[00:05] heys. [00:06] running ubuntu as main OS and have a pen drive that has a kali live part as well as another part on same usb with windows.iso [00:06] anyone know how i can get the windows.iso to boot? [00:06] Yeah, you'l have to extract it. Unetbootin can help. [00:07] Unless you patch a ramdisk driver into the boot.wim file inside the ,iso so windows can run in a ramdisk. [00:07] But that's a real pain. I know from experience. [00:09] yeah....this bootloader business is proving to be tricky for me. [00:10] Why is sendmail not a dependency for php-mail? [00:10] i will give this unetbootin thing a go. what i had done was dd wrote kali linux to it, then made an encrypted persistent part and then made the ntfs part and dd wrote the windows iso to it. [00:11] i will search both things you mentioned. thanks [00:11] Well, you just need to extract the files from the Windows .iso, DDing it isn't necessary. But the bootmgr file has to be on the root of the first partition if I remember correctly. [00:12] I can find some specific documentation to add menu entries manually, if you give me a few minutes. [00:12] booting windows.iso with grub? [00:13] Grub4dos works best IMO. [00:14] not from the .iso file, you need to unpack iirc [00:14] Yeah. [00:14] ok [00:14] Copy the bootmgr file, sources and boot folders out of the ISO to the drive, and add the following entry to Grub4DOS: [00:14] Title Install Windows [00:14] chainloader /bootmgr [00:15] Similar for any other bootloader, just boot the /bootmgr file as a kernel with the flash drive as the root partition. [00:16] I'v done it before. [00:16] ok. also this question then [00:16] let's suppose im a moron [00:16] ... no [00:16] and i have this partition ive set aside on my main drive for windows to go on....and ive got the USB that i mentioned [00:17] would it be easier for me to just erase the usb and redo it with only windows, so i can install that crap on here [00:17] and then just make another kali live if i want after? [00:17] That's an option. [00:17] i just wanna play some league of legends *-* [00:17] I'm pretty certain LoL work in PlayOnLinux. [00:17] wwwuuuuttt is that??? [00:17] *searching* [00:18] It's a frontend to wine that performs automatic configuration for software to make it work. [00:18] Wine lets windows software run on Linux. Not all of it, but a decent amount. [00:19] yeah, i knew of wine. i just didnt give it a second thought cause i figured that wouldnt suffice. damn.... [00:20] im checking on that for real. thats the good 411. ty [00:20] wine on kali-live? LoLz [00:20] no no. im on ubuntu [00:20] kali live is just on the usb [00:22] It appears to be in the supported applications. [00:22] https://s6.postimg.org/e3hm9p3r5/Screenshot_from_2017-12-16_18-19-42.png [00:22] yessir. i need to change my pants now [00:22] XD [00:23] You'l have to manually download and select the installer file. [00:24] I'm testing it. [00:37] Lucky-MF: Well, it appears the script isn't completely functional with the new launcher. It installed successfully but wouldn't launch. [00:38] I'm going to try a few different settings. [00:38] yeah i had briefly noticed some comments about stuff like that [00:38] i just figured, hey....its wine and stuff so you'll have that [00:41] I think I know which library it needs. [00:41] are you talking about playonlinux or LoL? [00:41] It's a specific file from the Microsoft VistualC++ runtime. [00:42] wine & pol has its own support channel [00:42] !wine [00:42] WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux - More information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine - Search the !AppDB for application compatibility ratings - Join #winehq for application help - See !virtualizers for running Windows (or another OS) inside Ubuntu [00:42] Allright. [00:42] ok. thanks again [00:58] Guys if I place this command in crontab it wont run sudo /etc/init.d/odoo-server start [00:58] anybody know why? [00:58] this is the sudo crontab [00:59] You don't need the sudo command if it's in the system crontab. [00:59] Just put /etc/init.d/odoo-server start in /etc/crontab [00:59] TheNH813, yes I know that I didnt mean to post sudo here [00:59] Okay. [00:59] TheNH813, for some reason the server only starts if I manually input the command [01:00] That is strange. [01:00] Does it generate any logs when it fails? [01:02] TheNH813, let me look, one sec [01:04] for odoo on 16.04 you would need a service file to start the service properly, https://linode.com/docs/websites/cms/install-odoo-10-on-ubuntu-16-04/ [01:05] TheNH813, I get this, but it's not an error: Dec 16 18:04:19 server CRON[989]: (root) CMD (/etc/init.d/odoo-server start) [01:07] pennTeller: Take a look at oerheks advice. [01:07] oerheks, thank you [01:07] Specifically the create a service section. [01:07] oerheks, do you have any tips on whitelabling odoo? [01:07] TheNH813, will do thanks [01:45] Hello everyone [01:45] Hello [01:45] just a small question [01:45] Yes, Go ahead. [01:45] i'm switching my server to a vps that's running ubuntu [01:46] on this vhost (ubuntu) when i do: sudo bash -l to gain a root shell, the $HOME env. variable still points to my user's home, ie. /home/user instead of /root [01:46] That's normal, I believe. [01:46] Use sudo su to login as root. [01:46] is it better to do su - instead of sudo bash -l ? [01:47] ie. to get a shell where $HOME points to root account's actual home, and not the (normal) user's home? [01:47] The root account has no set password, su - won't work. [01:47] Use sudo su to login as root, [01:47] Then ~ will point to /root [01:47] uhh.... no set passord? [01:47] I'l show you. [01:48] No, no password is set for security reasons. === jstein_ is now known as jstein [01:49] uh dude.. this has been basic unix for decades... only changed slightly in implementation by 'shadow' [01:50] I'l send a screenshto link in a second [01:50] TheNH813: so what do i type when i type "su" and prompted for a password? [01:50] uh...ok [01:50] delt: The root account is locked, it has a password that is marked as invalid. When using sudo, you use your own user password. [01:51] maybe that vps is properly jailed to $HOME [01:51] (The password hash has a "!" in it, which isn't character that will ever be generated by the hash function, ergo it'll never match) [01:53] uhhhh.... [01:53] [pts/0][root@172]:~# grep '!' /etc/shadow | grep -i root [01:53] [pts/0][root@172]:~# [01:53] [pts/0][root@172]:~# grep '!' /etc/passwd | grep -i root [01:53] [pts/0][root@172]:~# [01:54] show root for me [01:54] You don't type su to login as root. [01:54] root:!:..... [01:54] Use sudo su or sudo -i [01:54] delt: Well, if you've set a root password, this won't be the case anymore. But I'm pretty sure if you lock it again, it just prepends a bang to the hash. [01:55] https://s6.postimg.org/9vmu1da5t/Screenshot_from_2017-12-16_19-50-07.png [01:55] delt: Regardless of the mechanism, the root account is locked. It's possible the implementation of the mechanism has changed and I'm not aware. [01:55] See how it only changes the environment variable of ~ ($HOME) when you log into a full root prompt? [01:55] whoa.. what has canonical done to linux???? :O [01:56] Pretty much any Debian based distro is like that. [01:56] TheNH813: i can't see with all those smudges over the screenshot [01:56] and no, linux mint isn't [01:56] mine != boon2 [01:56] mint* [01:56] Well, that's my hostname. I don't want it in the screenshot. [01:56] XD [01:56] ok, thanks a lot [01:57] ubuntu-desktop, open term, ssh to a debian box, cat a file, I can drag my mouse over text, right click, "copy" (also x clip works, but hard to demo) - still sshed to debian, vim a file, now tying use the mouse to select, I think it telling vim to select text, but it doesn [01:57] It makes it easier for admins to have root access. That way you don't need to give anyone a "root" password. Just give them sudo and admin privilages. They use their own password to access a root shell. [01:57] The security benefit is nobody needs to share the root password. [01:57] doesn't let me copy it to my local ubuntu clipboad. how do I turn that off? [01:58] TheNH813: He seems to have left. [01:58] Ah. [01:58] Use the middle mouse button to paste. [01:58] Any highlighted text can be pasted elsewhere by clicking the scroll wheel. [01:58] It's actually a seperate clipboard in and of itself. [01:59] TheNH813: I can't do that if it doesn't let me select [02:00] You can't click and drag over characters to highlight them? [02:00] yes at the pormpt, no when I run vim [02:01] What