 @gab11010, uet another possibility is the cable, perhaps it is not in perfect shape. Try different one or at least once u connect keep it perfectly still and dont even blow at it. … I had one cable that was particularly problematic. I had similar problem and had to restart the installer multiple times until it finally went all thru.
 I give it a try, thaks Kris
 @Javacookies, @malditobastardo it soumds like the very same problem you reported earlier. The feature was already working back on canonical's image and now seems lile a regression.
 Any tips for moving TextSecure from one phone to another? Should it go, 1) Put in your number to the app on new phone to activate it and 2) Copy the message history database/misc files from the old phone? In which case, which files should be copied and where are they in the phone?
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/qLxC0ot8/file_2949.jpg I added swappiness editor into ATU. Default value is 60 on Ubuntu. Value 0 will save your internal memory because swap will be avoided unless absolutelyneccessary.
 https://sourceforge.net/projects/all-things-ubuntu-library/files/
 @KrisJacewicz, atu?
 @vanyasem, see the link
 ok
 @Xorpad, I suddenly saw this today: https://youtu.be/efJBkSj9koo
 Good morning guys :)
 I just discovered that my phone is a time machine :)
 (booted up in the 1971)
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/5 ?
[08:01] <tgBot> <蔡 荣诠> Hi
[08:01] <tgBot> <蔡 荣诠> 吃鸡吗？
 @Seumas, no, just copy /home/phablet in full from old to new phone
 You can also use my backup function in magic device tool for that. If I have time I will make a new one during christmas, which is easier to use ;)
 @蔡 荣诠, Englisch plz
 I see Contacts App crashing on start. Does anyone esle have this problem, or is it just me?
 @KrisJacewicz, Hello everyone. Yeah the touchscreen pad bug. https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/301
[09:00] <tgBot> <Owen Roe> How do I submit apps to the open store? I have created an app using the webapp creator and thought i might upload it, but what i found in the openstore app was a button that ultimately led to my github page in browser.
 https://open.uappexplorer.com/ has a "Submit" button at the top.
 That should give you instructions on how to submit, and a form to do so. You will need to log in first, though; logging in is done with the login link, and logs in either via Github or via Ubuntu (you can choose one). You use your existing account on one of those two services; you don't need to create a whole new account at the open store.
[09:10] <tgBot> <Owen Roe> Okay thanks. Perhaps i will try submitting on desktop. It seems like it ends up bouncing around different login pages on the phone (i had to log into github several times).
 ah, I've never tried it on the phone itself. If there's a problem with that, @bhdouglass would likely like to know about it, and possibly the phone's browser can be worked around.
 @Rawcode, 1971 is strange. Normally it is 1970. If you get 1969, someone is having a laugh…
 @docjuhnk, You are the second. In general seems to be working though
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/CEI1hHXS/file_2950.mp4
[09:44] <tgBot> <I Franci> Good morning! I was trying to use libertine trough adb but I get a 'failed getting release file http://ports... '
[09:44] <tgBot> <I Franci> What am I doing wrong?
 Remember that the ubuntu.com servers are dead and libertine is legacy
[09:48] <tgBot> <I Franci> Oh right
 I don't use libertine. Others here will be able to guide you better. Don't expect full functionality. 16.04 some if that will return
[09:51] <tgBot> <I Franci> Kk
[09:55] <tgBot> <I Franci> I was trying to install pidgin since loquiIm doesn't work (keep crashing). If someone can help I will be grateful :)
 @I Franci, https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/libertine.html
 About Loqui, probably you should prevent app suspension in ut tweak tool
 @I Franci, WhatsApp is aggressively proprietary. Don't expect anything to work, other than partially and temporarily
[10:00] <tgBot> <I Franci> @TronFortyTwo I got another problem. Keep getting decrypt error and getcontactserror
 @I Franci, Ubuntu moved ‘vivid’ release into the ‘old-release’ server. There is a workaround available on our forum ( https://forums.ubports.com/topic/792/libertine-installation-broken-on-vivid/3 ) … A patch for Libertine is in progress but I don’t know it’s current state ( @DanChapman  )
 @Flohack right but I've already started generating individual app histories for other programs on my MP5, so if it's possible to import specific things from the MX4 e.g. call history, SMS and TextSecure database that would be great.
 @Seumas, In general then its a subfolder in .config, .cache etc... look in all dot directories for the app specific data
 Excluded contacts and such, the are in a common evolution database
 Forgot the name ^^
[10:03] <tgBot> mickeywaley was added by: mickeywaley
 I Franci, I believe I was having the exact same problems as you around Weds/Thursday last week, but Rodney helped me fix them. It's about modifying the chroot container python file.
 Thanks Flo-rider ;)
 @sverzegnassi, The fix should have landed in the devel channel
 Cool! so is it going to be available with OTA-3, isn’t it?
 @I Franci, That is a known problem due to closed whatsapp protocol implementation
[10:10] <tgBot> <I Franci> @sverzegnassi thanks! I'll try
 @sverzegnassi, afaik it should. @neothethird can you confirm?
 @mickeywaley, Hello Mickey and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @TronFortyTwo, Will eat his battery
 @milkor73, When Loqui is opened yes
 @DanChapman, yes
 testers welcome, it should work on rc and devel
 👍 thanks
 Awesome!
