[05:38] <basilarchia> alkisg, thanks! I'll try those. (I think I will still have to build from the AMD dev tree head to get HDMI sound to work)
[05:38] <basilarchia> it's a sad state of affairs that no one can install linux on pretty much any machine sold at target, best buy, costco, etc and not even have sound
[05:40] <basilarchia> (this is not a complaint, I understand and agree with the bocking of the kernel merge. it's just unfortunate. anyway, that is water under the damn. it seems to have been worked out)
[06:02] <basilarchia> alkisg, thanks. the 4.15.0-041500rc2-generic booted ok. still no HDMI sound even with amdgpu.dc=1 but well, that could be anything still being wrong. maybe the files in /lib/firmware/
[07:38] <alkisg> basilarchia: did you also install the -extra package that has all the modules?
[07:38] <alkisg> There are two packaging methods in the mainline ppa, first: one smaller kernel e.g. 20 mb and an extra of e.g. another 20 mb,
[07:38] <alkisg> and second: one big kernel of e.g. 40 mb
[07:39] <alkisg> Check you package size...
[08:07] <basilarchia> alkisg, there isn't an -extra package in http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.15-rc2/
[08:08] <basilarchia> the kernel boots, video works, machine appears to be fine, it's just still not able to do sound over HDMI
[08:08] <basilarchia> I'm trying on a different box that has a slightly different AMD video card
[08:09] <diogenes_> basilarchia, did you look in pavucontrol?
[08:09] <basilarchia> nope, never heard of it. I'll google it
[08:10] <basilarchia> ah, ya, there were some threads about pulseaudio working in some case
[08:10] <diogenes_> basilarchia, install pavucontrol
[08:10] <basilarchia> cases. but asound -l isn't showing the HDMI port I don't think.
[08:10] <diogenes_> open it and go to configure tab
[08:10] <basilarchia> I'll give it a shot.
[08:12] <basilarchia> well, it looks like it's kinda just showing the same information you can see with alsamixer or /dev/snd/ or asound -l
[08:12] <basilarchia> the issue here I think is that all newer AMD video cards don't work with HDMI sound out
[08:13] <basilarchia> I bought like 10 different boxes from target, bestbuy, costco, etc. none of them work
[08:13] <basilarchia> well, except for the one with an intel GPU. that one works great
[08:13] <basilarchia> also, google chrome doesn't support 3D acceleration direction, but firefox does, but that is another matter all together
[08:14] <basilarchia> I'm pretty sure I need the right kernel here
[08:14] <basilarchia> the good thing is I have a shit ton of different boxes to try
[08:16] <basilarchia> diogenes_, well, there is a configuration section in pavucontrol
[08:16] <basilarchia> the tab was hidden by the default display size of the window
[08:16] <basilarchia> it has more HDMI options perhaps (?)
[08:16] <alkisg> basilarchia: yeah that's the big, single type image that includes all the modules
[08:17] <basilarchia> they must not be building it for mainline-ppa
[08:17] <alkisg> I've heard about amd upstreaming hdmi sound support for some cards recently
[08:17] <alkisg> Did you also try the -tip one?
