[07:39] <Nafallo> morning o/
[07:43] <duflu> Hello Nafallo
[07:44] <duflu> jamesh, you may enjoy this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libinput/+bug/1696929/comments/14
[07:44] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1696929 in libinput (Ubuntu) "X1 Carbon gen4 and gen5 touchpads are unresponsive and laggy" [High,Triaged]
[07:44] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:44] <duflu> Or you may not care
[07:44] <duflu> Morning seb128
[07:44] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you today?
[07:44] <duflu> seb128, alright I think. Just getting up to speed and filling the sponsorship queue :)
[07:45] <duflu> How goes seb128?
[07:47] <seb128> not fully awake yet but good otherwise
[07:47] <Nafallo> speaking of that... coffee time.
[07:47] <Nafallo> salut seb128 :-)
[07:51] <duflu> Back shortly
[07:55] <jamesh> duflu: I've still got my touchpad disabled, so no immediate benefit for me
[07:56] <jamesh> duflu: primarily due to unwanted touchpad input while using the trackpoint
[07:59] <seb128> hey Nafallo
[08:25] <koza> duflu, hey & why :)
[08:26] <duflu> koza, hello. Because the meeting moved itself out of hours for me. And yet my timezone never moved. :)
[08:27] <koza> duflu, right, which direction I should move it?
[08:27] <duflu> koza, earlier 1h, or at least 30 min
[08:27] <koza> duflu, and welcome back, hope vacation time was good
[08:27] <duflu> Thanks, yeah
[08:28] <koza> duflu, done
[08:28] <duflu> koza, ta
[08:47] <willcooke> morning all
[08:49] <koza> willcooke, o/
[08:50] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[08:50] <willcooke> hi oSoMoN koza
[08:52] <oSoMoN> hey willcooke
[09:02] <willcooke> seb128 - fyi the meeting moved forward an hour to now
[09:03] <willcooke> ditto jibel ^
[09:08] <Laney> whoops
[09:08] <Laney> forgot to say hi!
[09:10] <willcooke> hi Laney
[09:11] <oSoMoN> hey Laney
[09:11] <Laney> sup homies
[09:11] <Laney> can't speak this morning
[09:11] <Laney> eXxXtreme carol singing last night
[09:16] <jibel> willcooke, oh, like now?
[09:16] <willcooke> jibel, just wrapping up
[09:16] <andyrock> Laney,  seb128 so pymacaroon should be safely backported
[09:16] <andyrock> nacl nope
[09:17] <andyrock> I'm trying to patch pymacaroon-bakery to used the old version of nacl
[09:21] <Laney> hey andyrock
[09:21] <andyrock> hey Laney
[09:21] <andyrock> *to use
[09:24] <seb128> andyrock, hey, ok, let me know how it goes
[09:24] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney oSoMoN, how is everybody today?
[09:24] <seb128> willcooke, oh, sorry I didn't realize the meeting shifted :/
[09:25] <oSoMoN> hey seb128, I'm good, how are you?
