[02:07] Meizu PRO5 can upgrade 16.04 yet? [02:50] No ^^ [02:51] 😭 [02:52] Nobody can, patience :) [02:53] By supporting the project anyhow you help to speed up the deployement [03:01] Stefan Mikulaj发布的 Google+ 信息 … https://plus.google.com/101216811071065193275/posts/6LAyU8w9oXg [03:10] it is unstable. if you want to help development, then you can install it. otherwise you should probably stay on stable. [03:15] How to install it? [03:17] vijay prajapati: … sudo ubuntu-device-flash --server=http://system-image.ubports.com touch \ … --device=[DEVICE-CODENAME] --channel=ubports-touch/16.04/devel --bootstrap --wipe [03:41] @malditobastardo, Can you please provide the link? [03:49] @Vijaypraj, thanks [03:50] 😊 [03:50] 😊 [03:51] 😁 === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [07:58] @nikhilbhalwankar, https://github.com/ubports/telegram-app/releases/tag/v2.5.0 [08:04] @milkor73, no its 2.5.1 now please ^^ [08:05] https://github.com/ubports/telegram-app/releases [08:05] sorry [08:06] @Flohack, I was checking if you are here dear Florian 😂, no that is nost true, I am stupid [08:06] lol [08:10] thanks for your control Florian [09:03] np your welcome. I am the Eye in the Sky [09:03] which is, btw a very nice song by Alan Parsons Project: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNiie_zmSr8 [09:07] 👍, that is the best of all, we know you are there 😊 === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [09:11] Yesterday arrived to my email @mariogrip / Marius has fixed on N5 the on screen button, I can confirm it works perfect now, you have just to wait 1 second and the screen is ON, no more swiping or pushing 3x times the on/off button, thanks Marius, /I am on devel channel/ [09:29] guys good morning. … On aquaris e5, in windows mode, how i can resize windows? … I can only put in full screen mode, but after that, i can't resize them. … Someone can helps? … Thanks for your work. [09:29] @milkor73, woot woot! [09:30] @milkor73, I just installed 251 devel version and I still see this issue. Have you turned automatic brighness on? With automatic brightness on each two times I activate the screen with the button I see the issue again. I thought the fix was still not merged and that's why I haven't reported in the bug report yet. [09:30] @Flohack, controling and helping [09:31] @Flohack, moment, I will find the email [09:32] @milkor73, I got the email too. In the bug report it says waiting for QA, so maybe the fix has not been merged yet [09:32] @milkor73, No need I got it in my notifications as well [09:35] @wagafo, No, it should be pushed into devel. Problem is our image building is not working properly these days [09:36] @Flohack, I can definitely say I'm still seeing this issue in 251 devel version, I will report it in the bug report [09:42] there it is, I have received today the update 250, and checking now has arrived new one: 251, but for me is already working well the on/off screen button, just a small delay === ecloud_ is now known as ecloud [09:49] with update 251 it takes much more time: 3-5 seconds to see the screen ON, I see your bug report Walter, just arrived [09:53] @Flohack, I'm Just trying It! Seems everything ok [09:54] @milkor73, Do you have automatic brightness turned on? === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [10:10] yes it is on [10:11] I know that switching off was helping [10:11] @shen feng, hmm i would really like to see "top command" to see how much memory the new version is consuming .... the new qt version is arm optimized and should consume less memory [10:59] @Flohack, looking at yooou-u-u....🎶🎶🔝🔝 [11:13] RoccoOPO2 was added by: Rocco [11:30] @delijati, Which I am not sure is what is the "base" qt version in 16.04 => we want to go up to 5.9 but this is then a separate custom build for us only [11:56] ahh ok i thought the 16.04 build is already using qt 5.9 [11:57] Ubuntu touch 16.04 based on android 7.0? [11:58] What ?base on android ? [11:59] I mean... Device tree [11:59] :D === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:10] Fwd from OMG! Ubuntu!: A new unstable development release of your favourite photo editor http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/12/gimp-photo-editor-improve-gradient-tool [13:10] http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/bristol-rugby-lose-another-player-919616 [13:36] How can I do a message and call logs backup? [13:43] They should all be somewhere in your home directory [13:46] sms uses sql light dont remember file path but in your home [13:51] @Marianacmacias, ut cant take advantage of wayland support yet but i used gimp via xmir on ut. it is only usable in