[01:37] <kenvandine> jbicha, jamesh is working on xdg-desktop-portal snap integration
[01:37] <kenvandine> we will need that
[01:37] <jbicha> robert_ancell: btw, Debian bug 842298 (but it doesn't look like it got very far)
[01:37] <ubot5`> Debian bug 842298 in wnpp "RFP: california -- calendar application for GNOME 3" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/842298
[01:38] <jbicha> kenvandine: I guess you want both xdg-desktop-portal and -gtk in main back to Trusty if possible then?
[01:39] <jamesh> jbicha: we'll need some modifications to xdg-desktop-portal to make it usable with snaps
[01:40] <jbicha> jamesh: should we wait on that before filing the MIRs then?
[01:40] <jamesh> jbicha: perhaps?
[01:40] <jbicha> how big are your anticipated changes?
[01:41] <jamesh> jbicha: no changes to xdg-desktop-portal-gtk.  For xdg-desktop-portal, it needs a patch to detect when it is talking to a snap
[01:42] <jbicha> ok, I might go ahead and file the MIRs then
[01:44] <jamesh> it's quite possible we'll need to backport new versions to trusty too
[02:17] <dany19775555> hi
[02:17] <dany19775555> help pls
[02:18] <dany19775555> helo
[02:20] <dobey> #ubuntu is the support channel
[02:20] <dobey> and first rule is "be patient" :)
[02:21] <dany19775555> ok 10x
[02:22] <dany19775555> i have wifi RTL8187SE
[02:22] <dany19775555> in wind i have fool signal , but here its weak
[02:22] <dany19775555> kernel4.10
[02:29] <dany19775_555> some help pls
[02:38] <dany1976_hhh> help
[02:38] <sarnold> dany1976_hhh: you may find this useful http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[02:41] <dany1976_hhh> 10x
[04:52] <kenvandine> jbicha, thx!
[08:23] <duflu> Morning Europe
[08:23] <jibel> Hi duflu, welcome back!
[08:24] <duflu> Hi jibel, thanks
[08:54] <duflu> Hi seb128, flexiondotorg
[08:56] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:56] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN, alan_g
[08:56] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:57] <seb128> hey duflu! welcome back. Did you have good holidays?
[08:57] <seb128> lut oSoMoN
[08:57] <duflu> seb128, yes thanks
[08:57] <seb128> great
[08:58] <seb128> good luck with the email backlog, that's always a challenge after holidays
[08:59] <duflu> seb128, I'm just going to ignore the bugs until later this week, then look at new ones only
[08:59] <seb128> that sounds good
[08:59] <duflu> Is unity-session meant to be from gnome-session?!
[09:00] <seb128> the bugs activity settled down for a few weeks, as usual post new-version spike and then back to lower
[09:00] <duflu> Ah yes, it is. Just have to reboot before it appears
[09:00] <seb128> right, that's a known gdm issue, you need to restart it to have new sessions listed
[09:00] <oSoMoN> hey duflu, welcome back!
[09:00] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, ça va?
[09:01] <duflu> Thanks oSoMoN
[09:01] <seb128> duflu, btw your gtk patch got merged, good job :)
[09:01] <Laney> ahoy there
[09:02] <duflu> seb128, I noticed. Nice to see. It still only exists in GTK 4.0 though. And last I checked that was slower than 3.x
[09:02] <duflu> Hi Laney
[09:02] <seb128> duflu, you might want to ask if they could backport to gtk3, if not we might want to distropatch
[09:02] <seb128> hey Laney, how is it going?
[09:02] <duflu> seb128, I've had a distropatch awaiting review for 2 months or so. It was in my list :)
[09:05] <alan_g> hello duflu
[09:05] <oSoMoN> hey Laney
[09:06] <willcooke> hoy
[09:06] <willcooke> hey duflu, welcome back
[09:06] <duflu> 'lo willcooke, ta
[09:06] <seb128> hey willcooke, already in London?
[09:07] <Laney> hey duflu seb128 oSoMoN willcooke
[09:07] <willcooke> seb128, nah, at home, I think I'll head in after the meeting today.  They might cancel the "meeting" if other people can't get in because of the trains being rubbish etc
[09:07] <Laney> it's going GREAT!
[09:07] <duflu> Do British trains work in snow? :)
[09:07] <Laney> wrong kind of snow
[09:07] <willcooke> duflu,  they do not :)
[09:08] <seb128> but brexit is going to solve that, don't worry
[09:08] <willcooke> :DD
[09:08] <seb128> sorry :p
[09:08] <duflu> So it's only the immigrant trains that don't work in snow?