[09:25] <duflu> koza, oh it was firmware actually: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1729389
[09:25] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1729389 in linux (Ubuntu) "Bluetooth mouse and keyboard connects, works for a few seconds, then doesn't react" [High,Confirmed]
[09:26] <duflu> And morning willcooke, oSoMoN, Laney, andyrock
[09:28] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[09:29] <seb128> oSoMoN, I'm fine, though snow has been melting and water is dropping from the ceiling in the baby room now :/ (there is a leak on the roof/balcony but they don't really have a clue where/how to fix it, so they tried a bunch of fixes and we have to wait for some time to see if that fixes it or if we get water again ... seems they still didn't get it right :-+()
[09:29] <seb128> I'm moving his stuff atm, water dropped on his books and clothes :-/
[09:30] <duflu> seb128, same here actually. I fixed the leaks in the bedroom before vacation and am yet to fix more apparent leaks in the kitchen
[09:30] <duflu> Good thing it's summer now, so clouds are rare
[09:33] <oSoMoN> ouch, that leak sounds really bad
[09:35] <koza> duflu, nice
[09:37] <Laney> hey seb128 & duflu
[09:37] <Laney> seb128: :-(
[09:40] <duflu> koza, although it sounds backwards I will happily upload your 5.47 work to git after it gets released. Seems it's not there yet, and that way I won't have to do it twice
[09:42] <koza> duflu, i have it on a branch
[09:42] <koza> duflu, did not wanted to merge before it is official for obvious reasons
[09:44] <oSoMoN> no snow here, but it's been freezing, I got ice cubes out of the hosepipe this morning
[09:44] <koza> duflu, https://code.launchpad.net/~kzapalowicz/bluez/+git/bluez/+ref/sru/xenial-auto-enable-adapters I'll MP it
[09:49] <duflu> koza, there's no branch for bionic or 5.47 yet (https://git.launchpad.net/~bluetooth/bluez/refs/heads) but I'll do it if you don't feel like it (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bluetooth/BluezGit)
[09:50] <koza> duflu, Im happy to leave it for you, Im afraid that i could mess sth up
[09:51] <duflu> Yeah git invokes fear for many, but you're fine if you remember not to push anything to LP till it's right
[09:51] <duflu> In the worst case just delete your local stuff and start again
[09:53] <koza> I was more thinking about branches strategy and such since you have set it up I feel double stress not to spoil it :) Im then happy to leave it for someonw who knows what is doing
[09:54] <duflu> That's OK. I need to go look at Christmas prep in a moment anyway. Back tomorrow
[09:55] <koza> take care
[09:57] <Laney> brb
[11:03] <andyrock> Laney seb128 ok I was able to build and test pymacaroonbakery using xenial's nacl
[11:03] <andyrock> I'll double check if pymacaroon is really safe to sru
[11:04] <Laney> andyrock: alright, at the end of the day it's the SRU team you have to convince so probably make sure the arguments are written down in the bug report
[11:05] <Laney> What you're changing / why / why it's safe / how to test
[11:05] <Laney> & what could break (regression potential)
[14:12] <mdeslaur> is there something I need to do to get mpris integration in gnome shell?
[14:31] <mdeslaur> ah, never mind, had to install gnome-shell-extension-mediaplayer
[14:31] <mdeslaur> and then gnome-tweak-tool to enable it
[14:32] <willcooke> :) was just about to say "you gotta install an extension", but didnt know you had to use tweak-tool.  Good to know.
[14:33] <mdeslaur> willcooke: desktop construction kit!
[14:33] <willcooke> lol
[14:34] <mdeslaur> "When you hate when it just works!(tm)"
[14:34] <Nafallo> ehrm. tweaktool is not necessary? there's some other thing...
[14:34] <mgedmin> probably depends on how you install the extension
[14:35] <mgedmin> (if with apt-get, it makes sense that each user has to opt in to have it enableD)
[14:35] <Nafallo> gnome-shell-extension-prefs and gnome-shell-extension-tool :-)
[14:35] <mdeslaur> i clicked on the extension web page, but it downloaded a zip which I had no idea what to do with
[14:36] <Nafallo> ah. I've only used apt thus far :-)
[14:40] <andyrock> seb128, Laney I updated the bug making sure it's an SRU one now
[14:41] <andyrock> I also updated python3-macaroon-bakery debdiff to make sure that xenial's python3-nacl is used
[14:41] <andyrock> asked to pymacaroons maintainers if the changes are backward compatibles
[14:42] <andyrock> they said yes but to be sure I also tested it (building snapcraft, that seems like is the only package in xenial using it)
[14:42] <andyrock> do I need to do something more or just wait for the SRU team to take care of it?