 Note it only fixes the apt sources. I will get the latest and greatest libertine with it's new UI into xenial
 I'm reminded by OMGubuntu's 'year in review' article (http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/12/ubuntu-2017-in-12-images) that Canonical had planned for the move to 16.04 to also be a move from armhf to arm64.  … Is that still the plan?
[10:27] <tgBot> askme765cs was added by: askme765cs
 @DanChapman, Oh that's interesting - is there an updated version somewhere? Can we take a look at the repo or a writeup or anything?
 @askme765cs, Hello askme765cs and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @padraic7a, afaik ut xenial will be still armhf
 Ok. I had thought that Canonical were looking to change arm type to make the move to snaps easier.  … I guess for UBports the move to 16.04 is more about being on an LTS and just keeping up?
 And that snaps are a future issue?
 @padraic7a, A subject for debate still I think
 @padraic7a, github.com/ubports/libertine
 Thanks!
[10:49] <tgBot> <Hannes Lindner> I have a question: i am using the nexus 5 on stable. is there any workaround for the call volume bug: https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/137 ?
 You can change it during a call
[10:57] <tgBot> <Hannes Lindner> hmm using the buttons has no effect.
[10:57] <tgBot> <Hannes Lindner> i tried it with uvolman and it also had no effect on the volume
 @padraic7a, yes. Atm the future of snap on ut isn't defined. We'll see
 @TronFortyTwo, Ok, interesting, thanks for that.
 np
 Hi :) Yesterday my Nexus 5 with UT died, so I want to use the MX4 with UT from UBPorts. At the Moment there is the UT from Meizu and Canonical on it. My question is, how does the MX4 work with the actual version of UBPorts?
 @Ben, What happened ?
 @Hannes Lindner, Did you try first to sett with uVolume? During call does not work in any OS very well
 The Motherboard died, so there is no function anymore
 @Ben, Should work fine
 how old was your late Nexus 5? … now I'm worried, I just bought a 2nd hand one 😁
 I also bought it second hand 2 years ago.
 @Ben, I suggest you use Magic Device Tool
 I used both mdt and the installer from UBPorts.
 @Ben, I mean with the MX4
 @Ben, the MX4 works perfectly, just as (if not better) then the old canonical version
 @mariogrip, Ok thanks :)
 @Stereofont, I will look :) Maybe I will try it with the Installer :)
 And then with the mdt
 Does it run android now?
 No
 UT from Meizu
 ah ok :) then the switch should be simple
 the installer has a switch function, so it will save all data and apps
 @mariogrip, Ok very nice :)
 Thanks :)
 :)
 I have another question. Where can I get some ubports Stickers? :)
 @Ben, right now it's only https://www.patreon.com/ but we are planing a shop sometime later
 Ok at the moment I am a 20€ patreon
 @Ben, ah! could you send us a message there with your address and we will send some stickers to you right away :)
 @mariogrip, And liberapay 😂
 @Stereofont, And that :)
 @mariogrip, Ok thanks :)
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[12:11] <tgBot> Army King was added by: Army King
 Hi Army and welcome! Please go ahead and read https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome, then feel free to ask any questions, especially in the Newcomers Room. We're glad to have you here!
 Ah, I see you're coming from the chinese lang group? Then, welcome to the Supergroup 😄
 @Army King, welcome!
 @Army King, Welcome :)
 @蔡 荣诠, Here is a link to the Chinese group:  … Chinese - 这里有中文 https://t.me/UBports_Chinese
 @padraic7a, arm64 is not supported by all phones, so we could only do it as a second option. And currently we are totally swamped with the 32bit image, so we need more time for such keen ideas ;) - So yes, 16.04 is primarily needed to bring us back on supported LTS
 @Flohack, About this, i added arm64 support to the build server 2 days ago! https://github.com/ubports/build-tools/commit/b83a1d0182caad157da8f520899904d725806b86 but we need to update our jenkinsfiles on the different projects
 and amd64 so we can build unity8 for desktop
 cool
 @mariogrip, Very nice :)
 @mariogrip, Nice
 here is an examle i did with mir https://ci.ubports.com/blue/organizations/jenkins/ubports%2Fmir/detail/artful/7/pipeline
 @mariogrip, yay! :D
 (Sticker, 499x512) https://irc.ubports.com/0rTwImuB/file_2953.webp
 @popescu_sorin, Once i get some time i will try getting unity8 to work on artful :) (with qt 5.9) :D
 Are you already porting to artful for the time after xenial?
 or is that for the desktop only?
 yay! artful is like 17.10? can't remember :D
 i'm still using xenial
 @JBBgameich, this aint an LTS right?
 oh right, it's 17.10
 We will not go for non-LTS
 bionic is 18.04
 xenial 16.04
 It makes no sense to put so much pressure for no features
 Plus no unity8 inside
 We ned a good plan after 16.04 ^^
 bionic is a nice confusing name ... Android c lib and ubuntu at the same time
 who would compile a beaver anyway?
 hehe yeah :)
 @JBBgameich, it's just to get it to build, notthing more
 and maybe see if it works
 @Flohack, The UBports github account already looks like most packages including unity8 are already built by your ci
 but why that, is because that has no upstart, so it's a good target to test on
 @popescu_sorin, Jep
 Btw, I tried to fix hybris-boot + upstart https://github.com/Halium/hybris-boot/pull/21
 I haven't tested it, but it could work ...