single window mode which does not come default. i usually start it over ssh forst change ro single mode and then make launcher to open on the phone again. just copy original launcher from /usr/share/applications to ~/.local/share/applications and add xmir flags. if on libertine, also recommend single window mode. [13:56] Why do so many apps use qt? [13:58] Because it's a great framework, and the only officially supported one on Ubuntu Touch? === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:03] Isn't sdl also supported? [14:03] yes, sdl 2.1 I believe [14:04] @alan_griffiths could probably confirm that [14:06] @DanChapman, I know QT was used by the Unity8 developers but I have no special knowledge of what toolkits are supported by UBports. [14:07] but mir supports sdl2 though right? [14:09] sdl2 has a Mir backend. Is that what you mean by "is supported"? [14:09] SDL isn't really something you'd normally use directly in apps? More useful for games [14:09] @alan_griffiths, yeah 😊 [14:09] It's not really a toolkit like Qt is [14:15] gtk widgetset was startet to be ported, but afaik, it was not finished [14:16] it was discussed in this chat some time ago [14:16] apparently some problems with pixel encodings [14:16] between APIs [14:17] Xavier G. was added by: Xavier G. [14:20] Gtk+ works fine. You just have to do manual scaling in your app. Plain qt widgets are the same I think. Qml with uitk gives you api for GU though [14:21] Hi, I tried to install ubport on BQ M10 FHD. I saw an error message, and after rebooting, I find a system very similar as my precedent ubuntu, just lost config and so on. How to be sure if I have ubport system or the precedent ubuntu one ? [14:23] Hello Xavier and welcome! I'm part of the UBports welcoming team. … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :) [14:24] Also, you might be overwhelmed by the amount of messages going through our groups at times, but still interested to stay up to date about our project. In this case, lucky you, there's a brand new News Channel! @UBports_News [14:27] @Xavier G., would you like to discuss this in the welcome room (https://t.me/joinchat/Baj4lhJ4XRotoeGk1QxuRQ)? Longer discussions (especially with beginners or users who just joined) are better off there, because they don't block the supergroup for everyone. And install problems often tend to produce long discussions 😁 [14:30] gtk+ works fine in xmir not natively [14:30] but there was mir port of gtk begun [14:31] A news item with a News Desk link has just been dropped in the UBports News Channel. To learn more about this news be sure to subscribe to the News Channel here: https://t.me/ubports_news [14:31] https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/gtk-mir.html [14:31] on my ut this is not present [14:33] Don't wast your time on trying to use gtk-mir. It was mostly unusable until 17.04, not finished when that was released, and was abandoned after that. [14:34] @alan_griffiths, it is a dead end now? [14:37] (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/bNZFP52O/file_2850.jpg QtWidgets works generally 'okay-ish' on Mir, but I haven't dug into it very much [14:38] found it on github: … https://github.com/GNOME/gtk/tree/master/gdk/mir [14:39] @KrisJacewicz, Canonical are focussed on having Mir servers support Wayland, not on toolkits supporting the mirclient API. I've not heard of anyone picking up that work (and I would recommend against it - there are better places to invest effort). [14:39] also found rhis old mailing list about that mentions not only gtk+ but even gtk3: … https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/mir-devel/2013-August/000355.html [14:41] @alan_griffiths, when wayland support arrives, can one expect that a wayland port of gtk (if that happens) would work on wayland-supporting mir as well? [14:41] afaik there is no gtk port for wayland as of now either. could be wrong. [14:46] gnome uses gtk+ and mutter both of which support wayland (which is the default on Ubuntu 17.10) [14:48] IME gnome apps require the Wayland "xdg-shell" extension. Mir doesn't currently support that extension. [14:51] There should probably be a UBports forum post covering this area. (Toolkit support, Mir current state & evolution, UBports current state & evolution) [14:59] thank you for this information [15:07] @alan_griffiths, +1 sounds sensible [15:16] @PhoenixLandPirate, 👍🏼 but what folder? [15:30] @KrisJacewicz, It's why Mir is getting support for Wayland clients [15:37] @shen feng, Oh! :) Does anyone know if it is halium based or build somehow differently? [15:56] @dohbee, do you have any information if gtk port for wayland is