[00:00] <Jordan_U> shazbotmcnasty: What filesystem? What have you done to try to repair the filesystem? Were there any read errors when you were dding from the failing drive?
[00:00] <shazbotmcnasty> hfsplus
[00:00] <shazbotmcnasty> it didn't report any read errors at all during the DD
[00:00] <Jordan_U> shazbotmcnasty: Did it contain time machine backups?
[00:00] <shazbotmcnasty> yes
[00:01] <shazbotmcnasty> the whole point of this job is to transfer the time machine backup from one drive to another, but transferring them normally doesn't bring a usable time machine backup. So I attempted a dd from source failing drive to replacement drive - but it brought the bad filesystem; which i cannot repair with fsck in linux, or with disk manager in osx
[00:02] <Jordan_U> shazbotmcnasty: Those cannot be accessed from linux, due to the fact that OSX uses directory hardlinks to support time machine and linux doesn't support directory hard links (with some exceptions). The directory structure of a time machine backup can't even be represented in a linux filesystem as far as I know. You'll probably need to use OSX to get the data.
[00:03] <shazbotmcnasty> the directory hardlinks can be seen with 'ls -a $linkfile$' and it shows the location name of the real file which is "/.HFSPlus Hidden Data Directory/"
[00:04] <Jordan_U> shazbotmcnasty: If OSX can't repair the filesystem then the reason you're not getting a valid time machine backup is most likely that the data is just too corrupt to be usable.
[00:04] <shazbotmcnasty> OSX will not mount the source drive or the dd'd drive, but linux can.
[00:04] <shazbotmcnasty> but I can see the data, navigate to it manually and open them in linux
[00:07] <shazbotmcnasty> rsync does report some bad files that could not be transferred, but it's only 24 files, which doesn't equate to so much missing data.
[00:08] <Jordan_U> shazbotmcnasty: From what I recall, you literally cannot access some of the data that is part of the time machine backup through mounting it normally. If you want to access that data there is a fuse filesystem that will allow you to mount time machine backups, but you can't rsync all of snapshots in the time machine backup because in the fuse interface they appear as different files.
[00:09] <shazbotmcnasty> oh. well crap.
[00:10] <shazbotmcnasty> but osx mounts it just fine? So I if i force the mount in osx I should be able to just cp over the data maybe?
[00:11] <Jordan_U> shazbotmcnasty: That's all just from my memory though (from helping a friend get files from her time machine backup to a Windows machine using linux, and we just grabbed the data from the most recent snapshot using the fuse filesystem. Unfortunatly I don't remember which of the fuse filesytems I used, it looks like there may be at least two options).
[00:12] <Jordan_U> shazbotmcnasty: I thought you said that OSX doesn't mount it "just fine". I'm confused.
[00:12] <shazbotmcnasty> osx doesn't mount it, but if i can force it somehow I might be able to do the transfer in osx.
[00:13] <shazbotmcnasty> at least i now know the next step - do it in osx.
[00:47] <mentalita> I literally need this? https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6512
[01:13] <wyseguy> just installed ubuntu 16.04 on a x99 board with a gtx 1060 card, had to modify the grub settings and added nomodeset and booted with a 2nd videocard with the gtx 1060 in another pci slot. installed the nvidia drivers, re-edited the grub settings and removed the nomodeset then shutdown, put the gtx card in the 1st pci slot and rebooted. computer boots up just fine but when I go to log in, the screen goes black flashes some text at the top before
[01:13] <wyseguy>  lightdm starts then goes back to the login screen. thoughts?
[01:38] <doMynation> Can anyone recommend a GUI or an abstraction to `iptables` please? I'm kinda novice with that and I find it hard to use and configure.
[01:41] <leftyfb> doMynation: ufw
[01:41] <leftyfb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UncomplicatedFirewall
[01:41] <Bashing-om> doMynation: see : ' apt show ufw ' .
[01:41] <doMynation> Okay thank you. I'll look it up right now.
[01:42] <doMynation> Here's is the list of rules currently active: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26143245/. Basically I'm trying to access my MySQL instance from my host machine and the connection keeps timing out. I've narrowed it down to iptables, and now I need to figure out what's causing the issue. I suspect line 6 is causing the problem, could that be right?
[01:49] <Shred00> seems mythtv 0.29 is incompatible with ubuntu trusty.  :-(
[01:50] <bazhang> Shred00, mythtv has mostly been replaced with kodi as far as that goes
[01:51] <Shred00> for the front-end maybe.  but this is not the channel i thought i was in.  i meant to be in #ubuntu-mythtv.
[01:52] <Shred00> oh.  seems #ubuntu-mythtv requires an invitation now
[01:56] <Exterminador> hello guys. stupid question of the day: is there any online/program/wtv that can give all the IPS of an IPv6 /64 block if I provide the first ip of the block?
[02:02] <leftyfb> Exterminador: ipcalc
[02:03] <leftyfb> oh, ipv6
[02:03] <mentalita> can someone please help me group my custom actions in thunar?
[02:03] <leftyfb> Exterminador: http://www.gestioip.net/cgi-bin/subnet_calculator.cgi
[02:03] <leftyfb> Exterminador: first result on google
[02:03] <wyseguy> installing gnome-desktop on 16.04 gdm or lightdm? x99 board and gtx 1060 card
[02:05] <akik> Exterminador: nmap -sL -n -6
[02:06] <Exterminador> thanks to both!
[02:07] <Exterminador> and now, another stupid one. how do I add the ips to the network interface? I only have the 1st one assigned
[02:08] <Exterminador> is this correct? http://mirrors.deepspace6.net/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/x1065.html
[02:09] <Exterminador> brb
[02:19] <ylwghst> Anyone here boots ubuntu using systemd-boot bootloader?
[02:21] <Spiegel>  /server irc.mozilla.org
[02:24] <linuxhelp> can someone give me a hand here
[02:25] <Bashing-om> !ask | linuxhelp
[02:26] <bazhang> linuxhelp, is that for MINT
[02:27] <linuxhelp> yes just realized the rule
[02:27] <linuxhelp> sorry
[02:27] <bazhang> thanks
[02:27] <linuxhelp> im in another channel atm tho thanks tho
[02:38] <newbie--> hi, what's up with the increased size of initramdisk?
[02:39] <newbie--> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8,8M dec  9 03:20 initrd.img-4.4.0-96-generic
[02:39] <newbie--> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  37M dec  9 03:20 initrd.img-4.4.0-98-generic
[02:39] <newbie--> from 9MB to 37MB, that's a 4x increase
[02:58] <qwert0987> anyone here use ZFS on ubuntu?
[02:59] <rainbow_12> h
[02:59] <rainbow_12> hi
[02:59] <qwert0987> hi rainbow
[02:59] <rainbow_12> hi qwert
[02:59] <rainbow_12> mouse is lagging on ubuntu16.04
[03:00] <rainbow_12> can anyone help
[03:01] <rainbow_12> hello
[03:01] <rainbow_12> anyone ?
[03:02] <qwert0987> rainbow_12 don't know. haven't installed yet.
[03:03] <newbie--> i cannot boot with that initrd.img-4.4.0-98
[03:03] <newbie--> please advise, running on another system now. dont have 96 kernel left.
[03:07] <cnnx> is there a faster download for ubuntu 16?
[03:08] <cnnx> than ubuntu.com
[03:08] <cnnx> i'm getting under 1M/sec
[03:08] <cnnx> and I have a 50Mbps connection
[03:08] <newbie--> cnnx: try bittorrent if available
[03:14] <limbo__> hi
[03:15] <limbo__> mouse lag in ubuntu 16.04 can anyone help
[03:15] <limbo__> please
[03:15] <limbo__> i have wasted lot of time trying to solve this
[03:20] <limbo__> i am done here
[03:23] <adrian_1908> I'm having difficulty understanding setuid, is anyone familiar with it?
[03:30] <limbo__> hello
[03:30] <limbo__> can anyone help with mouse lag issue
[03:33] <limbo__> would really appreciate help, been trying to fix for several hours now
[04:18] <NoCode> I'm getting, "Couldn't load XPCOM." when I try to start firefox in terminal. It's not from the repos, I downloaded, and extracted it to /home. I've created a firefox.desktop icon as well. What do I need to do to fix the issue?
[04:21] <NoCode> Got it!
[04:21] <NoCode> sudo ln -s /home/user/firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox
[04:43] <mentalita> can someone please help me group my custom actions in thunar?
[05:08] <Menzador> !netsplit
[05:23] <isaiahnixon> I would like to make a portable HDD ubuntu 16.04 installation. However, the installer assumes I want dual boot or to wipe my computer's main hard drive Therefore, I must partition my drive manually. And select where to put the boot loader settings. I have unsuccessfully attempted to do this myself a few times today. Can somebody walk me through the process?
[05:24] <omegaeclipse> hello
[05:25] <omegaeclipse> Hello?
[05:31] <tubal> Hello. Just getting into 17.10 and Gnome. So far, so good. I find I cannot run Lightworks though -- "Unable to create main window".  I guess this has something to do with wayland? Is there an approach to letting an application at an X-compatibility layer, or something like that?
[05:31] <gulzar> isaiahnixon: plug in the HDD, use a USB/CD/DVD to boot ubuntu. Now select manual setup option. if MBR then Set the bootloader to HDD and not partition like "/dev/sdb" or /dev/sdc" . If in EFI/GPT mode then mount the efi parition to boot
[05:37] <isaiahnixon> gulzar: I'm in EFI what kind of boot partition do I make and how big should it be?
[05:49] <tubal> Aieee... no wayland. For anyone interested in Lightworks and 17.xx, read https://www.lwks.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=21&id=142370&Itemid=81#ftop
[05:50] <ducasse> isaiahnixon: the efi partition needs to be fat32, type ef00 and for linux maybe 200mb to have some spare space
[05:59] <ztane> Ok, now I've had VLC hang my computer 3 times in a wayland gnome3 sessoin
[05:59] <ztane> the only solution I've had is to hard boot...
[06:00] <ztane> isn't there any way to switch to console or something like that :F
[06:00] <ztane> or even kill wayland session with a shortcut?
[06:00] <ztane> **anything** besides power?!
[06:02] <ztane> ah :D
[06:02] <ztane> tty3+
[06:02] <ducasse> NoCode: why not just switch back to x11, if wayland doesn't work well?
[06:03] <ducasse> ztane: ^^
[06:03] <ducasse> sorry, NoCode
[06:04] <ztane> ducasse: that's a good question. I wonder who thought it was good idea to push this in the first place :D
[06:05] <ducasse> ztane: i wonder too - it's clearly not ready :)
[06:08] <Jordan_U> ztane: And just so you know, even when you can't VT switch you can use sysrq magic to safely reboot (*iff* you have enabled sysrq magic, most of which is disabled by default in Ubuntu).
[06:08] <Jordan_U> !sysrq | ztane
[06:08] <Neo1> what is choose here openSSH? http://prntscr.com/hl3hdg
[06:08] <Neo1> I'm installing naked ubuntu server on VPS
[06:10] <ducasse> Neo1: you'll need it to connect via ssh to do administration
[06:10] <Spiegel> guys I'm pretty new to linux,
[06:10] <Spiegel> once I switch ubuntu to sleep mode, when I press any key It wakes up but the display will still be off,and then I have to force shutdown the os.Is there any way to make the sleep function work as it should??
[06:11] <Neo1> ducasse: I guessed
[06:11] <Neo1> on digitalocean was only ssh installed
[06:11] <Neo1> and ufw need to
[06:11] <Neo1> interesting if I choose LAMP what is happened...
