| rbasak | o/ | 15:00 |
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| ahasenack | o/ | 15:00 |
| jbicha | 🙋 | 15:00 |
| sil2100 | o/ | 15:01 |
| BenC | o/ A bit sick, but here | 15:01 |
| sil2100 | I suppose we have quorum | 15:01 |
| rbasak | I'd prefer to abstain as ahasenack is on my team. | 15:01 |
| sil2100 | #startmeeting DMB | 15:01 |
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| rbasak | But I'll +1 to get a quorate vote as needed (I'm already +1 as I endorsed him). | 15:02 |
| sil2100 | rbasak: I would say it's not relevant that much, if you have are able to endorse someone as per his experience, I'm fine with counting your vote | 15:02 |
| sil2100 | Bias can appear everywhere | 15:02 |
| sil2100 | #topic Review of previous action items | 15:03 |
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| sil2100 | handsome_feng's two action items are done, right? | 15:03 |
| sil2100 | I think it's all done indeed | 15:04 |
| rbasak | Yes | 15:04 |
| sil2100 | #topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications | 15:04 |
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| sil2100 | #subtopic Andreas Hasenack | 15:04 |
| ahasenack | hello | 15:04 |
| sil2100 | ahasenack: hello o/ Could you please introduce yourself? | 15:05 |
| ahasenack | sure | 15:05 |
| sil2100 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndreasHasenack/UbuntuServerDevApplication <- application | 15:05 |
| sil2100 | http://ubuntu-dev.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=Andreas+Hasenack&sponsoree_search=name <- uploads | 15:05 |
| ahasenack | I started working on Ubuntu when I joined Canonical, many years ago (~2008) | 15:05 |
| ahasenack | working on landscape as a QA engineer | 15:05 |
| ahasenack | this year I switched to the ubuntu-server team | 15:05 |
| ahasenack | and as can be seen in my uploads list, they ramped up | 15:06 |
| ahasenack | I come from a server background, where I worked mainly with authentication/authorization packages | 15:06 |
| ahasenack | and sometimes the email stack | 15:07 |
| ahasenack | I think I can contribute to Ubuntu with that work on ubuntu server | 15:07 |
| ahasenack | and the server package set seems a good fit | 15:07 |
| ahasenack | I think that's it for a short summary | 15:08 |
| sil2100 | Ok, thanks - let's move on to questions | 15:08 |
| sil2100 | ahasenack: easy one first - if you have a version number like this 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-10.1ubuntu5.3, what is the first number before the : and what is it used for? | 15:10 |
| ahasenack | it's an epoch | 15:10 |
| ahasenack | used to fix mistakes in previous version numbers | 15:10 |
| ahasenack | the epoch trumps the version comparison and wins | 15:10 |
| sil2100 | Ok | 15:11 |
| ahasenack | although I've seen some tricks with the word "really" in package versions | 15:11 |
| ahasenack | so it's used sparingly | 15:12 |
| ahasenack | because it's really the last resort | 15:12 |
| jbicha | let's say you uploaded a package to bionic last week and it's still only in bionic-proposed now, how would you find out why? | 15:16 |
| ahasenack | I go to the excuses page | 15:16 |
| ahasenack | wouldn't wait a week, though | 15:16 |
| ahasenack | it could be help because its dep8 tests failed, | 15:16 |
| ahasenack | or because dep8 tests in dependent packages failed | 15:17 |
| ahasenack | there could also be a large queue due to some big migration that is triggering a lot of test runs | 15:17 |
| ahasenack | s/help/held/ | 15:17 |
| ahasenack | then I check the failed tests, if any, see if they are really failures in the package, or flaky tests | 15:17 |
| ahasenack | I can check the history of that test in any architecture | 15:17 |
| ahasenack | if I think it's a flaky test, I check if there is a bug about it. If not, I file one | 15:18 |