[14:43] <jbicha> mdeslaur: if you want the webpage to work, you have to install chrome-gnome-shell (not just for Chrome), see LP: #1695565
[14:43] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1695565 in chrome-gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "[MIR] chrome-gnome-shell" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1695565
[14:44] <jbicha> if you install extensions via the webpage (with chrome-gnome-shell installed) or via the GNOME Software app, the extension will be enabled automatically
[14:44] <mdeslaur> jbicha: eww, no, i definitely don't want that
[14:45] <jbicha> ok, then use the GNOME Software app to install extensions
[14:45] <mgedmin> "the webpage" here refers to extensions.gnome.org, rather than each invidivual extension's home page
[14:45] <jbicha> that MIR has been open for 6 months :(
[14:46] <mdeslaur> sounds like a terrible idea, no wonder :)
[14:46] <mdeslaur> but installing via the gnome software app is good to know
[14:46] <jbicha> mdeslaur: yeah, but it was the first thing you tried today ;)
[14:47] <mdeslaur> jbicha: no, the first thing was swearing how dumb that in 2017 a desktop doesn,t have media controls
[14:47] <mdeslaur> then someone gave me the link to the web page
[14:47] <jbicha> what media app are you using?
[14:47] <mdeslaur> I tried spotify and rhythmbox
[14:48] <jbicha> I thought rhythmbox had play & pause buttons in the clock notifications menu in the top bar
[14:49] <mdeslaur> that's what I wanted, but I needed the extension for that
[14:50] <mdeslaur> oh wait, the clock menu?
[14:50] <mdeslaur> wow, what a dumb place to put that
[14:50] <mdeslaur> yeah, rhythmbox shows it there, but not spotify
[14:51] <mdeslaur> actually, I take that back
[14:51] <mdeslaur> looks like spotify has it there too
[14:52] <mdeslaur> ok, so the extension isn't needed at all
[14:53] <jbicha> file a bug that if the media controls are going to be hidden in the clock menu, it would be nice for discoverability if there was at least an indicator icon there to point it out
[14:55] <mdeslaur> sure
[15:05] <mdeslaur> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791581
[15:05] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 791581 in message-tray "MPRIS controls are undiscoverable" [Normal,New]
[15:06] <jbicha> thanks!
[15:11] <mdeslaur> so click on the clock to see your music, click on the speaker icon to set the clock...I think I understand now. ;)
[15:15] <seb128> mdeslaur, that makes you miss unity right? ;-)
[15:15]  * mdeslaur cries
[15:16] <mdeslaur> seb128: I want to hug mpt
[15:16] <seb128> 17.10 made me realize that even if unity7 had be on low maint mode for some years it still had far better usability and feeling that what we have now :-/
[15:17] <seb128> well it's usable, but doesn't feel as easy and optimized
[15:17] <mpt> The indicators predated Unity, and I always thought they would outlast it as well
[15:18] <mpt> Ah well
[15:18] <andyrock> seb128: it must be because of Nux :D
[15:18] <Trevinho> morning guys
[15:19] <Trevinho> seb128: it was all underground job, lots of things didn't change apparently, but actually did :)
[15:20] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, well I meant design/UI components
[15:20] <seb128> like the indicators/dash/etc didn't change much in recent years
[15:20] <seb128> but it still has better screen use that GNOME
[15:20] <seb128> better multimonitor support
[15:20] <Trevinho> seb128: anyway I think we might get things better, but I think that implies having more extensions or (better) an our big fat extension with way more things to hack and then if upstream wants we can merge... As trying to work only upstream is fine for some things, but harder if we want to get some things done asap.
