[00:56] <Unit193> I didn't help with that one.
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[01:22] <knome> fun.
[01:23] <Unit193> Yeeep.
[01:25] <tacocat> the colorful box drawing chars are a nice touch
[01:26] <knome> all that effort and they didn't manage to highlight more people
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[03:55] <flocculant> moderately annoying when your eyes are just acclimatising ...
[11:01] <bluesabre> it... BURNS
[23:21] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-power-manager 1.6.1 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-power-manager-1-6-1-released-tp50324.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[23:22] <bluesabre> Shew
[23:22] <ochosi> this should make desktop users' lives much easier in 18.04 ^
[23:23] <bluesabre> Time to get that where folks can take it for a spin
[23:23] <ochosi> now i'll either fix up systemload plugin so we can also ship that in our LTS or actually look into gtk-theme-config...
[23:24] <ochosi> i'm a little afraid of systemload plugin though, i think it'll be a black hole and suck in a lot of time
[23:24] <ochosi> lots of odd design choices from what i saw
[23:24] <ochosi> but whatever
[23:27] <bluesabre> Time to make it a bit more standard?
[23:31] <ochosi> well there's the settings dialog
[23:31] <ochosi> for one
[23:32] <ochosi> and tbh it's also a bit odd that you don't just add individual plugins for each of the settings (cpu, mem, swap, uptime), that'd mean you could actually re-order them...
[23:32] <ochosi> even if it remains the same plugin
[23:32] <ochosi> but i remember endless discussions about a "generic monitoring plugin" that led nowhere
[23:32] <ochosi> so i'll try not to sink my time into that
[23:33] <ochosi> i'd rather fix up some other component
[23:33] <ochosi> -settings needs some more love (gdbus port iirc, async collecting or caching of theme colors etc)
[23:34] <bluesabre> re -settings, some issues with the color collecting, similar to the pains with gtk-theme-config
[23:35] <bluesabre> I think I stopped experimenting with it since everything was the same color as my current theme
[23:38] <ochosi> maybe we should simply drop it
[23:39] <Unit193> Define 'drop'?
[23:39] <ochosi> the color preview in settings
[23:40] <ochosi> alternatively you can create a homungous dialog that displays widgets in the themes' selection (i think i saw that sometime in unity or gnome)
[23:40] <ochosi> but if parsing themes isn't reliable anymore, well, it's really not *that* important
[23:40] <ochosi> just a nice-to-have
[23:40] <Unit193> Aha, thought you were talking about dropping gtk-theme-config too again. Nice.
[23:41] <bluesabre> could probably make a script with python to do the magic with it
[23:42] <bluesabre> Need to think about it again
[23:42] <bluesabre> Anyhoo, gotta run now, bbl
[23:43] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah, i'm still not convinced we'll be able to save it. but i think now it's mostly a question of rewriting the css and to some extent the application...
[23:43] <ochosi> (gtk-theme-config this time)
[23:46] <Unit193> ochosi: And I'm just trying to make sure we fully take care of it, not just drop it from the seed (though yes fixing would be fantastic.)
[23:46] <Unit193> (Eg, if we can't maintain it, drop from seed, Ubuntu repos, Debian repos.)
[23:47] <ochosi> sure, anything else wouldn't make sense
[23:47] <ochosi> hope we can get to that decision soon enough
[23:47] <bluesabre> I am inclined to agree that we should port it to python for future maintenance
[23:47] <ochosi> or: we should give ourselves a deadline
[23:48] <Unit193> ochosi: FWIW, easier to push a new version than re-introduce.  So if it passes the deadline, would we just drop from the seed? :P
[23:49] <Unit193> And while you're both here: Are we really going with introspection and glade support?  That'd be an increasing delta to Debian.
[23:50] <bluesabre> I'd much rather we decrease the delta to Debian
[23:50] <ochosi> glade is quite helpful though
[23:50] <bluesabre> If we are using these components in xubuntu, somebody is using them in debian
[23:50] <Unit193> ochosi: I can more easily live with glade than introspection.
[23:50] <ochosi> hm, greping for :selected gives me about 150 lines in greybird... maybe it is do-able
[23:50] <Unit193> (So, WFM.)
[23:51] <Unit193> libxfce4util, libxfce4ui, garcon, exo(?), etc would all gather introspection delta. :3
[23:52] <bluesabre> Let's convince corsac to move with them
[23:52] <bluesabre> Why *not* include development ready libraries?
[23:53] <bluesabre> gotta run for real now
[23:53] <ochosi> yup, ttyl