[00:02] <Nitrigaur> Ubuntu 17.10: VLC causes Xorg to use 100% CPU. How can I limit Xorg CPU use. I want Xorg to max out at 90% and deny it from getting more resources than that
[00:21] <variable> Is there anyone around with the file /usr/share/xsl/docbook-xsl/xhtml/profile-docbook.xsl installed that can tell me what package is comes from?
[00:22] <variable> or maybe /usr/local/share/.... ?
[00:22] <variable> https://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/all/docbook-xsl/filelist
[00:22] <variable> would seem to show it comes from docbook-xsl
[00:23] <variable> but I have that installed, and the file does not exist
[00:24] <EriC^^> !find profile-docbook.xsl
[00:25] <variable> "Sorry, your search gave no results"
[00:25] <EriC^^> variable: are you sure it's ../share/xsl/ or ../share/xml?
[00:27] <variable> EriC^^: I'm expecting it to be $(PREFIX)/share/xsl/docbook-xsl
[00:27] <variable> but if its somewhere else that'd be good to know
[00:29] <variable> EriC^^: ooh, that was sufficient, thanks!
[00:29] <variable> I hate graitutious differences among packages
[00:30] <variable> I also hate software
[00:30] <variable> ad people
[00:30] <variable> EriC^^: thank you!
[00:59] <guifalcao> Hey guys,
[01:01] <guifalcao> I just bought a new notebook (ASUS ROG Strix GL753 gaming laptop). I'm trying to install the latest Ubuntu version alongside to windows (I need both). But when I'm at the partitioning step I can only see my hard drive. And I also have a 128gb SSD, which I would like to use for installing the ubuntu
[01:01] <guifalcao> Is there something I can do?
[01:55] <redlegion> man, i'm having quite a time getting nw-applet to run proper in awesome wm
[01:55] <redlegion> bleh
[01:56] <Oderus> hello. i am trying to modify a burg theme to move the menu location but have no clue how to do so  or even what language it is in (xml etc). any ideas
[02:01] <ikonia> burg is pretty obsolete now isn't it ?
[02:02] <ikonia> it's certainly not the default boot loader for any os
[02:02] <Oderus> it is not default no.
[02:08] <binaryhermit> burg?  Is that like grub?
[02:12] <Oderus> it is a modified version of grub2 with a graphical iconized menu
[02:13] <Oderus> i have already made my own themes but the icon selector is always in the same place and my attempts on moving it have failed.
[02:21] <ikonia> I suspect engaging the burg project directly will get you better results
[02:21] <ikonia> pretty much no-one uses it on a regular day to day basis
[02:22] <ikonia> so the specialist experience and docs maybe the quickest path to sucess
[02:23] <Oderus> i cannot seem to find the person to contact
[02:32] <Oderus> thanks i think i found the person
[03:01] <gt8ost4l> does anybody kbow of a good ide that supports php 7.2?
[04:55] <theorem> so
[04:56] <theorem> I've installed a new AMD Radeon RX580 card ... done the driver install, but now X is giving me trouble.  I am getting the error that I am unable to use the X config and I will need to configure it myself.
[04:57] <theorem> there's not a lot out there on this, beyond diving directly into the x11.conf file .. is there a better place to start ?
[05:02] <theorem> hmm, looks like htere is a /var/log/Xorg.0.log ...
[05:24] <XXCoder> heys
[05:24] <XXCoder> for some reason laptop is unable to download updates
[05:24] <XXCoder> its been a while so I wonder if distos was moved or something
[05:25] <Leevancleef> What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[05:25] <XXCoder> not too sure how do I find version
[05:26] <Leevancleef> XXCoder, you can find it in System Information via GUI, or just go to the terminal and type lsb_release -a
[05:26] <XXCoder> ok
[05:27] <XXCoder> ubuntu 12.04.5
[05:27] <Leevancleef> Okay, it's a bit old
[05:28] <tcpdump> Hello everyone.
[05:29] <Leevancleef> XXCoder, I think 12.04 stopped getting updates some time ago. The current LTS is 16.04
[05:29] <tcpdump> I have ubuntu server - at 11:17 my server went haywire and a bunch of apps crashed.  Im checking syslog and see the following:
[05:29] <tcpdump> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/FiQVBGA5/
[05:29] <XXCoder> whats good distro for acer aspire one?
[05:29] <tcpdump> Im trying to figure out what these are:
[05:29] <tcpdump> root)(command -v debian-sa1 > /dev/null && debian-sa1 1 1)
[05:29] <tcpdump> and  (   cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
[05:31] <tcpdump> Its almost like it briefly lost network connectivity?
[05:32] <Leevancleef> XXCoder, come to #ubuntu-discuss
[05:46] <tcpdump> Any thoughts?
[06:00] <Leevancleef> Does anyone know about the releases which are labelled as optimized for Raspberry Pi? Could those be an option for similarly ultra low-end machines?
[06:01] <Leevancleef> Shit, nevermind, it's ARM
[06:13] <alkisg> Leevancleef: ubuntu mate is a good choice
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:34] <alkisg> Good morning lotuspsychje
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> hey alkisg
[06:48] <CTZEN> Is it still possible to upgrade Kubuntu this way? https://imgur.com/a/PVpsq
[06:48] <CTZEN> or Ubuntu ?
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> !eol | CTZEN
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> CTZEN: i would reccomend installing a version from the topic ^
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> CTZEN: i presume your not paying for 12.04 ESM?
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> !usn | CTZEN see the security risks here for end of life versions
[06:56] <Doc-Saintly> After installing MariaDB and doing "start service mysql" it doesn't recognize it
[06:56] <Doc-Saintly> when I do: sudo /etc/init.d/mysql start it returns: [ ok ] Starting mysql (via systemctl): mysql.service.
[06:56] <Doc-Saintly> but the service isn't actually running...
[06:57] <Doc-Saintly> Is this an ubuntu thing from a failed install, or a DB thing?
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> !lamp | Doc-Saintly did you start here?
[06:57] <mjrosenb> Does anyone have tips for reducing power usage during S2Idle? my laptop seems to drain about 5% per hour, so it can't even last 24 hours on a full charge.
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> !info laptop-mode-tools | mjrosenb
[06:59] <mjrosenb> lotuspsychje: that does wonders for while the laptop is awake, but I've never seen anything about it improving power usage while in s2i.
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> mjrosenb: try installing that package, see if you can tweak more
[07:02] <CTZEN> ubottu: I am now at 17.10, not at EOL release, just asking is it still possible to upgrade ubuntu this way?
[07:03] <CTZEN> lotuspsychje: I am now at 17.10, not at EOL release, just asking is it still possible to upgrade ubuntu this way?
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> CTZEN: your screenshot mentioned other eol versions?
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> CTZEN: if you want right answers, you need to provide us the right info
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> CTZEN: so lets try again, you on 17.10 and you want to upgrade to..?
[07:06] <CTZEN> lotuspsychje: 18.04 as soon as it will be release
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> CTZEN: 18.04 is still in development right now, but yes the screenshot you showed is the screen of an ubuntu setup with upgrade choices
[07:06] <CTZEN> I can fire : do_release_upgrade" but internet connection is not stable at where I am now. And its a desktop computer
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> CTZEN: what kinf of upgrade are you wondering about? with usb or with terminal or with GUI update-manager?
[07:07] <CTZEN> I can fire : Screenshot has an option of "Upgrade". Is it still available to upgrad that way? Thats not my screenshot
[07:07] <CTZEN> Downloaded from google
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> CTZEN: well we dont know you grab screenshots from google
[07:09] <CTZEN> lotuspsychje: I want to "Download the ISO, Live boot from USB, and then upgrade without losing my installed apps" unless they are unsupported
[07:09] <CTZEN> lotuspsychje: Okey, Is it still possible to upgrade that way?
