[13:10] <tcarrondo> gsilvapt: ei
[13:18] <gsilvapt> ei tcarrondo
[16:30] <tyhicks> hello
[16:30] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Dec 11 16:30:38 2017 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:30] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:31] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:31] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:31] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:31] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:31] <jdstrand> hi
[16:32] <jdstrand> Last week I was able to get through all the snapd 2.30 work (yay). This week I plan to focus on:
[16:32] <jdstrand> - being responsive to snapd PR reviews (eg, wayland slot, layouts, xdg-settings/userd, etc)
[16:32] <jdstrand> - rewriting the snappy-app-dev udev script
[16:32] <jdstrand> - finishing the planned review-tools updates for December
[16:32] <jdstrand> - pickup brand store snap declarations as have times
[16:32] <jdstrand> - pickup tun/tap and kmod spread test issues
[16:32] <jdstrand> that's it from me. mdeslaur, you're up
[16:32] <mdeslaur> I'm on triage this week
[16:32] <mdeslaur> and I have an openssl update coming out
[16:32] <mdeslaur> I have a couple more things to test and release
[16:32] <mdeslaur> that's about it, sbeattie, you're up
[16:33] <sbeattie> I'm in the happy place this week, and I've got a short week (friday off)
[16:33] <sbeattie> I'm focusing on snap cve triage
[16:33] <sbeattie> I have some apparmor tasks to do, plus prep for the apparmor upstream meeting
[16:34] <sbeattie> and the usual kernel triage bits
[16:34] <sbeattie> that's it for me. tyhicks?
[16:35] <tyhicks> I'm in the happy place
[16:35] <tyhicks> I'm working on some embargoed issues
[16:35] <tyhicks> I'll be doing a squashfs-tools SRU for preserving symlink mtimes
[16:36] <tyhicks> continue to fix any resquash issues that are found
[16:36] <tyhicks> that's it for me right now
[16:36] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:38] <tyhicks> ah, he's not in right now
[16:38] <tyhicks> sarnold: you're up
[16:39] <sarnold> i'm on community this week
[16:39] <sarnold> working on the libteam mir
[16:39] <sarnold> the buildlog and cppcheck output look different enough from last time around that I'm hopeful it'll go quickly :)
[16:40] <sarnold> and uh figuring out if this is going to be a short week or not. maybe it's time to stop procrastinating that :)
[16:40] <sarnold> that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[16:40] <chrisccoulson> short week for me this week - I finish for christmas today
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> I plan to have chromium published before I finish
[16:41] <mdeslaur> sarnold: if you wait until the new year, your accumulated vacation days will go away and the problem will solve itself
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> That's me done :)
[16:41] <sarnold> chrisccoulson: _today_? :) nice
[16:41] <ratliff> enjoy your time off, chrisccoulson!
[16:41] <ratliff> I'm in the happy place this week.
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[16:41] <sarnold> mdeslaur: wow :) that's next-level procrastination :D
[16:42] <mdeslaur> hehehe
[16:42] <ratliff> I hope to finish my internal project and then work on importing data into InfluxDB for kpis.
[16:42] <ratliff> I'm going to be adding the holiday rotation to the team calendar today, so if there are any changes to the proposal, please let me know.
[16:43] <ratliff> on to you, leosilva
[16:43] <leosilva> I'm bug triage this week.
[16:43] <leosilva> I have some research to do about libxml2 issue (it's trick and I'm thinking in publish the CVE I have before find and fix it)
[16:44] <leosilva> Also will do some CVE triage/research to push some pkgs on my stack.
[16:44] <leosilva> that's it for me.
[16:44] <leosilva> tyhicks: it's back to you!
[16:44]  * tyhicks catches up
[16:45] <tyhicks> thanks!
[16:45] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:45] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:45] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:45] <tyhicks> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/tre.html
[16:45] <tyhicks> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/w3af.html
[16:45] <tyhicks> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/k4dirstat.html
[16:45] <tyhicks> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ccid.html
[16:45] <tyhicks> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/elixir.html
[16:45] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:45] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:48] <tyhicks> jdstrand, mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson, ratliff, leosilva: Thanks!
[16:48] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Dec 11 16:48:41 2017 UTC.
[16:48] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-12-11-16.30.moin.txt
[16:48] <jdstrand> tyhicks: thanks!
[16:48] <ratliff> thanks, tyhicks!
[16:48] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks!
[16:49] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!
[16:51] <leosilva> Thanks tyhicks!
[17:01] <gsilvapt> hey all
[17:01] <kyrofa> Hey there gsilvapt
[17:01] <Letozaf_> o/
[17:01] <gsilvapt> Is everybody from the council around?
[17:02] <nhaines> o/
[17:02] <kyrofa> Ken isn't here yet, it seems
[17:02] <gsilvapt> Neither is carla? I don't know her nickname
[17:02] <Letozaf_> I'm carla :-P
[17:02] <gsilvapt> Ah, great :P
[17:03] <kyrofa> Haha
[17:03] <kyrofa> Has everyone read through the reverification applications?