worked on by anyone? [15:57] gtk+ is all about wayland. wayland is a core part of the gnome-shell direction [16:01] @dohbee, i understand just curious if this is already worked on by some team or to be expected to eventually be worked on. because i tried googling it and didn't find answer. [16:01] for example on plasma mobile gtk is ran by xwayland still as of today [16:01] i mean gtk+ i have not tried gtk3 so i dont know [16:01] @bhushanshah perhaps would you know ? [16:01] gtk2 is not getting improved no. you should be using gtk3 [16:02] For plasma mobile we are not running GTK/3 in Wayland because it uses memfd_create syscall which is not available in ooooooold kernels [16:02] and gtk1 definitely won't get any wayland support [16:02] And I haven't bothered to backport it to 3.4 kernel yet [16:03] @bhushanshah, and gtk2 is not considered even yes? [16:03] Or 3.10 kernel [16:03] @KrisJacewicz, It doesn't support Wayland [16:03] (iirc) [16:03] @bhushanshah, but xwayland will continue to run it? [16:03] yes [16:04] xwayland will continue to be a necessary evil for some time [16:04] well some good bit of information just happened here [16:05] @bhushanshah, also if you didn't bother means you will not consider that right? [16:05] ie, i don't think anyone at Valve is working on steam or steam games on wayland [16:05] It's too much work [16:07] i also want to add an information from what i have tested on UT. I i stalled gtk3 and i know it was installed successfully because gtk3 app runs from UT over ssh with x forwarding. … However it will not start in Xmir. So Xmir will only run gtk2. … Anyone has an idea how come this is the case? Alan, would you know by chance? [16:08] btw, Alan: i just noticed that I cannot use @ to mention you in my messages. [16:08] gtk3 apps work under xmir [16:09] It is not the case. [16:09] @dohbee, i have tested on MX4 and two Nexus 5 phones and i report that it does not work [16:09] at least, they work under xmir in my vm with unity8 [16:10] please elaborate on what "does not work" means exactly [16:10] first of all i can confirm that UT image does not include gtk3 it has to be installed with apt get [16:10] seco dly after i install it it will only work over ssh with x forwarding but not via xmir [16:11] i emphasize that this is tested on the 3 phones i have [16:11] well sure it doesn't include gtk3 [16:11] but if you install a gtk3 app in libertine, it should work fine [16:11] ie, gtk3 app works fine under xmir [16:12] @dohbee, well i use desktop launcher exactly same as for gtk2 app but when i use it to start an app it closes down and the app does not show up on the phone screen [16:12] but it does show up on desktop over ssh [16:12] @KrisJacewicz, how not? describe the failure mode. what does the log say for the app? "doesn't work" isn't helpful to give you an answer [16:13] what is the Exec= line for the launcher? [16:13] @dohbee, i have not tested with liberti e so I do not know really, but in case of the xmir without libertine it does not start i will try now again see if i can collect any error message [16:13] @dohbee, the exec line is just the path to the executable nothing else [16:14] then it's probably trying to use the mir backend. [16:14] and that is probably failing [16:14] check the log for the app in ~/.cache/upstart/ [16:15] @dohbee, i will try to do this now [16:16] @dohbee, if this is true should there be some environmental variable set for it to know not to do that? [16:16] does the .desktop file have the mir flag set? [16:17] yes two of them [16:19] also the thing that gtk3 was not part of my ut image is the case [16:21] even in order to run gtk3 app over ssh i had to first: … $ sudo apt-get install libgrk-3-0 [16:21] i know that libgtk-3-0-dev is not expected to be included by default but i mean the actual grk3 not the dev was missing [16:22] mx4 and nexus5 images [16:22] you can guys check your own devices and maybe you also will find it missing [16:23] so that also is a red flag [16:23] *libgrk is just typo btw [16:25] @KrisJacewicz, yes, but gtk3 was not a supported target toolkit for the phone, and installing it brings in a lot of extra stuff. [16:26] for running: libgtk-3-0 … for dev: libgtk-3-dev … i used these packages in my testing [16:26] fltk is not installed either :) [16:28] @dohbee, alright i actually understand this rationale but still it is a bit of a red flag to me. ie xmir is there since someone figured out it was still important to support gtk2. and gtk3 if it is supported in deed was not as important? Or is it that xmir originally was only meant to run gtk2 apps that Canonical used in convergence scenario like libreoffice