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> CTZEN: yes thats supported, if you wait until 18.04 final has released
[07:10] <CTZEN> lotuspsychje: Thats nice, I will wait untill 18.04 will release
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> CTZEN: unless you want to help testing 18.04 before final?
[07:10] <CTZEN> lotuspsychje: Thanks alot
[07:11] <CTZEN> lotuspsychje: No, No, no testing. this is serious production system
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> CTZEN: allright then its even reccomended to wait for 18.04.1
[07:11] <kisuke> so stupid question, whats the least worst way of upgradeing an EOL system?
[07:11] <ducasse> CTZEN: no, that is _not_ supported anymore afaik
[07:12] <Ben64> kisuke: fresh install
[07:12] <CTZEN> ducasse: HUH?
[07:12] <kisuke> @ben i said least worst, not bad.
[07:12] <Ben64> it is the least worst way
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> !eolupgrade | kisuke
[07:12] <ducasse> CTZEN: what lotus is saying is incorrect, i'm afraid, you can only upgrade online
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> oh i dint read the online part
[07:13] <kisuke> thank lotuspsychje
[07:15] <ducasse> CTZEN: the upgrader will download everything before actually performing the upgrade, though
[07:17] <Doc-Saintly> I didn't get my mariadb through LAMP, it's just installed using apt install mariadb-server
[07:17] <Doc-Saintly> apt shows it's all configured and installed properly, but none of the commands work to start it up
[07:19] <CTZEN> ducasse: Okey, so what If my connection will drop in the middle of downloading the upgrades? Do I have to restart all over again?
[07:20] <ducasse> CTZEN: you restart the upgrade, it should continue where it left off
[07:21] <CTZEN> ducasse: Continue? Ok. Then no problem :)
[07:22] <ducasse> CTZEN: the packages it has downloaded will be in the cache, so it won't need to download them again
[07:23] <CTZEN> ducasse: Then it will not be any problem. Thank you for helping with information :)
[07:24] <ducasse> CTZEN: no problem :)
[07:24] <CTZEN> ducasse: One more question
[07:24] <CTZEN> ducasse: Due to rise of KDE NEON, I heard rumors about Kubuntu
[07:25] <CTZEN> Some says "ubuntu" will drop support for KDE flavor in near future. Is it true?
[07:26] <ducasse> CTZEN: i seriouslu doubt that
[07:26] <CTZEN> ducasse: Heh, Mee too
[07:32] <Doc-Saintly> eh, I'll try later
[08:23] <johan-hedin> sudo apt-get update with this command i am getting some issues some broken package
[08:23] <johan-hedin> https://pastebin.com/FKT4ZXTP
[08:24] <johan-hedin> here is my result of update command
[08:28] <EriC^^> ux
[08:28] <alkisg> johan-hedin: it's simple, just remove the broken repositories that you installed
[08:28] <alkisg> Run software-properties-gtk, and remove the ones that you installed and that  are causing errors
[08:28] <johan-hedin> and how to fix " Signature by key C9467A8216C570CDFBAC3AFD331D6DDE7F8840CE uses weak digest algorithm (SHA1)
[08:29] <johan-hedin>  "
[08:29] <alkisg> You remove that repository
[08:29] <EriC^^> johan-hedin: that's just a warning about the hash algorithm
[08:29] <alkisg> It's not from ubuntu
[08:29] <EriC^^> ignore it
[08:32] <johan-hedin> Dont know whats going with my system.. i am facing lot of issues
[08:32] <johan-hedin> like teamviewer_13.0.5693_amd64.deb i cant install it via Software update
[08:32] <EriC^^> such as?
[08:32] <EriC^^> it's not in the repos?
[08:32] <johan-hedin> i cant install latest team viewer in my system
[08:33] <johan-hedin> seems not
[08:33] <EriC^^> johan-hedin: try to open a terminal, cd to the dir and type sudo dpkg -i teamviewer_13........deb
[08:35] <johan-hedin> EriC^^, again issue https://pastebin.com/3z7LXbZb
[08:35] <EriC^^> johan-hedin: type "sudo apt-get -f install"
[08:37] <johan-hedin> EriC^^, done now. ?
[08:37] <EriC^^> johan-hedin: all good no errors?
[08:37] <johan-hedin> yes
[08:37] <EriC^^> johan-hedin: try launching teamviewer
[08:37] <johan-hedin> Removing teamviewer (13.0.5693) ...
[08:37] <johan-hedin>  :P
[08:37] <EriC^^> hmm
[08:38] <EriC^^> johan-hedin: which ubuntu release is it?
[08:38] <johan-hedin> 16
[08:38] <EriC^^> .04?
[08:38] <johan-hedin> 16.04 lts
[08:38] <alkisg> You tried launching teamviewer and it removed it? That sounds rather strange :)
[08:39] <EriC^^> !info libqt5x11extras5 xenial
[08:39] <johan-hedin> alkisg, i did not remove it..
[08:39] <alkisg> What does this mean? [10:37] <johan-hedin> Removing teamviewer (13.0.5693) ...
[08:39] <johan-hedin> alkisg, please check communication between us
[08:39] <johan-hedin> sudo apt-get -f install result its alkisg
[08:39] <alkisg> Ah, that's what apt install said, ok
[08:40] <alkisg> Try with apt-get update; apt install teamviewer*.deb
[08:40] <alkisg> apt install tries to resolve dependencies, while dpkg -i doesn't
[08:40] <EriC^^> johan-hedin: try "sudo apt-get install libqt5x11extras5 qtdeclarative5-controls-plugin qtdeclarative5-dialogs-plugin
[08:41] <EriC^^> alkisg: good one, johan-hedin try it
[08:42] <johan-hedin> EriC^^, https://paste.ubuntu.com/26207430/
[08:43] <xcom169> hello all
[08:43] <xcom169> Do you use GPA ?
[08:44] <EriC^^> xcom169: what's GPA?
[08:45] <xcom169> EriC^^: gnu privacy assitant
[08:46] <xcom169> sudo apt-get install gpa
[08:46] <johan-hedin> EriC^^, i am waiting for next help :P
[08:47] <EriC^^> johan-hedin: try sudo apt install /path/to/teamviewer......deb
[08:48] <johan-hedin> EriC^^, its on my home and same :)
[08:48] <EriC^^> johan-hedin: can you pastebin?
[08:53] <johan-hedin> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26207464/
[08:54] <alkisg> johan-hedin: apt policy libqt5x11extras5
[08:54] <alkisg> Put that to pastebin. Your sources sound ...missing :)
[08:54] <johan-hedin> N: Unable to locate package libqt5x11extras
[08:55] <alkisg> johan-hedin: well then your sources are a mess. Run software-properties-gtk and put them back
[08:55] <alkisg> !libqt5x11extras xenial
[08:55] <alkisg> !info libqt5x11extras xenial
[08:55] <alkisg> !info libqt5x11extras5 xenial
[08:59] <johan-hedin> alkisg, https://imgur.com/a/BeFOw
[09:01] <alkisg> johan-hedin: in the first tab, enable the normal sources, main, universe etc
[09:01] <alkisg> don't enable any developer options
[09:07] <johan-hedin> well done EriC^^
[09:07] <johan-hedin> great alkisg
[09:07] <johan-hedin> thanx
[09:08] <alkisg> np
[09:20] <s4lt> Having a strange issue - ssh is very laggy or hangs on connection unless '-T' flag is used, in which it is very responsive.
[09:21] <s4lt> Have tried a variety of networking setups and a variety of servers.
[09:22] <s4lt> hangs on "debug2: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768"
[09:52] <ren0v0> Hi, is there a problem in ubuntu with cron.hourly ?