[09:08] <duflu> I thought it was the other way round
[09:09]  * acheronuk chokes on coffee 4 laughing
[09:09] <Laney> it's EU regulations holding back our great global british trains
[09:11] <Laney> last night the lock on our gate was frozen shut
[09:11] <Laney> so I ended up breathing on it for about 2 minutes
[09:11] <Laney> my finest hour
[09:17] <seb128> aha
[09:26] <popey> willcooke: fyi - this worked on xenial, not on zesty.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1736232
[09:26] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1736232 in gnome-software (Ubuntu Zesty) "GNOME Software shows U1 login for snaps" [High,Fix committed]
[09:27] <willcooke> popey, saw the bug comment
[09:27] <willcooke> thanks
[09:27] <popey> kk
[09:29] <seb128> popey, when you write "tested on zesty" you mean the SRU there? you restarted your session or at least the gnome-software service after installing it?
[09:29] <seb128> popey, also I guess you can change to xenial tag to verification-done-xenial if you verified it
[09:34] <jibel> on xenial if you cancel the u1 prompt is still displayed. But it's an improvement anyway, i'll mark it done.
[09:34] <jibel> cancel the password dialog I mean
[09:43] <duflu> seb128, that gtk distro patch is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/gtk/fix-1698270/+merge/331846
[10:04] <seb128> duflu, thanks
[10:10] <duflu> seb128, manual testing on totem is very hard to observe the difference. Testing with gdkgears was easy in artful but the difference isn't as obvious in bionic. Gnome Maps on bionic however is dramatically better with that fix
[10:10] <duflu> And that's enough. Night
[10:14] <koza> duflu, welcome back
[10:17] <seb128> koza, you missed him!
[10:19] <Nafallo> hmm. if I customise things in /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas on xenial, if a user changes something, they'll get overwritten with a schemas folder somewhere in their homedirectory, right?
[10:19] <Nafallo> (asking here saves a bunch of trial and error testing, sorry)
[10:23] <Laney> are you asking if .gschema.override files specify settings that can be changed by users?
[10:23] <Laney> the answer is yes
[10:23] <Nafallo> Laney: yes :-)
[10:23] <Laney> Nafallo: maybe you want https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/dconf/SystemAdministrators ?
[10:24] <Nafallo> oooh...
[10:25] <Nafallo> Laney: I'm supposed to do /etc rather than /usr/share...
[10:25] <Nafallo> ?
[10:25] <Laney> depends who you are
[10:26] <Laney> if you're sysadminning a bunch of machines I'd look at that /etc stuff
[10:26] <Laney> if you're making a distro, overrides
[10:26] <Nafallo> I'm making a customised Ubuntu ISO for laptops within a large corporation :-)
[10:27] <Nafallo> so overrides is probably correct then.
[10:27] <Nafallo> cheers Laney :-)
[10:46] <popey> seb128: yes, I installed the gnome-software from proposed (which is why the terminal is in the screenshot) on zesty
[10:46] <popey> seb128: I didnt mark confirmed because kenvandine said jibel was also testing, i just wanted to provide a data point that I'd tested it
[11:08] <jibel> popey, I don't get the U1 prompt on zesty with the version from proposed. Only if I cancel the password dialog.
[11:09] <jibel> popey, did you kill gnome-software running in the backgrround after installing the version from proposed?
[11:09] <popey> No. I rebooted
[11:10] <jibel> ok
[11:12]  * popey reboots and tries again
[11:14] <jibel> popey, not really related but is it pycharm from the store? I've "PyCharm Pro" as title not "pycharm-professional"
[11:15] <popey> i didnt do a full dist upgrade, only clean zesty + proposed gnome-software, so perhaps I'm missing snapd-glib updates and others
[11:16] <popey> so doing a full update before testing again
[11:18] <jibel> okay. I'll wait for your update and dig a bit on my side
[11:20] <Nafallo> bug #1737723 - if anyone has a non-updated Logitech Unifying receiver and want to confirm the bug :-)
[11:20] <ubot5`> bug 1737723 in fwupd (Ubuntu) "failed to extract .cab file: incorrect checksum detected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1737723
[11:29] <popey> jibel: good news.. it just needed fully updating - i expect snapd-glib, and yes now I see PyCharm Pro
[11:29] <popey> \o/
[11:29] <popey> and yes, if I cancel the sudo prompt, I see a U1 prompt too
[11:29] <jibel> popey, good, it's a known bug but different
[11:29] <popey> however
[11:30] <popey> if I put my password in right, I get a 400 Bad request in a box :(
[11:30] <popey> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/jkLwKNPW/
[11:31] <jibel> hmm
[11:32] <popey> that only happened on the first one, the second one worked
[11:33] <popey> hm, seems some work, some don't
[11:33] <popey> chromium worked, pycharm pro, gogland don't
[11:33] <popey> *goland
[11:34] <popey> aha! They're classic snaps
[11:36] <jibel> ah, there is another bug for this one.