[06:12] <ducasse> Neo1: you really should use a premade image rather than try to setup your own
[06:12] <element> I was about to recommend that lol
[06:13] <element> I had mine up and running in 3 minutes on Linode using the premade image.
[06:14] <Neo1> ducasse: what the premade?
[06:15] <Neo1> I got that ISO from official server, it's not my own
[06:16] <ducasse> Neo1: with pre-installed ubuntu, plus lamp stack etc if you want that
[06:16] <ducasse> Neo1: not trying to be rude, you have demonstrated again and again in this chanel that you have no idea what you're doing, and you refuse to read the docs. this is not a good way to learn.
[06:17] <Neo1> I don't know what it is...
[06:19] <gulzar> isaiahnixon: for boot 500MB
[06:20] <gulzar> isaiahnixon: if you want seperate /home then /  at max 30GB or 20GB is enough. 10GB minimal. Rest give to /home
[06:20] <Neo1> I installed and work nothing :(
[06:21] <Neo1> what does it mean ? http://prntscr.com/hl3jq3
[06:21] <rory> It's not booted to Ubuntu yet, that is the software your host is using to allow you to connect to a screen using your browser
[06:22] <rory> you can use that or connect via SSH which will be more lightweight and probably best in most cases
[06:22] <ducasse> Neo1: you're using digitalocean, right? they have images with ubuntu preinstalled. why do you need to run the installer yourself instead?
[06:24] <Neo1> ducasse: it's other hosting, digitalocean doesn't support install other OS
[06:24] <Neo1> ducasse: it's http://host-food.ru
[06:24] <Neo1> I didn't set up grub?
[06:24] <Neo1> maybe shoud it install
[06:24] <Neo1> I don't see where input login and pass
[06:25] <ducasse> Neo1: then which os are you installing?
[06:26] <Neo1> ubuntu server 16.04.3
[06:26] <ducasse> i'm pretty sure digitalocean has that
[06:27] <Neo1> it doesn't work
[06:27] <Neo1> I didn't set up DHSTP
[06:29] <Neo1> I did it http://prntscr.com/hl3lbu
[06:29] <ducasse> what's that?
[06:29] <Neo1> and got it http://prntscr.com/hl3lde
[06:30] <ducasse> aha, dhcp...
[06:32] <ducasse> Neo1: two more pieces of advice - use a hoster with a good reputation, and 2 - use a premade image, don't run the installer yourself
[06:34] <Neo1> I got this http://prntscr.com/hl3ma4
[06:35] <Neo1> again got errors
[06:35] <Neo1> error http://prntscr.com/hl3mga
[06:37] <ducasse> !server | Neo1 it's all documented in the server guide you'll find here
[06:37] <Neo1> rebuilt, now look better http://prntscr.com/hl3mw5
[06:38] <Neo1> again the same error http://prntscr.com/hl3n2d
[06:42] <rory> Neo1: you should stop doing what you're doing, and use the DigitalOcean prebuilt Ubuntu Server image
[06:43] <Neo1> rory: I want install os myself not pre built
[06:45] <bjrohan> Hello all. Just finished installing 17.10 on my new XPS 15 with 4K & Nvidia 1050. Have to use xorg vs wayland for the time being I suppose. Question, How may I increase my mouse speed? I have the setting pegged all the way to the fastest settings, still is slow
[06:45] <bjrohan> is there an override?
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> bjrohan: you sure its your mouse speed, or system lags that slows your mouse?
[06:46] <bjrohan> Also I installed the Nvidia drivers (show as being used in the additional software) however: glxinfo | grep OpenGL returns Intel :-( not NVIDIA as I would home
[06:47] <bjrohan> lotuspsychje, I am hoping since this is a fresh install on a new laptop with an Intell 7700 it's not lag
[06:47] <Neo1> I try install Virtual machine host, last time I didn't do it and probably I couldn't get server http://prntscr.com/hl3otv
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> bjrohan: lets try a few things, wich driver did you install exactly?
[06:48] <bjrohan> lotuspsychje, The mouse simply doesn't move as far with my fingerswipe
[06:48] <bjrohan> for my video? nvidia 384
[06:48] <Neo1> its reason probably, will try
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> bjrohan: can you go try the xorg session at login screen?
[06:49] <bjrohan> lotuspsychje, yes, and that is what I am logged in to currently, as running nvidia-settings in wayland said it wasn't found
[06:50] <knightwise> good morning everyone
[06:50] <knightwise>  hope you guys are all feeling ok :à)
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> bjrohan: does your mouse work in wayland then?
[06:50] <bjrohan> so some google-fu returned that I needed to use xorg, and now when I run nvidia-settings I at least get the settings app to show
[06:50] <bjrohan> although nothing is in it
[06:50] <bjrohan> lotuspsychje, yes
[06:50] <Neo1> and I'm installing groob, before I didn't install it
[06:50] <bjrohan> lotuspsychje, mouse works in wayland, and a bit faster, than in zorg
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> bjrohan: that sounds like a bug to me mate
[06:51] <bjrohan> by faster I mean that a finger swipe takes it further
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> bjrohan: yeah understand that part
[06:51] <bjrohan> lotuspsychje, any thoughts to getting my nvidia card to work in xorg?
[06:51] <bjrohan> gotcha
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> bjrohan: im not sure your mouse problem is related to graphics
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> bjrohan: did you try mouse issue with the opensource driver?
[06:52] <Neo1> I did it )))))
[06:53] <Neo1> see http://prntscr.com/hl3pxz
[06:53] <ducasse> Neo1: give it up and follow our advice, or keep going, but read the server guide
[06:53] <bjrohan> lotuspsychje, 2 totally different items :-). I would also like to get the NVIDIA card working as well, it appears it is not
[06:53] <Neo1> ducasse: I did it Yra!
[06:53] <Neo1> Yra Yra Yra!
[06:54] <krytarik> Explain..
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> bjrohan: there's a few things you can driver, graphics driver-wise: try the opensource one, go back to the ubuntu default one, or try the ubuntu graphics ppa
[06:54] <Neo1> ducasse: see I now got to ubuntu, and why I'm not root? http://prntscr.com/hl3q75
[06:55] <bjrohan> lotuspsychje, the results of lspci | grep -i --color 'vga\|3d\|2d' show both Intel and NVIDIA
[06:55] <Neo1> on digitalocean I was root and now not?
[06:55] <Neo1> and why before didn't work? It because i didn't install grube or virtualhost app
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> bjrohan: check ubuntu-driver list to see wich are available to your system
[06:55] <ducasse> !root | Neo1
[06:56] <Neo1> ducasse: on digitalocean I'm getting root
[06:56] <Neo1> from fresh install not
[06:56] <EriC^^> Neo1: different setup
[06:57] <bjrohan> lotuspsychje, I'm not understanding what list to check
[06:57] <ducasse> Neo1: they use prebuilt images that contain changes from a standard install
[06:57] <EriC^^> they've modified ubuntu
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> bjrohan: if available ubuntu has a list of your drivers: open a terminal: ubuntu-drivers list
[06:57] <bjrohan> lotuspsychje, My card is a GTX 1050 FWIW
[06:57] <bjrohan> ok
[06:58] <bjrohan> lotuspsychje,
[06:58] <bjrohan> nvidia-387
[06:58] <bjrohan> nvidia-384
[06:58] <bjrohan> nvidia-381
[06:58] <bjrohan> intel-microcode
[06:58] <bjrohan> I am using 384 currently
[06:58] <Neo1> I can't connect to my server using putty
[06:59] <bjrohan> from the software center additional drivers tab
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> bjrohan: ok wich driver was default on your fresh install?
[06:59] <bjrohan> I don't recall :-(
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> bjrohan: how about you experiment switching them before placing bugs or so ok?
[07:00] <bjrohan> ok
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> bjrohan: test both your mouse & graphics for best scneario
[07:00] <bjrohan> will give it a go and be back :--))))0
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> scenario.
[07:00] <bjrohan> so test the NVIIDIA as wewll at the open source
[07:02] <Neo1> it's IP my server 91.227.18.35, why I can't access it?
[07:02] <Neo1> there is openSSH
[07:03] <Neo1> ducasse: see there was DNS server too, probably I should have installed it? http://prntscr.com/hl3ry1
[07:04] <gulzar> Neo1: is sshd service running?
[07:04] <Neo1> gulzar: how check it?
[07:04] <Neo1> probably
[07:04] <gulzar> sudo systemctl status sshd
[07:05] <Neo1> gulzar: I can access server using VNC http://prntscr.com/hl3scc
[07:05] <EriC^^> Neo1: sudo systemctl status ssh
[07:06] <gulzar> Neo1: to start do this: sudo systemctl start sshd
[07:07] <Neo1> gulzar: see active running http://prntscr.com/hl3skm
[07:07] <Neo1> VNC it's shell, I didn't customize internet
[07:07] <gulzar> Neo1: so what's the error now?
[07:07] <gulzar> why you can't access it
[07:08] <Neo1> gulzar: yes can't
[07:08] <Neo1> without error
[07:08] <gulzar> what are you doing? what is the command? what is the tool?
[07:08] <gulzar> how are you accessing it?
[07:09] <Neo1> run putty and can't login remotely
[07:09] <lotuspsychje> !details | Neo1
[07:09] <Neo1> gulzar: using webshell http://prntscr.com/hl3tbt
[07:10] <gulzar> Neo1: I can't comment on webshell. I have 0 info about it functionality. Try ssh from your cmd
[07:13] <Neo1> gulzar: can't connect, I'll google issue
[07:14] <gulzar> Neo1: you have to first narrow down the problem. Is it ssh related, server realted, your machine related, or that shell related
[07:14] <gulzar> Neo1: ca'nt connect is too big. What is happening? timeout, error msg, wrong pass, wrong user?
[07:14] <Neo1> gulzar: I can connect using VNC and can't from my computer using SSH
[07:14] <gulzar> Neo1: yes but what is the error?
[07:15] <Neo1> maybe something in ubuntu blocking me
[07:15] <gulzar> post screenshot what's happening
[07:15] <Neo1> forbid remote access
[07:16] <Neo1> I do this, press open http://prntscr.com/hl3ukd
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> Neo1: thats more like a question for ##networking
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> Neo1: ubuntu doesnt block ports by default
[07:17] <Neo1> network error connection timeout http://prntscr.com/hl3upj
[07:17] <Neo1> when I press this http://prntscr.com/hl3usv
[07:17] <Neo1> I access my server http://prntscr.com/hl3uw9
[07:18] <gulzar> Neo1: ask in #programming or #networking
[07:18] <Neo1> lotuspsychje: maybe I forgot install some packeg as DNS
[07:18] <gulzar> Ah you are usign win to connect
[07:18] <EriC^^> Neo1: try sudo iptables -L
[07:19] <Neo1> ok, when I solved I'll say reason
[07:20] <EriC^^> Neo1: it might be 1 of 2 things, either ssh port is changed or some firewall rule is there
[07:20] <Neo1> EriC^^: see http://prntscr.com/hl3vbh
[07:20] <Neo1> I did this sudo ufw diseble, or ok i check opened ports there
[07:21] <EriC^^> Neo1: try sudo lsof -i:22
[07:23] <Neo1> you see there differ IP 192.168.122.0/24, and IP my host 91.227.18.35, But anyway I used that and also couldn't connect
[07:24] <EriC^^> did lsof return anything? it should say listen on port 22 sshd
[07:25] <Neo1> EriC^^: got this http://prntscr.com/hl3w8s
[07:25] <Neo1> no 833
[07:25] <Neo1> sshd 833 port listening
[07:26] <EriC^^> Neo1: try to flush the rules of iptables, sudo iptables -F
[07:26] <Neo1> yes 22 listen root
[07:27] <EriC^^> actually nevermind if those were there by default by digital ocean, better join ##networking and ask as suggested
[07:40] <Neo1> this guide how to install ubuntu server https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfetuGPvJhc
[07:53] <Sbur3> I'm running Ubuntu 17.10.  I have two printers connected to my system.  Both are listed as printers, and both are connected via usb.  But only one of the printers is found by "hardinfo" in the usb devices.  And the unfound printer doesn't work
[07:55] <Neo1> EriC^^, gulzar, I found reason why didn't work, When I installed from ISO my IP changed and now this 91.227.18.204 , When I use this IP all good connect using putty
[07:55] <Neo1> Thanks for help.