 @JBBgameich, Well putting it into Jenkins and making a usable release are 2 different things. We need tons of QA to get unity8 running on 18.04 I assume
 Its already wonky in 16.04
 Thats why we need so much time to get forward with it, every major Ubuntu release has a potential to break the phone completly
 @Flohack, Yunit had it working on artful I think. The problem was that unity8 didn't like gcc7 that much Afaik
 @JBBgameich, humm are you sure /target/lib/systemd/systemd does not exist on a upstart system? sinc you can have systemd installer but use upstart (like ubuntu touch has)
 I can change the systemd test there ... Maybe init —version | grep systemd would work too
 is the systemd or only the libsystemd0 package installed in ubuntu touch
 @JBBgameich, belive that was Zesty
 @mariogrip, Oh, maybe I'm wrong
 problem with artful is there is no upstart
 (in the repos9
 and unity8 heavy uses upstart, even to start apps
 I'm currently building an Ubuntu touch image to check for the existence of /lib/systemd/system ...
 you can also just download the rootfs
 from ci
 or i can check it for you
 @JBBgameich, jep that's there
 @JBBgameich, both `/lib/systemd/system` and `/lib/systemd/systemd`
 maybe `if [ $(readlink $INIT) == /lib/systemd/systemd ]` would work
 ```phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ readlink /sbin/init … upstart```
 that's what it gives now
 it just says "upstart" no path or anyting
 oh ...
 I need to try on a systemd system
 on my debian it returns `/lib/systemd/systemd`
 ```mariogrip@mariogrip-laptop:~$ readlink /sbin/init  … /lib/systemd/systemd```
 yeah same for my laptop
 would using grep in the initrd work?
 if busybox has it yes
 i belive it has
 since i have been using grep in recovery before
 Ok, but it would work like I said above anyway, because we check if it's this systemd path, and if not, it doesn't matter anyway
[12:52] <tgBot> <Hannes Lindner> @milkor73, i don
 yeah
 Do you know if I should add the same check here https://github.com/Halium/hybris-boot/blob/master/init-script#L370 too?
 @JBBgameich, yeah probobly
 sorry to interrupt, so how about the doublet-tap-to-wake? that was just a tease? LOL
 @JBBgameich, but is it best to check if systemd is there, would it not be better to check if upstart is there that way it will always fallback to systemd and not to upstart
 well thinking about it, systemd will work anyway without —log thingy
 ^^
 Is `--log-target` needed for any debugging or really useless
 Just useless I suppose
 Nice, that makes the whole thing a lot easier :)
 (Sticker, 512x490) https://irc.ubports.com/EzObRwW5/file_2954
 😂
 I guess `--log-level=debug` does also not work with upstart?
 @JBBgameich also while you're at it please update commit message to include actual discussion and not the telegram group link..
 (what if telegram disappears etc etc)
 Ok, we had telegram outages yesterday, so let's better be careful :)
 I haven't had the time to touch the Upstart stuff again, unfortunately. It seems like there's another issue that prevents SSH from starting correctly on the second or later boot of the image.
 The pull request description already contains the important points, can you just use squash & merge to include it into the commmit message or should I really change the commit message?
 @UniversalSuperBox, I've theory btw... Let's talk about it later..
 You bet
 @JBBgameich, You have commit right.. just squash and merge it
 So authorship is not get lost
 Everything ok now? … https://github.com/Halium/hybris-boot/pull/21
 Ignore my comment... I didn't see commit message
 Just PR description
 @mariogrip, migration to systemd was nearly done in april, but also we were removing click support and migrating to snaps too. which is of course problematic for ubports
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/d0lSxxL6/file_2955.mp4
 That was a miss tap
 @UniversalSuperBox, eh
 not possible to automate click migration to snap regarding apps ?
 @dohbee, So what would be the best general approach in your opnion? try and re-integrate upstart or move all the unity8/app related jobs to systemd?
 Right now we're just carrying on using Upstart
 @lduboeuf, No, Snaps don't support all of the "outlets" that clicks did
 yet
 ok, i understand
 still interesting .. there is some sort of android bootloader support in snapd
 also simon fels did some experiments to get ubuntu core boot with snapd on mako but that does not address the above
 Ubuntu Touch on Ubuntu Core never happened, though
 So there's a lot of work there
 @matv1, upstart will be ok for 16.04, using some of the older code in the u8 stack. which will hold up until 2021 at least
 @anpok, there would be a lot bigger issues to address than just systemd, to move to ubuntu-core for primary rootfs, too
 snappy is really not good for phones at this point, anyway
 @anpok, Packaging all the kernels as snap would currently not make the life of the developers easier.
 @JBBgameich, i would disagree, but there are much bigger problems beyond that
 @dohbee, Do you think that is likely to change at all, or will it have to be UBports that create any changes?
 @padraic7a, i doubt it will change, given canonical having no more interest in it
 I thought moving to 16.04 was hard enough. All this stuff about changing architecture, changing init daemon, changing packaging, etc. reminds me of shooting the dragon in "Guards" Guards!"
 Sure, makes sense. so do you think the work done until April will essentially be lost?
 I don't think this discussion will immediately change anything in our short-term strategy, and I don't really see any harm in the long-term dreaming. :)
 no, the systemd stuff is very relevant
 Ok, that's all interesting to know.
 @alan_griffiths, Here at UBports we never say no to challenges :) But these are changes that need to happen at some point, upstart is forexample removed on next lts (bionic)
 but it's long-term things, but the faster it's fixed the more we can focuse on other thing
 Snappy is something to review in the future. Currently, the early adopters (including Mir) are still identifying issues that need to solved for everyone.
