[00:13] <ahoneybun> if I can
[00:13] <ahoneybun> If I can't be around for tsimonq2 's meeting it's a no from me
 Speaking of meetings: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2017-December/011497.html
[00:15] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: refering to your developer application
[00:16] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: I thought the KC as a whole got a half a vote, right?
[00:17] <ahoneybun> not sure
[00:17] <ahoneybun> just a no from me if it matters
[00:17] <ahoneybun> though we only have acheronuk currently
[00:17] <tsimonq2> Why "no"?
[00:18] <ahoneybun> Your very bad with what git access you have
[00:18] <ahoneybun> I don't trust you with even what you have, worse with more
[00:18] <tsimonq2> How so?
[00:18] <wxl> correct me if i'm wrong, but this is not about git access?
[00:19] <tsimonq2> And I already have some archive access
[00:19] <ahoneybun> How about the 3 times you did something bad to get it removed and then pushing another bad move
[00:19] <tsimonq2> That hasn't happened for... a year now?
[00:19] <tsimonq2> 9 months?
[00:19] <ahoneybun> wxl: it's all about access
[00:19] <wxl> ahoneybun: access to uploads, yes. not about git, though.
[00:19] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: Do you know the difference between MOTU and KD?
[00:20] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: yep
[00:20] <ahoneybun> it's bad enough you have MOTD tbh
[00:20] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: Then what is it?
[00:20] <ahoneybun> tbh I
[00:20] <ahoneybun> tbh I'm pissed with a lot of stuff that has been going on around here
[00:21] <ahoneybun> the disrepect I see in here between you and clivejo. It's just bad
[00:21] <tsimonq2> That's irrelevant in respect to technical merit.
[00:21] <valorie> since I've just sent you an email tsimonq2, I will refrain from commenting here
[00:22] <valorie> but I disagree that it has nothing to do with technical merit
[00:22] <tsimonq2> ack
[00:25] <ahoneybun> I'm a bit close to pulling out all my limited effort
[00:27] <valorie> :(
[00:27] <valorie> I hope you won't, ahoneybun
[00:27] <valorie> any hope of you coming to LFNW?
[00:28] <ahoneybun> I'm just getting tired of people doing f*cked up stuff to each other and the disrepect
[00:28] <ahoneybun> valorie: maybe not sure yet
[00:28] <ahoneybun> someone was talking about it here at the office
[00:28] <wxl> what other people are you referring to?
[00:28] <valorie> well, that is very true for me as well
[00:28] <ahoneybun> wxl: really want me to name them?
[00:28] <valorie> we're all worthy of respect
[00:29] <wxl> why not? if you're already airing your feelings you might as well put them all out on the table
[00:29] <valorie> and it just pains me to see people leave
[00:29] <ahoneybun> I've heard that people are aiming to remove membership of another member
[00:30] <valorie> what?
[00:31] <tsimonq2> I don't have anything against Clive, but I'll call stuff when I see it...
[00:31] <ahoneybun> I heard it was 2 people in here working on it. Not sure of the truth
[00:31] <ahoneybun> not talking about clive
[00:31] <tsimonq2> ...what?
[00:31] <tsimonq2> Tell me, am I involved in this at all?
[00:32] <valorie> Clive removed himself, unfortunately
[00:32] <ahoneybun> nope
[00:32] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: yep
[00:32] <valorie> I don't want to lost *any* members
[00:32] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: If you're going to say something, say it. Please, don't dance around it.
[00:32] <valorie> nor any developers
[00:33] <valorie> I don't want to lose any contributions
[00:33] <ahoneybun> I believe that you are working on removing santa's membership. You bad mouth something he does and then do the same thing
[00:34] <tsimonq2> That's simply not true.
[00:34] <valorie> I would never go along with such a thing
[00:35] <valorie> I've been urging him to get more involved *for years*
[00:35] <valorie> we can all get along and work together
[00:35] <ahoneybun> valorie: I know, did not say you were doing it at all
[00:36] <valorie> it just takes mutual respect and the decision to treat one another professionally No Matter What
[00:37] <ahoneybun> I believe that is not happening.
[00:39] <valorie> not enough, I agree
[00:39] <valorie> sometimes, but not all the time
[00:50] <valorie> this has actually been quite distressing, but it makes me determined to improve the situation if I can
[00:54] <wxl> nothing's going to get better if we run away from it
[00:56] <valorie> amen to that
[00:56] <wxl> change is uncomfortable and so is fighting for what is right, but if no one does it, it doesn't get better
[00:56] <valorie> which is why I don't want people to leave because they are unhappy
[00:57] <wxl> that said, i'm not sure you should hoist that particular burden on your shoulders, ahoneybun, but be patient while those that do (thank you valorie) make it happen
[00:57] <valorie> we need the criticism as well as the praise
[00:57] <wxl> has anyone here NOT seen the new star wars?
[00:57] <valorie> me
[00:57] <wxl> aw heck
[00:57] <valorie> :(
[00:57] <tsimonq2> wxl: Yes please don't spoil it
[00:57] <wxl> well, go see it. there's a certain jedi master that makes a comment along the lines of what valorie just said
[00:58] <tsimonq2> (I'm not ignoring y'all, I'm call screening for http://www.asknoahshow.com/ )
[00:59] <valorie> want to see it soon I do
[00:59] <wxl> yes, that one :)
[01:01] <wxl> one thing i do suggest is to watch the third of the first movies before seeing this one
[01:01] <valorie> interesting
[01:01] <valorie> I mean, I've seen them all, at least once
[01:01] <valorie> not clone wars or whatever
[01:01] <valorie> off to dinner
[01:01] <wxl> ta
[23:26] <valorie> ahoneybun: are you up for being the contact person on the website?
[23:26] <valorie> Michael Tunnel in -devel said: on the Contact page it says "For comments and other issues with this website contact Jonathan Riddell jriddell@ubuntu.com or Ovidiu-Florin BOGDAN ovidiu-florin@kubuntu.org"
[23:27] <valorie> jr is a bit outdated!
[23:27] <valorie> "he is also the English speaking press contact person on the page"
[23:27] <valorie> or we could ask Rick
[23:28] <wxl> why not just make it kc?
[23:34] <ahoneybun> Where?
[23:38] <valorie> oh, good idea
[23:38] <valorie> contact page, ahoneybun
[23:38] <wxl> yeah but someone still has to get the contact page XD