[07:57] <EriC^^> Neo1: cool, no problem
[07:57] <Neo1> doesn't work, early glad
[07:58] <Neo1> can connect to server, but password not suite, maybe that is not my server too )))
[07:59] <Neo1> that IP VNC server, not mine, mine doesn't changed
[08:03] <EriC^^> Neo1: try "curl ifconfig.co"
[08:48] <Neo1> see this http://prntscr.com/hl4e2t
[08:48] <Neo1> I use sudo lshw -numeric -C network
[08:48] <Neo1> and got network disabled
[08:58] <Neo1> I compare VPS on digital ocean and broken VPS, on digital ocean I can get ping 8.8.8.8
[08:58] <Neo1> and sudo lshw -numeric -C network
[08:59] <lordl> Hello guys and good morning! I have a problem with my Apache2 server. A few months ago I could access my website on my IP address with https://, but now I can't even with the port 443 forwarded; http:// works perfectly. I get "Connection refused" What should I do? I've tried "a2enmod ssl", but now I get "Invalid response".
[08:59] <Neo1> network is good,
[08:59] <Neo1> on broken server network is broken
[08:59] <lordl> I am running Ubuntu Server 17.10.
[08:59] <Neo1> it should set up manually
[09:00] <lordl> What should I do guys? I am really... I've reinstalled the system 3 times.
[09:01] <lordl> Please, tell me something! I've reset my router, reinstalled VirtualBox.
[09:22] <lordl> Someone here?
[09:22] <lordl> Please.
[09:24] <Neo1> lordl: I'm here, see what I get http://prntscr.com/hl4mmv
[09:25] <lordl> Okay, and?
[09:25] <Neo1> lordl: it means network off, I think maybe I'll install preimage ubuntu and copy from there settings and then reinstall mine?
[09:25] <lordl> To check Apache2?
[09:25] <Neo1> lordl: check network
[09:26] <lordl> I've checked it.
[09:26] <Neo1> lordl: sudo lshw -numeric -C network
[09:26] <Neo1> what  you get network disabled?
[09:26] <lordl> I can access my Apache2 server on port 80 on my public IP address, but I can't on 443.
[09:27] <lordl> The network is there.
[09:27] <Neo1> lordl: check port 443, do you have enabled ufw?
[09:27] <Neo1> or other firewall? You should open port
[09:28] <Neo1> lordl: use this sudo ufw status
[09:28] <lordl> Ufw is disabled.
[09:28] <lordl> Iptables are also disabled.
[09:28] <lordl> I have both ports 80 and 443 forwarded on my router.
[09:28] <Neo1> lordl: and how look opened ports?
[09:29] <lordl> 80 work on my both external and internal IP addresses.
[09:29] <lordl> I can access them in browser.
[09:30] <Neo1> maybe 443 port should add to main apache confign file
[09:30] <lordl> What's the next step? Will I reinstall my Windows?
[09:30] <lordl> It is there if mod_ssl is enabled.
[09:30] <lordl> I've tried "a2enmod ssl", but now I get "Invalid response" in browser.
[09:30] <lordl> "ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR".
[09:31] <Neo1> no you need create new virtual host where port will ssh, I forgot how to do it
[09:34] <Neo1> lordl: open file sudo nano /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default.conf
[09:34] <lordl> Neo1, I've tried nmap on my internal IP address.
[09:34] <lordl> I can't see 443.
[09:34] <lordl> With "a2enmod ssl" it works".
[09:34] <Neo1> lordl: you see there virtual host 80 http://prntscr.com/hl4p63
[09:34] <lordl> it works*
[09:34] <lordl> I see it.
[09:35] <Neo1> lordl: maybe port not set for apache2
[09:35] <Neo1> I don't know where it set, look now in main file
[09:35] <lordl> I am looking in sites-enabled.
[09:36] <lordl> Do you have Skype/Discord?
[09:37] <lordl> Neo1, are you still there?
[09:38] <Neo1> lordl: yes I I'm there
[09:39] <lordl> What should I do?
[09:39] <lordl> I do not have a SSL certificate.
[09:39] <lordl> But a this summer I could access it without an SSL.
[09:39] <Neo1> Don't know check SSL
[09:39] <Neo1> see in your site get you redirect?
[09:40] <lordl> No.
[09:40] <Neo1> lordl: you need check your .htaccess file
[09:40] <lordl> I do not have one.
[09:40] <lordl> Neo1, do you have Skype or Discord?
[09:40] <Neo1> you got 404 error?
[09:40] <lordl> Yes, I do not have a .htaccess file.
[09:40] <Neo1> have skype, but I don't want to go in skype
[09:41] <lordl> I didn't have a .htaccess file this summer.
[09:41] <Neo1> lordl: it's invisible file, look better in folder suddenly it is hidden..
[09:42] <lordl> No, it isn't.
[09:42] <lordl> I've searched for it.
[09:42] <lordl> It isn't hidden, it doesn't exist.
[09:42] <lordl> I really need help.
[09:43] <Neo1> lordl: ok, I give up, you should try something change suddenly it will work
[09:43] <Neo1> read manuals and try to change something
[09:43] <lordl> Oh.
[09:43] <lordl> I will.
[09:44] <Neo1> I have trouble cant reach my server use SSH
[09:45] <Neo1> lordl: I'm not expert ubuntu, just guy who have slid knowledge, sorry I can't help don't see your server...
[09:45] <lordl> It's okay, thank you.
[09:45] <lordl> I will install Ubuntu Server 16.04.
[09:46] <truthr> what is the largest linux os?
[09:46] <truthr> in terms of the most users
[09:46] <Ben64> probably ubuntu
[09:46] <Ben64> maybe redhat
[09:46] <truthr> bigger than linux mint?
[09:46] <Ben64> yeah
[09:46] <rory> ...yes
[09:46] <truthr> cool
[09:46] <Ben64> mint is tiny
[09:47] <bazhang> truthr, thats a great topic for #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:47] <truthr> hmm no mint was the largest at one time i think
[09:47] <rory> Ubuntu is used all over in production servers as well as desktop
[09:47] <truthr> bazhang, ok
[09:47] <rory> you are probably thinking of number of hits on the distrowatch page which is what they rank
[09:47] <bazhang> lets get back to technical support please
[10:07] <alexas>  I have this logitech bluetooth keyboard that is using FN keys instead of F keys by default, how can I make it otherwise?
[10:10] <lordl> Hello guys! Could you help me with something? I can't access my website through https even if the port 443 is forwarded; http works perfectly. I am running an Apache2 server on Ubuntu Server 17.10 (64bit) in VirtualBox. I get "Connection refused". This summer I could access it through both protocols http and https, what should I do? Thanks in advance!
[10:12] <rory> Can you access it using localhost lordl ?
[10:12] <rory> curl -k https://localhost
[10:12] <lordl> rory, no, because it is on Bridge Adapter, but I can access it through its assigned internal IP, but only on http.
[10:13] <lordl> If I execute "a2enmod ssl" I get "Invalid response".
[10:13] <lordl> I wanna specify that I do not have an SSL and I didn't have this summer, but I could access https with that "Back to safety" on Chrome.
[10:14] <lordl> With "Proceed". Now I get "Connection refused".
[10:14] <lordl> I think it is from Apache2 because I can access https with shellinabox.
[10:14] <Ben64> connection refused = not listening on port 443
[10:15] <lordl> Yes, nmap doesn't show 443, but if I execute "a2enmod ssl" it listens, but I get "Invalid Response".
[10:15] <Ben64> check the logs
[10:15] <lordl> I've reinstalled the system 3 times, I've tried with older versions of Ubuntu.
[10:16] <lordl> I've reset my router, turned off my firewall. I don't have ufw enabled or iptables.
[10:16] <lordl> I think it is just from Apache2, but why?
[10:16] <rory> lordl: run that command from the virtualbox itsself
[10:16] <rory> lordl: We need to figure out if it's an apache thing or a firewall thing
[10:16] <lordl> rory, "a2enmod ssl", I did it.
[10:16] <rory> lordl: but that doesn't mean anything is listening on port 443
[10:16] <lordl> Not firewall.
[10:17] <lordl> I really need help, maybe if you have Skype or Discord guys, it is really hard, I've tried many methods.
[10:17] <lordl> Has Apache2 been updated?
[10:17] <rory> can you humour me and run that curl command from the virtualbox server's shell
[10:17] <lordl> Let me reinstall the system again first...
[10:17] <lordl> I've deleted it.
[10:18] <rory> ok np ping me whenever.
[10:18] <Ben64> install 16.04 though
[10:18] <lordl> By the way, with XAMPP it works, on Windows. It doesn't have any problems.
[10:18] <Ben64> irrelevant
[10:18] <lordl> Even on https on public IP address.
[10:20] <lordl> I've reinstalled VirtualBox yesterday.
[10:21] <rory> not irrelevent. If port 443 is forwarding fine for some other application then it must be Apache configuration which is wrong and not firewall.
[10:22] <lordl> Yes.
[10:22] <lordl> If it doesn't work this time, I will try to install XAMPP on the Ubuntu Server and try.
[10:22] <rory> We can help you with your apache ssl config for sure.
[10:22] <lordl> If it'll work it is from Apache2.
[10:22] <alkisg> I haven't read the discussion, can you connect to localhost:443, but not from an external host?
[10:22] <Ben64> it is irrelevant. "similar thing works in windows" doesn't help at all
[10:23] <rory> it means at least his router is not the issue
[10:23] <lordl> But why do I have to configure an SSL, a few months ago I just had to install Ubuntu with LAMP or Apache2 and I could access it on public and internal IP addresses on both http and https with ports 80 and 443 forwarded in router.
[10:23] <Ben64> the router isn't involved at all
[10:23] <lordl> Yes, it also work on 22.
[10:23] <lordl> The server, with SSH.
[10:23] <rory> you must have configured ssl at some point in order to access using https
[10:24] <lordl> Both internal and external.
[10:24] <lordl> rory, no, I didn't.
[10:24] <rory> apache doesn't come configured out of the box to listen on port 443
[10:24] <rory> at least on Ubuntu
[10:24] <lordl> Okay, but how could I access without an SSL?
[10:24] <lordl> I am more than sure that I didn't configured any SSL when I could access it.
[10:24] <rory> is it possible you were forwarding external port 443 to virtualbox port 80, and somehow accessing using http://your_address:443 ?
[10:25] <lordl> I could do it even on Ubuntu Server 17.04.
[10:25] <rory> or are you 100% sure it was https?
[10:25] <lordl> No, https://, but with that "Proceed to unsafe" or something like that in Chrome.
[10:25] <lordl> By the way, on shellinabox https works.