 @alan_griffiths, Yeah snappy proboly wont happen anytime soon for us, but snap apps might not be that far off
 system-image does work pretty well for us so far
 I'm trying to replace Canonical Ubuntu by UBports system on an E5 HD, but I can't boot in bootloader/fastboot mode by pressing Power & Volume + ... nothing seems to happen, the phone carry on starting as usual. Is there any detailed help about this ?
 @xdequinze, if you enable developer mode you can do `sudo adb reboot bootloader` from your laptop/desktop
 @xdequinze, also if you use the UBports installer, it will handle all the reboots needed
 @mariogrip, if you enable dev mode you can just flash and preserve data, without needing to go to fastboot
 @xdequinze, also for the bq devices, I belive you need to hold power and vol-up and vol-down
 Ok, I will try this now, thank you Marius
 And Rodney, better if can preserve data
 i think ubports installer can do that, right @mariogrip ?
 Yes, the ubports install will keep all data and apps
 Unless you click wipe :)
 (do NOT click wipe)
 The phone displays "=> FASTBOOT mode..." and the ubports installer seems to be running but with the message saying "Please connect your device with an usb cable"
 Have you already clicked on "Install" or is this the first screen?
 I clicked on Switch
 After the installer detecting the 15 system
 Hmm.
 Which version are you running? 0.1.9? Snap or AppImage?
 snap
 How much time does normally take the job ?
 Do you have ADB installed on that computer via the `android-tools-adb` package?
 I've found some really strange behavior of the installer and I don't know why it happens.
 I'll see
 But could I get you to download the AppImage from https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/releases and try to run through that?
 If it doesn't work, then run it from the terminal rather than double-clicking
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 For now, I see the following in the terminal : debug: correct password … debug: fastboot: wait for device … debug: Running platform tool exec asar cmd echo cornet199 | sudo -S fastboot devices
 I see that my pass is on ...
 Yeah, that's not great logging
 no ;-)
 Fastboot isn't finding the device even though it's in fastboot.
 Yeah, could you try the AppImage? At least it'll add some credibility to the bug report I'm going to put in
 I installed the package
 @UniversalSuperBox, Yep, then grab another installer binary
 I'm trying to reboot in bootloader mode as asked by the installer
 After rebooting : i see => FASTBOOT mode...
 Is there a difference between fastboot and bootloader mode ?
 Nope
 That's running the installer from the AppImage from the terminal?
 yes
 Hmm. Now why won't it detect that
 I'm in a different state
 @xdequinze, Could you do `fastboot devices` on the host?
[16:16] <CBugDCoder> I have a question I wont be getting a smartphone for a few years but when I do I would like to get a Ubuntu touch phone I live in the US will it be on US devices by 2020?
 The Nexus 5 works in the US
[16:18] <CBugDCoder> ok I looked and it said that it only works on AT&T and T-Mobile will that be expanded in the future or is it a hardware limitation?
 Sorry, It was not the AppImage installer.  I try to reboot for it now
 Rebooted but still not detected
 Hmm, let me explain. The installer won't detect my device in fastboot if I run the AppImage by double-clicking it. I have `adb` and `fastboot` installed on my host. If I run the AppImage from the terminal, installation runs normally
 Command fastboot device gives
 UA000237    fastboot
 fastboot devices
 Okay
 I'll try it again starting it from the terminal
 Waiting for device
 I see this error
 Which one?
 debug:  Error: Command failed: adb -P 5038 shell echo 1 … error: no devices/emulators found …     at ChildProcess.exithandler (child_process.js:217:12) …     at emitTwo (events.js:106:13) …     at ChildProcess.emit (events.js:194:7) …     at maybeClose (internal/child_process.js:899:16) …     at Socket.<anonymous> (internal/child_process.js:342:11) …     at emitOne (events.js:96:13) …     at Socket.emit (events.js:191:7) …     at
[16:28] <tgBot> _onclose] (net.js:510:12)
 I mean, what else does it say?
 And i have Android Debug Bridge version 1.0.36
 That's okay. Can you manually select your device?
 yes
 selected
 I'm invited to connect the device  with an usb cable
 at the bottom of the window
 Ubuntu 17.10?
 yes
 but ready to install at the top
 do I need 16.04 ?
 That's the thing, the installer should be agnostic
 I've got my 17.10 installation updating right now
[16:32] <tgBot> PalmCentro was added by: PalmCentro
 https://ubports.com/page/ubuntu-nexus-5
 Is it compatiable with the hammerhead?
 Yes, hammerhead is the Nexus 5
 Hello @PalmCentro and welcome.
 @UniversalSuperBox, There's two varients, just wanted to make sure.  … Thanks
 @Crash_Burn, Thanks
 Anyone using poeditor.com? I have problems getting all my organizations listed for selection.
 @nfsprodriver, UMatriks
 @LarreaMikel
 @milkor73 , @nfsprodriver is the owner of the uMatriks translation project.
 Aha
 Thx
 @wayneoutthere , I was wrong 😱
 (Photo, 1280x692) https://irc.ubports.com/p02s89aa/file_2957.jpg
 @CBugDCoder, 2020 is the deeeep future
 Is there anywhere the files that I can manually flash the files instead of using the installer?