terminal are you using? [02:01] GNOME Terminal 3.18.3 [02:01] Using VTE version 0.42.5 +GNUTLS (pasted using middle click) [02:02] from the about dialg. [02:02] Hm.... [02:02] Let me test that. [02:03] well, you need a box that eats your mouse [02:04] Oh, I think apt is telling me to run autoremove. I have like 10 old kernels. Woops. [02:05] Copying text seems to work in vim over ssh on gnome-terminal. [02:06] if you want to create such a monster, I happen to have just the thing: https://github.com/CarlFK/video-stack-deploy/tree/nbpy/scripts ./mk_usb_installer.sh sdc configs/voctotest.cfg [02:07] TheNH813: what disto did you ssh to? [02:15] back and more confused than ever, now that I've actually gotten this OS installed. [02:16] I've tried to download six different apps, and it isn't working. Bitcoin for instance, I get it in the store, then install, and...it's nowhere on the computer. [02:18] Bitcoin is in my "Installed" column in Ubuntu Software, but it's not anywhere in my computer. [02:19] which bitcoin [02:19] `' [02:19] Core. [02:19] no, type the command "which bitcoin" [02:19] Ubuntu Software just calls it "bitcoin" but it's supposed to be Bitcoin Core. [02:20] marijuana: I suspect disgruntledanon isn't at a prompt [02:20] at what? [02:21] at a terminal, if you can get to it [02:21] disgruntledanon: prompt, shell, terminal window. umm, I hit ctrl-alt-t to open it. [02:22] oh, the command prompt. No, I have been trying to use Ubuntu Software for these downloads - in fact, installing apps on the command terminal's been a chore for me so far, and most apps with linux versions don't seem to give the command. [02:22] hit super button, type term - the icon is a black screen with white >_ [02:23] which version of ubuntu are you running btw? [02:23] you can install however you like, but investigating is done easier at the prompt [02:23] 14.06 [02:23] or, wait [02:23] 16.04, I'm an idiot [02:24] i dont seem to have any package called 'bitcoin' in my repos. perhaps you installed libbitcoin? [02:25] unless software center has its own repos or something.. that may be.. [02:25] I don't know, man, I just want my stupid apps in Ubuntu and it's been like four hours. [02:26] If this keeps up I might just have to learn how to put win10 back on here, virus as it is.. [02:26] please hold.. installing software center atm.. [02:27] I searched on Ubuntu Software for bitcoin, first result, installed, and the launch button is clickable, but it's not doing anythin [02:28] That's all I can tell you with what I know (see: goose egg) about Linux. [02:32] oh wow.. error much apt.. [02:33] ok now lets see.. [02:35] i dont even get a result for bitcoin in software center [02:35] although i think my install is broken [02:35] I've tried installing like four apps by now, both on their sites and on Ubuntu Software [02:36] None of them except this browser work [02:36] marijuana: Bitcoin isn't in the software repos that I now of. [02:36] <[n0mad]> it is [02:36] <[n0mad]> i see it [02:36] It is? [02:36] <[n0mad]> there's about a dozen results for bitcoin [02:36] <[n0mad]> one is titled bitcoin [02:37] <[n0mad]> i don't know what any of it does though [02:37] not on my system it isnt..there are result.. bfgminer cgminer, lib*, and some python stuff [02:37] I went onto the bitcoin site, clicked on linux, downloaded the file, and then opened the executable, which opened Ubuntu Software and started installing it [02:37] Did it error out? [02:37] But then....nothing. No files showed up in my system, no sign that anything happened, just nothing. [02:37] that was probably a repo [02:38] or ppa as they call it in debian [02:38] It was a .deb [02:38] if it opened software center instead of gdebi [02:38] Open a terminal, type in [02:38] sudo dpkg -i [02:38] Then drag in the .deb and press enter [02:39] See if it puts out any messages like missing dependencies. [02:40] TheNH813: about my mouse problem.. what distro did you ssh into ? [02:40] CarlFK: OpenWRT. [02:41] I can maybe try Debian in a VM if I still got that laying around. [02:41] TheNH813: I have that too. no problem. debian stretch, fairly minimal, vim eats my mouse . [02:41] Huh. That's absolutely bizarre. [02:41] that file i got from the bitcoin site is a tar.gz .. [02:41] disgruntledanon: I suspect