[10:26] <rory> Will Chrome show you an http page served on port 443 if you request https perhaps
[10:26] <lordl> "https://...:4200/"
[10:26] <rory> I'd expect not tbh
[10:26] <lordl> The system is now installed.
[10:26] <rory> checked, no, it gives SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR
[10:26] <rory> OK just get Apache working with the basic "It works!" page
[10:26] <rory> on port 80
[10:27] <Ben64> so apache works
[10:27] <lordl> apt install apache2.
[10:27] <lordl> Wait.
[10:27] <lordl> Internal IP works on http.
[10:27] <lordl> Let's try the external one.
[10:28] <rory> there's 3 things you need to do in order
[10:28] <lordl> It works.
[10:28] <lordl> Let's try https.
[10:28] <lordl> ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
[10:29] <Ben64> right, because you aren't listening on 443 still
[10:29] <rory> (1) get https working with curl -k https://localhost from the box itsself. (2) get https working on internal IP. (3) get https working on external IP
[10:29] <rory> RIGHT
[10:29] <lordl> On both internal and external.
[10:29] <lordl> Okay.
[10:29] <rory> apache doesn't come configured out of the box to listen on port 443
[10:29] <Ben64> you need to set up the config for the site(s) you want
[10:29] <lordl> Failed to connect to localhost port 443.
[10:29] <rory> good
[10:29] <lordl> With curl.
[10:29] <rory> as expected
[10:29] <rory> now configure SSL like you did before :P
[10:30] <lordl> I didn't do that.
[10:30] <Ben64> you had to have
[10:30] <rory> ok well you need to do it now
[10:30] <lordl> I think Apache2 has done it for me.
[10:30] <rory> either that or your pc is haunted
[10:30] <Ben64> it doesn't do it by itself
[10:30] <rory> it has been known
[10:30] <lordl> Let's try XAMPP on my Ubuntu Server.
[10:30] <lordl> apt purge apache2
[10:30] <Ben64> why not just configure it properly
[10:30] <rory> no let's configure apache2
[10:30] <Ben64> :|
[10:31] <rory> I recommend this guide https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-create-a-self-signed-ssl-certificate-for-apache-in-ubuntu-16-04
[10:31] <rory> DO guides are usually very good.
[10:31] <rory> once you have it working you can use a real SSL cert (or not if you don't care)
[10:34] <lordl> It is installing.
[10:34] <lordl> I've never configured an SSL certificate to access https.
[10:34] <Ben64> you must have
[10:35] <lordl> But I could access https without an SSL, how?
[10:35] <ducasse> it's not going to hurt you
[10:35] <Ben64> you couldn't
[10:35] <lordl> Ahaha.
[10:35] <lordl> With XAMPP it works.
[10:35] <Ben64> how did you install xampp
[10:35] <lordl> On https without an SSL created by me.
[10:35] <lordl> XAMPP for Linux.
[10:35] <lordl> .run file.
[10:36] <Ben64> well that's awful
[10:36] <Ben64> totally unsupported and will be vulnerable
[10:36] <lordl> What's awful?
[10:36] <Ben64> best of luck, you'll need it
[10:36] <lordl> I know, but why does XAMPP work on https?
[10:36] <lordl> Without SSL.
[10:36] <Ben64> it has ssl
[10:36] <Ben64> http"s" the s is for ssl
[10:36] <lordl> Just "NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID".
[10:36] <lordl> But it works.
[10:36] <Ben64> because it made a certificate
[10:37] <Ben64> but seriously, do not use that
[10:37] <lordl> XAMPP, but Apache2 didn't.
[10:37] <lordl> Now I mean.
[10:37] <Ben64> do you know what the A in XAMPP stands for
[10:37] <lordl> This summer I think Apache2 did.
[10:37] <Ben64> no it didn't
[10:37] <lordl> I could access it on https without a SSL created by me.
[10:37] <Ben64> we're going around in circles, have fun with your vulnerable web server
[10:38] <vimart> forget the pass mate
[10:39] <lordl> Ben64, I wanna configure an SSL now.
[10:39] <lordl> With Let's encrypt :).
[10:39] <lordl> I've uninstalled XAMPP.
[10:40] <lordl> But believe me, I've never created an SSL for Apache2.
[10:40] <ducasse> this is troubleshooting with a shotgun...
[10:40] <lordl> And I could have accessed it.
[10:40] <lordl> On https.
[10:40] <Ben64> false
[10:40] <lordl> Not false.
[10:40] <Ben64> absolutely false
[10:40] <lordl> I do not have a screenshot to prove it, but it isn't false.
[10:41] <lordl> I think Apache2 has created an SSL for me.
[10:41] <Ben64> you're describing an impossible situation so it's definitely false
[10:41] <lordl> It is not impossible if it happened to me once.
[10:41] <lordl> It's your decision not to believe.
[10:41] <Ben64> and the fact that you call it "an SSL" points to the fact that you don't really know what you're talking about
[10:41] <lordl> I've read about SSLs.
[10:41] <ducasse> lordl: you probably ran a script that did it for you or something
[10:42] <lordl> ducasse, no, just installing the system with LAMPP.
[10:42] <lordl> LAMP*
[10:42] <Ben64> SSL isn't an object
[10:42] <Flannel> Guys, please stop arguing about something that has no relevance.  lordl, I expect you want to get your new apache2 set up.  Ben64, I imagine lordl would like assistance on what to do going forward.
[10:42] <lordl> Ben64, have I called it an object?
[10:43] <lordl> Flannel, he doesn't believe me that I could access my Apache2 server on https without creating a SSL.
[10:43] <Flannel> lordl: But does it matter with regard to setting up your new server?
[10:43] <lordl> As long as it has happened..
[10:43] <lordl> Flannel, no. You are right.
[10:43] <lordl> But I need some help.
[10:44] <Ben64> sudo apt install letsencrypt && sudo letsencrypt
[10:44] <vimart> Then stop talking about pass and focus on present.
[10:44] <lordl> Okay, but I think that Apache2 has been updated or something like that.
[10:45] <Ben64> you're still on that
[10:46] <lordl> On what?
[10:47] <Ben64> your weird fantasy about how apache2 works
[10:48] <Flannel> lordl: what Ben64 means is "What do you mean you think it's updated? and how do you think that might affect your running of letsencrypt?"
[10:48] <lordl> Oh well, can't I use letsencrypt with a bare IP address?
[10:48] <lordl> Do I need a domain?
[10:48] <lordl> Really?
[10:48] <Ben64> yep
[10:56] <causative> Ubuntu 17.04 want to update "Reboot" package.  it has many strange dependencies such as "DHCP client for automatically obtaining an IP address" and "Helper library for accessing settings" and "network management framework."  Why does the Reboot package have to do that?
[10:57] <Ben64> !info reboot yakkety
[10:57] <lordl> Apache2 sucks.
[10:57] <lordl> I will try nginx.
[10:57] <lordl> ;)
[10:57] <lordl> That's the verdict!
[10:57] <Ben64> lordl: apache2 is fine
[10:57] <lordl> Ben64, I know, it was a joke.
[10:58] <Ben64> nginx won't make ssl not need a domain
[10:58] <Ben64> causative: can't find that package
[10:58] <lordl> Okay, but I do not know why Apache2 doesn't work now with https without configuring an SSL, anyway..
[10:58] <Ben64> it never did
[10:58] <causative> it's listed as Reboot in update manager, perhaps that's not the actual package name
[10:59] <Ben64> causative: try "sudo apt-get update" for the actual list
[10:59] <lordl> Ben64, you are now telling me that I have alzheimer.
[10:59] <lordl> I don't really know if Apache2 did that.
[10:59] <Ben64> lordl: i'm telling you you are mistaken
[10:59] <lordl> But I know that I could access it through https without configuring an SSL.
[11:00] <lordl> Anyway, have a nice day!
[11:03] <causative> Ben64, is it possible that "reboot" package is actually not a package and is simply a list of which packages will require a system reboot?
[11:03] <causative> apt-get upgrade -s doesn't have anything that looks like "reboot"
[11:03] <Ben64> well i'm not sure where you're seeing 'reboot'
[11:04] <causative> in Software Updater under Details of updates
[11:04] <Ben64> weird
[11:06] <causative> is there a command that will tell me why apt-get upgrade wants to install a given package?  for instance, I believe isc-dhcp-client is one of the listed dependencies for Reboot, maybe I can find out what package demands that
[11:06] <MonkeyDust> causative  apt-policy
[11:06] <akik> causative: could you make a screenshot about Reboot?
[11:09] <causative> https://imgur.com/6xuxbsN
[11:10] <Neo1> I did it, now work ssh through putty
[11:10] <causative> I guess "Reboot" is session-shortcuts
[11:10] <akik> causative: pretty unclear what it means
[11:11] <Ben64> i've never seen that
[11:11] <Ben64> mine says ubuntu-base for most updates
[11:11] <Neo1> EriC^^, gulzar, I've forced work ssh on my server, set up network
[11:11] <causative> I also have one for Ubuntu base
[11:12] <Neo1> who interesting was network problems, I think VNC works on server and has direct access to VPS ?
[11:13] <causative> I'm just concerned there might be something fishy here
[11:13] <akik> causative: maybe it just means these packages signal a need for a system restart? (/var/run/reboot-required.pkgs)
[11:13] <Neo1> I've got this http://prntscr.com/hl5ftu
[11:14] <Neo1> look what I get http://dpaste.com/04GJ36N
[11:14] <causative> akik, that file lists gconf2, linux-image-4.10.0.42-generic, and then 7 lines that all say "linux-base"
[11:14] <Neo1> why there one above network work and in bottom netowr disabled?
[11:14] <causative> 8 lines
[11:14] <Neo1> I don't know how I managed to customize my server, just it work now
[11:15] <Neo1> I put my ip and something else
[11:16] <Neo1> what does it mean (-network DISABLED) ?
[11:17] <lordl> Ben64, sorry!
[11:17] <causative> akik, when I expand the technical description for Reboot in software updater, it says it is "session-shortcuts" which is a real package that allows reboot from the dash
[11:17] <causative> but it's very strange it has so many requirements
[11:18] <lordl> I've created an SSL and it works. After that I've reinstalled Apache2 and executed "a2ensite default-ssl" and "a2enmod ssl" and it works now with Apache2's default SSL.
[11:18] <lordl> But I do not remember that I did these things once..
[11:18] <lordl> Anyway, it works.
[11:30] <TaZeR> does it look like my hard drive errors are serious failures? i dropped my laptop and now it says this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26145647/
[11:31] <TaZeR> or was it maybe just writing some files and it errored out?i cant tell the difference
[11:36] <dumbl3d0re> I'm trying to install Win10 in a QEMU VM. I want to use VirtIO, but I got a problem with loading the drivers at install.
[11:37] <dumbl3d0re> I've added a secondary CDROM with the driver ISO file, but when I try to find the drive during the install Win10 doesn't list the CDROM in the list.
[11:37] <dumbl3d0re> What I'm doing wrong?
[11:37] <dumbl3d0re> Or is there a tutorial that explains step-for-step?
[12:04] <Vuurdraak_> hi all, my dash, sidebar, & topbar out of nowhere after a boot, are gone, purging and reinstalling ubuntu-desktop & unity doesnt do anything
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:08] <Vuurdraak_> does a reinstall from synaptic also purge the setting files ?
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Vuurdraak_, only if you purged the original package
[12:11] <Neo1> I can't install my own ubuntu on server, it's always broken
[12:11] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: no purge removes the settings in your homedir
[12:11] <Neo1> What shall I do use preimage? there exists ubuntu 16.04 but there default many apps deleted
[12:11] <Neo1> ducasse: ???