[09:53] <Ben64> no
[09:53] <ren0v0> A script that works in cron.daily isn't working when moved to cron.hourly. I note that the line in /etc/crontab for the hourly cron doesn't pipe through "anaparts", and also i'm getting errors in cron logs now  "CRON (root) ERROR: failed to open PAM security session: Success"
[10:07] <ikonia> rvgate: so you have a permissions problem then
[10:15] <Whiskey> Why do i get "Too many levels of symbolic links" when i try to overwrite a current symlink in terminal?
[10:15] <rvgate> ikonia, ??
[10:28] <EraserPencil> Does anyone have experience with CLI translation?
[10:29] <Ben64> ask your actual question
[10:30] <tatertots> EraserPencil: probably would go smoother if you just admit what your actual problem or issue is
[10:32] <EraserPencil> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26207756/
[10:32] <EraserPencil> I followed the github examples and read the guide from the man page but cant seem to get it to work
[10:34] <tatertots> EraserPencil: get "it" to work?...is there another word or term more detailed you could used as substitute for "it"?
[10:35] <EraserPencil> "it" = translate-shell
[10:35] <EraserPencil> https://github.com/soimort/translate-shell
[10:36] <Ben64> use the version in the ubuntu repository
[10:43] <ren0v0> ikonia, was you meaning to highlight me ?
[10:44] <ren0v0> ikonia, if so, why is that? I'm using the default ubuntu crontab, is there an issue with the hourly line as its different to the rest  https://pastebin.com/tjFtwj1f
[10:46] <EraserPencil> Ben64: yea was having some problems with the one in the repo, but I'll try hacking away at it. I feel it's user error, was hoping someone had experience with it here
[10:50] <Ben64> EraserPencil: could download the newer version, its only a bash script you could run it from anywhere
[11:20] <adrian_1908> If I want to use Vulkan with the proprietary Nvidia drivers, do I need to install anything extra, or is that functionality part of the main package by now?
[11:21] <killall> Hello how can i enable lock screen? https://i.stack.imgur.com/XldZ8.png
[11:22] <XXCoder> killall: try clicking "on" or was it disabled?
[11:22] <XXCoder> think it is actually on? that theme scheme coloring suck
[11:23] <killall> XXCoder, cant lock the screen :(
[11:23] <killall> super + l not working neither i have the option on the menu
[11:24] <XXCoder> sadly I cant test super key as I use mac keyboard
[11:24] <XXCoder> so no sysrq
[11:24] <XXCoder> I really need to define alternate superkey
[11:25] <killall> i have in the menu, logout suspend and shutdown not the lock the screen as i always had
[11:26] <XXCoder> weird
[11:26] <killall> not the only one :) https://askubuntu.com/questions/986182/ubuntu-17-10-screen-lock-not-working-and-grey/987384#987384
[11:35] <xcom169> Do you use GPA ?
[11:35] <xcom169> Anybody can help me?
[11:39] <hateball> !ask | xcom169
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:47] <xcom169> How to set up entry password into GPA? So to start up GPA, ask for a password
[11:48] <Ben64> and GPA is....?
[11:48] <anddam> how do I force ugprade of packages that have been kept back?
[11:50] <hateball> anddam: sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[11:50] <anddam> namely I added https://launchpad.net/~mercurial-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/releases and both mercurial and mercurial-common are listed as upgradable but kept back
[11:50] <anddam> mmm this uninstalls tortoise-hg and marks a bunch of other packages as no longer required
[11:51] <anddam> should I reinstall tortoise-hg afterwards or can I "update-in-place" mercurial?
[11:52] <anddam> nvm, my bad
[11:52] <anddam> Depends: mercurial (< 3.8~)
[11:58] <hateball> !ppa | anddam
[12:01] <anddam> I see
[12:02] <anddam> thanks
[13:32] <valla> hey I've got a lab openstack setup, installed with conjure-up lxd version.. but Im having some issues with the networking. Anyone here that could help or point me in the correct direction?
[13:34] <Levin^> hi
[13:35] <Levin^> I'm trying to make my www-data user to have ftp permissions, how to do that?
[13:49] <leftyfb> Levin^: you should use virtualhosts
[13:56] <Levin^> leftyfb: what if nginx?
[14:18] <Sagan> hi there, I have a problem: I'm using mate-panel for having a GUI, but it crashed, and I can't connect via RDP to it. Is there a way to restart it without rebooting the server?
[14:18] <Sagan> I guess it is, but which commands do I have to use?
[14:18] <Sagan> I found already killall mate-panel online, but then I get "no process found"
[14:22] <lelo> guys, to block portmap and dns connections to my server, is it better to use hosts.allow/hosts.deny or iptables?
[14:22] <lelo> or another mean to do the same?
[14:31] <alkisg> Sagan: to start mate-panel, type: mate-panel --replace
[14:32] <Sagan> alkisg: then my console tells me that is was not able to load the module, gail, atk-bridge, and writes: (mate-panel:25571): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[14:32] <alkisg> Sagan: are you connected via ssh?
[14:32] <Sagan> alkisg: yep
[14:33] <alkisg> You can't normally launch gui programs via ssh
[14:33] <Sagan> alkisg: hm, but when I connect via RDP which was working before, it fails
[14:33] <alkisg> You need vnc access to do that
[14:33] <alkisg> Can you upload the output of `ps faux | nc termbin.com 9999`?
[14:34] <alkisg> To see the processes running?
[14:34] <Sagan> alkisg: nc: command not found. what kind of process are you looking for?
[14:35] <alkisg> To quickly see how you are launching rdp
[14:35] <alkisg> And if it crashed or if it's still running etc
[14:35] <alkisg> If nc isn't there, that doesn't sound like mate
[14:37] <Sagan> alkisg: mate-panel was running before IIRC. Currently the service xrdp is running
[14:38] <Sagan> I restarted that service already but that didn't help
[14:41] <BluesKaj> Sagan, check if you have netcat installed
[14:42] <Sagan> BluesKaj: it isn't
[14:43] <BluesKaj> nc is netcat, dunno id it's default in mate, you should install it
[14:43] <BluesKaj> id=if
[14:44] <alkisg> netcat-openbsd is a dependency of ubuntu-minimal, present in all ubuntu installations
[14:46] <Sagan> alkisg: then it looks like my host has and interesting version of xenial, it wasn't installed yet
[14:46] <BluesKaj> alkisg, I had to install in kde/plasma a few dats ago
[14:46] <BluesKaj> days even
[14:49] <jk^> hi all
[14:50] <alkisg> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu-mate.xenial/all => netcat-openbsd                                              | netcat-openbsd                        | Ubuntu-Mate.Xenial minimal seed                       | Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>      |           39052 |             108
[14:50] <alkisg> Same in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/kubuntu.xenial/all
[14:51] <killall> Hello how can i enable lock screen? https://i.stack.imgur.com/XldZ8.png
[14:52] <BluesKaj> yeah, the openbsd version alkisg , I was just looking for netcat in the terminal, not installed
[14:54] <alkisg> Yeah openbsd is the preinstalled version, if someone wants he can replace it with -traditional (the plain netcat is the -traditional one)
[14:55] <BluesKaj> right
[14:56] <jk^> i have a problem with PAE. I read all the guide, but it appears 3 dashes not 2, then i don't know which is the correct syntax of the text i have to enter :|
[14:56] <jk^> Guides tell do add forcepae -- forcepae (after ...quiet splash) but there are 3 dashes :\ which is the correct syntax?
[14:56] <jk^> i link an image https://drive.google.com/open?id=181PSJoEKNHMOLGavbWzuBIh9_CaqTFli
[14:57] <alkisg> jk^: three dashes mean "whatever I put there should go both to the live and to the installed system"
[14:57] <alkisg> If you're sure you want pae nowadays.... put three dashes
[14:58] <jk^> to the live means "live usb"?
[14:58] <jk^> alkisg
[15:04] <neure> hi
[15:04] <alkisg> jk^: yes
[15:04] <neure> does ubuntu have keyboard shortcut to minimize window?