[11:37]  * jibel wishes he remembers all the bug numbers
[11:39] <jibel> the "classic snap" bug is bug 1690280
[11:39] <ubot5`> bug 1690280 in gnome-software (Ubuntu Zesty) "Classic confined snaps don't install" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1690280
[11:39] <jibel> popey, ^
[11:39] <jibel> not SRUed
[11:41] <popey> gotcha
[11:41] <xnox> Hi, do you know anybody who can triange https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1732612
[11:41] <xnox> ?
[11:41] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1732612 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Alt+Printscreen not working (doesn't generate keypress event)" [Undecided,New]
[11:42] <willcooke> thanks popey jibel
[11:42] <jibel> popey, and the password one is bug 1721735
[11:42] <ubot5`> bug 1721735 in gnome-software (Ubuntu Artful) "UbuntuOne auth dialog is displayed when polkit auth dialog is dismissed" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1721735
[11:42] <popey> sounds like those three need to land together
[11:43] <willcooke> xnox, installing unity-session here, stand by
[11:45] <xnox> willcooke, i don't know how keypresses are done at all..... kernel? X? wayland? gnome-settings? then screenshot app?
[11:46]  * xnox thought screenshots do not work in wayland (or maybe only in the old days of wayland)
[11:47] <xnox> willcooke, also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1734160
[11:47] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1734160 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Ctrl+Alt+F* not switching to a text prompt, only between graphical sessions" [Undecided,New]
[11:47] <xnox> note, that for some reason, on my laptops I only get ubuntu X, not wayland stuff.
[11:49] <popey> xnox: willcooke there's a bunch of keyboard shortcuts missing in unity session on 17.10
[11:49] <popey> ALT+Printscreen is just one, printscreen is also broken, and CTRL+ALT+T
[11:50] <popey> ALT+Printscreen triggers HUD here
[11:50] <xnox> popey, can you comment on above bugs? or where should they be assigned? unity? do these work in gnome-shell?
[11:51] <popey> i confirmed it
[11:51] <xnox> ack
[11:54] <willcooke> popey, print screen works fine here, but alt-printscreen per the bug is indeed broken.
[11:54] <willcooke> I wonder if this is a libinput thing
[11:56] <willcooke> popey, ctrl-alt-t under unity is broken for you?
[11:57] <popey> yup
[11:57] <popey> I just installed unity session on my 17.10 laptop
[11:59] <willcooke> odd.
[11:59] <willcooke> Works for me
[11:59] <willcooke> ta
[12:00] <popey> wonder if my system is polluted as it was installed prior to release
[12:29] <Nafallo> I've done some more digging on bug 1737723
[12:29] <ubot5`> bug 1737723 in gcab (Ubuntu) "failed to extract .cab file: incorrect checksum detected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1737723
[12:29] <Nafallo> I may have to set up build machines again soon to be able to test this the whole way ;-)
[12:45] <Laney> Nafallo: the only change is adding https://git.gnome.org/browse/gcab/commit/?h=wip/hughsie/meson&id=18557a4c7811355987abf9efe91c61b1d17327b8
[12:45] <Laney> suspiciously related eh
[12:45] <Laney> maybe https://git.gnome.org/browse/gcab/commit/?id=0c9c7b478b5a9d0d8b5da5ef8cd964fa1b678448 is required
[12:46] <seb128> willcooke, popey, libinput doesn't have to do with those keybindings handling
[12:46] <seb128> willcooke, popey, what's the bug you are looking at/bug number?