[17:03] <gsilvapt> Not all but some. kyrofa before that, we should start the meeting officially
[17:04] <kyrofa> gsilvapt, I'm just saying, while waiting for Ken, might be good to do
[17:04] <nhaines> I am reviewing the Swiss application.
[17:04] <gsilvapt> kyrofa, makes sense
[17:05]  * Letozaf_ is reading the reverification applications
[17:05] <tcarrondo> I'm here, but commuting
[17:06] <Letozaf_> o/
[17:06] <tcarrondo> ping me if you need something from me
[17:07] <kyrofa> nhaines, the draft one? :)
[17:07] <nhaines> kyrofa: as it turns out, yes.  :)
[17:08] <gsilvapt> Can we start at 17:10 max if Karl does not show up?
[17:08] <gsilvapt> Ken. not Karl
[17:08] <nhaines> You forgot Sujeevan! >:o
[17:09] <gsilvapt> ah daiumn. I thought we were already 4 here :)
[17:09] <gsilvapt> And I also thought the council had 5 members instead of the actual 6
[17:12] <nhaines> Okay, I think we should get started.
[17:12] <gsilvapt> I'd appreciate that but if you want to wait until the 15'
[17:13] <nhaines> We could.  Ken might be in by then.
[17:14] <kenvandine> sorry... i must have had the timezone wrong on my calendar
[17:14] <wxl> might be a DST issue
[17:14] <kyrofa> Hey kenvandine, welcome! No problem :)
[17:14] <nhaines> That's okay, I still thought it was Tuesday yesterday.  :)
[17:15] <kyrofa> nhaines, yikes, you had a bad weekend
[17:15] <wxl> or a good one? XD
[17:15] <nhaines> kyrofa: not *that* bad.  I forgot the meeting day was changed.  :)
[17:15] <kenvandine> wait... the meeting is 2000 UTC right?
[17:15] <gsilvapt> Shall we start then?
[17:15] <kyrofa> Hahahaha, totally read that wrong
[17:16] <kenvandine> The next meeting is scheduled for Monday, 11th December 2017 20:00 UTC and will be held in #ubuntu-meeting on irc.freenode.net.
[17:16] <kenvandine> on the wiki
[17:17] <nhaines> I'd be happy for another nap.  :D
[17:18] <kenvandine> it's not 2000 UTC yet :)
[17:18] <wxl> oh my XD
[17:18] <kenvandine> and that's the time we've advertised on the agenda :)
[17:19] <gsilvapt> wait, wut
[17:19] <opedro> mekie, mitras?
[17:19] <kyrofa> Wait... how on earth did I have an alarm set for this time, then?
[17:19] <opedro> all güd?
[17:19] <opedro> :D
[17:19] <wxl> ah ha! it's gsilvapt who's had a bad ("good") weekend apparently XD
[17:19] <kyrofa> It's not even close
[17:19] <kenvandine> :)
[17:19] <opedro> salutations from the iberian peninsula, humanoids
[17:19] <gsilvapt> Oh lord
[17:19] <gsilvapt> https://screenshots.firefox.com/AiMWiTnsB6F9mPqO/www.timeanddate.com
[17:19] <nhaines> Because the worldtime link is wrong.  :)
[17:19] <gsilvapt> Why does this says the event is already gone?
[17:20] <gsilvapt> Ĩt's not my fault then :(
[17:20] <kyrofa> Ugh, that explains things
[17:20] <nhaines> gsilvapt: because the wiki says 20:00 but the link asks for 17:00.  :)
[17:20] <tcarrondo> so? 20UTC?
[17:20] <kenvandine> oh... i never looked at the link
[17:20] <kenvandine> just added it to my calendar as 20:00
[17:20] <kenvandine> we have nearly 3 hours until the meeting starts
[17:21] <nhaines> I think we had probably better wait in case people were planning on attending.
[17:21] <opedro> @nhaines i know i was
[17:21] <kenvandine> we need to wait until 2000, yes
[17:21] <nhaines> opedro: glad you're here at least.  :)
[17:22] <kyrofa> Indeed
[17:22] <opedro> ahah. and im at work
[17:22] <wxl> i mean, hey, /kd
[17:22] <opedro> i better beat it then, uh?
[17:22] <wxl> to be clear i'm not joking or ribbing, but being serious
[17:22] <tiagopolicarpopt> HI guys an ladeis.
[17:22] <Letozaf_> o/
[17:22] <opedro> @tiagopolicarpopt olá, mister
[17:23] <nhaines> Okay, I've updated the agenda.
[17:23] <tiagopolicarpopt> i am where to help my loco team to valtion team loco
[17:23] <kenvandine> nhaines, thx
[17:23] <wxl> hey i figured it out! if you roundup(17) in python, you get 20!
[17:23] <kenvandine> lol
[17:24] <wxl> also that penultimate line from me is a wrong chnanel message, my classic move
[17:24] <opedro> so what time is it, anyways?
[17:24] <nhaines> It is in 2.5 hours from now.  :)
[17:24] <wxl> Mon Dec 11 17:24:48 UTC 2017
[17:24] <tiagopolicarpopt> the team loco Portugal, is very organize and activite.