[15:04] <leftyfb> yes
[15:05] <neure> i think i pressed some key combo and my terminal window just disappeared
[15:05] <jk^> alkisg ok then? Which is the correct syntax? :|
[15:05] <neure> how do i get it back?
[15:05] <alkisg> jk^: I already answered, [16:57] <alkisg> If you're sure you want pae nowadays.... put three dashes
[15:05] <leftyfb> neure: what version of ubuntu?
[15:05] <neure> 16.04
[15:05] <jk^> ehm, maybe it's due to my english, but i don't understand what i have to type :\
[15:05] <jk^> alkisg :(
[15:05] <jk^> excuse me
[15:05] <leftyfb> neure: look in your side bar on the left for the window icon
[15:06] <neure> according to the switcher i dont have those terminal windows any more
[15:06] <leftyfb> neure: then they are closed
[15:06] <neure> maybe there is also key combo to close terminal window?
[15:06] <leftyfb> there is
[15:07] <leftyfb> neure: look in your keyboard settings under shortcuts
[15:07] <neure> i got a new keyboard, tenkeyless us layout, and i am accidentally pressing some keys :/
[15:09] <gguu33sstt_> hi, i just upgraded my lenovo s10-2 to lubuntu 17.10 from a previous version. after reboot i get the following message "/dev/sda1: clean xxx/xxx files, xxx/xxx blocks" and cant login. im running it in recovery mode right now. i will appreciate any help
[15:11] <neure> nah this is something else
[15:11] <neure> the whole terminal window just disappers
[15:11] <EriC^^> gguu33sstt_: do you get a login screen?
[15:11] <gguu33sstt_> no i dont
[15:12] <EriC^^> gguu33sstt_: try without recovery mode, when you get that screen try "ctrl+alt+f1 or f2" and try to login, can you use the pc and talk here at the same time?
[15:13] <gguu33sstt_> yeah im gonna switch computers
[15:18] <sruli> can i boot ubuntu from regular bootable usb on mac or does the usb need to be prepared differently to boot a mac?
[15:19] <alkisg> jk^: you're supposed to type --- forcepae
[15:20] <jk^> no :\ i don't know what i have to type :(
[15:20] <jk^> alkisg
[15:21] <alkisg> jk^: --- forcepae
[15:21] <alkisg> I don't know what else to tell you
[15:21] <jk^> ok
[15:21] <alkisg> It's just one word
[15:21] <jk^> so i try with: ...quiet splash --- forcepae
[15:21] <alkisg> Yes
[15:21] <alkisg> jk^: are you sure you need forcepae? Which cpu do you have exactly?
[15:22] <jk^> yes, it's celeron m
[15:22] <jk^> just another question
[15:22] <jk^> the guide tells that after enter the parameter forcepae, i have to press "Return"
[15:22] <jk^> return is the "Esc"?
[15:22] <jk^> or "enter"?
[15:22] <alkisg> No, it's "enter"
[15:22] <jk^> button?
[15:22] <jk^> ok
[15:22] <gguu33sstt> EriC^^: y tried ctrl + alt + f1 and tried to log in but i get "failed to connect to http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release. check your internet connection or proxy setting"
[15:22] <jk^> thanks a lot
[15:23] <alkisg> np
[15:23] <jk^> the problem is that many and many people tells me to enter the forcepae "TWO TIMES (before and after)". Then i have doubt about that
[15:23] <EriC^^> gguu33sstt: no problem, that's from the motd, can you get an internet connection on the machine to upload logs and stuff?
[15:23] <alkisg> jk^: you only need it one time, after the ---
[15:24] <gguu33sstt> EriC^^: just by connecting an ethernet cable?
[15:26] <EriC^^> gguu33sstt: yeah that might work
[15:26] <[worksti]> hello, i have set up postfix and sendmail, but i would like mail that goes to my account to be forwarded to my gmail account. i have searched the net, but all i could find were guides on how to send mail to OTHER people VIA gmail, but that is not what i want, i just want my own mail to be sent to my own mail account. can someone point me in the correct direction ?
[15:28] <gguu33sstt> EriC^^: ok its connected
[15:29] <leftyfb> [worksti]: if you search google for "postfix forward email" I have confirmed that the first 5 results all tell you exactly how to configure your server to forward email to another account
[15:30] <gguu33sstt> EriC^^: tried to log in again but i get the same message
[15:30] <EriC^^> gguu33sstt: can you press ctrl+c or something to get a shell?
[15:32] <gguu33sstt> EriC^^: sh command will work?
[15:33] <EriC^^> gguu33sstt: do you get a prompt right now? such as user@host:$ ?
[15:35] <gguu33sstt> EriC^^: yes i was already on that prompt
[15:35] <EriC^^> gguu33sstt: ok, try "sudo systemctl start lightdm"
[15:37] <gguu33sstt> EriC^^: nothing
[15:38] <EriC^^> gguu33sstt: try pressing ctrl+alt+f7 or ctrl+alt+f1
[15:38] <gguu33sstt> EriC^^: i put my password and got back to the prompt
[15:39] <ioria> gguu33sstt, can you boot another kernel ? like 4.10 or such ?
[15:39] <gguu33sstt> EriC^^: if i hit ctrl + alt + f7 i get the mouse cursor
[15:40] <gguu33sstt> EriC^^: im going to try booting on 4.10
[15:40] <EriC^^> gguu33sstt: try ctrl+alt+f1 again and type "sudo systemctl restart lightdm"
[15:40] <EriC^^> ok
[15:44] <gguu33sstt> EriC^^: i booted on 4.10 (not recovery mode) and it worked
[15:44] <ioria> gguu33sstt, if your video card is MG 945 it's likely  to be hit by a bug with 4.13 kern
[15:44] <EriC^^> gguu33sstt: ah great
[15:44] <ioria> gguu33sstt,  lspci -k | grep -i VGA -A 2
[15:46] <gguu33sstt> ioria: that command line goes in the 4.13 kernel prompt?
[15:47] <ioria> gguu33sstt,  nope... why ?
[15:47] <gguu33sstt> ioria: where i put that command line?
[15:47] <ioria> gguu33sstt,  open a terminal, please
[15:48] <gguu33sstt> ioria: ok
[15:48] <ioria> gguu33sstt,  lspci -k | grep -i VGA  and copy/paste the line here
[15:50] <[worksti]> leftyfb: thanks, it seems i misunderstood what i wanted to do
[15:50] <gguu33sstt> ioria: "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[15:50] <jk^> https://d1mon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/xubuntu_forcepae.png
[15:50] <jk^> alkisg, so is the content of that image wrong?
[15:50] <ioria> gguu33sstt,  yes, 945GSE
[15:50] <[worksti]> ive got it working the way i want now. any way to send the 'old mail' ? it already went to my user mail on the server, visible in the mail tool, but its not forwarding to my gmail, only new incoming mail is
[15:50] <Hathadar> I am trying to mount an NTFS RAID0 array from an old windows box.  mount complains the device is already mounted or busy but it does not show up in the mount list.
[15:51] <ioria> gguu33sstt,  there is a bug for your card and the new 4.13 kernel ...
[15:51] <ioria> gguu33sstt,  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1724639
[15:51] <leftyfb> [worksti]: you'll have to use a mail client configured to look at your local machine and manually forward each email
[15:52] <ioria> gguu33sstt,  in that post you can find a couples of workarounds
[15:53] <ioria> gguu33sstt,  like edit  /etc/default/grub  with GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text  or using  'nomodeset' parameter
[15:54] <Daekdroom> Hello, I've just installed a new pair of speakers for my PC, but I can't seem to reproduce audio through them. I've checked PulseAudio and ALSA settings to no avail.
[15:57] <EriC^^> Daekdroom: maybe this can help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[15:57] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom, checked them how ?