 Some exciting news has been dropped again in the News Channel related to the OpenStore and Apps.  Click the following link to the UBports News Channel to subscribe now and get the hottest news in the community as it happens: https://t.me/ubports_news
 @PalmCentro, Hello Motty. Welcome! Check https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome … Not-a-bot™ Ask, chat, explore!
 @milkor73, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
 @milkor73, I will still defend you.
 @PalmCentro, Join the Welcome Room!
 @Stereofont, He's on Windows
 @UniversalSuperBox, Burn it down! LOL
 @UniversalSuperBox, He can still join the Welcome Room lol
 does that mean he's about to jump?
 No, it means that UDF won't work
 @Crash_Burn, Lol
 The windows app doesn't seem to work....
 @Stereofont, Where's that?
 @PalmCentro, Can you run it with admin privileges?
 @UniversalSuperBox, Doing it now
 We have the Welcome Room so that this room doesn't go into meltdown with install stuff. Link in the welcome link
 let's get a mob going.... … DOWN WITH WINDOWS!! … ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
 @wayneoutthere, nah
 yeah you're right
 borrrring
 nothing could excite me less
 Update: run the AppImage with `sudo` from the terminal on Ubuntu 17.10, it works much better.
 ok ... in the meantime, I tried the magic-device-tool which is working
 I'm waiting for the install to be finished
 A good choice
 Thanks a lot for your help
 The installer is defintely a beta product, but it's getting better all the time
 I'll try it next time with a new phone. I'm waiting for a new fairphone
 It seems to be working very well ... I'll be back soon ;-)
 Thank you
 No problem! You helped me get on the case to the workaround
 @UniversalSuperBox, it has worked well for me
[18:51] <tgBot> alan_morford was added by: alan_morford
 Hello. Anyone using a Nexus 5 with UT in the US? I have a question about uNav.
 @alan_morford, not any more, but i used to
 @alan_morford, I use it.. works well enough.
 I tested it against Wayz and my gps to see how it did.  I was impressed, I could probably use it on its own.
 @alan_morford, It uses IP data for an initial fix, then moves to GPS. If you are in an area not well mapped it will stall
 A database selector would be useful maybe
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/U1hBsZmf/file_2959.jpg
 I suppose the middle of Kansas is a not well mapped area.
 Thank you for the replies.
 Oh, that'd be a permission setting
 Are you on Ubports version
 yeah that's a local issue
 Let me boot this phone again...
 Thought so too but it's enabled.
 Fwd from UniversalSuperBox: To add, location data will only be as good as the Mozilla Location data around you.
 Fwd from UniversalSuperBox: To improve it, you can download and run the Mozilla Stumber app for Android.
 Did you give it permission in Settings > Security and Privacy > App Permissions > Location?
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/nFhQCa2j/file_2961.jpg
 Try outside first and wait a while
 No, permission denied is different
 Sounds crazy, but have you rebooted the device since you gave it permission?
 What version of UBports are you using?
 Yes I'm on ubports version. Installed last night.
 Stable, rc or devel?
 is your phone on the latest radio firmware?
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/z0UjIesC/file_2963.jpg
 @alan_morford, When it happens, just reboot should be fine
 Have you tested if it works for Weather?
 One at a time, folks
 It worked immediately for weather
 @UniversalSuperBox, hehehe :)
 I have rebooted but I can uninstall and reinstall and reboot if that'll help.
 Had you updated to the latest version of Android before installing Ubuntu Touch?
 No just a reboot should help
 I was on the last update sent to the nexus 5 before they eoled
 Okay, cool.
 OK I'll reboot
 Brb
 The creator of Unav is aware of such issue, according to him its related to the operating system itself. He suggested me to reboot before any trip with Unav ^^
 @Stereofont, Reboot phone, go outside ... run around your house three times, stand on your head, repeat after me... "I will do everything UBports tells me"  !!!  🤣
 Haha well the reboot worked great. Sigh. Next I'll reboot first and then ask questions...
 Yay!
 During the acquisition, lift the right arm and the left leg !
 I've had some great success with bluetooth testing today. Pebble watch works great, music streaming was perfect, and it connected fine with my car but wow was the audio distorted! It sounded like their voice was coming through a distortion pedal! What gives?
 <runs out to reboot car>
 Your bluetooth car has an issue, please buy another one.
 heheh.
 But seriously, we have a very old version of bluez. It's not great.
 I have also one question. I tried to print a photo at a shop machine connecting the phone with usb and MTP. No success. I had my phone with screen on , but did not interconnect. Any ideas
 Oneplus One?
 N5
 devel
 Hmm. In that case, I don't know
 @UniversalSuperBox, Depends of the phone. Nexus 4 with cannonical ut, it was possible to handle a call, with the n5 and ubports impossible.
 Many of my bluetooth issues are fixed on xenial, i can now forexample connect to my car with xenial :)
 With pc at home no problem
 @UniversalSuperBox, In order to get a decent support i think only the bluez shipped with ubuntu 17.10 is ok for public use. Not use how is easy to backport it to xenial.
 @milkor73, Most places you can upload online and collect. Not really your question though…
 Thanks Kévin. How about low call volume?
 @alan_morford, I think a bug fix is ongoing, but i don't have it on mine.
 @milkor73, don't plug your phone into public usb terminals? :)
 Alright thanks all.
 @mariogrip, Even with my desktop xenial i've some issue to connect my bluetooth speaker. I could only do it by cli; bluetoothclt. It went straight forward under 17.10.