[12:47] <willcooke> seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1732612
[12:47] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1732612 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Alt+Printscreen not working (doesn't generate keypress event)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:47] <willcooke> seb128, confirmed here on 17.10 with U7
[12:47] <seb128> willcooke, that bug was reported against gnome-shell though, they are different stacks/components handling the keybindings
[12:48] <seb128> description states unity though hum
[12:48] <willcooke> ah yeah, I think that's wrong then, it should be against u7
[12:48] <seb128> willcooke, the keybinding is correctly defined in the settings?
[12:49] <willcooke> seb128, yeah
[12:49] <willcooke> but interestingly
[12:49] <willcooke> if I try and set it again to alt-prnt scr
[12:50] <Nafallo> Laney: indeed. just degrading libgcab didn't help either. gut feeling is I have to rebuild stuff again the degraded libgcab to figure this out.
[12:50] <Laney> Nafallo: wouldn't expect that to be necessary
[12:50] <willcooke> then it says "alt l is already used as the key to show the hud" so it's like its not seeing alt-prt as a key combo, ignoring prtscr
[12:51] <Nafallo> Laney: I wouldn't expect it to be, but gcab -x works now, whilst fwupdmgr has the same issue still.
[12:51] <Nafallo> *shrugs*
[12:53] <seb128> willcooke, k, I'm going to have a look
[12:54] <willcooke> thanks seb128, let me know what I can do to help
[12:54] <seb128> k, thanks
[12:54] <seb128> willcooke, btw I replied on that usb-c card, don't know what you mean with the typo ... :p
[12:55] <Laney> ho hum
[12:55] <Laney> maybe it's inlined or statically linked something
[12:55] <Laney> anyway
[12:55] <Laney> you can probably report that upstream if you're up for it
[12:56]  * Laney tried with that other patch and it's still busted
[12:56] <Laney> https://paste.debian.net/1000385/
[13:02] <Nafallo> cheers. I guess I need to teach myself this github thing soon then ;-)
[13:02] <Nafallo> I don't think it was around last time I did stuff.
[13:02] <willcooke> seb128, lol
[13:03] <Nafallo> Laney: want to confirm the bug for me? :-)
[13:04] <seb128> willcooke, :)
[13:14] <Nafallo> heh. seems both DD and upstream got involved on my bug :-P
[13:14] <Nafallo> Laney: I may not have to report this upstream when they are so pro-active :-D
[13:46] <GunnarHj> Hi seb128, did you see my entry yesterday about a xenial translation update?
[13:47] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, yes, that sounds fine to me and overdue
[13:55] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok. Before we do it, I'd like to ask about the procedure. In short this is how it's done: All langpacks are added to -proposed, and the translators are asked to accomplish some simple tests. However, usually only 7-10 teams test, and only the langpacks for their languages are moved to -update. Besides, the translators of the biggest languages are extra bad at responding to testing requests. See the latest for xenial, as
[13:56] <GunnarHj> an example:
[13:56] <GunnarHj> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA
[13:56] <GunnarHj> So I'd like to raise the question if this is a sensible way to make use of the langpacks. Basically I suppose I'm asking if testing is necessary.
[14:29] <Laney> Nafallo: you lucky thing
[14:29] <seb128> GunnarHj, well I guess that process has been decided for a reason so would be better to stick to it
[14:30] <willcooke> ding ding
[14:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2017-12-12
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Dec 12 14:30:17 2017 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:30] <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks (hols), duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[14:30] <jbicha> o/
[14:30] <oSoMoN> hey
[14:30] <seb128> hey
[14:30] <kenvandine> o/
[14:30] <heber> o/
[14:31] <jibel> hi o/
[14:32] <willcooke> Just give folks a few mins and we'll get started
[14:32] <andyrock> o/
[14:32] <willcooke> Looks like we've got enough to get started then
[14:32] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[14:33] <andyrock> 1. Updates udisks2 MP to add tests and a bunch of other stuff
[14:33] <andyrock> 2. Trying to understand if it's possible to SRU py-macaroon-bakery deps as backporting is not an option
[14:33] <andyrock> 3. Updated software-properties patch to take into accounts more errors
[14:33] <andyrock> 4. eof
[14:34] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[14:34] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[14:34] <dgadomski> hey
[14:34] <dgadomski> * fixed bug #1720627, verified the fix for xenial-artful
[14:34] <dgadomski> eof
[14:34] <ubot5`> bug 1720627 in sysstat (Ubuntu Artful) "Segfault when using docker and overlay2" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1720627
[14:34] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[14:35] <willcooke> #topic jbicha
[14:35] <jbicha> • Synced gnome-user-share but it's in universe until the mod-dnssd MIR is approved LP: #1731065 (Security is reluctant)
[14:35] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1731065 in mod-dnssd (Ubuntu) "[MIR] mod-dnssd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1731065
[14:35] <jbicha> • Uploaded latest gparted with this notable change from Debian: LP: #1737248
[14:35] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1737248 in gparted (Debian) "Do not use --enable-xhost-root" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1737248
[14:35] <jbicha> • Uploaded vala 0.38 to experimental
[14:35] <jbicha> • Proposed merging latest vino from Debian at the Community Hub
[14:35] <jbicha> • Dropped USB seed & task
[14:35] <jbicha> • Firefox 58 Beta in the PPA has dropped its gtk2 dependency
[14:35] <jbicha> • Debian's Chromium switched to gtk3 after I filed a bug
[14:35] <jbicha> • Filed bugs for gtk2 in main: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=gtk2-demotion
[14:35] <jbicha> • Sponsored GunnarHJ's fixes for LP: #1704533 Thanks!