[17:24] <wxl> irssi: /exec -out date -u
[17:25] <opedro> @nhaines meh! :\
[17:25] <opedro> dinner time, sis
[17:25] <wxl> i have a whole slew of helpful time aliases i should probably publish
[17:25] <gsilvapt> OH god
[17:25] <opedro> gotta eat my daily dose of kangaroo meat
[17:25] <gsilvapt> I feel so bbad :(
[17:25] <wxl> well actually
[17:25] <tiagopolicarpopt> please check the wiki loco team portugal
[17:25] <wxl> how many re-verifications are there?
[17:25] <opedro> @gsilvapt fuxx it. it happens,. no beat yourself down
[17:25] <opedro> no worries, mate
[17:26] <nhaines> wxl: 6 standing for this agenda.
[17:26] <wxl> if we got people here maybe we could do them now. thoughts?
[17:27] <nhaines> The applications are all pretty comprehensive.  We can do them in abstencia.
[17:27] <opedro> or we can all relax and have a smoke and sip some cognac
[17:28] <nhaines> I like his style.  :)
[17:28] <opedro> say @nhaines, you from the tuga?
[17:28] <opedro> xD
[17:29] <nhaines> opedro: likely not, as I have no idea what that means.  :D
[17:29] <opedro> say okay, then
[17:30] <nhaines> Okay!
[17:30] <opedro> so shall we begin, gents and misses
[17:30] <nhaines> We really do need to wait--we have LCC members who aren't here, probably because they had the correct time.  :)
[17:30] <tiagopolicarpopt> i have stop in gas station too connect to where
[17:30] <nhaines> On the bright side, we probably won't have this problem in the future!
[17:30] <kenvandine> :)
[17:32] <nhaines> I think I'm going to go test whether or not I was kidding about that nap.... >_>
[17:32] <tiagopolicarpopt> i using mobile data, if a lose my connection maybe my packet is off on mobile data
[17:32] <nhaines> tiagopolicarpopt: have a safe commute and join us in 2.5 hours.  :)
[17:33] <opedro> nap she says. go get it. »_»
[17:33] <opedro> check all laterz
[17:34] <tiagopolicarpopt> Ok, nhaines
[17:35] <lapisdecor> I think I didn't understood well, is the meeting taking place now or in 2.5 hours?
[17:36] <nhaines> lapisdecor: in 2.5 hours.
[17:38] <lapisdecor> I have my syster birtday dinner in 2.5 hours, less or more, I'll read the logs later.
[17:38] <nhaines> lapisdecor: please have a happy party for her birthday.  :)
[17:38] <lapisdecor> nhaines, thank you!
[17:45] <opedro> i was here, mr. printscreen man.
[17:45] <tiagopolicarpopt> see you to later, tks
[17:48] <gsilvapt> Well, I'm guessing we are meeting in 2 hours then, right?
[17:49] <nhaines> Yes.
[17:49] <gsilvapt> Sorry for the confusion guys. I really thought we were starting 45 minutes ago. Oh well, time to go home
[17:53] <Letozaf_> see you later guys... :)
[17:59] <DiogoC> Hi all
[18:51] <Letozaf_> 0/
[19:04] <MajB> Hello Ubuntu-ites.  Swords stacked as per instructions.
[19:18] <Guest23768> hi
[19:26] <Naudy_> Hello / Hola
[19:31] <elmudo> Hi
[19:32] <x3mboy> Hi
[19:48] <x3mboy> t - 12 minutes?
[19:52] <elmudometal> 8 minutes
[19:57] <kyrofa> Hey everyone!
[19:57] <gsilvapt> nhaines, kyrofa, Letozaf_ kenvandine, we up this time?
[19:57] <Letozaf_> o/
[19:57] <gsilvapt> Ugh, the timing :P
[19:57] <kenvandine> \o
[20:01] <kyrofa> nhaines is probably still napping
[20:01]  * kenvandine grabs the bull horn
[20:01] <kyrofa> svij mentioned that he'd be a bit late
[20:02] <wxl> i thought i'd hang about since this is your first meeting together, but since nhaines is about, you probably don't need anything else (he's an old timer). that said, back to ignoring this channel unless pinged :)
[20:02] <gsilvapt> I'll try and ask in telegram
[20:03] <kyrofa> Thanks wxl :)
[20:03] <gsilvapt> thank you, wxl
[20:03] <kenvandine> who wants to drive the bot for the meeting?
[20:03] <wxl> happy to help folks. thanks for taking on this big mass of re-verifications as your first task! i think this is something we should celebrate on the hub :)
[20:03] <kenvandine> indeed
[20:04] <gsilvapt> I can do that although I need to search for the commands. I don't remember
[20:04] <wxl> hm
[20:04] <wxl> look at the topic
[20:05] <kenvandine> gsilvapt, i think i know them
[20:05] <wxl> ok not paying attention anymore ;)
[20:05] <kenvandine>  startmeeting, topic, endmeeting :)
[20:05] <gsilvapt> yes
[20:05] <kenvandine> gsilvapt, i'll do it this time :)
[20:05] <gsilvapt> and vote etc
[20:05] <gsilvapt> Ok, sure, take the lead!