 @Stereofont, Yes, it was to print in that moment, not with internet uploads.
 @dohbee, That is also very good point, you are right
 @milkor73, Upload it to their web standing in their shop 😂
 @Ern_st, did you try the xenial-backports repo?
 @mariogrip, and/or xenial-updates
 seems to be a bluez in xenial-updates https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial-updates/bluez
 Another evidence we, me have to keep learning to use our smartphones safely
 On my desktop yes. Seems that cannonical focus on bluetooth during the 17.10 to be more userfriendly.
 @mariogrip, i've been good connected to my earpiece bluetooth thing with N4 for a long time now.  The hangup button doesn't work but calls work enough to not get a ticket for distracted driving.  that's illegal in Canada. What's up with that?  When i was a kid I used to use my laptop, ham radio, and texting while drinking coffee and eating a muffin - and no one ever complained!
 Now I can't even hold a phone up to my ear and chat while driving.
 On xenial via the gui i can pair the bluetoot h speaker but not connect it, i need to follow a procedure through bluetoothcl to pair & connect
 Where is the best place to chat about folks preferred paps for UT?
 Apps
 Here or at OpenStore group
 The canonical veraion of the twitter webapp seems to be the only one that notifies. True for everyone? No client like telegram to speak of for twitter?
[19:38] <tgBot> <Miguel Gutiérrez> (Voice, 1s)https://irc.ubports.com/y8yddsb0/file_2964
 https://open.uappexplorer.com/login
 @alan_morford, correct. twitter notifications are done via polling. best to turn it off anyway, to save battery
 Fair enough
 push notifications would require twitter to implement stuff on their server
 so far only telegram was willing to do that :-/
 And it works well it seems. Even though the odd old message notifies from time to time it seems.
 @alan_morford, In order to get instant push notifications for a service, that service has to cooperate; that is, Twitter would have to explicitly support ubports, and they do not. However, you can work around this in a couple of ways. One is to have the service send you email on new messages, if they're prepared to do that; you'll then get an email notification at least, which is better than nothing. A second, which is a bit more shonky but 
[19:42] <tgBot> help, is to use IFTTT to get notifications from the service (if IFTTT supports it) and then send those messages as push notifications to your phone via Caxton. (This is a bit more technical to do.)
 @milkor73, +1 convenience v. security
 @stuartlangridge, but your e-mail server would need to support push on ubuntu too
 perhaps, yeah. Or perhaps you've already got Dekko polling (which it can do efficiently with IMAP IDLE, I believe). Or you use ifttt and caxton to push your emails 😊
 so then you're back to polling gmail, or you run your own mail server and implement push notifications
 well IDLE doesn't work when the app is stopped :)
 sure, if you have another machine you want to leave a browser running on all the time
 @Ern_st, I can plug a cable to my car speakers 😂
 @Stereofont, I just bought one of these at the store today... no kidding! :)
 I tried using the gmail webapp on iOS, a while ago (this is before there was web push, although now that there is, Ubuntu (and iOS) still don't support it). I used Boxcar — external service — to poll my email and send me iOS push notifications. IFTTT+Caxton can do the same thing on Ubuntu phones, although the procedure is clunkier than I'd like.
 @stuartlangridge, I was looking at how to implement web push a few weeks ago, but it's kind of an awful mess
 it requires a lot of stuff that the Ubuntu browser doesn't do
 well, even if the ubuntu browser did do it, having the browser running constantly to be able to get push notifications, is a bit much
 Making the browser be an excellent modern browser would solve quite a few issues, as more places adopt PWAs (Twitter does push notifications to the web now, for example) but that's a lot of work, which the resources are just not there for.
 One doesn't keep the whole browser running. Just something akin to the ubuntu push helper. (And in fact it might even be doable by the Ubuntu push helper, if the ubports push server became web push compliant.)
 it would be a reasonably large, but not insurmountable, amount of work to actually do the push stuff. The bigger issue is providing support for it in the browser object model, which is more dificult if you're not a browser engineer.
 @stuartlangridge, one does keep the browser running, because of XSS, and that's exactly how web push works in chromium/firefox.
 nah. Chrome runs the chrome core process so that push notifications work, but you don't need any windows open. And that's only on desktop; it doesn't need to be running at all on Android.
 and because of confined webapps, on ubports, you'd need N instances continuing to run
 naw. The push client is privileged. It can take care of receiving for all web apps and then dispatch only to the relevant one, starting that one if need be.
 how?
 you'd have to reimplmeent service worker support in chromium, afaict
 which is easier if you can type and spell correctly
 yup.
 but still, by no means easy to do. plus the matter of getting rid of oxide in webbrowser-app i guess
 That's why I said "The bigger issue is providing support for it in the browser object model" :)
 I don't know if SW support is in modern Chromium Embedded Framework, whcih is what Oxide is based on.
 well, so is brave, right?
 well oxide needs to go away anyway
 and get replaced by qtwebengine or something
 that'll be a very unfun project for somebody :)
 well, less so than updating oxide to latest chromium
 @Miguel Gutiérrez, you pocketed us!
 who made that term.. 'pocketed'? Was that @dohbee ?  I like...
 i don't recall
 Document Viewer by Stefano Verzegnassi doesn't really offer any more functionality than Beru, Libreoffice Writer, Gedit and Document Viewer aka EVINCE (desktop program which seems independent from it's click namesake), right? Uninstalling it would be good for saving storage.
 do you mean the core app that's installed by default?
