[05:38] alkisg, thanks! I'll try those. (I think I will still have to build from the AMD dev tree head to get HDMI sound to work) [05:38] it's a sad state of affairs that no one can install linux on pretty much any machine sold at target, best buy, costco, etc and not even have sound [05:40] (this is not a complaint, I understand and agree with the bocking of the kernel merge. it's just unfortunate. anyway, that is water under the damn. it seems to have been worked out) [06:02] alkisg, thanks. the 4.15.0-041500rc2-generic booted ok. still no HDMI sound even with amdgpu.dc=1 but well, that could be anything still being wrong. maybe the files in /lib/firmware/ [07:38] basilarchia: did you also install the -extra package that has all the modules? [07:38] There are two packaging methods in the mainline ppa, first: one smaller kernel e.g. 20 mb and an extra of e.g. another 20 mb, [07:38] and second: one big kernel of e.g. 40 mb [07:39] Check you package size... [08:07] alkisg, there isn't an -extra package in http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.15-rc2/ [08:08] the kernel boots, video works, machine appears to be fine, it's just still not able to do sound over HDMI [08:08] I'm trying on a different box that has a slightly different AMD video card [08:09] basilarchia, did you look in pavucontrol? [08:09] nope, never heard of it. I'll google it [08:10] ah, ya, there were some threads about pulseaudio working in some case [08:10] basilarchia, install pavucontrol [08:10] cases. but asound -l isn't showing the HDMI port I don't think. [08:10] open it and go to configure tab [08:10] I'll give it a shot. [08:12] well, it looks like it's kinda just showing the same information you can see with alsamixer or /dev/snd/ or asound -l [08:12] the issue here I think is that all newer AMD video cards don't work with HDMI sound out [08:13] I bought like 10 different boxes from target, bestbuy, costco, etc. none of them work [08:13] well, except for the one with an intel GPU. that one works great [08:13] also, google chrome doesn't support 3D acceleration direction, but firefox does, but that is another matter all together [08:14] I'm pretty sure I need the right kernel here [08:14] the good thing is I have a shit ton of different boxes to try [08:16] diogenes_, well, there is a configuration section in pavucontrol [08:16] the tab was hidden by the default display size of the window [08:16] it has more HDMI options perhaps (?) [08:16] basilarchia: yeah that's the big, single type image that includes all the modules [08:17] they must not be building it for mainline-ppa [08:17] I've heard about amd upstreaming hdmi sound support for some cards recently [08:17] Did you also try the -tip one? [08:18] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/daily/current/ [08:18] alkisg, ya, HDMI sound support is supposedly working in the AMD kernel dev's tree [08:18] basilarchia, that's one of the reasons it is not advisable to buy AMD chips if you intend to run linux, best config for linux is intel and nvidia [08:18] git://people.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/linux [08:18] fuck nvidia. those worthless cocksuckers can rot in hell [08:18] +1, but not with that wording :P [08:18] AMD is doing totally free drivers now. (CEO) [08:19] (CEO has proclaimed it) [08:19] hehe which don't work [08:19] they are _going_ to work [08:19] the point is AMD is doing it, nvidia is never going to do it [08:20] so, no, I disaggree completely. I've waited 20 damn years for AMD or nvidia to do the right thing here. AMD is finally doing it [08:21] so ya, I'll build the upstream kernels. someone else will need to figure out why google chrome doesn't hook into mesa correctly [08:21] * alkisg prefers intel wherever he can; amd only for kids doing dual boot windows gaming + linux for work; nvidia => nah [08:21] ok then let's wait for another half of our super short life until amd gets them working and when it finally does, there will be no us, is that better? I don't agrree, I want to live and enjoy my computing now, today, that's why I have to choose what works now [08:22] steam games are working well, actually, all these AMD boxes are working well [08:22] and the AMD video bug on boot works on this mainline-ppa kernel with amdgpu.dc=1 enabled [08:22] so it seems like it's more or less fixed for god [08:22] good [08:22] What's that video bug? [08:23] kernel messages / display get's corrupted on boot at 4K resolution [08:23] probably other resolutions too but I only really have 4K monitors right now to test on [08:23] and ya, yes, on almost every AMD card that is being sold [08:24] which makes giving people ubuntu-mate.org pretty useless unfortunately until this is fixed out of the box [08:24] which should be easy enough now that all the heavy lifting has been done by the kernel guys [08:24] Hehe, I'm glad that I only have old cards around :D [08:25] it does make things easier indeed [08:25] the purism librem 15 laptop works flawlessly [08:28] diogenes_, I'm totally with you man on the practical nature of using nvidia to get 3D working in the past, that is _NO LONGER THE CASE_ [08:29] these AMD drivers totally rock. I'm