[14:35] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1704533 in libgweather (Ubuntu Artful) "French language locale missing : Gnome-Weather" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1704533
[14:35] <jbicha> • New fonts-noto-color-emoji release with critical fixes for hamburger, beer, & cheese
[14:35] <jbicha> 🍔
[14:35] <willcooke> :))
[14:36] <willcooke> thanks jbicha
[14:36] <willcooke> #topic jamesh
[14:36] <willcooke> kenvandine, did you get an update from jamesh?
[14:36] <kenvandine> nope
[14:36] <kenvandine> i'll remind him
[14:36] <seb128> :-/
[14:36] <willcooke> thanks kenvandine
[14:37] <willcooke> #topic jibel  / heber
[14:37] <jibel> - Testing of the snap version of bluez 5.47 on Desktop. Pass rate is over 80% but there are still major limitations on desktop (does not autostart, hciconfig is failing, does not work without the Debian package installed)
[14:37] <jibel> - Smoke test of the Firefox snap are automated. They use Selenium to run HTML5 support  tests.
[14:37] <jibel> - Updated of the Desktop KPIs for Bionic.
[14:37] <jibel> - Performed SRU verification of xenial/gnome-software (3.20.5-0ubuntu0.16.04.7) and zesty/gnome-software (3.22.7-0ubuntu3.17.04.8) - Still have to wait a few days for the verification of bug 1716633 and check that there is no new error for these specific version of gnome-software.
[14:37] <jibel> - Submitted autopilot-gtk snap PR to be able to introspect gnome snaps applications to add automated GUI tests.
[14:37] <jibel> - Updating gedit snap to be introspected by autopilot-gtk
[14:37] <jibel> EOF
[14:37] <ubot5`> bug 1716633 in gnome-software (Ubuntu Zesty) "Installed, popular and featured snaps are loaded in parallel threads can crash" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1716633
[14:37] <willcooke> thanks jibel
[14:38] <willcooke> #topic kenvandine
[14:38] <kenvandine> * Debugging issues with snaps on wayland that are build with 16.04 proper, without the backports PPA.
[14:38] <kenvandine> * Helped advocacy team with some snaps
[14:38] <kenvandine> * Google Code-in mentoring
[14:38] <kenvandine>   - Responding to questions
[14:38] <kenvandine>   - Reviewed default apps in ubuntu-dock task and uploaded it to bionic
[14:38] <kenvandine>   - GNOME Weather translation task is done and submitted upstream now
[14:38] <kenvandine> * Had my first LoCo Council meeting since being elected to the council, we had quite the backlog of LoCos to reverify.  Looking forward to helping re-energize the LoCo teams.
