[00:29] <tgBot> Ion S was added by: Ion S
[00:29] <tgBot> <Ion S> hi!
 Hi there!
 I’ve got a question, is it possible we could see Ubuntu Touch OS on any of the Blackberry 10 devices ? Like the passport?
 @onajjar, did they publish the device tree for those?
 need kernel + drivers and firmware blobs to be able to do a port
 @Hunter616, mx4??
 i am running ubports on mx4, not canonical image, very nice, and flashed with the gui ubports installer
 other than that i still hv an old stock image for that phone
 @Ion S, Hello Ion and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
[06:30] <tgBot> <Big ET> Hei, about the push server, I am using also gmail on my UT the pushing is working for now, do you guys know what we need to ask google for to have push moved to the ubport push server?
 @Big ET, This is a question for @Flohack /Florian, i am PM him this way to not get lost your question
 @Big ET, I dont think Google is pushing these messages, that must be a local daemon polling from gmail and generating a local notifiction
[08:27] <tgBot> okaantara was added by: okaantara
 Hello @okaantara and welcome! I'm part of the UBports welcoming team. … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 Also, you might be overwhelmed by the amount of messages going through our groups at times, but still interested to stay up to date about our project. In this case, lucky you, there's a brand new News Channel! @UBports_News
 I Guys, why do I get decryption error in loquilm?
[09:16] <tgBot> Marc was added by: Marc
 Hello Marc and welcome! I'm part of the UBports welcoming team. … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 Also, you might be overwhelmed by the amount of messages going through our groups at times, but still interested to stay up to date about our project. In this case, lucky you, there's a brand new News Channel! @UBports_News
 Also hi here
 @Rawcode, Do you use WhatsApp in another device with SIM card? If so that is the problem.
 Nope, I've installed whatsapp in my tablet, but this morning I've  installed loquilm in my phone
 The best would be to ask at OpenStore, but I remember there or in Spanish group they said to get loquim working you have to cancel, delete the account on the other devices. Not UT problem, but WhatsApp rules.
 Understand
 Thanks
 here is the link to loqui.im group: https://telegram.me/joinchat/BlpqfQk1L0l0PJTnM02yxQ
 Thanks :)
 @milkor73, Is it enough to uninstall the app?
 Ok
 I will try to ask at spanish group
 @Rawcode, so the answear: in accordance to MD / @malditobastardo you have to disable the SIM conected to the Whatsapp on your tablet and enable it on your N5 with UT, you have to keep the SIM in your N5. Nevertheless it become very often crazy, especially when connected to mobile internet LTE, 3G. Another solutions is the web app Whatsapp, I remember @samzn  was trying to develop more user friendly design for it. and do not forget, if some of your
[12:28] <tgBot> friends want to send you PM he cand find you on Telegram!!! 😉
 @Flohack, Indeed, they are not push. Neither is Twitter. Only telegram is push.
[13:02] <tgBot> <Mario Grasso> (Voice, 499s)https://irc.ubports.com/dK3JvuVS/file_2819
 @Mario Grasso, what's going on
 I think this is a modern pocket dial? ;)
[13:04] <tgBot> <Mario Grasso> @neothethird, Sorry, i pushed the button without any intention
 lol
[13:05] <tgBot> <Mario Grasso> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/IkSK9ICi/file_2820
 @Mario Grasso, haha, ok, at least we got an interesting insight to your life
 @wayneoutthere, We need a new term for this.... "I pocket messaged you"?
 I pocket Telegrammed you?
 I pocketed you
 hahaha
 nice!
 done. it's law.  ship it
 @Flohack, this allows for all future pocket fails
 hehe
 Sorry I clicked on a wrong blue text
 i wrote a small shell script to replace you, stored it on a flash, and pocketed you
[14:06] <tgBot> Yu Owen was added by: Yu Owen
 @Yu Owen, Hi Yu and welcome! I'm part of the UBports welcoming team. … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and subscribe to the news feed by clicking this: https://t.me/ubports_news Thanks again for joining us! :)
[15:37] <tgBot> Miguel Gutiérrez was added by: Miguel Gutiérrez
 Hello Miguel and welcome! I'm part of the UBports welcoming team. … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 Also, you might be overwhelmed by the amount of messages going through our groups at times, but still interested to stay up to date about our project. In this case, lucky you, there's a brand new News Channel! @UBports_News
 is there anyway to dual boot buntu touch?