[15:57] <Daekdroom> BluesKaj, pavucontrol and alsamixer.
[15:58] <Daekdroom> Either way, I figured it out now, oh well.
[15:58] <Daekdroom> Pulseaudio set my video card to a duplex output instead of stereo analog, whatever the difference is.
[15:59] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom, in alsamixer make sure automute isd disabled and your vol ctls aren't muted(MM)
[15:59] <Daekdroom> BluesKaj, yeah, checked that already.
[15:59] <gguu33sstt> ioria: thanks i will try them and see how it goes. i will be around if i need more help. thank you EriC^^ as well
[15:59] <BluesKaj> gda set you pavucontrol to analog out if you have that option
[15:59] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom,^
[15:59] <ioria> gguu33sstt,  ok
[16:00] <Daekdroom> It doesn't help that the speakers show up as two devices and it doesn't give a clue as to which I should choose, but yeah, I think I got it working.
[16:00] <EriC^^> gguu33sstt: no problem
[16:04] <SPF> I'm on 16 LTS, and lightdm is not working. I'm not able to log into the GUI
[16:05] <SPF> I get failed to start session
[16:11] <alkisg> jk^: you've asked me 100 times, I don't know how to tell it with other words. That image means "use forcepae only on the live cd". If you put it after ---, it means "use it in the live cd AND in the installed system". So yes, it's wrong.
[16:12] <alkisg> jk^: it's not even that important, you can add it later if you want
[16:21] <slogger3141> hello - 1st ever post so be gentle :-) - I have a query regarding backport of a wifi driver to ubuntu 1404 if its suitable for this channel?
[16:22] <slogger3141> i have a new laptop - currently has to run 1404 - cant yet use 1604 (which works with the wifi card - have booted off usb and ok)
[16:23] <slogger3141> also works with kernel 4.9 running on 1404
[16:23] <slogger3141> however fails on 1404 with 4.6 kernel
[16:23] <EriC^^> !hwe | slogger3141
[16:23] <tomreyn> slogger3141: welcome! if it's about ubuntu support, you're welcome to just ask your very question right away, no need for politeness (asking to ask) there.
[16:24] <slogger3141> thanks
[16:24] <slogger3141> will checkout the link ubottu posted
[16:31] <tomreyn> slogger3141: i'm still trying to understand this: (if i get you right) you're saying that everything works fine on ubuntu 16.04, but you somehow (can you explain how?) have to use 14.04 instead. 14.04 comes with linux 3.13.0 by default, the newest supported kernel package you can run there is 4.4.0.104.87 (package 'linux-generic-lts-xenial')
[16:32] <Daekdroom> Hello again, how do I disable the boot splash screen in Ubuntu 17.10? It seems that editing grub is not enough anymore.
[16:33] <EriC^^> Daekdroom: did you update-grub after editing?
[16:34] <Daekdroom> EriC^^, yes
[16:34] <EriC^^> Daekdroom: can you pastebin the output of "cat /proc/cmdline" ?
[16:34] <tomreyn> should be just one line
[16:35] <Daekdroom> EriC^^, I'm in recovery mode but I want a splashless normal session.
[16:35] <EriC^^> Daekdroom: removing 'quiet splash' usually does it..
[16:35] <slogger3141> tomreyn: yes all works ok if i install 1604 - however due to application requirements currently I have to use 1404
[16:35] <Daekdroom> EriC^^, as far as I know, there's something to fiddle with systemd now.
[16:36] <slogger3141> from an app perspective the newest kernel we can use is 4.6
[16:37] <alkisg> 16.04 comes with 4.4
[16:37] <slogger3141> ideally yes - we should move to 1604; but not an option today
[16:37] <tomreyn> slogger3141: what kind of applications demand a specific kernel version?
[16:38] <tomreyn> slogger3141: if it's not a matter of kernel modules, i would suggest running those applications inside a container / VM then
[16:38] <tomreyn> VM also works if it's about the kernel
[16:40] <tomreyn> slogger3141: backporting wireless drivers won't be fun, and moreover finding a kernel version which is all of: (a) supported (gets security patches), (b) new enough to support your hardware and (c) old enough to make your application snot fail ... will be difficult
[16:40] <slogger3141> yes - I've tried downloading the latest iwlwifi and recompiling on 1404 - not fun :-(
[16:41] <EriC^^> slogger3141: maybe the lts-xenial will be good for you, if 16.04 worked
[16:41] <EriC^^> (the hwe package + xorg stack)
[16:42] <tomreyn> slogger3141: in case containers are not an option / too complicated and you dislike the virtualization approach, you cuold also try to buy additional, pluggable, hardware which works with the older kernel. but this will only last until trusty looses support.
[16:42] <slogger3141> thanks Eric - I'll download that and give it a go
[16:42] <N0rbert> Dear all! I have a problem with bug 1727687. What should I do to confirm and triage it?
[16:42] <slogger3141> we should be on 1604 in 1st quarte 2018- however wanted a temp fix so we can use new laptops before then
[16:44] <tomreyn> slogger3141: yes you should try linux-generic-lts-xenial first of all.
[16:44] <TJ-> slogger3141: is the application requirement really dependent on the kernel version, or is is (more likey) dependent on library version?
[16:45] <slogger3141> definitely kernel related - cant really say more sorry
[16:45]  * tomreyn guesses it's AV :)
[16:46] <TJ-> slogger3141: Linus is very particulalr that the kernel MUST NOT break userpace; if it does, then that's a serious bug
[16:51] <tcpdump> Hey everyone, I have a server that tanked at about 6:32 AM CST-  Our monitoring showed that it was in distress. I see no logs referencing any issues. I've looked at dmesg, syslog, etc.  Are there any other logs that would show a drop in network, for example?
[16:52] <TJ-> tcpdump: kern.log (mostly historical dmesg), auth.log
[16:53] <tomreyn> but since network is not part of the system you'd need to montor / log network availability / performance outside of the system / seperately.
[16:57] <tomreyn> also check the OOB / hardware event log if this system provides such.
[17:05] <alkisg> slogger3141: 16.04.1 comes with 4.4, which meets your requirements. The latest one, 16.04.3 comes with 4.10, so *don't* download that one, download 16.04.1
[17:06] <alkisg> Updating 16.04.1 will still keep the 4.4 kernel
[17:07] <slogger3141> cheers
[17:07] <tomreyn> alkisg: i think he said he must not use ubuntu 16.04, must use 14.04
[17:07] <slogger3141> yup - but will use 1604 next year
[17:07] <alkisg> tomreyn: he said "up to 4.6 kernel"
[17:07] <alkisg> So, 16.04 fits that
[17:07] <alkisg> Anyways, if there are other requirements, sure
[17:08]  * alkisg doesn't know what the problem is anyway, just saw the kernel version there :)
[17:08] <tomreyn> nobody knows but the one who asked. ;)
[17:09] <slogger3141> and even he's not 100% sure ;-)
[17:09]  * alkisg suspects some aircracking software... when people feel the need to hide... it's for a reason :D
[17:16] <N0rbert> alkisg, do you remember bug 1487679? I have similar problem - bug 1727687. What should I/we do to triage them. They broke LTSP sometimes.
[17:18] <tomreyn> is there an EOL for 12.04 ESM? if so, which?
[17:18] <tomreyn> also, will there be ESM for 14.04?
[17:33] <p1l0t> So I'm still on Ubuntu 15.04 and I can't update or upgrade anymore. I tried using a sed command to get willy updates and I still got the 404. Am I screwed do I have to do a clean install?
[17:35] <brainwash> !eol
[17:48] <whitebeast> hello im running ubuntu 16.4 and i have a usb stick that is not showing up. whne i open gparted it shows its there but says its unallocated. how do i fix this?