[12:11] <Neo1> ducasse: nano, ufw and others
[12:12] <Vuurdraak_> if i say complete removal in synaptic does it work like a purge in apt-get ?
[12:12] <tatertots> Neo1: what happened to your server how did you break it?
[12:12] <MonkeyDust> Neo1  many default apps have been removed from the iso, to keep the iso small
[12:12] <Neo1> tatertots: Installed ISO from official site and it doesn't work, can't customize network
[12:13] <Vuurdraak_> ah yeh synaptic says it in a popup - complete removal also purges the config files
[12:13] <tatertots> Neo1: oh i see, if you're using a VPS you should probably only use the OS images provided by the VPS service
[12:13] <Neo1> sudo apt-get update doesn't work http://prntscr.com/hl5y31
[12:13] <xcom169> Hello all
[12:14] <xcom169> amdgpu driver has support for Vulkan?
[12:14] <Neo1> tatertots: that support say I can install any OS
[12:14] <Neo1> MonkeyDust: there many others apps installed, more than on digital ocean, What do you think better use default pre installed OS?
[12:14] <MonkeyDust> Neo1  try a different mirror
[12:15] <tatertots> Neo1: you can...ask long as you possess the system/network admin/engineering skills to install/configure/manage it on your own (without their support help)
[12:15] <tatertots> Neo1: when you lack the skills...you pony up or compensate for the lack there of
[12:15] <Neo1> MonkeyDust: it won't help, I dont know how customize it. Better maybe set up default , remove all apps It will faster
[12:16] <Neo1> tatertots: where?
[12:16] <Neo1> always people installed only pre installed OS?
[12:17] <Neo1> see lists of pre installed OS http://prntscr.com/hl5zhl
[12:17] <Vuurdraak_> weird, no purge & reinstall of compiz, ubuntu-desktop & unity fixes the bars, even all the bars above a program to close it with an X are gone, no idea whats going on
[12:17] <Neo1> it's normally?
[12:17] <tatertots> Neo1: if all else install a OS image provided by and supported by the VPS vendor
[12:18] <Neo1> tatertots: from that list?
[12:19] <tatertots> Neo1: try it
[12:19] <Neo1> tatertots: do you think I should install that ubuntu 16.04?
[12:19] <Neo1> yes I tired, she is working well
[12:19] <tatertots> Neo1: you shouldn't be using your own ISO unless/until you are a "expert"
[12:19] <Neo1> tatertots: ok
[12:20] <tatertots> Neo1: you need all the help/support you can get....at your skill level..don't you dare detour from the VPS vendor's built in provided OS images
[12:21] <Neo1> I thought I'm very well know ubuntu.... but hovewer will use that. ok, Go on easier way always!
[12:22] <dingir> hi
[12:22] <dingir> i just installed ubuntu 17.10 and wondering how to modify background picture
[12:22] <dingir> size, tile, center, fit
[12:22] <dingir> where are these options?
[12:22] <Vuurdraak_> i think in the option menu
[12:22] <Vuurdraak_> the cog wheel
[12:23] <ducasse> Neo1: from your questions here, it's pretty clear you are a complete beginner. go the easy route, use a prebuilt image on a host with a good reputation
[12:23] <dingir> its not there
[12:23] <dingir> i can change the background wallpaper yes, but no "fit" options whatso ever
[12:24] <Vuurdraak_> maybe its possible in compiz
[12:24] <dingir> hrmm
[12:24] <dingir> what is the new x server already
[12:25] <Vuurdraak_> cant u start compiz from the dash ?
[12:25] <xcom169> amdgpu driver has support for Vulkan?
[12:25] <dingir> ?
[12:25] <Vuurdraak_> alt+f2 search compiz
[12:25] <Neo1> ducasse: do you think this host is good http://host-food.ru , I had there shared hosting a few years VPS only buy one month. I'm going use two VPS for my projects, one on digitalocean and one here for learning difference interfaces
[12:26] <Neo1> there completely different interfaces
[12:27] <Vuurdraak_> dingir, i cant look with u , as i got a problem my self, i have no more dash and bars etc :')
[12:28] <ducasse> dingir: if you're on 17.10, are you really using unity, or do you use the new gnome-based desktop?
[12:28] <dingir> strange
[12:28] <dingir> how do i know if im using unityh
[12:28] <Vuurdraak_> i need to start progrs from a seperate console with env DISPLAY=:0
[12:28] <Vuurdraak_> im on unity
[12:29] <dingir> how to know?
[12:29] <ducasse> dingir: unless you specifically installed unity, you're using gnome
[12:29] <dingir> im probably on gnome..
[12:29] <Vuurdraak_> ow yeh its probebly gnome, im on 14.04 lts
[12:29] <Vuurdraak_> forgot there is this whole new unity desktop
[12:30] <geirha> *new non-unity desktop   fixed that for you
[12:31] <Vuurdraak_> :')
[12:32] <Vuurdraak_> i have this weird feeling a config file somewhere is killing my bars, as i was fiddeling around with my voltages for the cpu, and my bars disapeared suddenly after a boot
[12:42] <Vuurdraak_> if i would upgrade to 16.04 lts, i'm assuming it will purge config files and set them to defaults ? or not ?
[12:45] <MonkeyDust> Vuurdraak_  in april, the new lts 18.04 will be released
[12:45] <Vuurdraak_> yeh but this is to fix my problem that i can not get the dash/bars back
[12:45] <geirha> Vuurdraak_: not. Especially config files under your homedir will be untouched
[12:46] <Vuurdraak_> okay
[12:46] <geirha> under /etc it may ask you if you want to replace a config file, or keep your custom one
[12:46] <Vuurdraak_> i have no idea what i can do to get it back basicly
[12:49] <Vuurdraak_> i guess i can give it a try anyway, as all the websites online advice to purge and reinstall compiz, ubuntu-desktop & unity, but it doesnt seem to do anything for me
[12:49] <MonkeyDust> Vuurdraak_  try   unity --reset
[12:49] <Vuurdraak_> with sudo ?
[12:50] <Vuurdraak_> error the reset option is now depricated :')
[12:53] <akik> Vuurdraak_: how about: dconf reset -f /
[12:53] <mentalita> is there an irc client that lets you group related channels in a folder in the channel switcher tree?
[12:53] <MonkeyDust> akik  i was typing the same ... https://cowizard.altervista.org/how-to-reset-ubuntu-desktop-to-default-settings/
[12:54] <MonkeyDust> Vuurdraak_  ^^^
[12:54] <Vuurdraak_> i guess i need to add a env DISPLAY=0 infront of it so it affects the x11 gui session ?
[12:54] <Vuurdraak_> :0
[12:55] <MonkeyDust> mentalita  better ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:55] <Vuurdraak_> restarting lightdm brb
[12:56] <mentalita> you are a smart cookie MonkeyDust aren't you
[12:59] <MonkeyDust> mentalita  yes, it's a compensation for my hideous face, now back ontopic please
[13:00] <GrandPa-G> I have a reboot cron job that needs to have the network running. How do I make sure it is running before executing command?
[13:17] <Vuurdraak_> ahh made it back, lol my freenode nicksrv password was reset with reseting dconf :'), all works okay now thanks again
[13:18] <Vuurdraak_> I used a: env DISPLAY=:0 XAUTHORITY=/home/USERNAME/.Xauthority dconf reset -f /
[13:18] <Vuurdraak_> as i could not open a cli in the gui directly anymore
[13:18] <Vuurdraak_> i'll add the dconf reset to my important ubuntu notes, thanks again for helping out
[13:26] <ChunkzZ1> I seem to have removed nm-applet from Xubuntu taskbar somehow and I can't get it back. what should I do?
[13:26] <ChunkzZ1> it's listed under startapp apps....
[13:29] <ChunkzZ1> nvm, sorted it. lol sorry..
[13:29] <akik> Vuurdraak_: how did you run that command? from where?
[13:47] <Vuurdraak_> sorry was in the shower :)
[13:47] <Vuurdraak_> i went to another tty
[13:47] <Vuurdraak_> ctrl+alt+f1
[13:48] <Vuurdraak_> and then run it with the env set
[13:48] <Vuurdraak_> as dconf needs the x11 session to reset
[13:48] <Vuurdraak_> @akik
[13:49] <Vuurdraak_> in theory i could have also started a new terinal window in the gui that way
[13:49] <Vuurdraak_> but this was the more direct route
[13:49] <EriC^^> i think @ doesn't highlight here
[13:50] <Vuurdraak_> @ akik
[13:50] <Vuurdraak_> there :D
[13:50] <EriC^^> ;)
[13:50] <Vuurdraak_> terinal = terminal* :D
[13:55] <akik> Vuurdraak_: ok i didn't know you could start xorg apps from the virtual console
[13:56] <Vuurdraak_> i had no terminal access anymore from the gui ctrl+alt+T did nothing, using: env DISPLAY=:0 XAUTHORITY=/home/USERNAME/.Xauthority APPNAME
[13:56] <Vuurdraak_> can then still start a program in the gui that needs
[13:57] <Vuurdraak_> which is how i still could start up xchat and ask u guys what to do, thanks again for helping out ;)
[14:30] <cnnx> how can I run a script after X starts in ubuntu 16
[14:30] <cnnx> i tried adding it in startup applications
[14:30] <cnnx> but it wont start
[14:30] <cnnx> and if i run it in the terminal in X it starts
[14:32] <ducasse> cnnx: does the script rely on any environment variables?
[14:32] <cnnx> ducasse: no its one line
[14:32] <cnnx> /usr/bin/vncserver-x11-serviced
[14:36] <Thyriaen> i just installed Ubuntu 17.10 ( default desktop version ) on my x1 carbon and updated - no changes made and it gets stuck on shutdown - https://imgur.com/a/CgNZW what can i do ?
[14:37] <dumbl3d0re> I've Win10 installed in a VM and trying to get a network connection via the host.
[14:38] <dumbl3d0re> I'm using VirtIO for the network. Installed the drivers and rebooted the VM, but I still can't get a network connection. :(
[14:39] <co0lBeanzz> Virtualbox?
[14:39] <Vuurdraak_> vm software like virtualbox is not part of ubuntu
[14:39] <Vuurdraak_> better ask with the people from the vm software
[14:40] <Vuurdraak_> or try a different vm
[14:40] <dumbl3d0re> I'm using libvirt with virt-manager
[14:40] <Vuurdraak_> ow there isa buildin vm ?
[14:40] <Vuurdraak_> i didnt know sorry
[14:40] <Vuurdraak_> try using virtualbox for instance from oracle, works fine with me
[14:41] <Vuurdraak_> forgot the other one
[14:41] <Vuurdraak_> vwware
[14:41] <Vuurdraak_> they have free to use vm's
[14:42] <dumbl3d0re> It got horrible performance. I'll be using VS for development so it's a no go on Virtualbox.
[14:42] <dumbl3d0re> I got everything else up and running, just the network that doesn't connect.
[14:43] <ducasse> Vuurdraak_: virtualbox is in the ubuntu repos
[14:44] <ducasse> !info virtualbox
[14:44] <Vuurdraak_> okay :')
[14:44] <Vuurdraak_> i think i installed their ppa
[14:44] <compdoc> I use libvirt with virt-manager on production servers, but they dont need to be hella fast
[14:45] <dumbl3d0re> compdoc: Are you using VirtIO?