| ahasenack | if it's an infrastructure problem, I ping someone to click the retry button for me, and present my evidence | 15:18 |
| ahasenack | I have such a case with samba, which triggers gvfs2 tests and there is one test in particular that is flaky, I filed a bug about it | 15:18 |
| ahasenack | and it's on my list to check in more detail and try to fix | 15:19 |
| jbicha | ahasenack: have you ever seen "unsatisfiable Depends" on excuses for a package that does look like it is present in Ubuntu? do you know what that tends to mean? | 15:19 |
| ahasenack | I haven't seen that, I would have to look it up | 15:19 |
| ahasenack | I suppose it means that a new depends was introduced | 15:19 |
| ahasenack | and that is not available in the archive | 15:19 |
| ahasenack | if that's the case, it sounds like a silly mistake, | 15:20 |
| ahasenack | because we are expected to test-build things before uploading | 15:20 |
| sil2100 | ahasenack: somewhat related to jbicha's question - let's say you uploaded a package to bionic, you check the excuses page and see that all tests have passed, no visible errors seen but the package is still marked as 'Not considered' | 15:20 |
| ahasenack | maybe it could be because the package is in main and has a depends on universe | 15:20 |
| ahasenack | so a ppa test build wouldn't catch that | 15:20 |
| sil2100 | ahasenack: how would you investigate further what's wrong? | 15:20 |
| sil2100 | Where would you look for clues? | 15:20 |
| ahasenack | you say tests have passed | 15:21 |
| ahasenack | so a) it built | 15:21 |
| ahasenack | b) its own tests passed | 15:21 |
| jbicha | ahasenack: "unsatisfiable depends" is often because a main package depends on something in universe, good work on figuring that out as a possible reason :) | 15:21 |
| ahasenack | c) tests in dependent packages passed | 15:21 |
| ahasenack | sil2100: those 3 assumptions are correct? | 15:21 |
| ahasenack | sil2100: there is usually a hint somewhere | 15:22 |
| ahasenack | like it could be blocked due to a release (freeze) | 15:22 |
| sil2100 | ahasenack: yeah, let's say all 3 assumptions are correct and there is no freeze | 15:22 |
| ahasenack | when we are in that final week | 15:22 |
| ahasenack | then migrations are manual | 15:22 |
| ahasenack | ok | 15:22 |
| ahasenack | I don't know then, barring it having been flagged for manual migration for some reason | 15:23 |
| ahasenack | or I didn't refresh the excuses page | 15:23 |
| sil2100 | ahasenack: did you have any experience in proposed-migration update_output.txt parsing? | 15:23 |
| ahasenack | no, but I remember it being mentioned to me now | 15:23 |
| ahasenack | but I haven't had the need to parse it yet | 15:24 |
| sil2100 | If not, it's a good thing to note and be mindful of when your package is stuck in -proposed and excuses doesn't give any useful info | 15:24 |
| sil2100 | ;) | 15:24 |
| ahasenack | I would certainly ask around if I saw that situation | 15:24 |
| jbicha | following up, how do you get a universe package to main? | 15:24 |
| ahasenack | through a MIR (Main Inclusion Request) | 15:24 |
| jbicha | have you ever done one of those before? | 15:25 |
| ahasenack | no, just followed up on the progress of some done by others | 15:25 |
| jbicha | ok, that's fine | 15:25 |
| ahasenack | I'm aware (without looking) of some of its requirements | 15:25 |
| ahasenack | secteam review, | 15:25 |
| ahasenack | history of cves | 15:25 |
| ahasenack | it needs to have an owner | 15:25 |
| ahasenack | dependencies must be in main as well | 15:25 |
| jbicha | thanks | 15:25 |
| ahasenack | build-depends are a bit more relaxed | 15:25 |
| ahasenack | since x I think | 15:25 |
| sil2100 | Thanks | 15:28 |
| sil2100 | Any other questions? | 15:28 |
| jbicha | not from me :) | 15:29 |
| rbasak | No questions from em. | 15:30 |
| rbasak | me | 15:30 |
| sil2100 | rbasak, BenC, micahg: all good? | 15:30 |
| BenC | Yep | 15:30 |
| sil2100 | Let's start the vote then | 15:30 |