[17:49] <mentalita> hi
[17:49] <mentalita> in ls -l output
[17:49] <mentalita> -rw-rw-r-- 1 mentalita mentalita      0 Dec 17 15:35 2
[17:49] <mentalita> fisrt 'mentalita' is user, and second is group
[17:49] <mentalita> what's the difference?
[17:49] <mentalita> I mean what is a user and what is a group
[17:49] <leftyfb> whitebeast: that means there's no partition on it. Use gparted to create partition and format it
[17:49] <lordcirth_work> whitebeast, it sounds like it's unformatted.  Is there supposed to be something on it?
[17:50] <mentalita> also, the first dash, I was told it's for special permission. What are those?
[17:50] <mentalita> permissions*
[17:50] <lordcirth_work> mentalita, there's a great guide here: https://linuxjourney.com/lesson/file-permissions
[17:51] <whitebeast> lefty : when i create a partition table it should be msdos right?
[17:53] <lordcirth_work> whitebeast, for a USB stick to store files?  Yes, msdos is good.
[17:53] <mentalita> lordcirth_work: it is indeed a nice guide, but it doesn't say what is a group and what is a user.
[17:53] <Jeaton> ive been out of touched for awhile, is ubuntu still using unity has the standard de?
[17:54] <whitebeast> input output error on dev/     ?????
[17:54] <lordcirth_work> mentalita, your user is the account you log in as.  Your username and password.
[17:54] <whitebeast> the stick itself is in rough sape. could it just be damaged?
[17:54] <whitebeast> shape*
[17:54] <lordcirth_work> Jeaton, currently yes, next release 18.04 will not.
[17:54] <mentalita> lordcirth_work: and a group?
[17:54] <lordcirth_work> whitebeast, quite possible, USBs break easily
[17:54] <Jeaton> lordcirth_work: going to gnome 3?
[17:55] <whitebeast> ok thanks you guys
[17:55] <lordcirth_work> mentalita, a group is a way of categorizing users.  By default, users get a group created just for them, because you have to belong to a group.
[17:56] <mentalita> lordcirth_work: I see, thanks.
[17:56] <lordcirth_work> A user can in fact belong to multiple groups, but has to be in at least one group.
[17:56] <mentalita> is root in a group?
[18:00] <ioria> mentalita,  yes, in the root group
[18:00] <mentalita> how can I see the groups?
[18:01] <mentalita> mentalita@mentalita-pc:~$ groups mentalita adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare
[18:01] <ioria> mentalita,  cat /etc/group
[18:01] <ioria> mentalita,  or type 'id'
[18:02] <mentalita> um...a group is a collection of users, right? there's say 'bin' group. what does it consist of? which users?
[18:02] <mentalita> this doesn't make sense
[18:07] <EriC^^> mentalita: some groups are for programs and dont have a home dir and a set shell even
[18:08] <mentalita> EriC^^: okay, but do those groups still consist of users? if so, which ones? the only one?
[18:08] <mentalita> (in this case)
[18:10] <ioria> mentalita, already posted you  cat /etc/group  right ?
[18:10] <mentalita> ioria: yes?
[18:11] <ioria> mentalita, so, if you want to know what users are in a specific group, you look into it
[18:11] <mentalita> ioria: can it be empty?
[18:12] <mentalita> and what are those numbers
[18:12] <mentalita> games:x:60:
[18:12] <mentalita> what is 60
[18:12] <ioria> mentalita, guid
[18:14] <lordcirth_work> users and groups have numeric ids, uids and gids respectively, as the guide I linked mentions
[18:14] <mentalita> ok will look
[18:27] <adrian_1908> In ~/.profile I export LD_LIBRARY_PATH but the variable remains undefined, whereas other exports next to it in the same file get exported. Any idea what might cause this?
[18:30] <TJ-> adrian_1908: something else cancelling it out afterwards?
[18:31] <adrian_1908> TJ-: my first thought too, but nothing there. Could it be that `export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/other/path"` doesn't work if the variable starts out empty?
[18:31] <m5w> Hello.  I have a setup script that gets run with sudo -i and occasionally uses sudo -iu "$SUDO_USER" to run commands as me.  Is there a better way to emulate me running something with plain sudo (not -i) than to execute sudo inside sudo -iu "$SUDO_USER"?
[18:31] <lordcirth_work> concatenating emptystring with the string should get you ":/other/path" I think
[18:32] <lordcirth_work> Yup it does
[18:32] <lordcirth_work> You probably don't actually want a leading colon
[18:33] <adrian_1908> Yup, it does. Maybe that'll ill formatted and gets swallowed when defined in ~/.profile. Since I don't have anything else, I'll just define the path alone.
[18:34] <adrian_1908> s/that'll/that's
[18:34] <TJ-> adrian_1908: you could try adding "set -x" (the debugging option - displays each line before executing it) earlier and see what's going on
[18:39] <Whiskey> if i are in path /sdfd how do i look in the path before that one and build on that path?
[18:40] <Whiskey> root/current-path root/some/dir/i/try/point/to
[18:40] <TJ->  Whiskey  ../
[18:40] <Whiskey> ../some/dir/i/try/point/to <- does that work?
[18:40] <TJ-> Whiskey: ".." means "parent directory"
[18:40] <Whiskey> to start look from root again i mean
[18:40] <Whiskey> i know it does, but does it work if you build on it
[18:41] <Whiskey> it did
[18:41] <TJ-> Whiskey: use a variable set to the starting point. E.g. BASE="root"; ls "$ROOT/current-path $ROOT/some/dir/i/try/point/to"
[18:42] <Whiskey> hmm thats smart thanks
[18:43] <TJ-> Whiskey: but use the same variable name, ignore my bad example!
[18:43] <Whiskey> yeh
[18:52] <Levin^> hi there
[18:53] <Levin^> there are updates on a webserver running ubuntu every now and then
[18:54] <Levin^> so I was wondering if it's really necessary to backup the whole server before doing updates
[18:54] <Levin^> or that's not really necessary?
[18:54] <arch-nemesis> If you do the update, and then everything fails, then it was necessary
[18:55] <adrian_1908> Levin^: What do you mean, backup as a safety precaution?
[18:55] <Levin^> yes
[18:55] <adrian_1908> I never do backups before updates. But then, nothing I run is mission critical.
[18:55] <Levin^> maybe, somehow, some update could break something, I don't know
[18:55] <arch-nemesis> I never do backups either, but its not a bad idea. Do you do incremental backups?
[18:56] <adrian_1908> Never had an issues with servers. It's the desktops that are fragile because of the graphics stack and all that DE junk.
[18:56] <Levin^> I only do backups of my applications alone
[18:56] <TJ-> Levin^: if the system is using LVM, or a file system that supports it, you can take snapshots before the upgrade
[18:56] <adrian_1908> I would do content based backups, i.e. milestones if your content changes. Or if it constantly changes, periodic backups.
[18:56] <arch-nemesis> For me, I have backups of the data. The OS can be re-installed
[18:57] <Levin^> hm
[18:57] <TJ-> OS configs can often be just as important, e.g. under /etc/ and /var/
[18:58] <Levin^> another example, if you update your old application's PHP to the latest, it will mostly break something
[18:59] <Levin^> but it's PHP, it can be changed quite easily
[18:59] <Levin^> but I don't have much knowledge about the OS itself
[19:00] <Levin^> but ok, it seems it's not a known practice, to require a snapshot before updating the OS
[19:00] <Levin^> known/used
[19:04] <arch-nemesis> Taking an image is not a /terrible/ strategy, but it might not be the best strategy
[19:05] <arch-nemesis> The downside of that strategy is that you'll have to take the whole server down and it takes a lot of time and drive space. But if you want to do it that way, clonezilla might work for you
[19:05] <arch-nemesis> It's sort of like norton ghost, if you're familir with that
[19:05] <arch-nemesis> Levin^
[19:07] <arch-nemesis> A better strategy might be to have use ansible or puppet to apply your configurations. If you can do that, it will enable you to re-create the server easily, move to a cloud server, etc.