 @XavierXX, I don't think so, it is at least not designed to do so. It might very well be possible with the right modification, but I bet there is no one in this community who could now say "Yes, I know what you have to do to make this" — no even starting on what unexpected problems might arise from this
 How different is the file structure?
 @XavierXX, I think the issue is rather with the absence of a typical BIOS as on computers, so you need a very different approach to just get some basic functions working in parallel
 i think EFIDroid may be a sollution then?
 Help with using a multiboot is welcome
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/zZ81CWrZ/file_2822.jpg
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/Bilv0B8k/file_2824.jpg
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/veXr0Tgi/file_2826.jpg
 EFIdroid
 what exactly does Ubuntu touch change?
 it also allows seperate recoveries  between roms
 so would it maybe be a good idea for the ubuntu touch devs to get in touch with the developer of EFIdroid?
 what device do you have? you can try MultiROM
 I tried multirom multiple times in the past and i always got the same result unfortunately
 and a oneplus one
 I don't have oneplus one but MultiROM has been working on my Nexus 7 and Nexus 5
 there's a modified apk of MultiROM that uses UBPorts
 for anyone who's intrested this is the slack link to EFIdroid; efidroid.slack.com
 @bhdouglass …  i have installed  … https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/clickable/setup.html and run it with these result: … "cannot stat '/home/dreamland/ut-app-template/build/app.bhdouglass_1.0_armhf.click': No such file or directory … Command 'adb push /home/dreamland/ut-app-template/build/app.bhdouglass_1.0_armhf.click /home/phablet/' returned non-zero exit status 1" … What can i do? Thx.
 @wilder_Hund, Can you send me your clickable.json and manifest.json?
 done
 @samzn What about the process of your WhatsApp implementation? Can we help?
 I used to inject custom js and css code into the webapp since whatsapp is disgustingly proprietary
 But it's obsfucrated and it doesn`t work anymore
 it would be awsome if the ubports installer would regocnize the special efidroid fastboot mode as that would enable easy installation in a seperate partition
 or is there any manual installation method available?
 @samzn Ah, okay! Thanks anyway for your attempts!
 Seriously, screw whatsapp
 It's ridiculous how much dependency people have on it
 A lot of people would use ubuntu & sfos if it had this simple shitty chat app
 why  it's shitty why don't they just use IRC
 whatsapp is proprietary and they ban unofficial clients, and the people using them
 @XavierXX, Peer pressure, plus accessibility
 still IRC you cann verify as secure and you can controll the server yourself
 @samzn, maybe we need to consider voting whatsapp in or out of the UBports community once and for all.  that would make a fun event!  It seems like it's a waste of time.  A better use of time would be Anbox which would make this and other fake robot apps work for those people who like robots.   … But seriously - if all the developers in this group stopped and focused on getting Anbox working... we can end these discussions until Umatriks anh
[21:22] <tgBot> them all. … Am I wrong?
 @XavierXX, IRC?  I have been forbidden to speak on this topic ;)
 @wayneoutthere, I wouldn't waste time on anbox either. It's just going to be a tremendous amount of headache, for very little gain.
 (Sticker, 357x512) https://irc.ubports.com/UM3RY5qf/file_2827
 @dohbee, how so? if it works it makes all android apps work...
 because android and ubuntu security models don't match
 and at that point, why wouldn't i just run lineageos instead of ubuntu?
 @wayneoutthere, Well, not really, we also need a libre implementation of Google Play Services as I doubt those are allowed in an emulator like that. Also in development though but still
 ubuntu won't buy anything if you get rid of the security
 well the idea is a 'stop-gap' solution until something like Umatriks is rocking and rolling
 if someone wants UT and can run anbox in a sandbox (neat) then... seems like it solves some things for many people and gets these conersations about 'apps' out of the way.
 if you think making android apps work on ubuntu is easier than making a matrix client work, something is seriously wrong :)
 @wayneoutthere / dear Wayne, it is just as you and Joe have always stressed in your audiocasts: Whatsapp is not in any line with Ubuntu Touch philosophy. From my point of view It is Whatsapp that has to accept first the right and proper for users secure communication standards, otherwise will never gain the invitation from any current or future secure and safety looking for ecosystem.