| sil2100 | #vote Grant ahasenack ubuntu-server-dev upload rights | 15:31 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Grant ahasenack ubuntu-server-dev upload rights | 15:31 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 15:31 |
| rbasak | +0 abstaining as he's on my team and I endorsed him, and we appear to be quorate without me. | 15:31 |
| meetingology | +0 abstaining as he's on my team and I endorsed him, and we appear to be quorate without me. received from rbasak | 15:31 |
| BenC | +1 | 15:31 |
| meetingology | +1 received from BenC | 15:31 |
| sil2100 | +1 | 15:31 |
| meetingology | +1 received from sil2100 | 15:31 |
| jbicha | +1 | 15:31 |
| meetingology | +1 received from jbicha | 15:31 |
| sil2100 | micahg said he might be in and out of the meeting | 15:32 |
| sil2100 | So we might need to wait a moment for his vote | 15:32 |
| sil2100 | (just hope he didn't go 'out' completely!) | 15:32 |
| BenC | Do we have enough votes if he doesn’t? | 15:33 |
| rbasak | Not without mine currently. | 15:33 |
| rbasak | Over my time on the DMB I've come up with my own personal rules on how to remain objective. | 15:33 |
| rbasak | For people on my team, I've decided to always abstain (rather than +1) if I've endorsed, with the exception that I'll +1 if we don't get quorum. | 15:34 |
| rbasak | So if micahg is unable to vote, I'll +1. | 15:34 |
| rbasak | If he does vote, I won't vote regardless of which way micahg votes. | 15:34 |
| sil2100 | Makes sense | 15:34 |
| sil2100 | I guess it might be nice to have such an official policy for votes, since I know I didn't follow anything like this | 15:35 |
| rbasak | I'm fine with not requiring this upon anyone lse. | 15:36 |
| rbasak | else | 15:36 |
| rbasak | Inevitably there will be other exceptional circumstances when any such policy will need to be broken. | 15:36 |
| rbasak | And I trust everyone so am fine with people deciding this kind of thing for themselves. | 15:37 |
| sil2100 | Let's wait 5 more minutes and then I guess we'd have to assume we don't have quorum without your vote rbasak | 15:40 |
| rbasak | OK | 15:40 |
| * jbicha plays a few minutes of background holiday music while we wait | 15:42 | |
| dpb1 | ... "girl from impanema" muzak? | 15:44 |
| cpaelzer | jbicha: you could play chord names through IRC so we have our share | 15:44 |
| jbicha | cpaelzer: that sounds like too much work. Just imagine Bing Crosby's White Christmas or something :) | 15:45 |
| rbasak | +1 breaking abstention in order to reach quorum | 15:45 |
| meetingology | +1 breaking abstention in order to reach quorum received from rbasak | 15:45 |
| rbasak | sil2100: ^ | 15:48 |
| cyphermox | what? | 15:49 |
| cyphermox | +1 | 15:49 |
| meetingology | +1 received from cyphermox | 15:49 |
| cyphermox | sil2100: | 15:51 |
| sil2100 | \o/ | 15:53 |
| sil2100 | #endvote | 15:53 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Grant ahasenack ubuntu-server-dev upload rights | 15:53 |
| meetingology | Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 15:53 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 15:53 |
| sil2100 | ahasenack: congratulations! | 15:53 |
| ahasenack | thanks! | 15:53 |
| slashd | congrats ahasenack | 15:54 |
| sil2100 | #topic AOB | 15:54 |
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| sil2100 | Any other business? | 15:54 |
| sil2100 | I guess next meeting next year, so - happy new year o/ | 15:55 |
| ahasenack | happy new year, happy holidays, enjoy the rest | 15:55 |
| sil2100 | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Dec 18 15:55:20 2017 UTC. | 15:55 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2017/ubuntu-meeting.2017-12-18-15.01.moin.txt | 15:55 |
| sil2100 | I'll handle adding all the permissions and sending the announcements | 15:55 |
| rbasak | Thanks sil2100! | 15:58 |
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