[08:18] <alkisg> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/
[08:18] <basilarchia> alkisg, ya, HDMI sound support is supposedly working in the AMD kernel dev's tree
[08:18] <diogenes_> basilarchia, that's one of the reasons it is not advisable to buy AMD chips if you intend to run linux, best config for linux is intel and nvidia
[08:18] <basilarchia> git://people.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/linux
[08:18] <basilarchia> fuck nvidia. those worthless cocksuckers can rot in hell
[08:18] <alkisg> +1, but not with that wording :P
[08:18] <basilarchia> AMD is doing totally free drivers now. (CEO)
[08:19] <basilarchia> (CEO has proclaimed it)
[08:19] <diogenes_> hehe which don't work
[08:19] <basilarchia> they are _going_ to work
[08:19] <basilarchia> the point is AMD is doing it, nvidia is never going to do it
[08:20] <basilarchia> so, no, I disaggree completely. I've waited 20 damn years for AMD or nvidia to do the right thing here. AMD is finally doing it
[08:21] <basilarchia> so ya, I'll build the upstream kernels. someone else will need to figure out why google chrome doesn't hook into mesa correctly
[08:21]  * alkisg prefers intel wherever he can; amd only for kids doing dual boot windows gaming + linux for work; nvidia => nah
[08:21] <diogenes_> ok then let's wait for another half of our super short life until amd gets them working and when it finally does, there will be no us, is that better? I don't agrree, I want to live and enjoy my computing now, today, that's why I have to choose what works now
[08:22] <basilarchia> steam games are working well, actually, all these AMD boxes are working well
[08:22] <basilarchia> and the AMD video bug on boot works on this mainline-ppa kernel with amdgpu.dc=1 enabled
[08:22] <basilarchia> so it seems like it's more or less fixed for god
[08:22] <basilarchia> good
[08:22] <alkisg> What's that video bug?
[08:23] <basilarchia> kernel messages / display get's corrupted on boot at 4K resolution
[08:23] <basilarchia> probably other resolutions too but I only really have 4K monitors right now to test on
[08:23] <basilarchia> and ya, yes, on almost every AMD card that is being sold
[08:24] <basilarchia> which makes giving people ubuntu-mate.org pretty useless unfortunately until this is fixed out of the box
[08:24] <basilarchia> which should be easy enough now that all the heavy lifting has been done by the kernel guys
[08:24] <alkisg> Hehe, I'm glad that I only have old cards around :D
[08:25] <basilarchia> it does make things easier indeed
[08:25] <basilarchia> the purism librem 15 laptop works flawlessly
[08:28] <basilarchia> diogenes_, I'm totally with you man on the practical nature of using nvidia to get 3D working in the past, that is _NO LONGER THE CASE_
[08:29] <basilarchia> these AMD drivers totally rock. I'm switching absolutely everything over
[08:29] <basilarchia> these machines are running untainted kernels with full 3D support
[08:29] <basilarchia> the only remaining issue for me is the HDMI sound & google chrome not find it. both those are more or less easily fixable.
[08:30] <basilarchia> and I can use firefox for webgl in the meantime anyway
[08:30] <diogenes_> basilarchia, whenever I'll see a system76 with amd I'll buy it, it will mean the full support has finally arrived
[08:30] <basilarchia> for that matter, it's nice to use firefox again because I feel I've been neglecting an old friend
[08:31] <basilarchia> This is so recent, I assume they haven't tried the cards. Also, if they did try them, then HDMI sound didn't work so they probably went WTF.
[08:32] <basilarchia> I'm buying more hardware from them this week so I'll remind them to AMD cards
[08:32] <diogenes_> ok
[08:32] <basilarchia> You just gave me a goal to have them add AMD before the end of the year.
[08:32] <diogenes_> hehe come with a feedback on how it went
[08:38] <basilarchia> won't have to. they'll add it to the order page
[08:47] <basilarchia> diogenes_, is there a way within pavucontrol to try to play an audio file?
[08:47] <basilarchia> diogenes_, I opened a sales ticket with system76. sometimes you just have to ask nicely
[08:47] <diogenes_> never heard of that
[08:49] <diogenes_> they can pack it for you specifically but they won't offer is on their page
[08:50] <basilarchia> it sounds like you already tried this? or you work there ;)
[08:51] <basilarchia> or know something I don't. but I'll give it a shot again
[08:51] <basilarchia> I can't imagine why they would care
[08:51] <basilarchia> unless nvidia is paying them to care
[08:52] <diogenes_> it's a marketing strategy you offer only what passes the tests
[08:53] <basilarchia> I'm sure their burn-in strategy is the same as everyone else's. marketing strategy at this point is whatever people are willing to buy
[08:53] <diogenes_> otherwise you gonna get an avalanche of returns back and ask for a refund
[08:54] <basilarchia> I doubt it. returns probably are unlikely to be a big problem for them
[08:54]  * diogenes_ is away
[08:55] <basilarchia> ubuntu-mate is the first distribution I've used on the desktop in 10 years that didn't suck
[09:16] <mandje> basilarchia, so it blows?