[20:05] <gsilvapt> svij said he needs 2 minutes. Lets wait for him :-)
[20:07] <svij> howdy
[20:07]  * kenvandine waves to svij 
[20:07] <kenvandine> #startmeeting LoCoCouncil 2017-12-11
[20:07] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Dec 11 20:07:51 2017 UTC.  The chair is kenvandine. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[20:07] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[20:08] <kenvandine> council members please wave to record attendance
[20:08]  * kenvandine waves
[20:08]  * svij waves
[20:08]  * gsilvapt waves
[20:08]  * Letozaf_ waves
[20:08]  * kyrofa waves
[20:09] <kenvandine> just missing nhaines
[20:09] <gsilvapt> FYI, I'm creating the minute page for this meeting. I'll take a previous sample and modify as we need and require.
[20:09] <kenvandine> gsilvapt, thx
[20:10] <kenvandine> anyone know what we need for a quorum?
[20:10] <kenvandine> i'd imagine we have enough
[20:10] <svij> I guess so
[20:10] <svij> more than 50% :)
[20:11]  * nhaines waves
[20:11] <kenvandine> yay!
[20:11] <kenvandine> 100% attendance!
[20:11] <kenvandine> ok... shall we move on to the re-verifications?
[20:11] <gsilvapt> Yes
[20:11] <kenvandine> #topic AZLOCOTeam
[20:11] <kenvandine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArizonaTeam/Re-validationApplication2017
[20:12] <kenvandine> anyone here to represent AZLOCOTeam?
[20:12] <pavlos> I'm here
[20:12] <MajB> I am here from the AZLOCO Team
[20:13] <kenvandine> the re-verification wiki page looks very thorough and kudos for being so active!
[20:13] <MajB> Thank you
[20:13] <nhaines> It looks like you've continued your great work this year.
[20:14] <kenvandine> does anyone have questions for AZLOCO?
[20:15] <svij> no questions from me, looks good :)
[20:15] <kyrofa> Indeed, no question here either
[20:15] <nhaines> I think things are pretty straightforward.  No questions from me.
[20:15] <Letozaf_> ok for me too
[20:16] <kenvandine> i guess we should vote
[20:16] <gsilvapt> Yeap. I like their page and although the roadmap is ambitious, they have some members in their group so they are up for it
[20:16] <kenvandine> #vote AZLOCOTeam re-verification
[20:16] <meetingology> Please vote on: AZLOCOTeam re-verification
[20:16] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:16] <svij> +1
[20:16] <meetingology> +1 received from svij
[20:16] <gsilvapt> +1
[20:16] <meetingology> +1 received from gsilvapt
[20:16] <kenvandine> +1
[20:16] <meetingology> +1 received from kenvandine
[20:16] <kyrofa> +1
[20:16] <meetingology> +1 received from kyrofa
[20:16] <Letozaf_> +1
[20:16] <meetingology> +1 received from Letozaf_
[20:16] <nhaines> +1 Good job, AZ team  :)
[20:16] <meetingology> +1 Good job, AZ team  :) received from nhaines
[20:17] <kenvandine> #endvote
[20:17] <meetingology> Voting ended on: AZLOCOTeam re-verification
[20:17] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:17] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:17] <svij> congrats :)
[20:17] <pavlos> thank you all
[20:17] <kenvandine> thanks for the great work!
[20:17] <MajB> Thank you LoCo Council
[20:18] <kyrofa> pavlos, MajB thank you for all your good work, and for attending today
[20:18] <nhaines> Thank you for your service to the Ubuntu community.  :)
[20:18] <kenvandine> #topic MyanmarTeam
[20:18] <kenvandine> anyone here to represent MyanmarTeam?
[20:19] <kenvandine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MyanmarTeam/VerificationApplication2017
[20:20] <kyrofa> I'm afraid this loco looks relatively inactive to me
[20:21] <nhaines> It does seem like outward events have dropped off sharply since the last two years.
[20:21] <kyrofa> Most recent event listed in the verification app is 2016, and most recent post on the website seems to be for 16.10
[20:21] <kenvandine> yeah, that concerned me as well
[20:21] <gsilvapt> I was reading their page a few hours ago and it feels they are inactive since 2016. At least according to the provided information. I'd suggest they work up their page and/or show some activity and apply again in some time
[20:21] <kyrofa> Flickr shows a 17.10 release party, though
[20:21] <kyrofa> I agre with gsilvapt
[20:21] <kyrofa> Looks like they have a community, but it needs more leadership
[20:22] <gsilvapt> s/provided information/information provided
[20:22] <nhaines> I'm sure there is leadership, but I'd like to see more information about their recent activities and their roadmap for thefuture.  I suspect that the application is simply incomplete.
[20:22] <kenvandine> so do we vote?  or ask them to get added to the agenda when someone can be here?
[20:23] <nhaines> I'd like to extend their verification provisionally and request more information from them for the next meeting.
[20:23] <gsilvapt> +1 with nhaines
[20:23] <kenvandine> +1
[20:23] <kyrofa> +1 from me as well
[20:23] <kenvandine> should we do a vote to extend 2 months?