[14:38] <kenvandine> EOF
[14:38] <willcooke> nice, thanks kenvandine
[14:38] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[14:38] <Laney> hi
[14:38] <Laney> • autopkgtest:
[14:38] <Laney> ∘ arm64 images got lost for lots of releases, hassle IS to get them back
[14:38] <Laney> ∘ some poking regarding the kernel bug, think it's identified now & should be fixed soon
[14:39] <Laney> • fixed a gnome-control-center upstream bug where the search provider wasn't translating its results
[14:39] <Laney> • gstreamer 1.8.4 related updates
[14:39] <Laney> • some more work on systemd session stuff, trying to update gnome-session/gnome-shell to find the right XDG session differently
[14:39] <Laney> • got gnome-software branch for apt://packagename merged
[14:39] <Laney> 🎅🏿
[14:39] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[14:39] <willcooke> #TOPIC oSoMoN
[14:39] <oSoMoN> hey
[14:39] <oSoMoN> (short week, was off two days last week)
[14:39] <oSoMoN> • chromium
[14:39] <oSoMoN>   ∘ updated chromium beta to 63.0.3239.84 and updated snap in beta channel
[14:39] <oSoMoN>   ∘ updated chromium dev to 64.0.3282.14 and updated snap in edge channel
[14:39] <oSoMoN>   ∘ updated chromium stable to 63.0.3239.84 (all supported series + bionic-proposed), snap in candidate channel
[14:39] <oSoMoN>   ∘ looking into automating some of the validation tests I perform for new releases (they are time-consuming and tedious)
[14:39] <oSoMoN>   ∘ snap+nvidia issue investigation ongoing
[14:39] <oSoMoN> • libreoffice
[14:39] <oSoMoN>   ∘ finally promoted 5.4.3 snap to stable channel
[14:40] <oSoMoN> That's all folks 🐰
[14:40] <willcooke> thanks oSoMoN, f_lexiondotorg has poke ev about the AWS nvidia stuff to see if that can be used, he'll reach out soon
[14:40] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[14:40] <oSoMoN> yes, I have a meeting scheduled with him in 30min
[14:40] <willcooke> oSoMoN, great!
[14:40] <seb128> • some more plannings work
[14:40] <seb128> • discussed the changes for livepatch on xenial with andy_rock, needs to be SRUed rather than backported but that should be fine
[14:40] <seb128> • incoming bugs review
[14:40] <seb128> • investigated some of the "needs to we switched away from python2" desktopish reports
[14:40] <seb128> • looked at the .config/.local dirs have wrong permission bugs raised by the security team
[14:41] <seb128> • read a bit about n-m/resolved DNS handling, trying to understand the issue/patch blocking the n-m update
[14:41] <seb128> • some sponsoring
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[14:41] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[14:41] <willcooke> brb
[14:41] <willcooke> door
[14:41] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[14:41] <tkamppeter> - cpdb-backend-cups, cpdb-backend-gcp: Prepared for Debian/Ubuntu packaging: Cleaned up build systems, use autotools for both, let backend executables go into common directory.
[14:41] <tkamppeter> - cpdb-libs: Created new Debian package with 1.1.0, no response on proposed packaging from Debian. Seems that I have to go Ubuntu-only here.
[14:41] <tkamppeter> - avahi: Still waiting for someone to sponsor my package with the localhost support (for IPP-over-USB) patch. Also no reaction from upstream (Trent Lloyd) yet (bug 1736757).
[14:41] <tkamppeter> - systemd: No solution for UDEV-triggered printer setup not working yet (bug 1721839, https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/7109).
[14:41] <tkamppeter> - Qt print dialog: Testing for upstream submission.
[14:41] <ubot5`> bug 1736757 in avahi (Ubuntu) "[PATCH] Avahi does not support local-only services via the loopback interface" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1736757
[14:41] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2018: ~100 student CVs collected from students of the best Indian universities. So we will have enough students to implement any project ideas, we only need to find enough mentors.
[14:41] <ubot5`> bug 1721839 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Services asked for by UDEV do not get triggered" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1721839
[14:41] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[14:42] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[14:42] <tkamppeter> ubot5 does not treat GitHub Issues.
[14:42] <willcooke> yeah, seems that way.  Anyone know who operates it?
[14:42] <willcooke> Well, something to look in to
[14:43] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[14:43] <seb128> oh
[14:43] <seb128> he sent me his update
[14:44] <seb128> · Short week due to the national holiday on 8th
[14:44] <seb128> · Fixed bug causing shadow offset when using scale > 3 on gtk windows
[14:44] <seb128> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791363
[14:44] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 791363 in .General "Shadow vertical offset is wrong when scaling is > 2" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[14:44] <seb128> · Gjs: throw more erros when using proto functions
[14:44] <seb128>   https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gjs/merge_requests/27
[14:44] <seb128> · Gjs: use less strict erros in stable branch:
[14:44] <seb128>   https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gjs/merge_requests/28
[14:44] <seb128> · Gjs: fix crash on some deallocated objects for gnome-3.26
[14:44] <seb128>   https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gjs/merge_requests/33
[14:44] <seb128> · gnome-shell: fixed various JS issues (potential crashes):
[14:44] <seb128>   - don't access to destroyed dnd actor
[14:44] <seb128>   - don't close destroyed app menus
[14:44] <seb128>   - destroy WindowClone's only once
[14:44] <seb128>   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791233
[14:44] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 791233 in general "Various Javascript errors in accessing deleted object properties" [Normal,New]
[14:44] <seb128> 🎄
[14:44] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[14:45] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[14:45] <willcooke> - Working on guest session support
[14:45] <willcooke> - Updated some forum.snapcraft.io threads about requested desktop features.