 i have a question now why is porting whatsapp even considered?
 it's not open source, so nobody here can "port" it
 @milkor73, The puzzling thin is that WhatsApp security is rated higher than Telegram and compared to Signal e.g. its not so bad ^^ - WhatsApp is more or less secure, except for the Metadata which belongs to FB
 people can write unofficial clients that will get blocked and result in the users getting banned, but that's not at all helpful
 @Flohack, i don't think that's very puzzling. but it's not open source, so really shouldn't matter too much :)
 the only reason anybody ever talks about whatsapp is because it's what everyone uses in certain parts of the world, to communicate
 if everyone used signal instead, we'd already have an awesome app on ubuntu for it
 @Flohack, I know that, but the code is closed, so we do not know what is going on under the hood. Than it is all irrelevant.
 You either surrender to Facebook/WhatsApp or you don't. Peer pressure exerts their monopoly of communications. I can explain my position on it, using only one finger
 @wayneoutthere, Out +1
 @milkor73, well, do you know whats going on under the hood of telegrams servers?
 evil
 that's why i really support matrix :)
 @mariogrip, That is very correct point, but we know you are working, in your personnel time, on uMatriks!!! 🙂
 @dohbee, I rest my case. :P
 the only secure messaging is to not talk to anyone
 @dohbee, 🙈 that's no messaging
 :))
 Technically secure
 null encryption is also the most secure
 No one can read your messages if there aren't any
 replace all data with 0s
[22:23] <prasket> Has anyone gotten ubports installed on a nexus 7?
 @dohbee, Hope this will not lead to silence messages here now 🙃
 @dohbee, I agree to Rodneys point of view, in theoretical computer science these are edge cases you need to define stuff ^
 @prasket, Which one?
[22:23] <prasket> 2013
 which one :)
 There are two
 though either should work i think
 @Stereofont, lol +1
 @Flohack, the only secure encryption is one which cannot be decrypted
[22:25] <prasket> the nexus 7 2013 wifi only model is the one I have and looking to install ubports or anything that isnt android :)
 iirc 2012 version is not very well supported. 2013 wifi is nice.
 @dohbee, I don't believe this exists... or ever will exist.
 @prasket, The installer should work for you.
 @Crash_Burn, save all your data to /dev/null
 @Crash_Burn, It... It's a joke, will.
 @LarreaMikel, 2012 model is not supported at all
 Not really... its a pipe dream.  Its about managing expectations
 Encryption that can't be decrypted is useless. :P
 Every system is hackable.. .as the head of the fbi once said... I computer burried, 200 feet down in concrete... and I still doubt it is secure.
 @UniversalSuperBox, not at all.
 Encryption that can't be decrypted is useful for passwords
 You encrypt because you want the message you're encrypting, but you want to make sure that only the people who you want can read it
 @UniversalSuperBox, its not exactly... I can define a use case.
 @UniversalSuperBox, no. one-way encryption is how you secure data such that it can only be known if it is already known (ie, your password)
 I get the joke... and am dragging this conversation out ;P
 destroy physical copies (well, except for your neurons of course, but destroying those is kind of painful)
 But you can kinda decrypt it with brute force
 well, guessing the password with brute force isn't decrypting
[22:30] <tgBot> Antonio Izquierdo Álvarez was added by: Antonio Izquierdo Álvarez
 But at the end you get the password
 And thats the point
 @Antonio Izquierdo Álvarez, \o/
[22:30] <tgBot> <Antonio Izquierdo Álvarez> XD
 New member party dance!
 @Jonasz, But you don't get the method for the next password …
 🕺
 right, guessing one password doesn't grant you all passwords
 which is what decryption would do
[22:31] <tgBot> <Antonio Izquierdo Álvarez> 🕺
 @Antonio Izquierdo Álvarez, Hello Antiono of the very cool name and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
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 Aha, I see. Brain fart on my side.
 I forgot what a hash is. -_-
 I heard that quantum computers will make brute forces extremely easy. I don't know why tho
 @Jonasz, 👍
 I don't know if there's anyone here who could explain it
 42?
 yes
 Would it be possible to port UT on quantum smart phone @mariogrip ?