[20:23] <Letozaf_> +1
[20:23] <gsilvapt> lets vote on that, kenvandine
[20:23] <nhaines> +1
[20:23] <kyrofa> Don't we meet once a month?
[20:24] <kenvandine> yeah, but thought with the holidy
[20:24] <gsilvapt> Yes, but I think the idea is to give a few months so they have time to prepare their stuff
[20:24] <kenvandine> might be good to give them a little more time
[20:24] <nhaines> Yeah, but it's all kinds of crazy holidays right now.
[20:24] <gsilvapt> and there's that too
[20:24] <kenvandine> we are behind
[20:24] <kyrofa> Fair enough
[20:24] <kenvandine> #vote MyanmarTeam Two month extension
[20:24] <meetingology> Please vote on: MyanmarTeam Two month extension
[20:24] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:24] <kyrofa> +1
[20:24] <meetingology> +1 received from kyrofa
[20:24] <kenvandine> +1
[20:24] <meetingology> +1 received from kenvandine
[20:24] <Letozaf_> +1
[20:24] <meetingology> +1 received from Letozaf_
[20:24] <gsilvapt> +1
[20:24] <meetingology> +1 received from gsilvapt
[20:24] <svij> +1
[20:24] <meetingology> +1 received from svij
[20:25] <nhaines> +1 Please improve the application and get back to us.  :)
[20:25] <meetingology> +1 Please improve the application and get back to us.  :) received from nhaines
[20:25] <kenvandine> #endvote
[20:25] <meetingology> Voting ended on: MyanmarTeam Two month extension
[20:25] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:25] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:25] <kenvandine> #topic VenezuelaTeam
[20:25] <kenvandine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VenezuelaTeam/Re-validationApplication2017
[20:26] <kenvandine> anyone here to represent VenezuelaTeam?
[20:26] <elmudometal> i am VenezuelaTeam
[20:26] <Naudy> I'm here
[20:27] <x3mboy> I'm here too
[20:27] <kenvandine> hello!
[20:28] <gsilvapt> hi guys :-) I had a look to your application and I honestly think it is a similar case to Arizona. Well structure, nothing to point out. Very ambitious Roadmap, seems ok with your member's numbers
[20:28] <gsilvapt> s/structure/structured
[20:28] <svij> I agree :)
[20:28] <nhaines> It looks like you have a lot of momentum built up.
[20:29] <kyrofa> Yeah, easy review indeed
[20:29] <tiagopolicarpopt> Hi again
[20:29] <kenvandine> indeed
[20:29] <nhaines> I noticed that there were less events for 2017 than 2016.  But it's still extremely impressive.  Is there anything that lead to this that you're concerned about?
[20:29] <gsilvapt> The only question I have is: Why didn't you guys renew your membership?
[20:30] <kyrofa> nhaines, there were like 100 in 2016. They probably got burnt out :D
[20:30] <svij> hehe
[20:31] <gsilvapt> he he
[20:31] <kenvandine> lets hope not :)
[20:31] <kenvandine> or... hope they feel refreshed
[20:32] <tcarrondo> hi! still on time?
[20:32] <Naudy> Problems with internet in Venezuela which have been many failures
[20:32] <nhaines> kyrofa: They have nothing to be ashamed about for a strong 2017.  I just want to get a feeling for how things are going.
[20:32] <nhaines> Naudy: that would be a good reason!
[20:32] <kenvandine> agreed
[20:33] <Letozaf_> sorry had a prolbem
[20:33] <kenvandine> shall we vote?
[20:33] <svij> yup
[20:33] <kenvandine> #vote VenezuelaTeam
[20:33] <meetingology> Please vote on: VenezuelaTeam
[20:33] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:33] <kenvandine> #voters kenvandine svij gsilvapt kyrofa Letozaf_ nhaines
[20:33] <meetingology> Current voters: Letozaf_ gsilvapt kenvandine kyrofa nhaines svij
[20:33] <kyrofa> +1
[20:33] <meetingology> +1 received from kyrofa
[20:33] <nhaines> +1
[20:33] <meetingology> +1 received from nhaines
[20:33] <gsilvapt> +1
[20:33] <meetingology> +1 received from gsilvapt
[20:33] <svij> +1
[20:33] <kenvandine> +1
[20:33] <meetingology> +1 received from svij
[20:33] <Letozaf_> +1
[20:33] <meetingology> +1 received from kenvandine
[20:33] <meetingology> +1 received from Letozaf_
[20:33] <tiagopolicarpopt> I'm part of the loco team
[20:33] <kenvandine> #endvote
[20:33] <meetingology> Voting ended on: VenezuelaTeam
[20:33] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:33] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:33] <svij> tiagopolicarpopt: venezuela not portugal ;)
[20:33] <kenvandine> congrats!
[20:34] <kenvandine> we're looking forward to what 2018 has in store!
[20:34] <nhaines> Good job, Venezuela Team.  Keep up the excellent work!
[20:34] <x3mboy> :D
[20:34] <elmudometal> Thz :D
[20:34] <kenvandine> #topic Ubuntu Tunisia
[20:35] <kenvandine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam/ReVerificationApplication2017
[20:35] <kenvandine> Anyone here to represent Ubuntu Tunisia
[20:35] <tcarrondo> congrats Venezuela!