[19:08] <arooni> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? ... QUESTION: why?  i'm not running any update process to my knowledge?  how to resolveEE?
[19:09] <arch-nemesis> arooni: There might be something running it in the background, like packagekit. or if you have background updates running.
[19:09] <tomreyn> ps auxw | grep dpkg
[19:09] <arch-nemesis> But if you're sure, the lock is just a file. You can remove it.
[19:10] <arooni> arch-nemesis: https://gist.github.com/9e589e40ecd24301c3e4e641a4e30075  ;; dnsmasq is running updates?  i dont understand lol
[19:10] <arooni> arch-nemesis: in any case i guess that process finished so i can upgrade now
[19:12] <arch-nemesis> hah. Well -that's the -7 flag. Looks like a background update.
[19:25] <TheWild> hello
[19:26] <TheWild> I need PHP 5.4, so "sudo update; sudo apt install php=5.4", but unfortunately it can't find that version.
[19:26] <TheWild> Download sources and compile them yourself?
[19:27] <tomreyn> TheWild: which ubuntu release are you running?
[19:27] <TheWild> 16.04
[19:28] <tomreyn> TheWild: 16.04 provides php7, do you still need 5.4 (which is no longer supported upstream)?
[19:29] <TheWild> yes. I need to run a project that relies on various wacky behaviors of 5.4.
[19:29] <adrian_1908> Since 5.4 isn't the latest of the 5 series either, I would presume he does.
[19:30] <tomreyn> TheWild: xenial does not provide php 5.x, but there are unofficial php 5.6 packages available from https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php
[19:31] <tomreyn> TheWild: if you need an even older php version you're on your own. the problem there is that the web applications are outdated, not that ubuntu is too new.
[19:31] <TheWild> yup, I know.
[19:31] <adrian_1908> TheWild: i.e. you'll have to build it yourself :/
[19:33] <TheWild> I'm not happy chasing dependencies, so I'll probably end up with installing Windows on VirtualBox just to work as server and running PHP 5.4 there.
[19:34] <alkisg> And you'll install an older version of XAMPP, which is also available for Linux... :D
[19:34] <adrian_1908> TheWild: consider running a container instead, you can screw around in there with outdated libraries etc.
[19:35] <tomreyn> TheWild: also be aware that 5.4.x will have (and keep) unpatched security vulnerabilities.
[19:36] <TheWild> mm... I think my boss's framework the project is running on is a bigger problem
[19:38] <TheWild> okay, thanks tomreyn, alkisg, adrian_1908
[19:38] <tomreyn> TheWild: good luck, sounds like a wontfix
[19:39] <arch-nemesis> Does 14.04 run PHP5.4? I mean, if you're happy running unmaintained software, that might be easy until you can get upgraded.
[19:44] <tomreyn> TheWild: yet another option would be to use ubuntu 12.04 ESM, which provides php5 support. security support is available with an ubuntu advantage subscription only. incurring cost can be a way to make your boss reconsider.
[19:45] <tomreyn> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04.5/ for more info + downloads
[19:48] <tomreyn> that's php 5.3.10 there
[19:52] <arch-nemesis> TheWild: There are tools to migrate from php5 to php7. Maybe they work for your application.
[19:57] <grym> hi all, i am unable to install `libssl-dev` on 16.04.3 on arm64.  I get "the following packages have unmet dependencies": https://paste.pound-python.org/show/KentbcSJF6iwEZwbc4TR/
[19:58] <geirha> grym: Just to rule out the simple stuff, did you run   sudo apt update   first?
[19:58] <grym> geirha: yep.  and apt full-upgrade as well
[19:59] <tomreyn> the current xenial arm64 package depends on libssl1.0.0 version 1.0.2g-1ubuntu4.10
[19:59] <geirha> grym: Ok, could you pastebin:  apt policy libssl-dev libssl1.0.0
[20:00] <TheWild> if I finish all the tickets before christmas, I can stay at home for 27-29 December. So... either local server at home or I'll just stay few more hours at the office.
[20:00] <grym> geirha: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/BxlyOM54q8rzpqEcKiT4/
[20:03] <tomreyn> grym: can you show: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -f install; yes no | sudo apt-get -V dist-upgrade
[20:03] <geirha> hm, so you have 999 priority on *ubuntu4.5 of libssl1.0.0, and 999 priority on *ubuntu4.2 of libssl-dev, and they don't match
[20:04] <grym> geirha: yeah.  i'm a little confused.   it's arm64, but it shouldn't be _this_ weird.
[20:04] <tomreyn> grym: you can ignore my last line, i missed that you have pinned packages
[20:04] <grym> tomreyn: righto :)
[20:04] <tomreyn> so why do you pin?
[20:05] <grym> tomreyn: this is a  fresh-out-the-box nvidia px2
[20:05] <geirha> Looks like it's the repo, file:/root/apt-repos that just has highest priority, but it contains "mismatched" packages
[20:05] <grym> tomreyn: so.. it's whatever nvidia did
[20:09] <geirha> well, you can specify the specific version you want to install, but if other packages depend on that specific version of libssl, that won't work either
[20:10] <grym> geirha: i think the only thing i need it for is to build python against.. how would i specify the exact version ?
[20:10] <geirha> package[=version]. E.g.    apt install libssl-dev=1.0.2g-1ubuntu4.10 libssl1.0.0=1.0.2g-1ubuntu4.10
[20:11] <grym> geirha: here goes nothin.
[20:11] <geirha> how does nvidia expect the /root/apt-repos to be updated, I wonder
[20:12] <grym> i guess we'll find out
[20:12] <grym> it installed cleanly anyway
[20:15] <tomreyn> probably some cron job pulling it from http://
[20:17] <grym> geirha: looks good so far.  thanks for the help
[20:26] <geirha> grym: glad to hear :)
[20:43] <robozi> Yo
[21:25] <tsarompy> #ubuntu! <3
[21:25] <tsarompy> i just switched back from debian to artful aardvark
[21:27] <Butterfly___> welcome back
[21:27] <tsarompy> i missed it
[21:27] <Butterfly___> i went debian > ubuntu > mint... and still using the last one :)
[21:27] <tsarompy> mint eh
[21:27] <tsarompy> ?
[21:27] <Butterfly___> don't know mint ?
[21:27] <tsarompy> i dont like the idea of mixing debian and ubuntu packages
[21:27] <tsarompy> seems dangerous
[21:27] <Butterfly___> mint doesn't do that
[21:28] <tsarompy> i thought thats what mint was
[21:28] <Butterfly___> it's pretty stable, i installed 14 month ago, and it's still running through 2 upgrades (18.1 to 18.2 to 18.3)
[21:28] <tsarompy> nice
[21:28] <tsarompy> i installed from the ubuntu mini.iso
[21:28] <mentalita> mint is crap, ships with py 3.5.2
[21:28] <tsarompy> running awesomewm
[21:28] <tsarompy> but i want a badass desktop so im installing kde
[21:29] <Butterfly___> mentalita : just cause of py 3.5.2 the entire distro is crap ? :)
[21:29] <Butterfly___> and cause it ships with that, doesn't mean you have to stick with it
[21:29] <mentalita> it does tell a lot about a distro
[21:30] <tsarompy> anyone play with bionic beaver yet?
[21:31] <leftyfb> tsarompy: yes, someone has. See #ubuntu+1 for further discussion.
[21:33] <tsarompy> i wonder
[21:33] <tsarompy> would it be safe to use kde neon sources in sources.list?
[21:33] <Butterfly___> mentalita : the distro focuses on stability, it doesn't chase version numbers
[21:34] <tsarompy> i hate that
[21:34] <tsarompy> i blame chromium for that
[21:34] <tsarompy> i feel like firefox 4 was yesterday
[21:34] <tsarompy> now its at 2308713874108374
[21:34] <mentalita> Butterfly___: python 3.6.3 is very stable
[21:35] <Whiskey> set pidfile="../dir/dir/dir" it don´t seems to read ../ why?