[14:46] <Vuurdraak_> @ Thyriaen , maybe it's an BIOS issue ? not sure why the system reaches shutdown but never shuts down looks weird
[14:46] <compdoc> dumbl3d0re. only wth windows guests
[14:47] <ChadTaljaardt> If i want to make my laravel a API server, how do i handle authentication? So when i post to /login is there a way i can return a access token refresh token and expiry ?
[14:48] <rosco_y> My mouse is getting stuck in the icon bar on the edge of my display.  How can I turn that off?
[14:48] <Vuurdraak_> @ Thyriaen , did you test what happens if you disable EFI ?
[14:48] <dumbl3d0re> compdoc: Did you have any problems with the network? I'm using 17.10 and Win10
[14:51] <Vuurdraak_> @ rosco_y in your settings -> appearance -> behavior , you can set how the side bar should behave, not sure what you mean
[14:52] <rosco_y> @Vuurdraak_, Thank you.  I was just trying to figure out if I was describing my problem accurately.  When I move my mouse from one display to the other, it get's stuck on the left edge of my right display.
[14:53] <rosco_y> And that's where my side bar is
[14:53] <Vuurdraak_> weird
[14:54] <Thyriaen> Vuurdraak_, how do i do that ? ( Do i have to install ubuntu with legacy bios settings ? )
[14:54] <rosco_y> @Vuurdraak_, I think it began after I tried to add a gui for switching workspaces.
[14:54] <rosco_y> I don't see an appearance tab in my settings dialog though.
[14:55] <Vuurdraak_> @ Thyriaen , efi should work i think, but i have hear problems in the past with efi , only thing i could think of that might somehow give the shtdown problem then again it might be something else, cant you just boot with efi off ? i wasn't advising to reinstall
[14:56] <Vuurdraak_> just to see if it the behaves differently
[14:56] <Thyriaen> Vuurdraak_, how do i boot with efi off ?
[14:56] <Vuurdraak_> you need to set that in your BIOS
[14:56] <Vuurdraak_> press del when booting normaly to get in to the bios
[14:56] <Thyriaen> Vuurdraak_, i just disable EFI and set to "always use legacy bios" ?
[14:57] <Vuurdraak_> yeh
[14:57] <Thyriaen> Vuurdraak_, kk
[14:57] <rosco_y> @Vuurdraak_, it's not the dock, I moved the dock to the left edge of my left display, and my mouse is getting stuck on the left edge of my right panel.
[14:57] <Thyriaen> its currently set to UEFI first
[14:58] <rosco_y> It's as though the left edge of my right panel is "sticky"
[14:58] <Thyriaen> Vuurdraak_, thats what i thought - i cannot boot with legacy bios ( i think i have to reinstall it ) - no boot device found
[14:58] <Vuurdraak_> @ rosco_y i thought ubuntu supported multiple displays standard, maybe the extra program you installed gives problems ?
[14:59] <Vuurdraak_> @ Thyriaen , i'm not sure its an uefi problem though
[14:59] <rosco_y> @Vuurdraak_I think you're right.  the problem jumped in right after I installed an "extension".  I'll have to see if I can remember what it was called and remove it.
[14:59] <Thyriaen> Vuurdraak_, its worth a try though - only takes like 15 mins to do a reinstall
[14:59] <compdoc> dumbl3d0re, theres a stange problem with the network when you virtio nics, but I think most people will never notice it. I think its best to use e1000 nics instead
[15:00] <Vuurdraak_> @ rosco_y  yeh try to remove it and see what happens
[15:00] <Thyriaen> Vuurdraak_, cause right now i have tried debain, ubuntu17.10 ubuntu16.10 - upgrading the kernel and i dont know where else to look
[15:00] <Vuurdraak_> @ Thyriaen if its not a big tyhing to reinstall you can try it i guess
[15:00] <Thyriaen> Vuurdraak_, yea - do you have any other ideas what the problem might be ?
[15:00] <Vuurdraak_> i have not had this problem my self
[15:01] <Vuurdraak_> but i dont use UEFI
[15:01] <rosco_y> Thanks @Vuurdraak_--I appreciate your help!!
[15:01] <Vuurdraak_> np :)
[15:02] <Vuurdraak_> it's kind of weird that an otherwise standard shutdown signal should not effect the PC/BIOS
[15:03] <Vuurdraak_> seeing your booting with UEFI, it sort of sparked my first line of thought that UEFI might be the problem in some way or form but not sure
[15:03] <Vuurdraak_> as so many people had problems with it
[15:05] <EriC^^> Thyriaen: did you try any acpi stuff?
[15:06] <Vuurdraak_> then again, different motherboards might spawn all kind of unknown problems, i recently read that my own motherboard has weird potential issues with using multiple sata ports while using some other thing i don't have enabled, so it could be some mobo specific thing
[15:07] <Thyriaen> EriC^^, no - whats that and how do i do it ? xD
[15:07] <Vuurdraak_> in linux
[15:09] <Vuurdraak_> anyway i need to get  to the supermarket, i leave u in the more proffesional hands of eric ;)
[15:09] <EriC^^> Thyriaen: when the pc starts hold shift to get grub, then press "e", go to the line that says linux /boot/vmlinuz ...quiet splash and try removing quiet splash and replacing it with acpi=force and press f10 to boot
[15:11] <dumbl3d0re> compdoc: I'll test it!
[15:12] <Thyriaen> EriC^^, alright will give it a shot - right now i just did a reinstall and shutdown is working - running apt upgrade right now which includes upgrading the kernel to 4.13 - i have a feeling that might introduce the error if it does then i will try your solution
[15:12] <EriC^^> cnnx: you can use "startup apps"
[15:13] <EriC^^> Thyriaen: alright
[15:14] <Vuurdraak_> interesting, so disabling uefi did help ?
[15:15] <Vuurdraak_> ah the kernel update might have brought the error
[15:16] <Vuurdraak_> anyway im off good luck everybody, may all ur problems melt away :)
[15:19] <Thyriaen> nice
[15:19] <Thyriaen> disabling efi bios fixed it i believe
[15:21] <Thyriaen> ah no it did not :(
[15:24] <Thyriaen> EriC^^, it is stuck here now : https://imgur.com/a/5Wazf
[15:26] <NeoFrontier> Hello, I made a script which is in a infinite while loop. I'd like to kill -9 it but the process is not showing. I thought all user process will show when you do a ps -au
[15:26] <EriC^^> NeoFrontier: it might be called "bash" or something
[15:26] <NeoFrontier> But the script name is now showing up. Only the sleep inside it shows up.
[15:27] <NeoFrontier> EriC^^, Yeah
[15:27] <NeoFrontier> which one... mmmm
[15:27] <NeoFrontier> killall bash killed it @ EriC^^
[15:28] <AREyouTHEone> Hey guys, can anyone help me with fixing my permissions back? I tried to fix my npms permissions by following these steps: https://docs.npmjs.com/getting-started/fixing-npm-permissions#option-2-change-npms-default-directory-to-another-directory and then I ran sudo chown -R $(whoami) $(npm config get prefix)/{lib/node_modules,bin,share} which I wasn't supposed to do because my npm prefix was /usr.
[15:28] <EriC^^> Thyriaen: is this with the acpi=force?
[15:38] <alkisg> AREyouTHEone: run sudo chown -R root $(npm config get prefix)/{lib/node_modules,bin,share}
[15:41] <Li> how can I download offline application for raspbian using ubuntu apt?
[15:42] <compdoc> to install on ubuntu?
[15:43] <compdoc> apt updates ubuntu and programs installed on ubuntu
[15:43] <Thyriaen> EriC^^, no i have not tried your idea yet
[15:45] <NeoFrontier> I need to talk to a ARDrone 2 superhacker expert.
[15:45] <NeoFrontier> Where do I find that ?
[15:49] <Li> compdoc: I want to download rPi packages on ubuntu PC then install from scard on rPi
[15:50] <compdoc> dont need apt for that. just downlaod and transfer to the scard
[15:53] <tatertots> NeoFrontier: what linux issue are you having with the unit?
[15:54] <Li> compdoc: I'm not sure every available rPi application on rPi repository is directly available from the website as an arm package
[15:54] <Li> simple example http://lynx.invisible-island.net/release/
[15:54] <de-facto> Li maybe ask in #raspbian or look around on their servers: http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/   and howtos: https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
[15:56] <de-facto> Li there are also ubuntu variants available https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/ https://developer.ubuntu.com/core/get-started/raspberry-pi-2-3
[15:56] <Li> de-facto: I thought this is general ubuntu question since both distro(s) are using apt
[15:56] <de-facto> but they are using different repositories and even different cpu architectures
[15:56] <Li> in fact maybe it's better to ask at apt but it's inactive channel
[15:58] <de-facto> you cant simply download rpi packages (armhf) with your i386 or amd64 arch ubuntu, you need your rpi linux installed and booted from sdcard, then you can use the apt on that to download packages with established internet connection
[15:59] <Thyriaen> EriC^^, i set acpi to force but still the same result
[15:59] <leftyfb> Li: your question has nothing to do with ubuntu at all. The fact that you're running Ubuntu on the machine you're downloading the packages with is irrelevant. You could use a Fedora PC to download the packages or even Windows. There's nothing specific to Ubuntu that will assist you.
[16:00] <leftyfb> Li: Also, it's discouraged to be asking the same question in multiple channels. Especially when someone else is helping you in that other channel.
[16:02] <DanNotTheMan> Hi, with 17.10 I'm stuck at maximum cpu frequency with the pstate driver. Has anyone else had this occur? Frequency scaling works fine in windows
[16:06] <Li> leftyfb: that is your opinion and it's subjective I respect that and you can learn to respect others questions or just ignore them but I don't think you have the right to discorage asking question in the channel
[16:06] <ruben> Hi, when running cordova i get this java stack trace, https://pastebin.com/q4MgwvDG  , I'm banging my head against a concrete wall... What can i do?
[16:08] <akik> Li: it's the opinion of many people
[16:09] <akik> !crosspost | Li
[16:09] <ruben> or in which channel should i ask this question?
[16:09] <Li> akik: if u think it's irrelevant just ignore it and everyone else (from those many people) will ignore it.
[16:10] <Li> akik: Please don't repeat the same opinion in the same channel
[16:10] <Li> mother fucker
[16:11] <akik> people...
[16:18] <ruben> ah this is kid's channel
[16:19] <ruben> maybe disney channel
[16:19] <ruben> :D :D
[17:11] <pennTeller> Hi guys I just got an ubuntu vps and I keep seeing: 7 packages can be updated.
[17:11] <pennTeller> 7 updates are security updates.
[17:11] <pennTeller> I ran sudo apt-get update and upgrade but nothing :(
[17:12] <alkisg> apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:12] <pennTeller> alkisg, thank you
[17:12] <alkisg> np
[17:13] <pennTeller> I can confirm that worked :D
[17:15] <eno_> hi everyone. i'm on a plain console with 2 monitors, and my bigger screen is mirroring my smaller screen, and it's using the smaller resolution of the smaller screen as well. does anyone know how i can shut off the smaller screen / or use the full size of my larger monitor?
[17:19] <timofonic> Hello
[17:21] <timofonic> Where's the fwts team stuff? I can't find an issue tracker on both Canonical's LauchPad, GitHub or GitLab. Is there just a mailing list for communicate with them? I wonder if there's more parties involved other than FWTS. I would like to make it run in "daemon mode" with certain extreme tests, then reboot and continue testing is the system breaks or reboots :P
[17:22] <timofonic> I want to provide a massive report, as I experience massive responsiveness and suspend/resume issues plus some GFX nasty stuff sometimes, sometimes the keyboard and/or trackpad doesn't work and need to reboot until it gets fixed, etc.