 Document Viewer can view quite a few formats by itself that the others either can't, or can only do when all installed in concert.
 it can do odt
 removing things that are installed by default doesn't save any disk space
 I don't think it's a core app as it isn't on my Pro 5 and I don't remember uninstalling it on that device.
 Stuart, such as which formats?
 it's the core app
 Why isn't it on the MP5 then?
 all core apps aren't installed by default
 rather, it seems to be a fork of the fork of the core app
 "core apps" here means the core set of apps that was developed for the phone by ubuntu devs
 like clock/calendar/terminal/filemanager/docviewer/browser
 Right, but wouldn't uninstalling it clear it's cache at least?
 no
 i don't think uninstalling removes app data in ~
 at least, it didn't used to, and generally should not
 if the app is installed by default though, then it's in a readonly part of the system, so uninstalling the app will hide it from view, but not delete the files
 Back to the drawing board then. I just can't figure out why running a video from the SD card in VLC clogged up the main storage.
 no idea about vlc
 If it was opened via content-hub, it's because every file gets copied before opening
 yeah there is that
 So how do I find that copied file and purge it?
 i don't recall if it copies to cache or data dir
 @UniversalSuperBox?
 but `du -sh` would help pinpoint i guess
 Honestly I have no idea
 ie `du -sh ~/.local/share/`
 For all we know there might be many copied files and my actual storage is much greater than the nominal readout.
 vs `du -sh ~/.cache/*vlc*`
 Ok I'll give that a whirl
 Also if there was a setting to help clear these files automatically after time = X, that would help especially for novice users (I'm not one though :P).
 well really, content-hub should just not do that
 The copy behaviour you mean?
 yes, unless it's absolutely necessary to do so, that shouldn't happen
 but alas
 @Seumas, As far as I'm aware: PDF, Word .doc, Word .docx, text, LibreOffice presentations, PowerPoint... basically, anythnig that LibreOffice can open, the document viewer can, I believe.
 Something to fix or otherwise investigate with critical priority after OTA3 then.
 along with all the other critical priority things
 In the original Ubuntu Touch design, removing an app also removed any storage, and what you're describing is exactly the reason why — that it's basically the only way for non-technie people to "clear the cache" of an app's files. However, lots of techie people hate this idea, so there was always a big tension between the two approaches, and I'm honestly not sure either what Ubuntu Touch actually ended up doing, nor whether Ubports has chan
[20:24] <tgBot> decision.
 @stuartlangridge, it never actually did this.
 cache is one thing and generally ok to delete
 however, actual data is not ok to delete
 if you uninstall the camera app, would you expect all your photos to now be gone too?
 that's why you can't uninstall the camera app 😉
 But I certainly accept there's an argument there
 there are more than one camera app
 However, if you uninstall an app, would you expect that a bunch of stuff you downloaded with it still takes up loads of space on your disk and which you have no sensible way of deleting?
 there are arguments both sides, here.
 also, i'm pretty sure camera is uninstallable
 https://open.uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.camera
 @stuartlangridge, yes, if that data was created of my will
 afaik, we never actually shipped any clicks that were flagged removable=false
 loving that new Open Store web design, eh???
 no
 no.
 i searched for "camera" and it said "no results" and immediately sent me back to the front page
 oh, that part
 ok forget about that
 the rest!
 i only found the camera app by noticing it in the massive sea of icons
 sweet. then it worked
 worked as well as cement shoes
 besides we all download and install 100% of the apps so who cares if it's searchable???
 Do you like my joking question marks????? … or do they bug you????
 Interesting points.
 phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ sudo du -sh ~/.local/share/ … [sudo] password for phablet:  … 1.6G    /home/phablet/.local/share/
 you don't need to run that with sudo
 use `~/.local/share/*` to see where all the data is
 Decided to because the non-root command didn't have permission to look in the libertine-container.
 that's in ~/.cache/ though
 which is why i put the "*vlc*" in the example command
 so you wouldn't waste time having the thing try to read the container
 oh wait
 are you running vlc via libertine?
 Yes I am.
 oh
 then yeah i think content-hub has to copy the data
 Right because when I tried your du -ssh ~/.cache/*vlc*, No such file or directory.
 yeah, i thought there was a vlc app in open store maybe, and that's what you meant
 Oh hell no, if only, then we might have been able to circumvent the whole vlc-plugin-sdl workaround to actually run video on the desktop.
 *run video in the desktop app
 But ok. What should my next steps be?
 actually, what is the appid for vlc? `ubuntu-app-launch-appids` should show it, and you can grep for your container name in the output to limit the results
 What should the command be, ubuntu-app-launch-appids grep | vivid?
 | grep vivid
 Gotcha.
 Output is vivid_vlc_0.0
 ok, `du -sh ~/.local/share/*vlc*` then
 should give a result
 likely, that is where the files are copied to
 Is Dekko still the best email client? Doesn't seem to notify.
 Output only prints a listing for vlc-control, a remote control app for VLC on desktops/laptops.
 oh, hmm
 Can we just search for .mp4 files in the internal storage and that'll give the answer?
 Tbh I thought Gallery might show the clone(s), but that's probably only for vids run via the default Media Player.
 @alan_morford, are you using dekko2?
 that one is able to do notify
[21:00] <tgBot> <Miguel Gutiérrez> @wayneoutthere, hahahaha, sorry. It was my son.
