... etc, etc, etc.
 @cibersheep, For some it's just the 1st Oct, but in my opinion the Spanish government should have put Puigdemont and others in prison before that. I agree that violence is not the answer but breaking the law and try to justify yourself isn't also. However, I'm also going to stop, not the place
 you can go to OT group ^^
 @cibersheep, Not this the appropriate forum. Sorry.
 Only say one thing about this issue: 21N. And after "ya veremos"
 @David_Gamiz_Jimenez, Not the proper place. Sorry XD
 @cibersheep, 👌🏼
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/MhqW9UVU/file_2800.mp4
 @KrisJacewicz, Kris.. which libraries installed to develop for UTILITY?
 UT
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 @UniversalSuperBox, I fetched the sources for it
 so I'm doing it for real this time
 had some real life issues
 hi, why this error? I try using terminal for install Ubports from Canonical. hunter@hunter-MS-7528:~$ sudo ubuntu-device-flash —server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch —device=arale \--channel=15.04/stable —bootstrap —recovery-image=recovery-arale.img … unknown flag `recovery-image'
 @wilder_Hund, @wilder_Hund There is an app called - amazingly - 'Spreadsheet' 😁
 @Hunter616, What version of the tool is this?
 @Hunter616, could you try using this ppa ` sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa`
 then `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-device-flash`
 @mariogrip, i try to install from Lubuntu 15.04 after "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-device-flash"
 @Hunter616, Yeah, it seems to be a older verison that does not have —recovery-image included, but the ppa is a bit newer
 @Roujin13, Hello Junior and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @mariogrip, I add ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa but not work
 You might want to consider installing a newer version of Ubuntu
 @Hunter616, did you do `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-device-flash` after adding that?
 15.04 is out of support
 OK
 which for example?
 install 16.04
 @Stereofont, Okay, i'll try it. Thx. 😁
 @dohbee, ah ok I will try it!👍