| basilarchia | alkisg, thanks! I'll try those. (I think I will still have to build from the AMD dev tree head to get HDMI sound to work) | 05:38 |
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| basilarchia | it's a sad state of affairs that no one can install linux on pretty much any machine sold at target, best buy, costco, etc and not even have sound | 05:38 |
| basilarchia | (this is not a complaint, I understand and agree with the bocking of the kernel merge. it's just unfortunate. anyway, that is water under the damn. it seems to have been worked out) | 05:40 |
| basilarchia | alkisg, thanks. the 4.15.0-041500rc2-generic booted ok. still no HDMI sound even with amdgpu.dc=1 but well, that could be anything still being wrong. maybe the files in /lib/firmware/ | 06:02 |
| alkisg | basilarchia: did you also install the -extra package that has all the modules? | 07:38 |
| alkisg | There are two packaging methods in the mainline ppa, first: one smaller kernel e.g. 20 mb and an extra of e.g. another 20 mb, | 07:38 |
| alkisg | and second: one big kernel of e.g. 40 mb | 07:38 |
| alkisg | Check you package size... | 07:39 |
| basilarchia | alkisg, there isn't an -extra package in http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.15-rc2/ | 08:07 |
| basilarchia | the kernel boots, video works, machine appears to be fine, it's just still not able to do sound over HDMI | 08:08 |
| basilarchia | I'm trying on a different box that has a slightly different AMD video card | 08:08 |
| diogenes_ | basilarchia, did you look in pavucontrol? | 08:09 |
| basilarchia | nope, never heard of it. I'll google it | 08:09 |
| basilarchia | ah, ya, there were some threads about pulseaudio working in some case | 08:10 |
| diogenes_ | basilarchia, install pavucontrol | 08:10 |
| basilarchia | cases. but asound -l isn't showing the HDMI port I don't think. | 08:10 |
| diogenes_ | open it and go to configure tab | 08:10 |
| basilarchia | I'll give it a shot. | 08:10 |
| basilarchia | well, it looks like it's kinda just showing the same information you can see with alsamixer or /dev/snd/ or asound -l | 08:12 |
| basilarchia | the issue here I think is that all newer AMD video cards don't work with HDMI sound out | 08:12 |
| basilarchia | I bought like 10 different boxes from target, bestbuy, costco, etc. none of them work | 08:13 |
| basilarchia | well, except for the one with an intel GPU. that one works great | 08:13 |
| basilarchia | also, google chrome doesn't support 3D acceleration direction, but firefox does, but that is another matter all together | 08:13 |
| basilarchia | I'm pretty sure I need the right kernel here | 08:14 |
| basilarchia | the good thing is I have a shit ton of different boxes to try | 08:14 |
| basilarchia | diogenes_, well, there is a configuration section in pavucontrol | 08:16 |
| basilarchia | the tab was hidden by the default display size of the window | 08:16 |
| basilarchia | it has more HDMI options perhaps (?) | 08:16 |
| alkisg | basilarchia: yeah that's the big, single type image that includes all the modules | 08:16 |
| basilarchia | they must not be building it for mainline-ppa | 08:17 |
| alkisg | I've heard about amd upstreaming hdmi sound support for some cards recently | 08:17 |
| alkisg | Did you also try the -tip one? | 08:17 |
| alkisg | http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/ | 08:18 |
| basilarchia | alkisg, ya, HDMI sound support is supposedly working in the AMD kernel dev's tree | 08:18 |
| diogenes_ | basilarchia, that's one of the reasons it is not advisable to buy AMD chips if you intend to run linux, best config for linux is intel and nvidia | 08:18 |
| basilarchia | git://people.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/linux | 08:18 |
| basilarchia | fuck nvidia. those worthless cocksuckers can rot in hell | 08:18 |
| alkisg | +1, but not with that wording :P | 08:18 |
| basilarchia | AMD is doing totally free drivers now. (CEO) | 08:18 |
| basilarchia | (CEO has proclaimed it) | 08:19 |
| diogenes_ | hehe which don't work | 08:19 |
| basilarchia | they are _going_ to work | 08:19 |
| basilarchia | the point is AMD is doing it, nvidia is never going to do it | 08:19 |