[09:20] <basilarchia> not at all. it's awesome
[09:21] <basilarchia> for real. everyone that worked on this did a great job
[09:21] <basilarchia> IMHO
[09:44] <basilarchia> alkisg, the mainline-ppa kernel does fix HDMI sound out when amdgpu.dc=1 is set
[09:45] <basilarchia> so thanks for that pointer. I don't have to build a kernel from the AMD head which is nice
[09:46] <alkisg> Nice indeed :)
[09:46] <basilarchia> that also fixes the video corruption on boot
[09:47] <basilarchia> now to see how stable it is
[13:08] <cranston> hello
[13:10] <cranston> need help setting up video drivers for ubuntu mate on my raspberr pi3
[16:56] <NoCode> Issue: Installed KeePass2, when minimizing to tray, icon doesn't appear and the notification applet malfunctions. The icon beside it(hexchat) looks all buggered. killall mate-panel && mate-panel restores the panel without KeePass2 there.
[16:57] <NoCode> Now I just have KeePass2 minimizing to Window List.
[16:58] <NoCode> 17.10 as well.
[17:11] <alkisg> NoCode: why keepass2 instead of keepassx?
[17:12] <alkisg> keepass2 uses mono? meh :D
[17:13] <NoCode> What other differences are there?
[17:14] <NoCode> I'd love to avoid mono for sure. but.. I've used KeePass2 for a while now
[17:33] <sixwheeledbeast> You should use 16.04 LTS for RPi
[17:42] <alkisg> NoCode: I don't know the keepass2 vs keepassx differences, because I haven't used keepass2
[17:42] <alkisg> keepassx works fine for me
[17:43] <NoCode> SOmeone just told me KeePassX is already forked by KeePassXC now.
[17:45] <Khan89> sorry to bump mid conversation but... KeePass has forked?? :O :O
[18:16] <m4t> keepass2 is mono/c# and looks really crappy now, i switched to keepassx which is QT and you can set some env variables to make it match your gtk desktop
[18:16] <m4t> QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=gtk2
[18:16] <m4t> QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2
[18:17] <m4t> no plugins in keepassx tho :(
[18:18] <alkisg> NoCode: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=keepass
[18:18]  * Menzador waits for keepassxcvbnm
[18:18] <alkisg> KeePassXC => ubuntu 18.04
[18:19] <NoCode> I wonder what other benefits there are between 2 and XC.
[18:19] <m4t> yeah i might switch to that, i researched it a bit a few months ago https://keepassxc.org/docs#faq-keepassx
[18:19] <NoCode> I hate making those choices. :P
[18:20] <NoCode> Is it more secure, will it get hacked, etc..
[18:21] <alkisg> NoCode: keepassxc is a fork of keepassx, so it's the same database format
[18:21] <NoCode> I remember that fiasco a couple years ago about other password manager.
[18:21] <alkisg> So, you can just try both without effort
[18:21] <m4t> there is functionality to run it as a daemon and have a browser extension communicate with it...that sounds risky
[18:39] <sixwheeledbeast> All the databases should work with each other so you could try them all.
[19:31] <outlaw> I have an external usb dvd/writer that doesnt seem to want to be recognized, and am looking for some assistance after googling now for a couple days, but cant find much thats specific to my issue.
[19:33] <outlaw> $ lsusb Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub Bus 001 Device 006: ID 1bcf:28aa Sunplus Innovation Technology Inc.  Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04f3:036e Elan Microelectronics Corp.  Bus 001 Device 009: ID 0483:91d1 STMicroelectronics Sensor Hub Bus 001 Device 007: ID 8087:0a2a Intel Corp.  Bus 001 Device 013: ID 18a5:0216 Verbatim, Ltd External Hard Drive Bus 001 Device 017: ID 18d1:4ee4 Google Inc. Nexus 4 (d
[21:48] <vek015> hi
[21:49] <vek015> help me