[14:45] <willcooke> - Got CI working for LightDM and simple-scan
[14:45] <willcooke> - simple-scan 3.27.3 release
[14:45] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[14:45] <willcooke> Anyone got anything else?
[14:46] <willcooke> I'm off from Friday until 2nd week in Jan.  Shall we skip weekly meetings until then, or seb128 kenvandine do you want to run them?
[14:46] <kenvandine> i'm fine with helping run them
[14:46] <seb128> same for next week, then I'm off as well
[14:46] <kenvandine> at least next week :)
[14:46] <kenvandine> ok, lets skip then
[14:46] <jbicha> yeah, no need to have Christmas Tuesday meeting
[14:46] <seb128> :p
[14:47] <willcooke> kk, next meeting will be 9th Jan
[14:47]  * Laney kicks back
[14:47] <willcooke> oki, if there's nothing else we can wrap, and I will head in to that London
[14:47] <kenvandine> willcooke, have fun
[14:47] <seb128> thanks, enjoy London!
[14:47] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[14:47] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Dec 12 14:47:46 2017 UTC.
[14:47] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-12-12-14.30.moin.txt
[14:48] <Laney> https://media.giphy.com/media/yVuSQrfiGhmPS/giphy.gif
[14:49] <seb128> lol
[14:50] <jbicha> "See more Eggnog GIFS" 😲
[14:50] <oSoMoN> :)
[14:51]  * Laney watched them all
[14:55] <GunnarHj> seb128: That was a short meeting. :)
[14:55] <GunnarHj> For a reason, yes, indeed. Preventing that certain translations breaks important functionality. The question is how big that risk is. My frustration is about all the translated strings which never reach the end users because the translators aren't as responsive as you'd wish.
[14:55] <GunnarHj> OTOH, reconsidering it now, for an almost 2 years old release, is probably not a good idea. So yes, let's do it the usual way this time too.
[15:03] <seb128> GunnarHj, right, we can't really skip testing, can try to nag/motivate translations team to test a bit more though
[15:03] <seb128> like email the -<locale> lists
[15:04] <GunnarHj> seb128: Since this will probably be the last translation update for xenial, I'm inclined to think we should do a full update. In that case I need to build ubuntu-docs first, then we'd request a full update (this weekend?) and then moving to -proposed in the beginning of next week. How does that sound?
[15:04] <seb128> GunnarHj, what do you mean by "full" there?
[15:04] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yes, emailing the local email lists sounds like a good idea.
[15:05] <GunnarHj> seb128: I mean new -base packages, which include the docs.
[15:05] <seb128> do we do that in SRUs?
[15:05] <GunnarHj> seb128: Sometimes.
[15:06] <seb128> oh ok, I'm too new in the langpack handling business, never did one of those
[15:06] <GunnarHj> seb128: Maybe skip that part, then.
[15:06] <seb128> yeah, or I can try to have a look to it
[15:07] <GunnarHj> seb128: Your decision.
[15:07] <seb128> GunnarHj, let me have a look to that and come back to you later in the week
[15:08] <GunnarHj> seb128: Sure.
[15:08] <seb128> thx
[15:11] <GunnarHj> seb128: But when thinking about, I'd vote for not bothering with new -base packs. In that case, all you need to do is moving the latest packages from the PPA to -proposed.
[15:20] <seb128> GunnarHj, right, that one is easy to do
[15:21] <GunnarHj> seb128: Testing usually starts on Thursdays, so if you have made up your mind, would you have time to do that today or tomorrow?
[15:22] <seb128> GunnarHj, yes, that should be fine but probably tomorrow rather than today
[15:22] <GunnarHj> seb128: Ok.