[17:23] <timofonic> I use a bunch of distros. I currently use Archlinux at host, but that's going to change ad I want a more diverse set of environments and not just by using VMs (and expand my mindset too, I'm struggling to learn programming at a vocational school)
[17:28] <nemo> Hey folks.  Do any of you happen to know of a chromebook work-alike for ubuntu?
[17:28] <nemo> That is, ARM, SSD, cheap, insane battery life
[17:28] <nemo> basically a tablet in a laptop format
[17:29] <nemo> I've given up on getting linux on chromebox due to google's passive-aggressive hostility to it
[17:29] <nemo> s/box/books/
[17:31] <nemo> hm. guess I should be searching for Windows RT with unlocked bootloader
[17:33] <timofonic> nemo: Nuke that shit from the hardware, use napalm if necessary. Are you using Microsoft Surface?
[17:35] <MonkeyDust> timofonic  mind your language
[17:35] <timofonic> nemo: A tablet in a laptop format scares me as ARM unfortunately is even more insane than X86 practical duopoly. Lots of closed source drivers, Android everywhere and such
[17:36] <timofonic> MonkeyDust: Sorry, I'm very prone to use certain words. It's a mild form of Tourette-like. I'll try to avoid, I should use a filter in my IRC client or whatever :P
[17:37] <jeremies> I'm trying to connect to an vnc server but the speed network is 300 Kb/s when iperf gives speeds of 100Mb/s
[17:37] <jeremies> why?
[17:37] <GrandPa-G> I am trying to setup a simple python program to start when the network starts and just send out ping packets forever. It works fine at command line, but it looks like it dies at boot since it can't find dns name to connect with. this is service file https://pastebin.com/VPDGmBdQ
[17:39] <nemo> timofonic: the problem with chromebooks is you are basically unable to completely get rid of "chromeos"
[17:39] <nemo> timofonic: it's in a protected blob.  napalm is literally necessary. sealed under epoxy on the HD
[17:40] <nemo> timofonic: and google nags you on reboot every single time in developer mode to reset using spacebar
[17:40] <nemo> timofonic: which is why I gave up on chroot and crouton. lost data way too many times. that's the passive aggressive part
[17:40] <alkisg> jeremies: vnc has round trips so it can't use all the bandwidth, try remote x or x2go
[17:41] <nemo> timofonic: as for ARM, yes, that's the downside, which was why I was asking here.  would like one with some sort of linux graphics acceleration...
[17:43] <jeremies> alkisg: you mean ssh -X?
[17:43] <akik> nemo: have you seen the pinebook?
[17:46] <nemo> akik: no actually. link?
[17:46] <nemo> s/on the HD/on the motherboard/
[17:47] <alkisg> jeremies: no, xauth + remote DISPLAY, xorg is a network protocol too
[17:48] <jeremies> alkisg: can you give me some links about that ?
[17:48] <nemo> jeremies: ssh -Y  (and sometimes -YC) love that command
[17:49] <nemo> jeremies: but alkisg is right, I still use -Y tho.  am lazy.
[17:49] <nemo> jeremies: your speed problems are puzzling though.  what are you using for the vnc setup?  any optimisations like texture caching or compression?
[17:50] <alkisg> ssh is too slow
[17:50] <alkisg> remote x => you can watch video over lan
[17:50] <alkisg> bb in 20'...
[17:51] <jeremies> I use this command to start the server: sudo x11vnc -auth guess -forever -loop -noxdamage -repeat -rfbauth /home/quimet/.vnc/passwd -rfbport 5900 -shared
[17:51] <jeremies> and for the client I use vinagre with no compression
[17:52] <nemo> jeremies: why did you turn DAMAGE off?
[17:53] <nemo> jeremies: you might want to try ncache too
[17:53] <jeremies> nemo: I copied from internet, i have to disable it?
[17:53] <nemo> jeremies: -noxdamage is less efficient. should only use it if there's a problem
[17:54] <jeremies> there is x2go in ubuntu repositories?
[17:54] <nemo> jeremies: depends what you're doing I guess
[17:54] <nemo> jeremies: for linux to linux I would use straight X11
[17:55] <akik> jeremies: x2go has their own repository for ubuntu
[17:55] <nemo> jeremies: ssh -Y if lazy (it really isn't that much overhead w/ modern machines)  or just raw X11 on trusted networks like alkisg said
[17:57] <nemo> akik: is x2go based off of google's neatx?  been years since I used nx anything
[17:57] <nemo> just can't be bothered to get all that setup anymore
[17:57] <akik> nemo: it's based on the nomachine nx v3 libs
[17:59] <jeremies> akik: how to do xauth + remote DISPLAY, any link from internet?
[17:59] <akik> jeremies: you install the x2go server packages on the server and x2go client on the client. data transmission is over ssh
[18:00] <nemo> jeremies: my fav thing about remote X was being able to run apps at home pretty damn responsively in my ubuntu chroot on my Note 4 ☺
[18:00] <nemo> jeremies: like, I'd fire up eclipse from home to get some code update done for work while out on a walk
[18:00] <nemo> I could run eclipse on the phone too, but home env was setup better
[18:00] <dingir> hi
[18:00] <dingir> how can i change the mouse selection rectangle color on the desktop
[18:01] <dingir> when you hold the mouse and draw a selection box on the desktop...
[18:01] <alkisg> jeremies: what's your actual use case, why do you need remote display on lan?
[18:01] <alkisg> jeremies: in order of speed: ssh -X (slowest), ssh -Y, vnc, x2go, remote X (fastest)
[18:02] <jeremies> alkisg: because i have old computers to be connected remotely to a new computer
[18:02] <alkisg> jeremies: that's what ltsp.org is about
[18:02] <alkisg> There's a ready solution for you; no need to reinvent it :)
[18:02] <alkisg> LTSP uses remote X
[18:02] <dingir> any clue
[18:03] <onio> Turned on my laptop about an hour ago and noticed that the bluetooth no longer works. I am using ubuntu mate 16.04
[18:03] <alkisg> jeremies: type /join #ltsp
[18:03] <onio> I have rebooted a few time and on one occasion it started working
[18:04] <jeremies> alkisg: thank you very much
[18:04] <onio> works fine in Windows 10 as I have dual boot
[18:04] <jeremies> :)
[18:04] <akik> x2go has very nice features like session handling and usage over very low bandwidth links
[18:04] <alkisg> You can't watch video over lan though, with anything other than remote X
[18:04] <akik> not sure if ltsp does x2go
[18:04] <nemo> alkisg: welllll
[18:05] <alkisg> No, it doesn't
[18:05] <nemo> alkisg: there's various linux streaming media solutions
[18:05] <nemo> alkisg: don't *need* remote X for that ☺
[18:05] <alkisg> nemo: yes, but they aren't related to remote desktop
[18:05] <nemo> alkisg: well, it oculd be a separate "video over lan" use case
[18:05] <nemo> guess it depends how thin the client is
[18:05] <alkisg> You can't stream the youtube applet of the browser (easily)
[18:05] <nemo> mm
[18:06] <alkisg> Also, even things like libreoffice calc scroling are extremely slow without remote X
[18:06] <alkisg> It's not only about video; but video is more easily benchmarked
[18:06] <akik> alkisg: what is remote X ?
[18:07] <alkisg> akik: In the old days, xorg was about remote terminals displaying graphics, while the processes ran on a mainframe
[18:07] <nemo> alkisg: I've successfully done things like play an MMORPG over RDP not even over lan, over internet. ☺  frame rate was crap, but I didn't actually die ☺
[18:07] <alkisg> So the xorg protocol is also a network protocol
[18:07] <akik> alkisg: yes i know, but it's slow as ...
[18:07] <nemo> alkisg: was mostly doing simple exploration and farming
[18:07] <alkisg> It's the fastest there is
[18:07] <alkisg> akik: you're talking about ssh -X, which is a completely different thing
[18:07] <alkisg> This introduces ssh/encryption etc latencies
[18:07] <akik> alkisg: x2go is faster
[18:07] <alkisg> akik: I spend 10 years comparingthose
[18:07] <nemo> alkisg: I think for games RDP does a pretty good job actually, since X can't accelerate the raw pixels, while RDP can aggressively 24→8 downsample and jpeg compress
[18:08] <alkisg> Are you sure you don't prefer to listen to experience? :)
[18:08] <nemo> it'll look ugly but be pretty fast if CPU can handle it
[18:08] <nemo> alkisg: if he's remote he might need ssh anyway. he did say remote - he didn't specify LAN
[18:08] <alkisg> nemo: when you introduce software compression, the game is lost
[18:09] <akik> alkisg: do you mean talking the x11 protocol over the network like we did 20 years ago?
[18:09] <alkisg> He said 100 mbps with old computers, I guess it's lan
[18:09] <alkisg> akik, indeed. You can for example watch xvideo with 50 mbps without dropped frames at all, full screen
[18:09] <alkisg> You cannot do that with any other method, except with rdp with remotefx, which is extremely limited
[18:11] <akik> using remote x has been discouraged by ubuntu for a long time
[18:11] <alkisg> akik: x2go is much faster than X when used over WAN, e.g. in ADSL 10 mbps lines with respective latencies.In LAN, X is the fastest ther is
[18:11] <alkisg> Discouraged? Where did you see that?
[18:11] <akik> alkisg: there's no encryption
[18:11] <alkisg> True, that's what makes it fast
[18:12] <alkisg> With encryption, from 30 fps you get down to 5 fps on old machines
[18:12] <akik> even Xorg is started with -nolisten tcp
[18:12] <pennTeller> Hi guys, anybody know a good alternative to Apache OfBiz that is also free?
[18:12] <alkisg> Yes, that was changed recently, because people don't use remote xorg anymore frequently
[18:13] <alkisg> But for old computers, remote xorg is the fastest, and it still works fine...
[18:18] <nemo> akik: "
[18:18] <nemo> The pinebook cannot be run solely on free software now (September 2017), and the linux kernel choice is limited to an old no longer supported version (3.10) with binary blobs to support most of the hardware, including the Mali graphics or any kind of 2D or 3D acceleration."
[18:18] <nemo> akik: the usual problem with ARM ☹  maybe there's no good solution out there
[18:19] <nemo> it's the reason debian/ubuntu on RPi is such a pain
[19:07] <timofonic> alkisg: Is x2go a really alive project? I wonder about hardware acceleration, quality and efficiency. What happened to those Open Source versions of that X11 protocol compression? I did read about other "protocol" that uses H264/H265 or such too, but I wonder if that's really efficient or just a workaround just like Miracast/MiracleCast stuff :P
[19:08] <timofonic> nemo: But can't be rewrote to pure CoreBoot? :P
[19:09] <timofonic> nemo: ARM SoC with full FOSS support is like an utopia :(
[19:13] <nemo> timofonic: https://johnlewis.ie/custom-chromebook-firmware/rom-download/
[19:13] <nemo> timofonic: apparently yes, with brickable risk
[19:13] <nemo> timofonic: still probably crap Mali problem. seems that exists everywhere
[19:18] <JoshuaD> Not sure which channel to ask this question -- do you guys think firefox or iridium are better from a libre point of view?
[19:21] <alkisg> timofonic: you can see how active a project it from its commits: https://code.x2go.org/gitweb
[19:21] <alkisg> 35 hours ago => alive
[19:22] <nemo> JoshuaD: firefox IMO
[19:23] <grantsmith> "upgraded" to 17.10. Now everything is hideously slow. Any clues ?
[19:23] <grantsmith> s
[19:23] <JoshuaD> @nemo how come?