 @Seumas, right, gallery doesn't know about things that aren't in the mediascanner db, and i don't recall what all it's looking at exactly
 Aha, ran find . -type f -name "*.txt"
 And we have a hit under ./.cache/vivid/HubIncoming/1/
 ah
 Or rather *.mp4
 Ok, removed a.mp4, a .mov, a .wav, all hefty, System Settings->Storage now says back to 1.4GB.
 Phew!
 Ah I wasn't because the description of the app makes it sound pretty alpha
 I'll give it a try
 Oh does UT recognize LTE or only show 4G instead?
 4g is lte
 The apn settings confused me as it seems there's a way to set separate apns for LET and internet+mms
 Lte
 So is this redundant ?
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/gAAWWrhs/file_2966.jpg
 i don't know about the APN settings
 4g and lte is a lovely confusing mess of marketing hype
 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=4g+vs+lte&t=hf&ia=web
 By removing several copied media files in this fashion, I'm now down to a respectable 2.1GB free. Could I ask that this fix procedure be placed on the ubports wiki or some other documentation? So people know for future.
 well, it's a wiki, so i presume you could add it :)
 you could probably ask a question on askubuntu, and answer it, too
 Ok. When I get round to it. Just not sure where to put it exactly.
 yeah, i don't know either
 Dekko 2 looks nice. I had to trick it to get the keyboard to show up. Now I cant get it to show to draft an email. Bummer. What do you all use for email?
 Would be a good FAQ, "My system storage is rapidly filling up and IDK why?" "Oh well it's probably..."
 @Seumas, LOL... noted... and added :)
 If not sarcasm, wunderbar, but it's sarcasm innit :*\
 faq everything!
 Also as I alluded to yesterday, tests suggest that copying the file to /tmp/ will avoid these phantom copies, so is a good solution if you aren't running lots of other memory processes and the file you paste doesn't itself break the limits of your RAM.
 One question is the installer working for "grouper"
 ?
 no
 That is Nexus 7 wifi
 grouper is not supported
 it is nexus 7 2012
 damn it that is sad
 thank you @dohbee
 np
 @Seumas, Its great but still I need a proper PDF viewer for UT
 I often receive PDF with password that doesnt work in my phone
 or when I try to view a PDF file its just so slow
 sounds like a missing feature in docviewer
 Beru?
 Beru is only an ePub reader
 Ah.
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 @stuartlangridge Hi Stuart, I am back with some feedback regarding WIFITransfer, unfortunately I cannot connect, another problem is the size of provided connection details, to small. I can see in file manager Wifitransfer,when I click on to open after some time announces impossible to acces due to long time without any activity. Sending images bellow.
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/DInl2XH5/file_2972.jpg
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/Faw1s2nE/file_2975.jpg
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/uH0PHXGL/file_2976.jpg
 I noticed myself that the details are rather small...
 I tried also with Filezila, but also without any succes
 I remember it worked very well in the past
 Sorry for not coming with feedback already yesterday, I forgott
 Question: are you a developer?
 no, I am just welcomer,and user
 @Crash_Burn, Thanks! List stumbled into this supergroup following a link in the other UBports telegram group...
 No problem... feel free to stick around.  This is the "main" UBports Telegram group (english).
 @milkor73, Ok. Ignore the automatically visible “WifiTransfer on Ubuntu Phone” option. Instead, set WifiTransfer to “File Mgr”, and then try (your translation of) “Connect to Server” in your file manager on your desktop, and add the details that WFT suggests?
 Although I think this is a bug and my fault, not yours...just that if I’m right it will be hard to fix.
 My laptop lost now the Wifi, fixing and will try again with connect to server
 @alan_morford, I have the same problems, that the keyboard isnt showing up. I use the dekko 1 @alan_morford
 Who do I have to ask nicely to have Ubports phones advertise their name on zeroconf, as Ubuntu desktops do? :)
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/VqQ7H6R8/file_2978.jpg
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/NJ0b0txb/file_2980.jpg
 No success, clicking on: connect, the window disappears and I see only white screen
 samba 😆
 i wasted 3 hours configuring it yesterday at work
 You gained 3 hours of experience with Samba yesterday at work
 I had no idea why didn't it work and then I had no idea why it did
 @Flohack when i send a image with telegram and changing from gsm to wifi while uploading, a restart of tg and deleting the image messages is necessary to get it working again
 To send images :)
 @nanu_c, Yes its known bug already ^^
 Also attachments will fail like this, also downloads are only partial then
 and uploads never finish
 @milkor73, Gosh darn it. Ok. I’m not sure how best to fix this, I’m afraid, because it’s hard to tell exactly what the issue is.  Perhaps you can tell me your computer’s IP address? It can be found in the Network menu on Ubuntu, in “connection info”.
 @stuartlangridge, 10.0.1.16
 Could it affect my connection is 5Ghz?
 @milkor73, Ok. My theory about why it’s not working is disproved. It shouldn’t matter which wireless speed you’re using. I’m afraid I don’t know what the fix is, and my apologies for that. I’ll have a think and see what I can come up with for solutions. Again, sorry.
 OK, no hurry and neither apologies, would be nice somebody else here would also try to be sure it is not something weird on my laptop
 @nanu_c, Yeah I have to trick it by going to a different app and bringing up the keyboard and then going back to dekko 2.