 @UniversalSuperBox, There was something about them having more nodes than there are muons in 30 universes. If so, that would definitely explain it
 because quantum computers don't operate on binary
[22:39] <tgBot> Smartman_ru was added by: Smartman_ru
 @milkor73, Not until at least April…
 @Smartman_ru, Hello Smartman and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @Stereofont, Not good but OK
 Is it more difficult than porting to mediatek?
 @Jonasz, all the bits are always both on and off
 @Jonasz, 😱
 @Smartman_ru, Welcome smartman... since you have joined us I will credit you with being smart
 @dohbee, But you don't know which
 if you want to wrack your brain for a while: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qubit
 @wayneoutthere, Ty :)
 I read it but I just don't get it why is it so much faster than normal computers
 @Jonasz, Not universally faster, as I understand it. Faster at some things though
 @Jonasz, For the same reason 64-bit is faster than 32-bit is faster than 16-bit etc…
 Except now you throw in Schrödinger's cat
 except a 64-bit number can only be one value, while a 64-qubit number is 2^64 values
 @Jonasz, Its not linear... it finds all the solutions in parallel.  Looking for solution that fit best.  (I think)... Its like a dream state of waves... it will be awsome when we are all using water as our computational array.
 it will be awesome when you don't need to have a quantum computer at near absolute 0 to be remotely useful :)
[23:04] <prasket> OK installer did see the Nexus 7 and tried to install. Ended up in an Ubuntu screen saying “This phone needs restoring from a PC or service center”  :( going to try reinstalling stock OS and try again
 @prasket, OEM unlocked and USB debugging?
[23:09] <prasket> Yes
[23:09] <tgBot> Ricardo was added by: Ricardo
 @Ricardo, Hello Ricardo and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 help, I have restarted the phone and I have everything in English that can be due?
 @Ricardo, Which phone and which OS?
 Open system settings and go to language and text. Choose display language
 This Spanish post (Spain)
 Choose Spanish in the language list
 I'm on the r12
 https://t.me/UBPorts_ES
 There is an icon for Settings
 Open that to find languages
 nobody answers me, that's why I put it in this
 There is a pull down list
 No problem
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/FwIDo1lx/file_2829.png
 the system settings page has been put to me in Spanish and after a while it has been only in English
 Look on the screenshot. At the top is a globe symbol. That is a menu
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/y0NabKol/file_2831.jpg
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/Y8F01Lvj/file_2833.jpg
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/R3lrWFpY/file_2835.jpg
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/SjrHHULa/file_2837.jpg
 @Stereofont, I've been looking for the keyboard vibration toggle switch!  Yay :)
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/lyMj2rMg/file_2838
 System settings third line down. Language and Text
 (Photo, 540x960) https://irc.ubports.com/VHdmicJG/file_2840.jpg
 Ahah
 it's all in English, up to the applications
 You are on rc channel?
 yes
 r12
 Try go to development channel then return to rc?
 I flashed it from the terminal and it keeps coming out in English
 ok
 Do it in system updates
 Interesting to see if it persists in development channel
 I'm on it
 En and Es are close. So I wonder …
 This is a new one for me... curious.
 Typo in compiling?
 I'm always in english, so not surprising ;P
 Also try Italian and see if that works
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/0ZuEhg9L/file_2841.png
 Wrong screenshot. Anyway, my tablet is now Italian
 Needed a restart, which is triggered by a popup
 @Stereofont, Lionelb offre il miglior supporto!
 😂😎
 Vi vedo troppo intraprendenti qua! :P
 salve brav'uomo 😆
 andiamo extra chilometro 😎
 tre italiani 😆
[23:55] <tgBot> <Antonio Izquierdo Álvarez> Hello, anyone knows how to install 16.04 for the OP3? … I'm new in this little Ubuntu's world, I have seen the page in the UBports but the links doesn't work 🙃, please help me to be part of UBports
 @Antonio Izquierdo Álvarez, Don't!
 16.04 based Ubuntu Touch is experimental. Lots of stuff will fail and crash
 @Stereofont, Sounds like something broke translation rather. Check app log.
 Unless you are a developer …
 I've gone to the developen channel and it's still in English. Then I've put the rc channel and it's still in English. I'll format it again.
[23:59] <tgBot> <Antonio Izquierdo Álvarez> @Stereofont, Yeah, I'm used to it
 Not a bug in the revision then. Something you have done in terminal