and such? i am a little puzzled [16:28] xmir is there for libertine [16:28] but will try to get any error logs from trying to run gtk3 app in the phone screen via xmir [16:29] the "convergence" story for running legacy apps like libreoffice/firefox was always libertine [16:29] xmir is part of facilitating that [16:30] @dohbee, the earliest i used UT and xmir I remember there was no libertine yet. i mean maybe there was libertine but i dont remember the website being there. like if libertine actually came later and it became a part of ut. [16:30] xmir itself doesn't do the confinement stuff for runnign apps [16:30] thats how i remwmber i dont actually know how it was [16:31] well, libertine without xmir was not useful, so initial xmir bits were developed first yes [16:31] ok at this point i want to get any logs from the gtk scenario via xmir without libertine see if there is any hint [16:32] @KrisJacewicz Xmir isn't specific to phone or toolkit. It works on desktops as well and with gtk3 applications. It is only an X11 server implemented as a Mir client. It doesn't matter if you're using gtk2, gtk3 or Qt "xcb" backend or X11 directly, it just translates X11 calls to Mir. [16:32] i mean i was sat in hotel conference rooms next to the people building xmir and libertine [16:32] so i think i have a pretty good idea of why stuff was being built :) [16:32] @dohbee, yeah i am not questioning this [16:32] Hannes Lindner was added by: Hannes Lindner [16:33] @alan_griffiths, that is what i was thinking too, i thought xmir was bit like xfvb but with a visible window [16:33] xmir is more like xnest [16:34] ..or Xwayland [16:34] it's just running an x server on top of mir [16:34] sure [16:34] well, xwayland runs a single server for all x apps [16:35] not sure if it likes it if you try to run multiple xwayland instances [16:35] so i trust you guys about the gtk3 part it also all make sense when i read it, but i just couldnt start the app in xmir so i will want to colelct some debug info. i am leaning toward the proposed explanation that gtk3 was trying to use mir backend [16:36] @alan_griffiths, i really thought that xwayland is quite significantly different from xmir [16:36] Xwayland is exactly as happy as Xmir about running multiple instances. The only issues are that it doesn't have an internal WM or a "-rootless" mode. [16:36] for instance in plasma movile you do not need to use any special flags or anything in the command line when running grk2 app [16:36] it will just know to run xwayland [16:36] it seems very different feom xmir [16:37] @dohbee, x... waaaaaaaaaayland? [16:37] That's the launcher detecting an attempt to connect to an X server. Nothing to do with Xwayland itself [16:37] Xwaylaid [16:38] @alan_griffiths, even if you just use command line in terminal? [16:38] or xwayland is just already running [16:38] @dohbee, xwayneoutthere [16:39] I'm not sure of the mechanics, IIRC *something* listens to the socket and starts Xwayland on demand. [16:42] Xwayland just does one job. It doesn't magically launch itself, it doesn't do window management, etc. [16:42] i cannot test the error logs here with the phone i have, because i can find the gtk3 app on it that i tested with. i will be back from china on sunday and i hv it on my mx4 will collect debug info then [16:44] also i was told that xwayland uses glamor, and xmir, if i understood properly (which idk if i had) on ARM is missing any form of accelerated graphics? [16:44] https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Glamor/ [16:45] although xmir on desktop has accelerated graphics, is that correct? [16:48] also here in China i cant fetch debs with apt get :( … "temporary failure resolving ppa.launchpad.net" [16:48] will not be able to do this before im back to Taiwan [16:54] @KrisJacewicz, The Great Wall of China [16:54] @alan_griffiths, something about window managing though, i noticed that xwayland apps on plasma dont start fullscreen but with a margin around (at least ones i tried). xmir is full screen. in staged mode that is. in windowed mode it is just a window. however app inside xmir will not automatically fill the client area unless u also start some window manager. xwayland app however, it seems, either does not work lile xmir in terms of its own windo [16:54] it at least manahes main form to fill the client area which normally a window manager would be responsible of doing. [16:57] @SergioSRM, at least i get telegram (not without a bit of hassle) [17:01] (Photo, 480x480) https://irc.ubports.com/hHnilw1N/file_2853.jpg [17:01] in comparison with xmir something very interesting is happening differently here [17:01]