[20:35] <x3mboy> Thanks
[20:35] <Naudy> thanks to all
[20:35] <gsilvapt> Keep it up, Venezuela! :)
[20:35] <tiagopolicarpopt> Sorry i am on mobile web, i lost some messenger, svij
[20:36] <svij> tiagopolicarpopt: no worries ;)
[20:36] <tiagopolicarpopt> congrats Venezuela!
[20:36] <gsilvapt> So, nobody from Tunisian LoCo?
[20:37] <kenvandine> their team reports page ends at 2015
[20:37] <kyrofa> This loco does not seem tremendously active, although their application indicates a fairly constant number of events per year, none of their other pages have been updated for years, and I see no website
[20:37] <gsilvapt> My opinion is they are opting for an educating strategy to gain more members which seems plausible and I understand this problem some LoCos often experience. That said, they present an interesting roadmap and with focus on educating new people to Ubuntu and open source software.
[20:38] <svij> I agree to gsilvapt
[20:38] <nhaines> I also agree with gsilvapt.
[20:38] <kenvandine> there has been recent activity on their mailing list
[20:38] <svij> their mailing lists looks aktive too
[20:38] <svij> kenvandine was faster than me :)
[20:39] <gsilvapt> Well, we do not have a representative here but they could use other means of communication
[20:39] <kyrofa> The loco verification page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/TeamVerificationGuidelines) lists a website as an example of an established resource. Does the lack of one here seem concerning?
[20:39] <gsilvapt> Still, they use the mailing list for topics related to the LoCo so I don't know whether the ML is their main form of communication or not
[20:40] <svij> we don't know much about the irc channel though
[20:40] <svij> but I see some of the ubuntu-tn people around in other channels
[20:40] <gsilvapt> The entire sentence says more than that, kyrofa: This requires some evidence that the team has established various resources (website, mailing list, listing of activities on the LoCo Directory etc)
[20:41] <kenvandine> the wiki pages are quite out dated
[20:41] <nhaines> Their Facebook pages seem at least semi-active (I don't use Facebook so I can't tell for sure).
[20:41] <Letozaf_> They have done some presentations in 2017: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam/Presentations
[20:41] <kyrofa> gsilvapt, yes, I said "an example" :)
[20:42] <gsilvapt> kyrofa, sorry. Wanted to clarify that part a bit as it did not concern me too much. However, it concerns me the fact they do not have their LoCo directory updated or with much activity
[20:42] <kyrofa> From my perspective, I see an application that is up-to-date but nothing else
[20:42] <nhaines> kyrofa: but they have two webpages listed in the application.  :)
[20:42] <kenvandine> yeah
[20:42] <kenvandine> although the mailing list is active
[20:42] <kenvandine> that's something
[20:42] <nhaines> And they have clear plans for the future as well.
[20:43] <svij> yeah, I guess we should advise them to update their pages
[20:43] <gsilvapt> I'd vote positively as they are betting on educating new people. On the other hand, we could advise some general updates to their pages and keep an eye on their activity logs
[20:43] <nhaines> Documenting their work will help their team and others as well.
[20:43] <gsilvapt> True
[20:43] <gsilvapt> Shall we vote?
[20:44] <kenvandine> i wonder if they have meetings?
[20:44] <gsilvapt> kenvandine, according to their LoCo directory, not since 2013 but I hardly doubt this is an updated information
[20:44] <kenvandine> latest pictures is also 2013
[20:44] <kenvandine> but they did renew in 2015
[20:45] <kenvandine> shall we suggest they update the directory and some pages?
[20:45] <gsilvapt> Ok, to be consistent that makes sense
[20:45] <kenvandine> or... just vote to re-verify or not?
[20:45] <nhaines> Yes, I think that's important.  And they seem to know it, according to their mailing list.
[20:46] <kyrofa> Yeah, I think they need to update stuff
[20:46] <svij> they also use facebook, didn't check how active that is
[20:46] <kenvandine> not terribly
[20:46] <kenvandine> some current stuff
[20:46] <kenvandine> #vote Ubuntu Tunisia Two month extension
[20:46] <meetingology> Please vote on: Ubuntu Tunisia Two month extension
[20:46] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:46] <kenvandine> #voters kenvandine svij gsilvapt kyrofa Letozaf_ nhaines
[20:46] <meetingology> Current voters: Letozaf_ gsilvapt kenvandine kyrofa nhaines svij
[20:46] <gsilvapt> +1
[20:46] <meetingology> +1 received from gsilvapt
[20:46] <Letozaf_> +1
[20:46] <meetingology> +1 received from Letozaf_
[20:46] <kenvandine> +1
[20:46] <meetingology> +1 received from kenvandine
[20:46] <kyrofa> +1
[20:46] <meetingology> +1 received from kyrofa
[20:47] <svij> +1
[20:47] <meetingology> +1 received from svij
[20:47] <nhaines> +1
[20:47] <meetingology> +1 received from nhaines
[20:47] <kenvandine> #endvote
[20:47] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Ubuntu Tunisia Two month extension
[20:47] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:47] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:48] <gsilvapt> The next LoCo is my own LoCo. Should I abstain from voting?