| basilarchia | so, no, I disaggree completely. I've waited 20 damn years for AMD or nvidia to do the right thing here. AMD is finally doing it | 08:20 |
| basilarchia | so ya, I'll build the upstream kernels. someone else will need to figure out why google chrome doesn't hook into mesa correctly | 08:21 |
| * alkisg prefers intel wherever he can; amd only for kids doing dual boot windows gaming + linux for work; nvidia => nah | 08:21 | |
| diogenes_ | ok then let's wait for another half of our super short life until amd gets them working and when it finally does, there will be no us, is that better? I don't agrree, I want to live and enjoy my computing now, today, that's why I have to choose what works now | 08:21 |
| basilarchia | steam games are working well, actually, all these AMD boxes are working well | 08:22 |
| basilarchia | and the AMD video bug on boot works on this mainline-ppa kernel with amdgpu.dc=1 enabled | 08:22 |
| basilarchia | so it seems like it's more or less fixed for god | 08:22 |
| basilarchia | good | 08:22 |
| alkisg | What's that video bug? | 08:22 |
| basilarchia | kernel messages / display get's corrupted on boot at 4K resolution | 08:23 |
| basilarchia | probably other resolutions too but I only really have 4K monitors right now to test on | 08:23 |
| basilarchia | and ya, yes, on almost every AMD card that is being sold | 08:23 |
| basilarchia | which makes giving people ubuntu-mate.org pretty useless unfortunately until this is fixed out of the box | 08:24 |
| basilarchia | which should be easy enough now that all the heavy lifting has been done by the kernel guys | 08:24 |
| alkisg | Hehe, I'm glad that I only have old cards around :D | 08:24 |
| basilarchia | it does make things easier indeed | 08:25 |
| basilarchia | the purism librem 15 laptop works flawlessly | 08:25 |
| basilarchia | diogenes_, I'm totally with you man on the practical nature of using nvidia to get 3D working in the past, that is _NO LONGER THE CASE_ | 08:28 |
| basilarchia | these AMD drivers totally rock. I'm switching absolutely everything over | 08:29 |
| basilarchia | these machines are running untainted kernels with full 3D support | 08:29 |
| basilarchia | the only remaining issue for me is the HDMI sound & google chrome not find it. both those are more or less easily fixable. | 08:29 |
| basilarchia | and I can use firefox for webgl in the meantime anyway | 08:30 |
| diogenes_ | basilarchia, whenever I'll see a system76 with amd I'll buy it, it will mean the full support has finally arrived | 08:30 |
| basilarchia | for that matter, it's nice to use firefox again because I feel I've been neglecting an old friend | 08:30 |
| basilarchia | This is so recent, I assume they haven't tried the cards. Also, if they did try them, then HDMI sound didn't work so they probably went WTF. | 08:31 |
| basilarchia | I'm buying more hardware from them this week so I'll remind them to AMD cards | 08:32 |
| diogenes_ | ok | 08:32 |
| basilarchia | You just gave me a goal to have them add AMD before the end of the year. | 08:32 |
| diogenes_ | hehe come with a feedback on how it went | 08:32 |
| basilarchia | won't have to. they'll add it to the order page | 08:38 |
| basilarchia | diogenes_, is there a way within pavucontrol to try to play an audio file? | 08:47 |
| basilarchia | diogenes_, I opened a sales ticket with system76. sometimes you just have to ask nicely | 08:47 |
| diogenes_ | never heard of that | 08:47 |
| diogenes_ | they can pack it for you specifically but they won't offer is on their page | 08:49 |
| basilarchia | it sounds like you already tried this? or you work there ;) | 08:50 |
| basilarchia | or know something I don't. but I'll give it a shot again | 08:51 |
| basilarchia | I can't imagine why they would care | 08:51 |
| basilarchia | unless nvidia is paying them to care | 08:51 |
| diogenes_ | it's a marketing strategy you offer only what passes the tests | 08:52 |
| basilarchia | I'm sure their burn-in strategy is the same as everyone else's. marketing strategy at this point is whatever people are willing to buy | 08:53 |
| diogenes_ | otherwise you gonna get an avalanche of returns back and ask for a refund | 08:53 |