[21:36] <Butterfly___> mentalita : and you can just install that in mint as well if you really need it...
[21:36] <Butterfly___> nothing holds you back from doing so
[21:36] <mentalita> yes
[21:37] <mentalita> if I add a ppa
[21:37] <mentalita> third party
[21:37] <mentalita> which I don't feel like doing
[21:40] <electricmilk> Anyone know what happened to ubuntuguide.org?  I loved the "Full Page" option but not seeing it online
[21:41] <Baltazar> Question folks: In ubuntu, when I type ifconfig: eno1: inet addr:192.168.1.11  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0 /// when I create a VM, it is **eth0** and ip: 10.0.2.15  (...) WHY?
[21:52] <lordcirth_work> Baltazar, physical machines use deterministic naming, based on hardware.  VM's don't.
[21:53] <lordcirth_work> It used to be that everything was 'ethX' but then adding a new card could rearrange the numbering.
[21:54] <Baltazar> Hm! thanks lordcirh_work
[22:04] <jiffe> hmm, I just did an apt-get upgrade and now everything seems hosed
[22:05] <jiffe>  ubuntu-server depends on apport; however: Package apport is not configured yet.
[22:05] <jiffe> and trying to install apport I get python errors ImportError: No module named '_sysconfigdata_m'
[22:06] <jiffe> actually looking through logs it looks like python is the problem
[22:25] <arlaharen> hello! i'm using ubuntu 16.04 and i'm getting horrific network latency when on wifi. any idea on how i can troubleshoot that? i tried to force 802.11g (54 Mbit/s) but it doesn't seem to take. iwconfig still says 114.4 Mbit/s. how do i force my network card into 802.11g?
[22:27] <brainwash> arlaharen: I guess you should tell us how you tried to force g
[22:29] <kantlivelong> seems like the serial console provided by grub is clunky. once system boots it works nicer. any reason for this? 16.04
[22:29] <arlaharen> brainwash: i did this: sudo iwconfig wlp3s0 rate 54
[22:33] <arlaharen> it gets weirder... :/ i just enabled my work vpn and then all my requests are snappy again. none of the requests are going to stuff at work though.
[22:37] <arlaharen> oh, well. i think i figured out what's wrong. it's not related to wifi at all. it's dns resolution. when on vpn i can access the dns servers from work. when i'm not i can't. i need to handy way to change the dns config when i get on and off vpn.
[22:51] <converge> anyone knows how can I fix it ? https://paste2.org/jhOpMnsY
[23:08] <dingir> hi
[23:08] <electricmilk> hi
[23:08] <dingir> i have a amd card, i put a nvidia with a riser card
[23:09] <dingir> i get to the login screen, when i login with username x server resets... what does it mean
[23:11] <Bashing-om> dingir: You replaced the AMD card with a nvidia card ... OR added the nvidia card ?? - in any respect .. system not loading a graphic's driver for the card in use .
[23:11] <dingir> i added nvidia
[23:15] <electricmilk> dingir,  I'd connect to display with AMD card and then install the NVIDIA drivers
[23:16] <dingir> display is connected to amd card.... when i plug in the nvidia through the riser card the display is off until the login screen appears
[23:16] <dingir> from there im stuck as i can not log in... even ctrl+alt+f1 wont work]
[23:16] <dingir> might be a bad idea trying to mix both
[23:16] <Bashing-om> dingir: ^^ Got me then . I do not know how to tell the system what to do in this use case . Prime ? : https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME
[23:17] <dingir> yea need the propriatary drivers.. its for mining
[23:23] <kantlivelong> it appears that a lvm snapshot renders the system unbootable. nice
[23:25] <kantlivelong> what a joke
[23:33] <kantlivelong> like how is this considered logical?
[23:33] <ikonia> snapshots don't change the system state
[23:33] <Mathisen> maybe you did something wrong ?
[23:33] <ikonia> they just take a backup of the current volume
[23:34] <ikonia> so how can they render it unusable ?
[23:34] <ikonia> I've never had that issue
[23:34] <Butterfly___> did you run out of space?
[23:35] <ikonia> the snap won't complete if there is not enough LE
[23:35] <ikonia> it's pretty vocal if it doesn't complete
[23:36] <kantlivelong> because dm-snapshot isnt loaded so it does something odd with the disk and goes to emergency prompt
[23:37] <ikonia> what is the actual situation you've created
[23:37] <kantlivelong> ikonia: i created a snapshot of a data lv
[23:37] <kantlivelong> and rebooted
[23:38] <ikonia> so if it's a data volume, it shouldn't impact it as at worst it would have a problem, but the root volume would be untouched
[23:38] <ikonia> how did you create the snapshot ?
[23:38] <kantlivelong> exactly.
[23:39] <kantlivelong> lvcreate --snapshot /dev/mapper/datavg-datalv -L 4T -n datalvsnap
[23:39] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> Hello.
[23:39] <ikonia> why did you do -L ?
[23:39] <kantlivelong> once i get into the maint prompt its already mounted and fine
[23:39] <kantlivelong> because i wanted the snapshot to be a specific size..?
[23:39] <kantlivelong> not sure why you wouldn't specify size
[23:40] <ikonia> if your snapshotting a volume, you want to snap the volume
[23:40] <kantlivelong> yeah
[23:40] <ikonia> if the volume is say 5TB, -L4T wouldn't work
[23:40] <Colombo> Hi all
[23:40] <kantlivelong> its the snapshot size. of course it would work
[23:40] <kantlivelong> and now it boots
[23:40] <kantlivelong> add dm-mod, dm-snapshot,dm-mirror to /etc/module and /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, rebuild initramfs. all good
[23:41] <ikonia> kantlivelong: so it's just missing from the initrd
[23:41] <kantlivelong> ikonia: yes but why wouldn't that be a default when installing lvm....?
[23:41] <ikonia> probably worth logging a bug against that as it's not been a problem before
[23:41] <Colombo> My locale defaults to POSIX, but the /etc/default/locale is not POSIX and apt-get install --reinstall locale didn't help. Is there something that keeps resetting my locale to posix?
[23:41] <kantlivelong> i just cant believe no one has encountered it
[23:42] <th3_g3ntl3m3n> exit
[23:42] <kantlivelong> ikonia: yeah im going to replicate on a fresh install and log it. its just crazy how that could be missed
[23:43] <kantlivelong> to make it worse the serial console provided by grub that systemd was using was buggy as heck. once booted it switches to getty and works fine
[23:44] <alexsson> fuck Ubuntu
[23:44] <alexsson> it sucks
[23:45] <kantlivelong> alexsson: very insightful
[23:45] <alexsson> kantlivelong, good. Need more?
[23:45] <kantlivelong> yes
[23:47] <alexsson> kantlivelong, I was banned... cant keep with the good news...
[23:47] <ikonia> alexsson: you're not banned, you where kicked,
[23:47] <ikonia> alexsson: drop the language and attitude, you're in a support channel, if you need help, just ask
[23:49] <alexsson> ikonia, Yes, Ubuntu sucks, how can you help me making Ubuntu un-suck?
[23:49] <kantlivelong> alexsson: thats not very helpful info to make it "unsuck"
[23:49] <ikonia> alexsson: stop messing around, ask for help with specific issues or be quiet, there will be no more warnings
[23:49] <alexsson> hmm, alright
[23:50] <kantlivelong> really interested in why serial provided by grub is so different than by agetty
[23:51] <Colombo> My locale defaults to POSIX, but the /etc/default/locale is not POSIX and apt-get install --reinstall locale didn't help. Is there something that keeps resetting my locale to posix?