[19:24] <grantsmith> might be time to ditch ubuntu and put mint on this pc
[19:37] <timofonic> nemo: Yes, somebody should send a big nuke to ARM headquarters and their new Japanese overlords. And kidnap Linaro developers to force them do a first class FOSS Mali DRM (kernel, not restriction crap) and MESA driver :P
[19:38] <timofonic> alkisg: Thanks. 35 hours looks alive, but not thriving :P
[20:14] <MonkeyDust> df -h
[20:14] <MonkeyDust> oops
[20:35] <jeffrey_f> help:  I can login from a the login screen.  If system locks, it doesn't accept my password.  Yes, password is correct.
[20:36] <nemo> JoshuaD: do you not check /msg ? ☺
[20:37] <Seveas> jeffrey_f: hiy ctrl+alt+f1, can you log in there? If so, check the logs for auth errors
[20:39] <JoshuaD> @nemo,  Ha!, my bad
[20:39] <jeffrey_f> Seveas: where are the logs?
[20:40] <Seveas> sudo journalctl -e
[20:42] <hotwater99999> e2fsprogs may render system unstable: is e2fsprogs a file that is not a good idea to remove? if so im curious as to why.
[20:42] <Seveas> hotwater99999: e2fsprogs is kinda important... where did you get the idea it is making your ssytem unstable?
[20:43] <autopsy> It has all your Ext filesystem tools
[20:44] <hotwater99999> i meant if you remove it ..it says it can render the system unstable...the reason i was thinking about removing it Seveas and autopsy is because I wanted to build a newer update from source.
[20:44] <Seveas> hotwater99999: bad idea.
[20:44] <hotwater99999> why
[20:44] <Seveas> if you must build a newer version, just install it in a different place that is not on $PATH by default.
[20:44] <jeremies> I have one computer and several users that want to access a folder, how to share this folder across users ?
[20:45] <hotwater99999> so your saying a update from source Seveas could mess some stuff up?
[20:46] <Seveas> jeremies: create a group, put all those users in it, and chmod g+ws the folder and any folders in it, chmod g+w all files and folders in it and chgrp it all to that group. The g+ws on the folder makes the permissions 'stick'
[20:46] <Seveas> hotwater99999: absolutely. What's the reason you want to do this?
[20:47] <hotwater99999> well i wanted to use the newer version but i can use the older one that its the repo
[20:47] <Seveas> what's your reason for wanting to use the new version?
[20:47] <hotwater99999> defrag
[20:48] <jeffrey_f> Seveas: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26149263
[20:48] <Seveas> defrag is a myth from the windows 98 era.
[20:49] <hotwater99999> not on a hdd thats near capacity it seems
[20:49] <Seveas> then don't go near capacity :) That doesn't defrag properly anyways
[20:49] <hotwater99999> how you know?
[20:49] <Seveas> jeffrey_f: your disk is full.
[20:50] <jeffrey_f> Seveas: hmm,
[20:50] <Seveas> apparently that now also causes you to be unable to log come back from lock :)
[20:51] <alkisg> hotwater99999: which ubuntu version are you using? e4defrag has been in ubuntu for ages...
[20:51] <hotwater99999> i know its in ubuntu alkisg ..i have 16.04
[20:51] <alkisg> hotwater99999: and what makes you think you need a newer version, did you see something important in the changelog?
[20:52] <hotwater99999> i didnt really look but i saw that there was a newwer version and they recommended updating but i guess thats a standard message
[20:52] <alkisg> Who recommends updating? Where did you see that?
[20:53] <alkisg> The recommendation is, "use the versions provided by your distros"... so that things don't break :)
[20:54] <hotwater99999> All users of e2fsprogs are urged to upgrade to the 1.43.7 version as soon as possible,
[20:54] <hotwater99999> http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/
[20:57] <jeffrey_f> Seveas: ok then, http://paste.ubuntu.com/26149344
[20:57] <auronandace> hotwater99999: bugfix/security updates are provided by the distro. any updates that apply to your system will come to the normal update process using the ubuntu repos
[21:04] <jeffrey_f> Seveas: any idea to remedy.  but it doesn't look like anything is actually full
[21:07] <Seveas> jeffrey_f: free -m
[21:09] <Seveas> actually, nope, that would show up as a full /tun
[21:11] <Seveas> jeffrey_f: I basically have no clue right now. Clearly something is thinking your disk is full... Are you doing anything silly with quota perhaps?
[21:21] <tomreyn> free -m shows ram, not file system allocation (that'd be df -h / -i)
[21:21] <tomreyn> s/ram/memory/
[21:33] <jeffrey_f> Seveas: nope.
[21:33] <klemax> I was looking for a way to see my ubuntu's datas on windows. I found Ext2Fsd but it cant process ext4 with 64 bit enabled. That would corrupt my data on ubuntu 17.10
[21:34] <klemax> Any other options being tested?
[21:34] <jeffrey_f> klemax: Samba
[21:34] <klemax> jeffrey_f: samba on win?
[21:35] <jeffrey_f> klemax: are you talking an ubuntu box and a Win box?
[21:35] <klemax> yeah dual boot.
[21:36] <klemax> I wanna see ext4 filesystem on windows.
[21:36] <klemax> but some options cause data corruption. I just wanna be sure.
[21:37] <jeffrey_f> klemax: explain data corruption??
[21:37] <auronandace> klemax: why not set up a storage partition for both OS's to share?
[21:38] <klemax> auronandace: too late for it.
[21:38] <jeffrey_f> auronandace: would be my other suggestion.
[21:40] <jeffrey_f> klemax: add a disk as a data only disk.
[21:42] <klemax> I do not have an external disk.
[22:06] <codedmart> What is the best way to completely power down my discrete AMD graphics card?
[22:21]  * capella -> 420 \o/
[22:21] <capella> ahd DOH! tabfail
[22:21] <capella> Now you know my darkest secrets
[22:40] <simulant_> hi can anyone please help me out, i'm running debian but thought I'd ask in ubuntu as often people help here and not getting much reply anywhere else. I can't boot my raid1 system, it gets stuck with ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid does not exist and i'm stuck at initramfs!! thanks if anyone can help
[22:43]  * archpc waits for ARMA to be Linux-ready
[22:44] <Bashing-om> simulant_: debian is not supported in this chnnel . join ##linux for assistance; I am there .
[23:15] <alexas> how to remap right ALT to CTRL?
[23:15] <alexas> the simple way please!
[23:18] <alexas> ok will get to that later, not that important really
[23:21] <genewitch> how do i stop the default desktop from starting on boot? I don't want CLI only, i want my alternative GUI to start. (i.e. not X11)
[23:26] <Bashing-om> genewitch: If your hardware supports it -- at the login screen there is a drop down to select wayland .
[23:27] <Bashing-om> genewitch: ^^ that is on release 17.10 :)
[23:29] <jeremies> I want to erase all content from a disk and format with gpt but not uefi. I have to create a MBR partition?
[23:31] <mirak> hello
[23:32] <mirak> I am on 16.04 and want to go to 17.10 . What is the recommended way ?
[23:34] <genewitch> Bashing-om: it's not wayland either, i think it's kodi? It's retropie, and i can't get it to boot to retropie instead of gnome or whatever
[23:34] <genewitch> mirak: are you sure you want to do that?
[23:34] <genewitch> mirak: especially if you are on a laptop, i don't recommend that
[23:40] <Bashing-om> genewitch: What options does the systen have ' ls -al /usr/share/xsessions/
[23:41] <mirak> genewitch, why ? no it's desktop
[23:41] <mirak> genewitch, I have btrfs snapshots and multiboots, so it's ok
[23:42] <mirak> genewitch, by the way i did a mistake and went from 16.04 straight to 18.04
[23:44] <genewitch> Bashing-om: ubuntu.desktop
[23:45] <genewitch> mirak: it's usually (as root): apt update && apt upgrade && apt dist-upgrade && do-release-upgrade
[23:46] <Bashing-om> genewitch: Then that tells me you have no other options installed .
[23:46] <genewitch> oh sorry mirak instead of && do-release-upgrade, it's && apt get dist-upgrade && do-release-upgrade
[23:47] <genewitch> Bashing-om: the other Graphical environment isn't X
[23:47] <genewitch> Bashing-om: i said that already
[23:47] <Bashing-om> mirak: generlly we find that " prompt=lts is set .. need to change that to "any" in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades ( or from the GUI ) .
[23:47] <akik> genewitch: you can follow "ps auxwwf" output and see what is started for you for the gui
[23:48] <genewitch> akik ok lemme plug in a keyboard and find out
[23:48] <akik> genewitch: when you find the process that is started, you can then see where it's started
[23:48] <mirak> Bashing-om, that was my mistake
[23:48] <mirak> I did do-release-upgrade -d xD
[23:49] <Bashing-om> mirak: Ouch .. welcome to 18.04 ??
[23:49] <mirak> Bashing-om, yes pretty much what happened
[23:49] <mirak> but I will go back with a btrfs snapshot
[23:50] <Bashing-om> mirak: did mpt lmpw that 18.04 was turned up yet :)
[23:50] <Bashing-om> did not know*
[23:51] <mirak> is there a way to no use the signed efi grub ?
[23:51] <mirak> I want to use the unsigned one
[23:52] <akik> genewitch: btw you mentioned retropie. i think that's not ubuntu, but something else. am i right?
[23:52] <genewitch> akik: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/07R8PjdDfloRxVRcCqen/
[23:52] <genewitch> it's ubuntu
[23:53] <genewitch> that's a machine that was installed from ubuntu non-desktop
[23:53] <akik> genewitch: it seems to start the emulationstation as your own user account
[23:54] <akik> genewitch: do you start it manually or is it some kind of systemd user service?
[23:54] <genewitch> akik: right, it has a script to enable that on boot, but on ubuntu-desktop, it loads the ubuntu desktop before that script runs, so i never see it
[23:54] <grym> running xenial on armv8 and attempting to install SSL devel headers; i get `libssl-dev : Depends: libssl1.0.0 (= 1.0.2g-1ubuntu4.2) but 1.0.2g-1ubuntu4.1 is to be installed`  -- what's a good solution here?
[23:54] <genewitch> akik: so i want to disable the default ubuntu desktop from coming up on startup
[23:55] <akik> genewitch: you can do it with "sudo systemctl set-default multi-user.target"
[23:55] <genewitch> akik: oh whoops, how do i undo that?
[23:55] <genewitch> haha wrong box
[23:55] <akik> genewitch: that'll not then start the ubuntu gui login
[23:56] <genewitch> akik: and if i want to go back to normal?
[23:56] <akik> genewitch: you can do it with "sudo systemctl set-default graphical.target"
[23:57] <genewitch> okay cool i will try in one second, i appreciate you, akik, Bashing-om
[23:57] <akik> genewitch: do you start emulationstation manually?
[23:57] <genewitch> akik: no it comes up automatically
[23:58] <grym> apt-get libssl-dev failure full session paste: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/yiFIaQKcDq29FC3YtZyY/
[23:58] <akik> genewitch: ok maybe you can see it in "systemctl" output
[23:58] <genewitch> akik: hehe systemctl: command not found
[23:58] <genewitch> :-D
[23:58] <akik> genewitch: oh i thought it was a systemd system
[23:58] <genewitch> there's another way to do that, because i remember an analog to that command
[23:59] <genewitch> akik: the one i am trying to get this working on is 14.04
[23:59] <genewitch> the one i pasted is 16.04
[23:59] <genewitch> 16.04 doesn't have gnome