| basilarchia | I doubt it. returns probably are unlikely to be a big problem for them | 08:54 |
| * diogenes_ is away | 08:54 | |
| basilarchia | ubuntu-mate is the first distribution I've used on the desktop in 10 years that didn't suck | 08:55 |
| mandje | basilarchia, so it blows? | 09:16 |
| basilarchia | not at all. it's awesome | 09:20 |
| basilarchia | for real. everyone that worked on this did a great job | 09:21 |
| basilarchia | IMHO | 09:21 |
| basilarchia | alkisg, the mainline-ppa kernel does fix HDMI sound out when amdgpu.dc=1 is set | 09:44 |
| basilarchia | so thanks for that pointer. I don't have to build a kernel from the AMD head which is nice | 09:45 |
| alkisg | Nice indeed :) | 09:46 |
| basilarchia | that also fixes the video corruption on boot | 09:46 |
| basilarchia | now to see how stable it is | 09:47 |
| cranston | hello | 13:08 |
| cranston | need help setting up video drivers for ubuntu mate on my raspberr pi3 | 13:10 |
| NoCode | Issue: Installed KeePass2, when minimizing to tray, icon doesn't appear and the notification applet malfunctions. The icon beside it(hexchat) looks all buggered. killall mate-panel && mate-panel restores the panel without KeePass2 there. | 16:56 |
| NoCode | Now I just have KeePass2 minimizing to Window List. | 16:57 |
| NoCode | 17.10 as well. | 16:58 |
| alkisg | NoCode: why keepass2 instead of keepassx? | 17:11 |
| alkisg | keepass2 uses mono? meh :D | 17:12 |
| NoCode | What other differences are there? | 17:13 |
| NoCode | I'd love to avoid mono for sure. but.. I've used KeePass2 for a while now | 17:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | You should use 16.04 LTS for RPi | 17:33 |
| alkisg | NoCode: I don't know the keepass2 vs keepassx differences, because I haven't used keepass2 | 17:42 |
| alkisg | keepassx works fine for me | 17:42 |
| NoCode | SOmeone just told me KeePassX is already forked by KeePassXC now. | 17:43 |
| Khan89 | sorry to bump mid conversation but... KeePass has forked?? :O :O | 17:45 |
| m4t | keepass2 is mono/c# and looks really crappy now, i switched to keepassx which is QT and you can set some env variables to make it match your gtk desktop | 18:16 |
| m4t | QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=gtk2 | 18:16 |
| m4t | QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2 | 18:16 |
| m4t | no plugins in keepassx tho :( | 18:17 |
| alkisg | NoCode: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=keepass | 18:18 |
| * Menzador waits for keepassxcvbnm | 18:18 | |
| alkisg | KeePassXC => ubuntu 18.04 | 18:18 |
| NoCode | I wonder what other benefits there are between 2 and XC. | 18:19 |
| m4t | yeah i might switch to that, i researched it a bit a few months ago https://keepassxc.org/docs#faq-keepassx | 18:19 |
| NoCode | I hate making those choices. :P | 18:19 |
| NoCode | Is it more secure, will it get hacked, etc.. | 18:20 |
| alkisg | NoCode: keepassxc is a fork of keepassx, so it's the same database format | 18:21 |
| NoCode | I remember that fiasco a couple years ago about other password manager. | 18:21 |
| alkisg | So, you can just try both without effort | 18:21 |
| m4t | there is functionality to run it as a daemon and have a browser extension communicate with it...that sounds risky | 18:21 |
| sixwheeledbeast | All the databases should work with each other so you could try them all. | 18:39 |
| outlaw | I have an external usb dvd/writer that doesnt seem to want to be recognized, and am looking for some assistance after googling now for a couple days, but cant find much thats specific to my issue. | 19:31 |
| outlaw | $ lsusb Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub Bus 001 Device 006: ID 1bcf:28aa Sunplus Innovation Technology Inc. Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04f3:036e Elan Microelectronics Corp. Bus 001 Device 009: ID 0483:91d1 STMicroelectronics Sensor Hub Bus 001 Device 007: ID 8087:0a2a Intel Corp. Bus 001 Device 013: ID 18a5:0216 Verbatim, Ltd External Hard Drive Bus 001 Device 017: ID 18d1:4ee4 Google Inc. Nexus 4 (d | 19:33 |
| vek015 | hi | 21:48 |
| vek015 | help me | 21:49 |
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