[20:48] <kenvandine> #topic Ubuntu Portugal
[20:48] <kenvandine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PortugalTeam/Re-validationApplication2017
[20:48] <kenvandine> Anyone here to represent Ubuntu Portugal
[20:48] <tcarrondo> here! From Ericeira, Portugal :)
[20:48] <kenvandine> gsilvapt, not sure :)
[20:49] <tcarrondo> hi, all
[20:49] <svij> hey tcarrondo
[20:49] <DiogoC> me to, but tcarrondo is the representative
[20:49] <nhaines> Thanks for being here.  :)
[20:49] <DiogoC> too
[20:49] <svij> familiar faces to the nicknames for me :)
[20:49] <tcarrondo> hi, svij
[20:50] <tiagopolicarpopt> Me too from portugal
[20:50] <tcarrondo> and nhaines
[20:50] <DiogoC> all
[20:50] <DiogoC> :)
[20:50] <kenvandine> great representation!
[20:50] <kenvandine> says allot :)
[20:50] <tcarrondo> I don' know how to mention here...
[20:50] <tcarrondo> my bad
[20:50] <kyrofa> I have a question on the application: what is the difference between events "Organized by the LoCo" and "events where we participated" ?
[20:51] <tcarrondo> I'll answer
[20:51] <tcarrondo> some events we are "just" invited to participate
[20:52] <tcarrondo> and give talks
[20:52] <nhaines> This sounds very humble.  Those still count as events!  :)
[20:52] <tcarrondo> but those events are not organized by the LoCo,
[20:52] <kyrofa> Ah ha-- so these lists need to be added together?
[20:52] <nhaines> And it's a great way to get more exposure and give newer members experience without being overwhelming.
[20:52] <tcarrondo> so we shouldn't get the organization credits for them
[20:53] <kyrofa> Yeah this is great
[20:53] <kenvandine> excellent application
[20:53] <tcarrondo> thanks!
[20:53] <kenvandine> any more questions before we vote?
[20:53] <nhaines> Do you have any specific plans or wishes for the team in 2018?
[20:54] <svij> I hope for an UbuCon Europe 2019 ;)
[20:54] <kyrofa> Indeed. My only suggestion is to double check your wiki page, it looks a tad old. Make sure it's still relevant
[20:54] <kyrofa> No more questions from me
[20:54] <tcarrondo> Ubucon 2019? don't ruin the surpise...
[20:54] <svij> hahaha
[20:54] <nhaines> Haha!
[20:54] <gsilvapt> :D
[20:55] <tcarrondo> wiki page? It should be done! thanks
[20:55] <kenvandine> #vote Ubuntu Portugal
[20:55] <meetingology> Please vote on: Ubuntu Portugal
[20:55] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:55] <kenvandine> #voters kenvandine svij gsilvapt kyrofa Letozaf_ nhaines
[20:55] <meetingology> Current voters: Letozaf_ gsilvapt kenvandine kyrofa nhaines svij
[20:55] <kyrofa> gsilvapt, I suggest you obstain, although I suspect it won't matter ;)
[20:55] <kenvandine> +1
[20:55] <meetingology> +1 received from kenvandine
[20:55] <nhaines> +1
[20:55] <meetingology> +1 received from nhaines
[20:55] <svij> +1
[20:55] <meetingology> +1 received from svij
[20:55] <kyrofa> +1
[20:55] <meetingology> +1 received from kyrofa
[20:55] <Letozaf_> +1
[20:55] <meetingology> +1 received from Letozaf_
[20:55] <gsilvapt> 0 as it is my LoCo and this feel more adequate
[20:55] <meetingology> 0 as it is my LoCo and this feel more adequate received from gsilvapt
[20:55] <kenvandine> #endvote
[20:55] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Ubuntu Portugal
[20:55] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[20:55] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:55] <kenvandine> congrats!
[20:55] <svij> congrats, keep up your good work :)
[20:55] <DiogoC> :)
[20:55] <kenvandine> and thanks for all the great work
[20:55] <nhaines> Congratulations, and keep up the great work!  :D
[20:55] <tcarrondo> :)
[20:55] <kyrofa> Looking great guys, keep it up
[20:55] <DiogoC> thanks
[20:55] <gsilvapt> Thank you guys ::)
[20:55] <Letozaf_> Congrats
[20:55] <tiagopolicarpopt> :)
[20:56] <tcarrondo> thanks!!
[20:56] <kenvandine> #topic SwissTeam
[20:56] <kenvandine> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwissTeam/ReVerificationApplication2017
[20:56] <kenvandine> Anyone here to represent SwissTeam
[20:56] <tiagopolicarpopt> Thanks
[20:58] <kenvandine> i guess we don't have a SwissTeam representative
[20:58] <gsilvapt> Their information is not very clear. They seem active, but don't have a LoCo Directory nor is that up-to-date
[20:58] <kenvandine> events seem quite lacking
[20:59] <gsilvapt> Or is this a first-time request and thus they don't have a LoCo Directory?
