[12:45] <Guest7041> Hello
[13:37] <ibmr50e-sylwek> hello
[13:37] <ibmr50e-sylwek> Guest7041,
[16:57] <ibmr50e-sylwek> hey kanye
[16:57] <tsimonq2> ?
[16:59] <ibmr50e-sylwek> yo tsimonq2 mtpaint sucks
[16:59] <ibmr50e-sylwek> remove it from lubuntu
[16:59] <tsimonq2> ...?
[17:00] <ibmr50e-sylwek> ?
[17:00] <ibmr50e-sylwek> its not a good app bro
[17:00] <ibmr50e-sylwek> inintuitive
[17:00] <ibmr50e-sylwek> and lacks half of options
[17:00] <ibmr50e-sylwek> and this sylpheed redirects me to japanese website
[17:01] <tsimonq2> That's not my choice
[17:01] <ibmr50e-sylwek> ye but you have something to say right in future releases
[17:01] <tsimonq2> Right, but LXDE version has been in maintenance mode for a while.
[17:02] <tsimonq2> We are looking to change very little.
[17:02] <ibmr50e-sylwek> so like 19.10 it could be dropped entirely?
[17:02] <tsimonq2> It all depends
[17:02] <ibmr50e-sylwek> i tried lubuntu next but it didnt convince me
[17:03] <ibmr50e-sylwek> there are more gtk apps
[17:12] <wxl> ibmr50e-sylwek: what lightweight app should we replace it with?
[17:12] <ibmr50e-sylwek> mtpaint? with pinta
[17:12] <wxl> !info pinta
[17:13] <wxl> !info mtpaint
[17:13] <wxl> it's about double the size
[17:13] <wxl> not sure about memory usage. why don't you do some testing on memory/cpu usage and report back to the lubuntu-devel list?
[17:14] <ibmr50e-sylwek> ye imma do that
[17:14] <wxl> ewww mono depends boooooo
[17:15] <wxl> i would like you to report how much space it takes up
[17:15] <wxl> installed size doesn't consider all dependencies
[17:15] <wxl> given the mono depends, i'm sure it will be massive
[19:14] <tarun> quit
[20:45] <Sauli> I update to 17.10 online but I can't install new programs
[20:46] <Sauli> I need a magic command to solve this
[20:47] <ibmr50e-sylwek> sudo apt upgrade!!
[20:50] <Sauli> but I am not superuser in the version 17.10 ¡¡
[20:51] <wxl> how do you know?
[20:52] <Sauli> I enter in Gnome-software to install new software and says 'you are not superuser'
[20:52] <wxl> and does `sudo apt upgrade` work?
[20:53] <Sauli> yes, works it but I can't install new software
[20:53] <wxl> so `sudo apt install pastebinit` for example does not work?
[20:54] <Sauli> thank you I go to try ...
[20:54] <craigbass76> Is there anything hinkey about booting Lubuntu to text mode? I tried changing the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT setting from "quiet splash" to "text" in /etc/default/grub, but still landed at a Lubuntu login screen after an update-grub and init 6
[20:54] <tegin> try to open gnome-software by using sudo with 'sudo gnome-software' and see if you can install software that way as a workaround
[20:55] <wxl> yeah well it's certainly a timesaver
[20:55] <wxl> oops wrong channel
[20:56] <Sauli> oh really works ¡¡¡ thank you very much my friends ¡¡¡
[20:59] <tegin> craigbass76 try uncommenting the "GRUB_TERMINAL=console" line by removing the # before it.
[20:59] <craigbass76> tegin: I actually just added that line (there wasn't one) and rebooted. Still no love.
[21:00] <craigbass76> tegin: that was me leaving and coming -- forgot that I should be in irc on my laptop instead of the lubuntu box...
[21:00] <craigbass76> I'm on 17.10, if that makes a difference
[21:01] <craigbass76> And I could live with booting into GUI, but it's leaving the world of desktop and becoming just a headless web server
[21:02] <craigbass76> I don't think I've ever done this on a systemd box before, last one used init
[21:03] <tegin> I'm afraid i don't know much then, all i see is that you need to have a combination of GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="text" and uncommenting the GRUB_TERMINAL line.
[21:03] <tegin> Apologies.
[21:04] <craigbass76> tegin: no worries. Probably something numb we're both missing. :)
[21:05] <tegin> ah, let me see...
[21:05] <tegin> okay so below "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT" there should be another line "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX". Attempt to comment out the line that has DEFAULT in it and add the "text" part to the "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX" one, if that makes sense.
[21:06] <craigbass76> tegin: Funny you should mention that... I've just done it. RUbbing my hands together and waiting for a reboot.
[21:07] <tegin> I'm not sure if it makes a difference but the information i'm looking at specifically says to put the "text" part where it says "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="text"" and the part with DEFAULT in it is just commented out.
[21:07] <craigbass76> Bah... I get all excited because I land at a text login, then after a few seconds get a mouse pointer. :(
[21:07] <tegin> Bummer.
[21:07] <tegin> Apologies again.
[21:09] <craigbass76> I'll see if anything occurs to me while I'm cooking supper...
[21:10] <tegin> Please take a look at the information provided here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/16371/how-do-i-disable-x-at-boot-time-so-that-the-system-boots-in-text-mode
[21:10] <tegin> They mention something about making some changes to systemd after messing with the grub file.
[21:12] <tegin> Seems like this is a required step for ubuntu 15.04 and later so this might be the missing step, hopefully!