[15:32] <Nafallo> Laney: now we're just waiting for Debian :-D
[15:32] <Nafallo> also, damn I'm rusty when it comes to building packages :-P
[15:34] <jbicha> seb128: speaking of langpacks, I was wondering when you expect to turn them on for bionic
[15:36] <seb128> jbicha, when days have 30 hours
[15:37] <jbicha> no problem, it's not urgent
[15:38] <seb128> but thanks for pointing it out
[15:39] <jbicha> LP: #1737648 was the only reason I was asking
[15:39] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1737648 in libgweather (Ubuntu) "Hold libgweather in -proposed until first bionic language pack" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1737648
[15:42] <seb128> jbicha, right, we should start rolling langpacks anyway so it's good to ping about it :)
[15:48] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Are you sure that bug won't block the SRUs?
[15:49] <jbicha> we can talk to the SRU team if it does
[15:49] <Trevinho> hi guys
[15:50] <GunnarHj> jbicha: Ok.
[15:50] <jbicha> good morning
[15:51] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are you?
[15:52] <Trevinho> Hey all good, although this morning I woke up with the owner of the house saying to get hout that there would have been an inspection from the municipality... And I  guess he's not doing things legally... :o
[15:52] <Trevinho> so, I had to wait to get to the coworking, but all ok (I hope), I'd leave Colombia tomorrow anyway...
[15:58] <seb128> Trevinho, utch, don't get arrested :)
[15:59] <Trevinho> no, I didn't do anything :-D
[15:59] <seb128> :)
[15:59] <Trevinho> It's just the guy who apparently has not the proper permissions, don't know.
[16:00] <seb128> yeah, as long as they don't consider than being client of an illegal business is also an violation of the law
[16:00] <Trevinho> Few days ago I found the door  this way...  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/tyiMJc0T/WhatsApp%20Image%202017-12-07%20at%2017.34.04.jpeg
[16:00] <andyrock> Trevinho: what'that?
[16:01] <Trevinho> it's the house where I'm in Medelín...
[16:01] <andyrock> lol
[16:02] <Trevinho> just hope to have a place to go tonight... which will be my last one too
[16:02] <oSoMoN> popey, have you managed to get a spot instance up and running? my request has been pending for 11min now…
[16:02] <popey> oSoMoN: yeah, ssh'ed into it now
[16:02] <popey> just figuring out vnc
[16:03] <oSoMoN> popey, cool, when you do please share details of the setup
[16:05] <seb128> Trevinho, it's busy time, not easy to find an hotel room?
[16:05] <popey> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3fcc4sZQ/Success%20%3A)
[16:06] <popey> although this won't test GPU at all, as it's vncserver...
[16:06] <Trevinho> seb128: i really hope the guy will take care of it if there's any problem. I neither want to trash time in checking
[16:11] <seb128> right
[16:12] <popey> oSoMoN: I don't have time to spend any more on that today. Be interested to know how you get on.
[16:14] <oSoMoN> popey, my request is still pending fulfillment and I have to leave for an appointment in 15min, I'll just cancel it for now and will try again tonight, I'll let you know when I have it up and running
[16:15] <oSoMoN> oh, just fulfilled!
[16:15] <oSoMoN> gonna play with it for 15min then
[16:30] <oSoMoN> gotta go, bbl
[16:39] <willcooke> right, off to London, l8r
[16:41] <jbicha> seb128: do you use hexchat?
[18:01] <Laney> nighty night
[18:46] <seb128> jbicha, sometime but I didn't really managed to get used to it so I keep falling back to xchat-gnome even if it's unmaintained ... why?
[18:47] <jbicha> seb128: because xchat-gnome showed up on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2017-December/040087.html
[18:48] <jbicha> do you think we should replace xchat-gnome with hexchat in the supported-desktop-extra seed (main) ?
[18:52] <jbicha> oh, hexchat is still gtk2 (xchat-gnome is gtk3) so we might not want hexchat in main now :|
[18:57] <jbrett> jbicha: xchat-gnome is a severely functionality-crippled version of xchat/hexchat. They're not equivalent at all, other than they're both IRC clients.
[19:03] <mdeslaur> functionality-crippled?
[19:23] <sarnold> feature parody
[19:49] <jbrett> mdeslaur: yes, in the name of making it easy to use, many useful features were removed (as compared with xchat2 or hexchat)
[19:50] <mdeslaur> huh, I switched from xchat to xchat-gnome to hexchat and never noticed
[19:50]  * mdeslaur shrugs
[19:53] <jbrett> I'm glad it works for you :)