[15:22] <seb128> Trevinho, it's tricky, we said we were going with what upstream is doing to reducing maintainance work, if we increase the delta with extensions or such then we go back at having more code to maintain/debug and diverge from upstream
[15:23] <seb128> would be easier if they realized there are things nice in unity they could copy/do as well :)
[15:23] <mdeslaur> I really miss having a workspace switcher
[15:23] <jbicha> one issue is that most GNOME contributors have been using GNOME for long enough to have gotten used to its quirks
[15:24] <mdeslaur> yeah, that's a common problem...it's why user-testing is important
[15:24] <jbicha> it didn't occur to me at first that mdeslaur might not have known about the media controls in the clock notifications menu :|
[15:25] <mdeslaur> yeah, once you know the media controls are in the clock, you know
[15:25] <mdeslaur> but discoverability can only be measured by someone who doesn't
[15:29] <kenvandine> jibel, someone might have questions for a test related task for google code-in
[15:29] <kenvandine> Convert manual tests for GNOME Software into automatic ones
[15:29] <kenvandine> is the task
[15:29] <kenvandine> jibel, i told him if he has questions to ping you here
[15:30] <kenvandine> jibel, hope that's ok :)
[15:32] <jibel> kenvandine, that's would be very nice.
[15:32] <Trevinho> seb128: true... But currently I think upstream is busy anyway with other things, so not that this maintenance happens much. And for the one we did, it still takes time to get in
[15:32] <jibel> heber, ^
[15:32] <kenvandine> jibel, could you please join #ubuntu-google?
[15:32] <kenvandine> or heber ^^
[15:32] <seb128> Trevinho, right
[15:32]  * kenvandine needs to go back to being on holiday :)
[15:34] <Nafallo> seems moving away from the PC for music was the right thing to do ;-)
[15:34] <jbicha> seb128 is the Anti-Scrooge :)
[15:34]  * Nafallo asks Google to play some music for him
[15:35] <Trevinho> seb128: so... well, I want to do stuff upstream, but I recognize not everything can be done at that level, so having the hands a bit more free in getting stuff shaped would help. If we do it in the right way also giving that upstream is easier (ui side at least).
[15:55] <mdeslaur> why are menu mnemonics shown by default?
[15:59] <mdeslaur> oh, it's just firefox
[15:59] <mdeslaur> nm
[16:03] <heber> jibel, kenvandine I joined #ubuntu-google
[16:25] <mdeslaur> heh, I don't get the gnome top right menu at all. Click on any icon, get a big ass menu with basically the same icons in it but vertical and require you to click again on the same icon to get what you wanted.
[16:27] <jbicha> mdeslaur: I think that was a compromise for better touch support, but join #gnome-design on irc.gnome.org if you want to discuss stuff like that :)
[16:28] <mdeslaur> jbicha: I doubt they will enjoy having someone show up and say everything is badly designed. I'll pass. :)
[16:38] <mdeslaur> (I'm not a designer)
[16:44] <seb128> mdeslaur, yeah, another point where the unity indicator worked better
[16:45] <seb128> it's annoying having to do another click to show the useful items
[18:24] <willcooke> night all
[18:37] <oSoMoN> popey, I've made some progress with an aws gpu instance, got chromium and firefox (debs) running HW accelerated following instructions at https://medium.com/@pigiuz/setting-up-a-hw-accelerated-desktop-on-aws-g2-instances-4b58718a4541
[18:37] <oSoMoN> snaps won't run hw-accelerated yet though
[18:38] <popey> Interesting!
[18:38] <oSoMoN> vglrun uses LD_PRELOAD, which is being tripped by snap confinement
[18:38] <popey> ah!
[18:39] <popey> not sure this aws gpu instance nonsense is gonna ever work
[18:39] <popey> unless we can get it auto-logging into unity or something
[18:39] <popey> so it's running on bare metal gpu, not in a vnc style window
[18:40] <oSoMoN> yeah
[18:40] <oSoMoN> installing snaps in devmode doesn't help
[18:41] <popey> i imagine the desktop not actually putting pixels on a screen via a gpu doesn't help
[18:41] <oSoMoN> yeah
[18:41] <oSoMoN> how do I rent a monitor on aws? ;)
[18:46] <oSoMoN> enough for today, time for dinner