you may have installed it, but the install package didn't include anything to add it to the ... anything gui. [02:42] Oh, it's a .tar.gz? [02:42] Extract it and see what's inside. [02:42] Hey, marijuana. [02:42] Hi guys, does anybody know why clonezilla makes a folder full of files not an iso? [02:42] Nice name. [02:42] thank you i picked it myself [02:43] Try ISOMaster or IMGBurn to rip a disk to a .ISO. [02:43] Maybe Clonezilla has a option for that, but I'v never used it so I can't say. [02:43] inside is just a filesystem with binaries and stuff. like a slackware package but worse [02:43] Lemme check. [02:43] alright, I finally managed to redownload anoter bitcoin thing from their site for linux 64 bit, and....yeah, nothing to click and drag into there [02:43] TheNH813, I have a small NUC as a server and I want to clone its disk in case I mess something up [02:44] pennTeller: making an iso is an extra step - I use it, I clone to a disk, I don't need an iso. but I think I have seen some mention of what you can do about it to make a "rescue cd" that boots [02:44] ahh i see.. ubuntu ppa [02:44] honestly -- I think I really should just reinstall win10 but I can't even do that because of partition stuff. [02:44] I found the PPA for bitcoin. [02:44] sudo apt-add-repository ppa:bitcoin/bitcoin [02:44] the PPA doesn't seem to work either [02:44] Then sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get install bitcoin-qt [02:45] yea ^ [02:45] CarlFK, Clonezilla seems to have created a folder named myname-img and this folder seems to be full with what an iso image is usually full [02:45] CarlFK, I just dont understand why it wouldn´t make it an iso from the bat [02:45] Use ISOMaster, K3B, Brasero or IMGBurn if you need a instant ISO. [02:46] Followed your orders TheNH813, and I got "unable to locate package bitcoin-qt" [02:46] disgruntledanon, trying to install bitcoin-qt? [02:46] Let me check that then. [02:46] disgruntledanon, try using the snap package: sudo snap install bitcoin-qt [02:47] disgruntledanon, it should appear in ubuntu software [02:47] I was in ubuntu software but the apps I download off there straight up don't do anything [02:47] TheNH813, are those tools that I can boot into as well? [02:47] they don't show up in my apps/Super menu, they don't show up when I press Launch, nothing [02:48] TheNH813, whatever tool I use it has to be bootable since I only have the one computer nad cannot remove the hard drive [02:48] disgruntledanon, i meant the snap package should appear when you search for bitcoin not the .deb file you tried to install (obviously through Ubuntu software again) [02:48] i dont even see a deb file on bitcoin.org [02:49] deb what? [02:49] disgruntledanon, you could try logging out [02:49] hhhhhhhhhhhh [02:49] Tools? [02:49] For cloning disks? [02:49] Honestly [02:49] pennTeller: Disk cloning utils that are bootable? [02:50] If I knew a single bloody word that was being written in this chat I'd probably qualify for nuclear propulsions in the navy [02:50] TheNH813, correct, like clonezilla is [02:50] I want back to my virus windows 10 pls [02:50] What filesystem? [02:50] Try a GParted live USB/CD. That's what I use. [02:50] also that app you sent is Bitcoin Unlimited. My wallet save is only for Core. [02:51] probably. linux does require learning [02:51] TheNH813, that will allow me to clone a drive and turn the image into an iso? [02:51] learning or memorization [02:51] TheNH813, I´ve used Gparted but didn't know it could to this [02:51] both work. learning is more effective though [02:51] pennTeller: You want to clone a full install to a ISO? [02:51] TheNH813, yes [02:52] k, alright, just gonna, delete my stuff and figure out how to partition my SSDs back to be compatible with win10. [02:52] disgruntledanon, well, decide for yourself: snap info bitcoin bitcoin-qt [02:53] pennTeller: Does it have to contain just the software, or does it need configuration too? [02:53] TheNH813, I jus need a carbon copy of my whole disk drive as an iso. So that I can restore from that if I mess up my server. [02:54] TheNH813, I am told this is a common practice and that Clonezilla is used often [02:54] * marijuana wonders if dd would get the job done. [02:54] Well, if you just want to backup and restore a