switching absolutely everything over [08:29] these machines are running untainted kernels with full 3D support [08:29] the only remaining issue for me is the HDMI sound & google chrome not find it. both those are more or less easily fixable. [08:30] and I can use firefox for webgl in the meantime anyway [08:30] basilarchia, whenever I'll see a system76 with amd I'll buy it, it will mean the full support has finally arrived [08:30] for that matter, it's nice to use firefox again because I feel I've been neglecting an old friend [08:31] This is so recent, I assume they haven't tried the cards. Also, if they did try them, then HDMI sound didn't work so they probably went WTF. [08:32] I'm buying more hardware from them this week so I'll remind them to AMD cards [08:32] ok [08:32] You just gave me a goal to have them add AMD before the end of the year. [08:32] hehe come with a feedback on how it went [08:38] won't have to. they'll add it to the order page [08:47] diogenes_, is there a way within pavucontrol to try to play an audio file? [08:47] diogenes_, I opened a sales ticket with system76. sometimes you just have to ask nicely [08:47] never heard of that [08:49] they can pack it for you specifically but they won't offer is on their page [08:50] it sounds like you already tried this? or you work there ;) [08:51] or know something I don't. but I'll give it a shot again [08:51] I can't imagine why they would care [08:51] unless nvidia is paying them to care [08:52] it's a marketing strategy you offer only what passes the tests [08:53] I'm sure their burn-in strategy is the same as everyone else's. marketing strategy at this point is whatever people are willing to buy [08:53] otherwise you gonna get an avalanche of returns back and ask for a refund [08:54] I doubt it. returns probably are unlikely to be a big problem for them [08:54] * diogenes_ is away [08:55] ubuntu-mate is the first distribution I've used on the desktop in 10 years that didn't suck [09:16] basilarchia, so it blows? [09:20] not at all. it's awesome [09:21] for real. everyone that worked on this did a great job [09:21] IMHO [09:44] alkisg, the mainline-ppa kernel does fix HDMI sound out when amdgpu.dc=1 is set [09:45] so thanks for that pointer. I don't have to build a kernel from the AMD head which is nice [09:46] Nice indeed :) [09:46] that also fixes the video corruption on boot [09:47] now to see how stable it is [13:08] hello [13:10] need help setting up video drivers for ubuntu mate on my raspberr pi3 [16:56] Issue: Installed KeePass2, when minimizing to tray, icon doesn't appear and the notification applet malfunctions. The icon beside it(hexchat) looks all buggered. killall mate-panel && mate-panel restores the panel without KeePass2 there. [16:57] Now I just have KeePass2 minimizing to Window List. [16:58] 17.10 as well. [17:11] NoCode: why keepass2 instead of keepassx? [17:12] keepass2 uses mono? meh :D [17:13] What other differences are there? [17:14] I'd love to avoid mono for sure. but.. I've used KeePass2 for a while now [17:33] You should use 16.04 LTS for RPi [17:42] NoCode: I don't know the keepass2 vs keepassx differences, because I haven't used keepass2 [17:42] keepassx works fine for me [17:43] SOmeone just told me KeePassX is already forked by KeePassXC now. [17:45] sorry to bump mid conversation but... KeePass has forked?? :O :O [18:16] keepass2 is mono/c# and looks really crappy now, i switched to keepassx which is QT and you can set some env variables to make it match your gtk desktop [18:16] QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE=gtk2 [18:16] QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2 [18:17] no plugins in keepassx tho :( [18:18] NoCode: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=keepass [18:18] * Menzador waits for keepassxcvbnm [18:18] KeePassXC => ubuntu 18.04 [18:19] I wonder what other benefits there are between 2 and XC. [18:19] yeah i might switch to that, i researched it a bit a few months ago https://keepassxc.org/docs#faq-keepassx [18:19] I hate making those choices. :P [18:20] Is it more secure, will it get hacked, etc.. [18:21] NoCode: keepassxc is a fork of keepassx, so it's the same database format [18:21] I remember that fiasco a couple years ago about other password manager. [18:21] So, you can just try both without effort [18:21] there is functionality to run it as a daemon and have a browser extension communicate with it...that sounds risky [18:39] All the databases should work with each other so you could try them all. [19:31] I have an external usb dvd/writer that doesnt seem to want to be recognized, and am looking for some assistance after googling now for a couple days, but cant find much thats specific to my issue. [19:33] $ lsusb Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub Bus 001 Device 006: ID 1bcf:28aa Sunplus Innovation Technology Inc. Bus 001 Device 004: ID 04f3:036e Elan Microelectronics Corp. Bus 001 Device 009: ID 0483:91d1 STMicroelectronics Sensor Hub Bus 001 Device 007: ID 8087:0a2a Intel Corp. Bus 001 Device 013: ID 18a5:0216 Verbatim, Ltd External Hard Drive Bus 001 Device 017: ID 18d1:4ee4 Google Inc. Nexus 4 (d [21:48] hi [21:49] help me