[20:59] <nhaines> It appears to me that they were concerned that they needed to be on the agenda to at least gain more time to finish the application.
[20:59] <kyrofa> Yeah, judging from the Linux Day site they have things going on, but the application seems incomplete
[20:59] <svij> the application also says DRAFT at the top
[20:59] <kyrofa> Heh
[21:00] <kenvandine> huge gap in mailing list traffic
[21:00] <kenvandine> oct 16 to dec 17
[21:00] <kyrofa> Ouch
[21:00] <kenvandine> and dec 17 was about re-verification
[21:00] <kenvandine> sounds like they might be trying to get the loco going again
[21:00] <svij> but swiss is a bit different to other countries, since Germany has a strong community and many people are helping online over there
[21:00] <kyrofa> Yeah, I say give them a two-month extension
[21:01] <nhaines> Yeah, I think things look positive but we need concrete information.  They should have more time to get it to us.  :)
[21:01] <kenvandine> ok
[21:01] <kenvandine> lets vote on that
[21:01] <gsilvapt> shall we vote on that?
[21:01] <svij> yup
[21:01] <kenvandine> #topic SwissTeam Two month extension
[21:01] <kenvandine> whoops
[21:02] <gsilvapt> vote not topic :P
[21:02] <kyrofa> Haha
[21:02] <kenvandine> #vote SwissTeam Two month extension
[21:02] <meetingology> Please vote on: SwissTeam Two month extension
[21:02] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[21:02] <svij> +1
[21:02] <meetingology> +1 received from svij
[21:02] <kyrofa> +1
[21:02] <meetingology> +1 received from kyrofa
[21:02] <kenvandine> #voters kenvandine svij gsilvapt kyrofa Letozaf_ nhaines
[21:02] <meetingology> Current voters: Letozaf_ gsilvapt kenvandine kyrofa nhaines svij
[21:02] <Letozaf_> +1
[21:02] <meetingology> +1 received from Letozaf_
[21:02] <kenvandine> +1
[21:02] <meetingology> +1 received from kenvandine
[21:02] <gsilvapt> +1
[21:02] <meetingology> +1 received from gsilvapt
[21:02] <nhaines> +1 Please continue working on your application and get back to us.  :)
[21:02] <meetingology> +1 Please continue working on your application and get back to us.  :) received from nhaines
[21:02] <kenvandine> #endvote
[21:02] <meetingology> Voting ended on: SwissTeam Two month extension
[21:02] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[21:02] <meetingology> Motion carried
[21:03] <kenvandine> #topic any other business?
[21:03] <kenvandine> who wants to go update all the expirations?
[21:03]  * kyrofa waves, because I have no clue how
[21:04] <nhaines> #vote Who wants to update all the expirations?
[21:04] <kenvandine> great time to learn :)
[21:04] <kyrofa> Exactly!
[21:04]  * Letozaf_ me too does not have idea
[21:04] <nhaines> It's actually pretty easy.
[21:04] <kyrofa> Letozaf_ we can split them unless someone else also doesn't know?
[21:04]  * nhaines hides /o\
[21:04] <kenvandine> nhaines, we have a voluteer :)
[21:04] <kenvandine> just change the date and enter a comment for why
[21:04] <kenvandine> i can show you on the first one
[21:05] <nhaines> I've done it before.  :)
[21:05]  * Letozaf_ ok looks easy
[21:05] <kenvandine> nhaines, for kyrofa :)
[21:05] <kenvandine> shall we confirm a date for our next meeting?
[21:05] <nhaines> Sure.
[21:06] <kyrofa> kenvandine, you do AZ, I'll do Myanmar, Venezuala, and Tunisia, Letozaf_ you can do Portugal and Switzerland. Sound okay?
[21:06] <kenvandine> ok
[21:06] <nhaines> Any questions, just ask in the IRC channel or Telegram group.  :)
[21:06] <Letozaf_> ok
[21:06] <kyrofa> Good deal
[21:06] <kyrofa> Next meeting, Jan 8th, 2000 UTC?
[21:07] <nhaines> Works for me!
[21:07] <kenvandine> yeah
[21:07] <kenvandine> works for me
[21:07] <kyrofa> Anyone not gonna be here?
[21:07] <Letozaf_> ok
[21:07] <svij> yup
[21:07] <kyrofa> Cool
[21:08] <x3mboy> o/
[21:08] <kenvandine> anything else?
[21:08] <MajB> Thanks.  Good meeting.
[21:08] <nhaines> Happy holidays to everyone, of course.  :)  Happy new year in particular!
[21:09] <kenvandine> #endmeeting
[21:09] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Dec 11 21:09:25 2017 UTC.
[21:09] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-12-11-20.07.moin.txt
[21:09] <Letozaf_> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all
[21:09] <kenvandine> Happy Holidays to all!
[21:09] <kyrofa> Merry Christmas!
[21:10] <kenvandine> gsilvapt, http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-12-11-20.07.moin.txt
[21:10] <kenvandine> gsilvapt, you can grab the notes from there
[21:16] <Naudy> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all