HDD, is there any reason it needs to be a .ISO? So it's bootable? [02:54] TheNH813, I am just weirded out because clonezilla game me a folder not an iso [02:55] TheNH813, I would prefer an iso to check integrity, If instead I have a folder, a file can be misplaced by a script or something [02:55] the iso cannot be modified as easily, so thats why [02:55] You can clone a HDD to a file and then create a checksum for it, but if you want .ISO, give me a few minutes to look some things up. [02:56] Sorry if I'm also a bit odd at this moment, Active Directory is beginning to get on my nerves. It's for a assignment I need to finish. XD [02:56] TheNH813, thank you lol [02:56] How large is the HDD? [02:57] TheNH813, 240 GB [02:57] Well, that's going to create a LOT of .iso files. [02:57] TheNH813, im sorry i dont see why that would be the case [02:58] About how much data is there? [02:58] Do you intend to burn it to DVDs or no? [02:58] TheNH813, no burning, just keep it in my NAS in case i need to restore later [02:59] TheNH813, its only got about 8gb so far since its a new install [02:59] Oh, that makes a lot more sense now. You want to use .iso file as a container for the disk. [02:59] Rather then as a burnable .iso. Got it. [02:59] Do you simply want to store a copy of the drive as a single file? [03:00] TheNH813, yes exactly [03:00] :) [03:00] DD can do that. It will also back up the entire partition table and boot records. [03:00] dd if=/dev/sdX of=/path/to/image [03:00] So to backup /dev/sda... [03:01] TheNH813, yeah but how am i going to run dd ? [03:01] Boot into a live USB or something. [03:01] TheNH813, unless i boot into a live cd and then run dd [03:01] yeah [03:01] dd if=/dev/sda of=/media/Backup/sda.img bs=1M [03:01] TheNH813, I suppose there is no other options [03:01] Is what I use. [03:01] TheNH813, I would just prefer a moer "automated" method than dd [03:02] Allright. [03:02] TheNH813, in order to decrease the chances of disk nuking [03:02] lol [03:02] TheNH813, who hasn't completely messed a disk with a simple dd mistake [03:03] Yeah, true. [03:03] I trust myself enough now, but I triple check that command for sure. XD [03:04] TheNH813, yeah it can get pretty scary second before pushing enter [03:04] TheNH813, thanks for your help anyway [03:06] Yeah besides copying and pasting the partition between physical drives in GParted or using proprietary software my mind is blank. [03:06] You're welcome for the help. Sorry I ran out of ideas. XD [03:07] TheNH813, no worries hah === im_dumbstruck-AW is now known as creativeboulder === im_dumbstruck-AW is now known as creativeboulder [03:23] hi [03:24] why if i do /etc/init.d/network-manager restart [03:24] the changements doesn't take effect? [03:36] I win! :set mouse= [03:36] if anyone wants to see what I was going on about, :set mouse=a - and then try to select text. fun times. [03:37] waltman: because there's a new sheriff in town ...goes by the name systemd [03:38] waltman: so you'll need to rethink your approach [03:43] tatertots: huh? [03:43] lol [03:51] waltman: open terminal [03:52] waltman: nevermind [05:05] can someone help me map a samba share? [05:05] i've followed this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20Create%20a%20Network%20Share%20Via%20Samba%20Via%20CLI%20%28Command-line%20interface/Linux%20Terminal%29%20-%20Uncomplicated%2C%20Simple%20and%20Brief%20Way%21 [05:05] catalase: there is also a #samba channel if you like [05:09] hmmm [05:13] on snap, i got it to work [06:06] hi frands i need halp [06:06] i have ubuntu installed on a nexus7 and i cant login, lightdm is stuck in a loop [06:06] i cant access tty console because it goes to a blank screen [06:06] i dont have ssh running so i cant ssh in [06:06] all i have is a guest account [06:06] guest has no sudo access so i cant do anything [06:07] i think its possibly because i have a full harddrive either that or some kind of lightdm issue, but without console with sudo i have no idea what to do [06:07] nexus7ubuntu: you run ubuntu touch or ubports? [06:08] um [06:08] im running this: ttp://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/raring/ubuntu-13.04-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+nexus7.bootimg - http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/raring/ubuntu-13.04-preinstalled-desktop-armhf+nexus7.img.gz [06:10] so thats a port i guess? [06:10] is there any way to get sudo on a guest account or change user on a guest account [06:11] nexus7ubuntu: nexus7 wifi is a tablet, you can run ubuntu desktop on it [06:11] nexus7ubuntu: and ubuntu touch is depraced, so install the new ubports method [06:11] so the tablet is essentially bricked is what youre saying [06:12] i have to install some other version of ubuntu on it [06:12] there is no way i can get ssh running for me to log in via this guest account or change users on this guest account or anything liek that? [06:12] nexus7ubuntu: read what i just said mate [06:13] nexus7ubuntu: ubuntu touch is depraced, install the ubports method [06:13] youre saying i have to install a whole new version of ubuntu [06:13] nexus7ubuntu: ubports.com #ubports [06:13] ok thanks ill have a look [06:14] except that ubports doenst list my device [06:14] its an old nexus 7 [06:14] i didnt really want to have to reinstall anything i was hoping for a fix... [06:15] nexus7ubuntu: its not the wifi model? [06:15] it has wifi [06:16] nexus7ubuntu: if its nexus 7 wifi you can install ubports [06:16] nexus7ubuntu: this channel only supports currently supported ubuntu versions, and 13.04 is ancient [06:16] wait no, this is the 2012 version not the 2013 wifi version [06:16] im just asking if theres any way i can fix this through guest account [06:17] is there any possible way to change user on guest or start ssh [06:17] nexus7ubuntu: ubuntu has dropped ubuntu touch support, we cant help you with is here [06:17] it [06:17] so im stuffed [06:17] thanks anyway [06:17] $100 down the drain essentially [06:18] ok bye [06:18] maybe i can reflash it or something [06:18] nexus7ubuntu: try also the XDA forum [06:18] nexus7ubuntu: flash android or another port from xda perhaps [06:19] nexus7ubuntu: or try #ubuntu-arm [06:19] maybe they can help you [06:20] (it can take some time to get an answer there now, though, this is a quiet time) [06:36] does anybopdy here use sublime text 3? [06:46] gt8ost4l: better ask your real question [06:47] ducasse everytime i put the commands in Preferences > Keybindings - User it just doesnt work out! [06:47] the output should indent my html file but it doesnt indent at all [06:49] hi [06:49] if i add a newuser [06:49] it will be automatically added to sudoers? [06:49] gt8ost4l: that's not really an ubuntu question, why don't you try ##sublimetext? [06:49] i tried that it doesnt exist [06:51] backtrack: no, you need to specify you want to add it to the sudo group [06:51] gt8ost4l: did you see there are two '#'s? [06:52] ducasse:what are you talking about [06:52] ? [06:53] gt8ost4l: read the channel name _carefully_, look at the beginning [07:02] ducasse, you know the path of that file? [07:05] hey #ubuntu <3 [07:05] i have a favor to ask if anyones up for it [07:07] lol nevermind i figured it out [07:07] i was gonna ask if someone would send me their ttf of ubuntu mono [07:08] im on debian but ubuntu mono is my favorite monospaced font ever [07:30] Hi All, Bluetooth on my laptop never works with Ubuntu 16.4 [07:30] Can anyone help? [07:34] kirandeo87: open terminal [07:35] kirandeo87: sudo apt install inxi pastebinit [07:35] kirandeo87: let me know when done [07:35] @tatertots sure [07:37] tatertots: done [07:37] kirandeo87: inxi -Fxxprzc0|pastebinit [07:38] kirandeo87: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so [07:39] tatertots: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26199762/ [07:40] kirandeo87: dmesg|grep ueto|pastebinit [07:40] kirandeo87: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so [07:41] http://paste.ubuntu.com/26199777/ [07:47] kirandeo87: i see an error [07:48] tatertots: ok. any solution on it? [07:52] kirandeo87: ubuntu-drivers devices|pastebinit [07:52] kirandeo87: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so [07:53] tatertots: http://paste.ubuntu.com/26199840/ [07:56] kirandeo87: apt list --installed |grep bcm|pastebinit [07:56] kirandeo87: you can ignore the warning..and you don't need to tell it to me because this ain't my first rodeo [07:57] kirandeo87: so just share the url/link only [07:57] kirandeo87: share url/link here..if you do not get a url/link..say so [07:57]